Author Topic: Goncalo Amaral.  (Read 406935 times)

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Offline Brietta

Re: Goncalo Amaral.
« Reply #1845 on: July 20, 2020, 04:08:19 PM »
What if it turns out that Brueckner could have had a hand in the disappearance of Joanna Cipriano.

The poop really will hit the fan.

They never had a shred of forensic evidence that proved anything.  Particularly anything that proved Joana was dead.

But they still went after her mother.

I think the only way Brueckner could be implicated is if he confesses and tells either who he sold her to or reveals where her body is.
I don't think they bothered to do anything like a cell tower dump when Joana disappeared ... even if they knew what that is.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Brietta

Re: Goncalo Amaral.
« Reply #1846 on: July 20, 2020, 04:20:14 PM »
Despite the fact that Rebelo was coordinator for eight months as opposed to Amaral's five months he receives virtually no criticism. Nor does Encarnacao, Amaral's superior, who requested Harrison's help and agreed to employ Martin Grime. Nor does the Prosecutor who directed the investigation.

Amaral certainly didn't have carte blanche to do as he liked. Could it be that Amaral is being scapegoated by all and sundry because he wrote a book describing his period of the investigation and his theories?

Rebelo spent much of his time clearing up the mess left behind by Amaral and trying to put it into some kind of order before going over the 'information' featuring the McCanns and Murat ... what possible time did he have to deviate from that path?

Amaral was a liar and an incompetent whose insistence on his thesis ruined any chance for Madeleine's case to be investigated properly.

If it had been properly investigated we would have heard about Brueckner many years before we actually did ... courtesy of Amaral, the man himself.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Brietta

Re: Goncalo Amaral.
« Reply #1847 on: July 20, 2020, 04:26:13 PM »
I think there is no doubt that at all.

The last decade would have been very different for the McCanns if Amaral had kept his mouth shut.

The last thirteen years might have been very different for Madeleine McCann had the police bothered to check their files against cell tower dumps around Luz.
I don't know exactly how the life of a missing child pans out against the opportunity of the senior investigating officer in her case making a living out of the failure to find her.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Brietta

Re: Goncalo Amaral.
« Reply #1848 on: July 20, 2020, 04:29:54 PM »
And for us. I think they had ambitions which were thwarted by their unpopularity.

Please explain that opinion in words of one syllable ... your meaning is in my opinion either obscure or libellous and I would like to think I am wrong about the libel bit.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline jassi

Re: Goncalo Amaral.
« Reply #1849 on: July 20, 2020, 04:33:26 PM »
The last thirteen years might have been very different for Madeleine McCann had the police bothered to check their files against cell tower dumps around Luz.
I don't know exactly how the life of a missing child pans out against the opportunity of the senior investigating officer in her case making a living out of the failure to find her.


All far too late for her  by then.  IMO
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Eleanor

Re: Goncalo Amaral.
« Reply #1850 on: July 20, 2020, 04:33:36 PM »
The last thirteen years might have been very different for Madeleine McCann had the police bothered to check their files against cell tower dumps around Luz.
I don't know exactly how the life of a missing child pans out against the opportunity of the senior investigating officer in her case making a living out of the failure to find her.

Might they not still have these telephone records?  They've got them for 2007.

Offline Brietta

Re: Goncalo Amaral.
« Reply #1851 on: July 20, 2020, 04:58:09 PM »
Might they not still have these telephone records?  They've got them for 2007.

I don't know exactly how it works, Eleanor.  I know that British specialists asked for the dump to be made shortly after Madeleine's disappearance.

I don't know if the phone companies would have kept it all as a matter of course or even if they do today without being asked or without a court order.
There is a chance they might have ... if it is at all possible, I bet the Germans might have already checked it out with the Judicial Police.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Brietta

Re: Goncalo Amaral.
« Reply #1852 on: July 20, 2020, 04:59:16 PM »

All far too late for her  by then.  IMO

You do not know that.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline kizzy

Re: Goncalo Amaral.
« Reply #1853 on: July 20, 2020, 05:08:21 PM »
The last thirteen years might have been very different for Madeleine McCann had the police bothered to check their files against cell tower dumps around Luz.
I don't know exactly how the life of a missing child pans out against the opportunity of the senior investigating officer in her case making a living out of the failure to find her.

Who  ..the Germans


The German L.E. made a mistake in 2013 and tipped off Bruckner into the fact they were investigating the mcc case.

 He has never been questioned because in Germany you can refuse police questioning.

 Of course the prosecutor wants to wrap up the case now because they took a risk and launched such a public appeal, time is ticking with the world watching.

IMO it was a strategy to correct their 2013 mistake. If they appeal for info they can at least argue they did all to investigate CB.

I believe the German Prosecutor is thinking about his office/job/ country first and not about solving the mcc case

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Goncalo Amaral.
« Reply #1854 on: July 20, 2020, 05:21:55 PM »
Who  ..the Germans


The German L.E. made a mistake in 2013 and tipped off Bruckner into the fact they were investigating the mcc case.

 He has never been questioned because in Germany you can refuse police questioning.

 Of course the prosecutor wants to wrap up the case now because they took a risk and launched such a public appeal, time is ticking with the world watching.

IMO it was a strategy to correct their 2013 mistake. If they appeal for info they can at least argue they did all to investigate CB.

I believe the German Prosecutor is thinking about his office/job/ country first and not about solving the mcc case

You don't seem to know what you are talking about...a suspect can refuse to answer questions in most countries.
Certainly UK and Portugal and many many more....the rest is just more sceptic speculation. We will know more when we find out... hopefully...what evidence the Germans have




Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Goncalo Amaral.
« Reply #1855 on: July 20, 2020, 05:27:08 PM »
And for us. I think they had ambitions which were thwarted by their unpopularity.
Ambitions such as what? 
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Goncalo Amaral.
« Reply #1856 on: July 20, 2020, 05:29:53 PM »
Despite the fact that Rebelo was coordinator for eight months as opposed to Amaral's five months he receives virtually no criticism. Nor does Encarnacao, Amaral's superior, who requested Harrison's help and agreed to employ Martin Grime. Nor does the Prosecutor who directed the investigation.

Amaral certainly didn't have carte blanche to do as he liked. Could it be that Amaral is being scapegoated by all and sundry because he wrote a book describing his period of the investigation and his theories?
I can respect Rebelo even if I don’t agree with him - at least he was discreet and not an egotist who,wanted to be seen as the world’s leading autnority on the guilt of the McCanns and get rich in the process.
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Goncalo Amaral.
« Reply #1857 on: July 20, 2020, 05:30:53 PM »
Please explain that opinion in words of one syllable ... your meaning is in my opinion either obscure or libellous and I would like to think I am wrong about the libel bit.
I doubt we’ll get an explanation.
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline G-Unit

Re: Goncalo Amaral.
« Reply #1858 on: July 20, 2020, 09:34:51 PM »
Please explain that opinion in words of one syllable ... your meaning is in my opinion either obscure or libellous and I would like to think I am wrong about the libel bit.

My opinion? Kate McCann stated her intentions for her future quite clearly, and it didn't include being a medical worker, whatever that is.

Kate launched into her role as an ambassador for a variety of kids' charities last week, attending a lunch for Missing Children Europe.

Her focus will also include continuing her push for tougher laws across the continent to protect the young from paedophiles...

Last night Kate's mum Susan Healey, 61, said her daughter has no intention of returning to work as a GP. She said: "It is definite now. One of her main goals in life is to work with children and assist with child safety."

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/kate-quits-as-gp-to-work-for-kids-1649946

Gerry McCann became involved in Hacked Off, and gave speeches and interviews on the subject but not any more, although they haven't achieved their goals.

In my opinion they weren't able to continue to campaign publicly for the causes they got involved with because their unpopularity made their involvement unhelpful.

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Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Goncalo Amaral.
« Reply #1859 on: July 20, 2020, 10:29:25 PM »
My opinion? Kate McCann stated her intentions for her future quite clearly, and it didn't include being a medical worker, whatever that is.

Kate launched into her role as an ambassador for a variety of kids' charities last week, attending a lunch for Missing Children Europe.

Her focus will also include continuing her push for tougher laws across the continent to protect the young from paedophiles...

Last night Kate's mum Susan Healey, 61, said her daughter has no intention of returning to work as a GP. She said: "It is definite now. One of her main goals in life is to work with children and assist with child safety."

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/kate-quits-as-gp-to-work-for-kids-1649946

Gerry McCann became involved in Hacked Off, and gave speeches and interviews on the subject but not any more, although they haven't achieved their goals.

In my opinion they weren't able to continue to campaign publicly for the causes they got involved with because their unpopularity made their involvement unhelpful.
Kate is still an ambassador of Missing People alongside a bunch of other high profile people, none of whom appear to be massively active on the subject of Missing People https://www.missingpeople.org.uk/about-us/who-we-are/our-ambassadors.html
As far as I’m aware no one has made any speeches wrt to Hacked Off for some years and Gerry is pursuing his ambition of being a highly respected leading expert in cardiology which his alleged huge unpopularity and status as one time suspect in his daughter’s disappearance does not seem to have hindered.  IMO your post was just mean-spirited bitching.
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly