Dog Alerts- Evidence or not?

[barrier]

How many pigs are missing from 5a?

Too busy looking for Madeleine to have counted them.

[Mr Gray]

So the dogs must have had some kind of provenance to be brought in.I suspect I'm right in saying at the time the PJ never had such like,so some one recommended Grime and Harrison from the British side.

i think it was more to see what the dogs could provide...according to the following it was  arelativley new process..

In 2005 it was realised that detection canines may be of assistance to the law enforcement investigation of homicide and allegations of abduction where the pace of investigations is of paramount importance. Innovative method and ‘out of the box thinking by the UK National Search Manager introduced Human Scent Trailing, Human Blood Detection and Victim Recovery Dogs (now collectively designated as Forensic Canines) within critical case investigations to ascertain whether or not they could provide case intelligence.


looks like it was in its infancy

[Venturi Swirl]

How many pigs are missing from 5a?

How many trolls does it take to change the subject?  There was tv footage shown recently of a UK police cadaver dog barking its head off on a search for human remains and its handler dismissing the alert because the dog had found a dead bird.  Was it a pig with wings, or are cadaver dogs prone to barking whenever they smell something a bit whiffy?  The handler rewarded the dog for its false alert too.   

[Venturi Swirl]

Thats a question for Grime,I'm pointing out the enhanced comes from being trained on human cadaver,unless someone can come up with another reason to being a EVRD as opposed to being a VRD.

The term appears only ever to have been used by Grime about his own dog.

[Wonderfulspam]

How many trolls does it take to change the subject?  There was tv footage shown recently of a UK police cadaver dog barking its head off on a search for human remains and its handler dismissing the alert because the dog had found a dead bird.  Was it a pig with wings, or are cadaver dogs prone to barking whenever they smell something a bit whiffy?  The handler rewarded the dog for its false alert too.

What programme was that?

[barrier]

Makes one wonder what was said in the press conference @ 18:13 on the 19/03/2014 the Guardian reports

Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood admitted that what they have uncovered means Madeleine might not have left the apartment alive.

later on the same day at 21:03

However, Redwood did say during the same press conference that police were considering the possibility that Madeleine was not alive when taken from the apartment as well as the possibility that she was.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/mar/19/madeleine-mccann-breakthrough-attacks-family

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/mar/19/madeleine-mccann-police-intruder-girls-algarve


So unless OG actually went into 5a and there's no evidence they did apart from the dogs what else have they used?

[Venturi Swirl]

What programme was that?

I can’t remember, someone else will know.  It was in the last year and discussed on here.

[Mr Gray]

Makes one wonder what was said in the press conference @ 18:13 on the 19/03/2014 the Guardian reports

Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood admitted that what they have uncovered means Madeleine might not have left the apartment alive.

later on the same day at 21:03

However, Redwood did say during the same press conference that police were considering the possibility that Madeleine was not alive when taken from the apartment as well as the possibility that she was.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/mar/19/madeleine-mccann-breakthrough-attacks-family

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/mar/19/madeleine-mccann-police-intruder-girls-algarve


So unless OG actually went into 5a and there's no evidence they did apart from the dogs what else have they used?

Simple logic

[barrier]

The term appears only ever to have been used by Grime about his own dog.

That is why I said its a question for Grime.

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Re: What evidence would confirm a cadaver dog alert?
« Reply #395 on: June 22, 2019, 05:47:31 PM »
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Watch this clever cadaver dog at 26 minutes in, with his handler

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m0005ywg/murder-case-series-1-2-the-search-for-julie-reilly

Alerts to the presence of a dead body

Only one little problem...

[barrier]

Simple logic

Tells him what,

[Icanhandlethetruth]

Any judge worth their salt would surely have to rule uncorroborated dog alerts as inadmissable.  I can’t see how they could possibly be considered evidence as there is no proof of what the dog alerted to.  It’s akin to witch drowning IMO.

I don't 100% disagree with your view. However we should also realise it not just a case of a couple of doddery old judges who have made bad decisions, the absolute right to admit such evidence to a trial is not specifically precluded in the way something like polygraph tests are. So obviously at the current time the whole judiciary doesn't see it as a problem.

[Eleanor]

Just did.

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES.htm

That date in August 2007 is the date of the Portuguese Search Report.

Where does it say that Eddie was taken to America while Martin Grime was still employed by The UK Police?  And prior to August 2007.

[Mr Gray]

Tells him what,

That death in the apt is an option

[barrier]

That date in August 2007 is the date of the Portuguese Search Report.

Where does it say that Eddie was taken to America while Martin Grime was still employed by The UK Police?  And prior to August 2007.

Why would it say after? the report is about the search is it not,why would there be a need to embellish it with tales thereafter?