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Offline Carana

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #10410 on: June 10, 2021, 06:18:06 PM »
Didn't Eddie sort of alert to the flower bed outside 5a?  But Grime never followed up on it?

Yes he did, sort of, and no, there doesn't appear to have been any follow up.

Geez, I can't believe that after 14 years, the doggies who've been resting their cotton sock paws on clouds for quite some time are still a topic.

Offline Davel

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #10411 on: June 10, 2021, 06:20:51 PM »
My understanding is.. Based on Grimed introduction to his white paper is that VRD dogs were used to find bodies and body parts. Ss they didnt do this very often Grime and Harruson came up with remnant scent to aid in intelligence for homicide.. Missing person on cases.. And its all snowballed from there..

Offline Brietta

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #10412 on: June 10, 2021, 06:23:29 PM »
IMO it was more likely to contain fertilizer (brought in on shoes that had been walking on an area recently treated) than a dead body.  No one is saying Eddie alerted to fertilzer anyway but the fact is there is a long list of possible explanations for the alerts and only one of them (and the least likely imo) is the one time presence of a dead body on May 3rd.

The apartment was not a sterile environment.

The Judicial Police had given permission for it to be put back into service as a holiday residence between the McCanns leaving it and the dogs arriving to inspect it.

I forget how many families made use of it during that time.  A minimum of three and possibly five.  I do not think any of these families were asked to give an interview about their time there.

There would have been a deep clean between each different set of occupants.
The remit of Operation Grange is to investigate ...  "(as if the abduction occurred in the UK)"

Offline G-Unit

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #10413 on: June 10, 2021, 08:22:16 PM »
You are the one who ridiculed the notion of garden fertiliser.

Misty is the one who corrected you on that 😁

Does peat-based garden fertilizer emit methane? Does the smell of methane confuse cadaver dogs?
Until those questions are answered it can't be claimed that Eddie alerted to garden fertilizer.
No-one here believes the parents were directly involved in MM's disappearance because belief without evidence is useless.

Offline Brietta

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #10414 on: June 10, 2021, 08:30:56 PM »
Does peat-based garden fertilizer emit methane? Does the smell of methane confuse cadaver dogs?
Until those questions are answered it can't be claimed that Eddie alerted to garden fertilizer.

Nobody knows what caused Eddie to bark in Luz - just as no-one knows what caused Eddie to bark in Jersey.  But whatever - Eddie's barks mean nothing in either case so I don't think anyone is particularly interested.
With a rump of exceptions.

Trying to make something out of nothing has been turned into an art form as far as Eddie's fan club is concerned and how silly that has been and is when witnessing the direction the investigation has taken from 2013 onwards.
The remit of Operation Grange is to investigate ...  "(as if the abduction occurred in the UK)"

Offline Eleanor

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #10415 on: June 10, 2021, 08:32:10 PM »

Some fertilisers contain blood.

Offline Davel

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #10416 on: June 10, 2021, 08:47:05 PM »
Does peat-based garden fertilizer emit methane? Does the smell of methane confuse cadaver dogs?
Until those questions are answered it can't be claimed that Eddie alerted to garden fertilizer.

The FACT is... No one knows what Eddie alerted to.. But we know he alerted to a coconut in Jersey..

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #10417 on: June 10, 2021, 09:01:48 PM »
Some fertilisers contain blood.
and bone, and in Portugal it could well be pig based.
Mare's eat oat's and doe's eat oat's and little lamb's eat ivy.

Offline G-Unit

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #10418 on: June 11, 2021, 06:27:31 AM »
The FACT is... No one knows what Eddie alerted to.. But we know he alerted to a coconut in Jersey..

You like to think he alerted to a piece of coconut, but the fact is that he alerted to an area and in that area a piece of what may have been coconut was found. That doesn't mean that's what he alerted to.
No-one here believes the parents were directly involved in MM's disappearance because belief without evidence is useless.

Offline Davel

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #10419 on: June 11, 2021, 06:42:19 AM »
You like to think he alerted to a piece of coconut, but the fact is that he alerted to an area and in that area a piece of what may have been coconut was found. That doesn't mean that's what he alerted to.

No its you who likes to think that snd you are wrong sgain..


 
É As has now been widely reported, on the morning of 23 February
2008 LGC were excavating the area when they uncovered a
fragment of material measuring 6.3cm x 4.4cm that was believed
at that time to be human bone. The LGC scientist described it as Ďa
fragment of juvenile rather than an adult craniumí and it was
referred to as JAR/6. A short time later Mr Grimeís dog was
presented with the item and gave a positive indication for human
remains.


From the BDO report which you have seen but obviously not read and understood. Eddie alerted specifically to the piece of coconut annd gave an alert for human remains. Please stop promoting untruths

So Grime thought the fragment was human remains and the dog alerted to it..... LOL
« Last Edit: June 11, 2021, 06:45:06 AM by Davel »

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #10420 on: June 11, 2021, 07:15:49 AM »
You like to think he alerted to a piece of coconut, but the fact is that he alerted to an area and in that area a piece of what may have been coconut was found. That doesn't mean that's what he alerted to.
You are in denial and will clearly defend the dogs to the death, despite the evidence that they clearly alert to a wide range of substances - strange from someone who is supposedly such a stickler for accepting nothing (except if it comes from a dog? ), believing no one (dogs exempt?) confirming everything (no need to if itís a dog?)
Mare's eat oat's and doe's eat oat's and little lamb's eat ivy.

Offline Eleanor

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #10421 on: June 11, 2021, 08:00:00 AM »
and bone, and in Portugal it could well be pig based.

According to Google it is usually Swine based;  And probably uneviscerated.

Offline G-Unit

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #10422 on: June 11, 2021, 09:47:08 AM »
No its you who likes to think that snd you are wrong sgain..


 
É As has now been widely reported, on the morning of 23 February
2008 LGC were excavating the area when they uncovered a
fragment of material measuring 6.3cm x 4.4cm that was believed
at that time to be human bone. The LGC scientist described it as Ďa
fragment of juvenile rather than an adult craniumí and it was
referred to as JAR/6. A short time later Mr Grimeís dog was
presented with the item and gave a positive indication for human
remains.


From the BDO report which you have seen but obviously not read and understood. Eddie alerted specifically to the piece of coconut annd gave an alert for human remains. Please stop promoting untruths

So Grime thought the fragment was human remains and the dog alerted to it..... LOL

Your cite quotes "as has been widely reported" as it's source. By that I assume it is referring to reports in the media or online as they acknowledge.

In Harper's press conference in Ferbruary 2008 he said;

"We would not put the dog onto any of the items found.

The archaeologist and anthropologist will go through what we find bit by bit"
https://jersey.police.uk/news-appeals/2008/february/media-briefing-notes-from-haut-de-la-garenne-(20)/

Reading the Operation Rectangle Summary Report written in 2008, much less weight is given to the discovery of the fragment than was given to it by the media;

Anecdotal witness evidence was suggestive of juvenile human bones being recovered from the area of the north-western stairwell during recent building renovations in 2003. Human remains deposited within the ground in that area would contaminate the ground, and any porous material within it. The dog's reactions were therefore consistent with this scenario.

The area was therefore subjected to intrusive archaeological excavation. A fragment of what the forensic anthropologist describes as being possibly human/juvenile skull was recovered from within a Victorian context of the excavation. The fragment was shipped to the U.K. for confirmation of substance, species, carbon dating and DNA testihg. The laboratory conducting the analysis reported confused and conflicting findings therefore no conclusion is available at this time. Other burnt bone fragments were also recovered from the context within this area.

The dating of the context is Victorian, outside the time spectrum of a homicide enquiry at this time. Therefore further testing will be the subject of a forensic submission review later in the enquiry.
Page 11 Digital copy of Exhibit LH20: Operation Rectangle Summary Report by States of Jersey Police.
https://catalogue.jerseyheritage.org/collection/Details/archive/110390044
No-one here believes the parents were directly involved in MM's disappearance because belief without evidence is useless.

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #10423 on: June 11, 2021, 09:54:24 AM »
Your cite quotes "as has been widely reported" as it's source. By that I assume it is referring to reports in the media or online as they acknowledge.

In Harper's press conference in Ferbruary 2008 he said;

"We would not put the dog onto any of the items found.

The archaeologist and anthropologist will go through what we find bit by bit"
https://jersey.police.uk/news-appeals/2008/february/media-briefing-notes-from-haut-de-la-garenne-(20)/

Reading the Operation Rectangle Summary Report written in 2008, much less weight is given to the discovery of the fragment than was given to it by the media;

Anecdotal witness evidence was suggestive of juvenile human bones being recovered from the area of the north-western stairwell during recent building renovations in 2003. Human remains deposited within the ground in that area would contaminate the ground, and any porous material within it. The dog's reactions were therefore consistent with this scenario.

The area was therefore subjected to intrusive archaeological excavation. A fragment of what the forensic anthropologist describes as being possibly human/juvenile skull was recovered from within a Victorian context of the excavation. The fragment was shipped to the U.K. for confirmation of substance, species, carbon dating and DNA testihg. The laboratory conducting the analysis reported confused and conflicting findings therefore no conclusion is available at this time. Other burnt bone fragments were also recovered from the context within this area.

The dating of the context is Victorian, outside the time spectrum of a homicide enquiry at this time. Therefore further testing will be the subject of a forensic submission review later in the enquiry.
Page 11 Digital copy of Exhibit LH20: Operation Rectangle Summary Report by States of Jersey Police.
https://catalogue.jerseyheritage.org/collection/Details/archive/110390044
Given the dog's amazing and accurate ability to tell a bone from a coconut, why ever would the forensic team NOT give the final word (bark) to Eddie The Wonderdog?
Mare's eat oat's and doe's eat oat's and little lamb's eat ivy.

Offline G-Unit

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #10424 on: June 11, 2021, 10:15:19 AM »
Given the dog's amazing and accurate ability to tell a bone from a coconut, why ever would the forensic team NOT give the final word (bark) to Eddie The Wonderdog?

The dog's role was to indicate areas where evidence might be found. I would think that anything found within that area would carry the scent to which the dog alerted, so there was nothing to be gained by asking him to screen those items individually.
No-one here believes the parents were directly involved in MM's disappearance because belief without evidence is useless.