Goncalo Amaral.

[G-Unit]

If you cannot recognise that Amaral is root and branch of the mismanagement which turned what was really a simple abduction case into one of the mysteries of the century - I think you require to give some pertinent thought to the matter in hand.

Hurling insults at me simply won't suffice.  It begins with Amaral and his conduct.  And now after recent events I am not at all sure it may not end with him too.


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In an effort to make up for lost time following Amaral's dismissal, Rebelo has recruited his own men from Lisbon. To the fury of the original officers, he has lost little time in sidelining them, bringing in two child sex experts from the Casa Pia case as well as homicide specialists and computer analysts - known as "the cleaners" due to their reputation for leaving no stone unturned.

According to senior police sources, he also launched a furious private attack on the 100 officers involved in the original inquiry, which he has now cut back to 40.

At a meeting, he accused some officers of having "closed minds" about who was guilty, saying that "pre-conceptions should be challenged".

In addition, he oversaw Operation Predator - raids on more than 70 suspected paedophiles, whose computers were searched last week for images of Madeleine or other evidence of criminal sexual acts. Although by last night Rebelo had failed to make a breakthrough, sources say it is a clear sign, along with reports that Russian child traffickers may be involved, of a strand of his current thinking.
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So, after enduring months of soul-destroying leaks from the Portuguese police - from claims that they drugged Madeleine and then disposed of her body, to allegations that Gerry was not even her real father - the McCanns are no longer the sole focus of the Portuguese police investigation.

But the nightmare goes on. A group of officers loyal to Amaral are still leaking smears to the Portuguese press.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-488654/Why-Portugal-haven-paedophiles--disturbing-backcloth-Madeleine-case.html


So on takeover from disgraced Amaral, Rebelo moved the focus of Madeleine's case to take in the wider picture. 

The shocking thing about this is the illustration of Amaral's neglect.

It had to wait for Rebelo to check out the obvious when investigating an abducted child  "... he oversaw Operation Predator - raids on more than 70 suspected paedophiles, whose computers were searched last week for images of Madeleine or other evidence of criminal sexual acts." Quite obviously Amaral just hadn't bothered!

There is nothing in the PJ files suggesting that Rebelo took the investigation in a different direction. Nor that any computers were searched.

[Eleanor]

I think Madeleine's case was played against the backdrop of Casa Pia and I don't think it is any coincidence that missing Joana's case and missing Madeleine's case had at their head the same three police officers.

But why the same three Police Officers?  All of whom have since been discredited in various ways.  Something is rotten in The State of Denmark.

I would so like to think that this was just a mistake, but I am finding it increasingly hard.  So how can The Sceptics go on supporting such incompetence?

[kizzy]

If you cannot recognise that Amaral is root and branch of the mismanagement which turned what was really a simple abduction case into one of the mysteries of the century - I think you require to give some pertinent thought to the matter in hand.

Hurling insults at me simply won't suffice.  It begins with Amaral and his conduct.  And now after recent events I am not at all sure it may not end with him too.


Snip
In an effort to make up for lost time following Amaral's dismissal, Rebelo has recruited his own men from Lisbon. To the fury of the original officers, he has lost little time in sidelining them, bringing in two child sex experts from the Casa Pia case as well as homicide specialists and computer analysts - known as "the cleaners" due to their reputation for leaving no stone unturned.

According to senior police sources, he also launched a furious private attack on the 100 officers involved in the original inquiry, which he has now cut back to 40.

At a meeting, he accused some officers of having "closed minds" about who was guilty, saying that "pre-conceptions should be challenged".

In addition, he oversaw Operation Predator - raids on more than 70 suspected paedophiles, whose computers were searched last week for images of Madeleine or other evidence of criminal sexual acts. Although by last night Rebelo had failed to make a breakthrough, sources say it is a clear sign, along with reports that Russian child traffickers may be involved, of a strand of his current thinking.
___________________________________________________________

So, after enduring months of soul-destroying leaks from the Portuguese police - from claims that they drugged Madeleine and then disposed of her body, to allegations that Gerry was not even her real father - the McCanns are no longer the sole focus of the Portuguese police investigation.

But the nightmare goes on. A group of officers loyal to Amaral are still leaking smears to the Portuguese press.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-488654/Why-Portugal-haven-paedophiles--disturbing-backcloth-Madeleine-case.html


So on takeover from disgraced Amaral, Rebelo moved the focus of Madeleine's case to take in the wider picture. 

The shocking thing about this is the illustration of Amaral's neglect.

It had to wait for Rebelo to check out the obvious when investigating an abducted child  "... he oversaw Operation Predator - raids on more than 70 suspected paedophiles, whose computers were searched last week for images of Madeleine or other evidence of criminal sexual acts." Quite obviously Amaral just hadn't bothered!

If you cannot recognise that Amaral is root and branch of the mismanagement which turned what was really a simple abduction case into one of the mysteries of the century - I think you require to give some pertinent thought to the matter in hand.


You won't be surprised by my reply.

The root and the mismanagement.... was the mccs leaving babies on their own in an unlocked room as for abduction no evidence of that.

Crime scene messup up with 20 + people been allowed in by the mccs

G.A. was not a one-man band.

As for insulting you   ...you would soon know if I was.... believe me.

But I don't take your post seriously enough to do that.

[Wonderfulspam]

"If you cannot recognise that Amaral is root and branch of the mismanagement which turned what was really a simple abduction case into one of the mysteries of the century - I think you require to give some pertinent thought to the matter in hand."


You won't be surprised by my reply.

The root and the mismanagement.... was the mccs leaving babies on their own in an unlocked room as for abduction no evidence of that.

Crime scene messup up with 20 + people been allowed in by the mccs

G.A. was not a one-man band.

As for insulting you   ...you would soon know if I was.... believe me.

But I don't take your post seriously enough to do that.

I've asked Brietta before quite how it is she knows Madeleine was abducted. She states it as a fact al the time, but she never explains how she knows it to be a fact?

Could you try asking her how she knows the McCanns are innocent? Maybe she'll give you an answer, because I've never had one.

[Brietta]

There is nothing in the PJ files suggesting that Rebelo took the investigation in a different direction. Nor that any computers were searched.

Neither is there anything in the Levy files pertaining to Brueckner but we know the information is there.

[kizzy]

I've asked Brietta before quite how it is she knows Madeleine was abducted. She states it as a fact al the time, but she never explains how she knows it to be a fact?

Could you try asking her how she knows the McCanns are innocent? Maybe she'll give you an answer, because I've never had one.

No, he/she won't because it isn't fact only opinion.

[Brietta]

But why the same three Police Officers?  All of whom have since been discredited in various ways.  Something is rotten in The State of Denmark.

I would so like to think that this was just a mistake, but I am finding it increasingly hard.  So how can The Sceptics go on supporting such incompetence?

By the time of Madeleine's disappearance Cristovao had already been dismissed.  But he maintained his influence over her case by means of a daily column fed by "sources close to the investigation" which kept the pot boiling under many of the lies and myths which polluted the media.

[Brietta]

If you cannot recognise that Amaral is root and branch of the mismanagement which turned what was really a simple abduction case into one of the mysteries of the century - I think you require to give some pertinent thought to the matter in hand.


You won't be surprised by my reply.

The root and the mismanagement.... was the mccs leaving babies on their own in an unlocked room as for abduction no evidence of that.

Crime scene messup up with 20 + people been allowed in by the mccs

G.A. was not a one-man band.

As for insulting you   ...you would soon know if I was.... believe me.

But I don't take your post seriously enough to do that.

Sigh ~ we know and more to the point the McCanns know and have atoned for it by never never never never ever giving up on Madeleine for every subsequent minute of every day of their lives since.

The difference between them and sceptics is that they want Madeleine's disappearance to be explained - neither sceptics nor Amaral ever want that to happen.

You are incapable of letting go of victim blaming.  It is for the POLICE to secure a crime scene ~ not the victims.  And you have just made the first positive statement I can recall you making when you comment on the POLICE FAILURE to secure the crime scene and collect forensic evidence.

AMARAL'S FIRST FAILURE among many.

[kizzy]

Sigh ~ we know and more to the point the McCanns know and have atoned for it by never never never never ever giving up on Madeleine for every subsequent minute of every day of their lives since.

The difference between them and sceptics is that they want Madeleine's disappearance to be explained - neither sceptics nor Amaral ever want that to happen.

You are incapable of letting go of victim blaming.  It is for the POLICE to secure a crime scene ~ not the victims.  And you have just made the first positive statement I can recall you making when you comment on the POLICE FAILURE to secure the crime scene and collect forensic evidence.

AMARAL'S FIRST FAILURE among many.

The difference between them and sceptics is that they want Madeleine's disappearance to be explained - neither sceptics nor Amaral ever want that to happen.

Well GA knew that Maddie wasn't going to turn up anytime soon.............and she didn't.





You are incapable of letting go of victim blaming

Think the victim apart from Maddie was GA.......A victim your post can't let go of.

[Brietta]

The difference between them and sceptics is that they want Madeleine's disappearance to be explained - neither sceptics nor Amaral ever want that to happen.

Well GA knew that Maddie wasn't going to turn up anytime soon.............and she didn't.





You are incapable of letting go of victim blaming

Think the victim apart from Maddie was GA.......A victim your post can't let go of.

You said - "Well GA knew that Maddie wasn't going to turn up anytime soon.............and she didn't."  One wonders why it has never piqued your curiosity how he could be so certain about Madeleine and the very similar case of Joana Cipriano.

You said - "Think the victim apart from Maddie was GA.......A victim your post can't let go of."  Firstly, please allow me to remind you of the thread title "Goncalo Amaral" which makes it perfectly appropriate for me. you or anyone else who wishes to comment on Amaral to be allowed to comment without let or hindrance.

Known as freedom of speech and on this forum at least only that which is true is acceptable, so I won't be letting go of the truth despite your antipathy to my posts.

As far as Amaral being a VICTIM goes.  You believe it or you wouldn't have posted it and I have no doubt that that there is evidence of past paranoia directed towards Madeleine's parents.  For example Amaral was of the opinion that his political career was thwarted by Gerry (never crossed his mind his criminal conviction and history might have been of significance) it was all the fault of McCann.

[Wonderfulspam]

You said - "Well GA knew that Maddie wasn't going to turn up anytime soon.............and she didn't."  One wonders why it has never piqued your curiosity how he could be so certain about Madeleine and the very similar case of Joana Cipriano.

You said - "Think the victim apart from Maddie was GA.......A victim your post can't let go of."  Firstly, please allow me to remind you of the thread title "Goncalo Amaral" which makes it perfectly appropriate for me. you or anyone else who wishes to comment on Amaral to be allowed to comment without let or hindrance.

Known as freedom of speech and on this forum at least only that which is true is acceptable, so I won't be letting go of the truth despite your antipathy to my posts.

As far as Amaral being a VICTIM goes.  You believe it or you wouldn't have posted it and I have no doubt that that there is evidence of past paranoia directed towards Madeleine's parents.  For example Amaral was of the opinion that his political career was thwarted by Gerry (never crossed his mind his criminal conviction and history might have been of significance) it was all the fault of McCann.

Why do you keep stating as fact that Madeleine was abducted then? If only that which is true is acceptable.
You have no way of knowing for certain Madeleine was abducted, do you?  Otherwise, would you care to explain how you know it to be true that there was an abduction?

[G-Unit]

Sigh ~ we know and more to the point the McCanns know and have atoned for it by never never never never ever giving up on Madeleine for every subsequent minute of every day of their lives since.

The difference between them and sceptics is that they want Madeleine's disappearance to be explained - neither sceptics nor Amaral ever want that to happen.

You are incapable of letting go of victim blaming.  It is for the POLICE to secure a crime scene ~ not the victims.  And you have just made the first positive statement I can recall you making when you comment on the POLICE FAILURE to secure the crime scene and collect forensic evidence.

AMARAL'S FIRST FAILURE among many.

The PJ locked 5A and left a guard on it so forensics could go there on 4th May from Lisbon.

[Eleanor]

The PJ locked 5A and left a guard on it so forensics could go there on 4th May from Lisbon.

At what hour?

[jassi]

Wasn't it about 04.30 when they'd managed to get the last of the Tapas group out of the apartment?

[Brietta]

The PJ locked 5A and left a guard on it so forensics could go there on 4th May from Lisbon.

If that is the case ~ what is the sceptic problem then?

I think you've got it wrong though.  I think forensics were there according to the photographs, and botched some of the samples which were sent to the Portuguese lab.