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faithlilly:
In March last year a poster wrote this


“These are already massively out of date, things have moved on at a pace since the weekend.  You can cut and paste  as many links as you like, at the end of the day the facts will speak for themselves.  If the Government’s handling of this crisis is causing unavoidable  deaths then the stats will reflect this.  So far our death rate per head of population is well down compared to other EU countries, maybe that will change, maybe it won’t.  Perhaps you’d like to give examples of governments doing a much better job at containing the virus?  China perhaps?  Are they socialists in your view?”

As we today reach more than 100,000 deaths in this country due to coronavirus, the largest death toll in the world, sadly  my prediction that Johnson and his hideously incompetent government’s handing of this pandemic would lead to hundreds of thousands unnecessary deaths has proved correct. Every other country on this planet with the ability to collate the data has faired better than us....even China.

I once said that the British had a tendency to masochism and the fact the the Conservatives are still neck and neck with Labour in the polls seems to bear this out. How many of our citizens will have to die due to this government’s incompetence before we say enough is enough?

G-Unit:
The government had the foresight to order vaccine three months before the EU got round to it. Now the EU is trying to stop it being exported to the UK.

UK leads in total vaccination doses relative to its population compared to European countries
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-astrazeneca-boss-blames-glitches-for-vaccine-supply-delays-in-europe-12200035

Thank goodness they were able to act independently rather than being hampered by having to wait for the EU bureaucracy to creak into action.

Vertigo Swirl:
This thread has been started as a thinly veiled attempt by the OP to have another pop at me.  I stand by every word I wrote in the post quoted.  It is a highly complex issue and simply blaming the government for everything is taking the typical black and white approach of your average intelligence internet commentator - Torys = Bad, Labour = Good.    As the OP refuses to engage with me anymore I shall not bother to comment any further, suffice it to say this crisis has been an absolute gift for the Tory Bashers and the Know-It-Alls and the Captain Hindsight brigade.

faithlilly:

--- Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on January 27, 2021, 11:08:55 AM ---This thread has been started as a thinly veiled attempt by the OP to have another pop at me.  I stand by every word I wrote in the post quoted.  It is a highly complex issue and simply blaming the government for everything is taking the typical black and white approach of your average intelligence internet commentator - Torys = Bad, Labour = Good.    As the OP refuses to engage with me anymore I shall not bother to comment any further, suffice it to say this crisis has been an absolute gift for the Tory Bashers and the Know-It-Alls and the Captain Hindsight brigade.

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It’s not complex. The government failed to heed the advice of its experts and locked down too late three times while also letting households mix at Christmas even though they knew that a new variant of the virus which was more virulent was infecting people. Eat out to help out also helped push numbers up. It really is rather simple why we have the highest death rate in the world, we had a woefully incompetent government.

As you appear to disagree with my conclusions why do you think that we have so many dead ?

For the record I think Labour’s record in opposition during the pandemic has also been woeful.

And as we are now engaging would it be too much to ask if we could try to debate without the insults?

Vertigo Swirl:

--- Quote from: faithlilly on January 29, 2021, 01:24:01 AM ---It’s not complex. The government failed to heed the advice of its experts and locked down too late three times while also letting households mix at Christmas even though they knew that a new variant of the virus which was more virulent was infecting people. Eat out to help out also helped push numbers up. It really is rather simple why we have the highest death rate in the world, we had a woefully incompetent government.

As you appear to disagree with my conclusions why do you think that we have so many dead ?

For the record I think Labour’s record in opposition during the pandemic has also been woeful.

And as we are now engaging would it be too much to ask if we could try to debate without the insults?

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To blame our death rate solely on the actions of the government is overly simplistic and if that is your position then I don’t see any point in discussing what is a hugely complex issue any further.  Nothing I say will change your mind and whilst I concede that the government has undoubtedly made numerous mistakes in the last year I refuse to join in with the online vitriol directed at those who are IMO trying their best in trying circumstances.  They are the only government we’ve got so if you think they’re awful thrn vote them out in four years time.  I can absolutely guarantee that the next bunch won’t be much better.

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