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Offline G-Unit

Re: Dog Alerts- Evidence or not?
« Reply #2205 on: June 22, 2021, 12:10:05 PM »
Amarals opinion was not based on facts..
The point im making is its possible to know for certain someone is guilty but not be able to orove it in a court of law... That is a fact.... And perhaps that applies to Wolters

Amaral's opinion may not have been based on facts in your opinion, but in the opinion of the Portuguese courts it was;

80. The facts related to the criminal investigation of Madeleine McCann's disappearance that the defendant Goncalo Amaral refers in the book, in an interview with the newspaper Correio da Manha and in the documentary are mostly facts that occurred and are documented in this investigation (clauses 27 and 28 of the instruction basis) .
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6307.0 page 30

It isn't relevant what Wolters thinks or believes, it's what he says that is relevant.
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Offline Davel

Re: Dog Alerts- Evidence or not?
« Reply #2206 on: June 22, 2021, 12:11:49 PM »
Amaral was not a public official, but Wolters is, and that's an important difference.

Do you realise Wolters has rights under article 10...or are you only interested in those of CB

Offline Davel

Re: Dog Alerts- Evidence or not?
« Reply #2207 on: June 22, 2021, 12:23:01 PM »
Amaral's opinion may not have been based on facts in your opinion, but in the opinion of the Portuguese courts it was;

80. The facts related to the criminal investigation of Madeleine McCann's disappearance that the defendant Goncalo Amaral refers in the book, in an interview with the newspaper Correio da Manha and in the documentary are mostly facts that occurred and are documented in this investigation (clauses 27 and 28 of the instruction basis) .
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6307.0 page 30

It isn't relevant what Wolters thinks or believes, it's what he says that is relevant.

Youve misunderstood the statement... It says based mainly on facts... That makes a difference.....but in fact they wete not facts. Do you really understand what is meant by proven facts... I dont. Perhaps you could explain and also explain what the caveat.. Alinia... as I recall means.. It doesn't appear in the other proven facts

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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Dog Alerts- Evidence or not?
« Reply #2209 on: June 22, 2021, 12:35:03 PM »
There's a difference between Amaral and Davel too. Amaral's opinion was based on facts recorded in the PJ files and publicly available. I don't know what Davel's opinion is based on.
@)(++(* you really are unbelievable.  If you don't know what Davel's opinion is based on, why are you telling him categorically that he can't publicly name this person and state that they are a thief?
« Last Edit: June 22, 2021, 12:41:12 PM by Vertigo Swirl »
ANGER MAKES US AWARE OF INJUSTICE
We often experience anger when we are denied rights or when faced with insults, disrespect, injustice, or exploitation. Anger serves as an internal guidance system that indicates something is not quite right, that someone has treated us unjustly or unfairly. Anger helps communicate to others: “You’d better treat me fairly; otherwise, you’ll pay a high cost.” On a global level, standing up for a lack of fairness can prevent people from taking advantage of others. This type of anger can bring about positive change in society and increase the social cost of misbehaving.
The value of anger https://www.goodtherapy.org/blog/value-of-anger-16-reasons-its-good-to-get-angry-0313175

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Dog Alerts- Evidence or not?
« Reply #2210 on: June 22, 2021, 12:38:56 PM »
https://www.slatergordon.co.uk/media/137337/police-law-defamation.pdf
I like this part:
"You are presumed to be of good character"
Does that apply to a convicted rapist and paedophile I wonder...?
ANGER MAKES US AWARE OF INJUSTICE
We often experience anger when we are denied rights or when faced with insults, disrespect, injustice, or exploitation. Anger serves as an internal guidance system that indicates something is not quite right, that someone has treated us unjustly or unfairly. Anger helps communicate to others: “You’d better treat me fairly; otherwise, you’ll pay a high cost.” On a global level, standing up for a lack of fairness can prevent people from taking advantage of others. This type of anger can bring about positive change in society and increase the social cost of misbehaving.
The value of anger https://www.goodtherapy.org/blog/value-of-anger-16-reasons-its-good-to-get-angry-0313175

Offline Davel

Re: Dog Alerts- Evidence or not?
« Reply #2211 on: June 22, 2021, 12:45:58 PM »
@)(++(* you really are unbelievable.  If you don't know what Davel's opinion is based on, why are you telling him categorically that he can't publicly name this person and state that they are a thief?

Precisely... Based on zero information gunit has decided I can be sued.. That isnt a very sensible thing to do.

If she knew what evidence I had she would agree with me..

Now who said that..

Offline misty

Re: Dog Alerts- Evidence or not?
« Reply #2212 on: June 22, 2021, 01:04:40 PM »
I like this part:
"You are presumed to be of good character"
Does that apply to a convicted rapist and paedophile I wonder...?

Fulscher would probably provide Brueckner with a decent character reference!
Seriously, though - Wolters speaks with the full backing of BKA and has absolute privilege. It's astounding that certain people can't see the difference between his rights to free speech compared to those of the ex-PJ Inspector bound by a duty of reserve.
As far as Brueckner's right to a fair trial is concerned, does that mean he's anticipating being charged with more crimes? As a German prisoner, he must know that the Public Prosecutor is legally bound to consider evidence of innocence as well as guilt before any recommendation the accused faces trial? (Guilty until proven innocent in German courts).

Offline Davel

Re: Dog Alerts- Evidence or not?
« Reply #2213 on: June 22, 2021, 01:37:22 PM »
Amaral's opinion may not have been based on facts in your opinion, but in the opinion of the Portuguese courts it was;

80. The facts related to the criminal investigation of Madeleine McCann's disappearance that the defendant Goncalo Amaral refers in the book, in an interview with the newspaper Correio da Manha and in the documentary are mostly facts that occurred and are documented in this investigation (clauses 27 and 28 of the instruction basis) .
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6307.0 page 30

It isn't relevant what Wolters thinks or believes, it's what he says that is relevant.


Amarals opinion was not based on facts...but his failure to understand the evidence and listen to the experts. That isnt opinion its fact. The SC actually thought his opinion was based on facts...it wasnt therefore the SC is wrong .

Offline G-Unit

Re: Dog Alerts- Evidence or not?
« Reply #2214 on: June 22, 2021, 02:12:02 PM »
Youve misunderstood the statement... It says based mainly on facts... That makes a difference.....but in fact they wete not facts. Do you really understand what is meant by proven facts... I dont. Perhaps you could explain and also explain what the caveat.. Alinia... as I recall means.. It doesn't appear in the other proven facts

The proven facts are decided upon by the judge and given to the lawyers. If there are no objections they become the agreed facts and are used by the judge to reach their judgement. In this case the judge was Maria Emília de Melo e Castro, the judge of the first instance.
https://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/ReadingFacts_21_01_2015.htm

Where does the word 'alinia' appear?
England - good effort

Offline Davel

Re: Dog Alerts- Evidence or not?
« Reply #2215 on: June 22, 2021, 02:24:51 PM »
The proven facts are decided upon by the judge and given to the lawyers. If there are no objections they become the agreed facts and are used by the judge to reach their judgement. In this case the judge was Maria Emília de Melo e Castro, the judge of the first instance.
https://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/ReadingFacts_21_01_2015.htm

Where does the word 'alinia' appear?

That link does not explain how the proven facts were arrived at... They are obviously 100%not proven..
Alinea AR appears in the proven facts relating to thr alerts.
If we understood what that meant we might understand how the so called proven facts were arrived at
« Last Edit: June 22, 2021, 04:10:28 PM by Davel »