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Offline Swertigo Virl

Re: At what point does child neglect become an offence?
« Reply #75 on: December 20, 2021, 08:18:16 AM »
Sometimes neglect isn't prosecuted because the result is devastating. That doesn't mean it didn't happen.
Can you give me some examples?  So what happened in this case then? Do please give us the benefit of your insider knowledge, because clearly you have some to be able to claim it was all the motherís fault before this has even been legally established.
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Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: At what point does child neglect become an offence?
« Reply #76 on: December 20, 2021, 08:52:28 AM »
Can you give me some examples? So what happened in this case then? Do please give us the benefit of your insider knowledge, because clearly you have some to be able to claim it was all the motherís fault before this has even been legally established.

She f****d off to Sainsbury's & didn't return home for nearly 2 hours.

She's bailed until mid january.

Fat chance of her receiving a custodial sentence.  The CPS will no doubt conclude she suffered enough.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: At what point does child neglect become an offence?
« Reply #77 on: December 20, 2021, 09:02:19 AM »
Can you give me some examples?  So what happened in this case then? Do please give us the benefit of your insider knowledge, because clearly you have some to be able to claim it was all the motherís fault before this has even been legally established.

Legal and moral responsibility are not always the same thing imo.
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Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: At what point does child neglect become an offence?
« Reply #78 on: December 20, 2021, 09:04:01 AM »
The mother of four boys killed in a London house fire when they were left home alone has said she would 'never get over' their loss.

Deveca Rose revealed her anguish at having to live without her two sets of twin sons Kyson and Bryson Hoath, four, and Leyton and Logan, three, after the blaze ripped through their Sutton home on Thursday.

Police said they had arrested a 27-year-old woman on suspicion of child neglect but she had been bailed until mid-January.

Rose said, according to The Times: 'Bryson, Kyson, Logan and Leyton were my boys, they were my babies, they were my life, they were my world.

'They were my heart, they were my soul, they were everything. Everything feels so surreal. I can't function.'

The inferno tore through the ground floor of the house, overwhelming the four boys with dense smoke.

The children were pulled from the blaze by firefighters but tragically could not be saved and were pronounced dead at hospital.

More than 60 firefighters in eight engines raced to the 'intense' blaze and took 90 minutes to bring it under control.

Rose said her four sons loved school, dancing, playing in the park and being with their family.

She added: 'I can't get over it, I'll never get over it.

'They lit up everybody's world and I will always be sorry that they went so soon. They had so much planned and now they're gone. I wake up and I look at their Christmas tree and I look at their clothes, their Liverpool [football] kit, their Cocomelon dressing gowns, their drawings.'

The devastated father of the twin boys, Dalton Hoath, 28, had said they were 'bright, caring, loveable boys but most of all sons, brothers, grandsons, great-grandsons, nephews and cousins.'

He said in a statement: 'We would like to thank all the emergency services who did so much to try and save our boys, and also the local community who have come together at this difficult time.

'I would ask that my family are given time to grieve in private.

'They will be forever in my heart and thoughts, love Dad.'   

The heartbroken grandfather of the two sets of twin brothers killed in the Sutton house fire added: 'It's all the more heartbreaking because their presents were all piled under the tree ready for them'.

A makeshift shrine of flowers, balloons, toys and football scarves has since piled up outside the burnt-out terrace house where the two sets of twins died.

Family members and grieving locals left handwritten tributes to the four children, who were often pictured holding hands together.

One note read: 'Santa will deliver your presents to heaven for you. Stay holding hands forever.'

The police investigation is ongoing. Chief Superintendent Dave Stringer said: 'The thoughts of everyone at the Metropolitan Police are with the family and friends of the four young boys who lost their lives in this tragic incident.

'Local detectives continue to investigate and will be working with colleagues from the London Fire Brigade to determine what caused the fire and to investigate any other relevant matters.'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10327383/Mother-four-brothers-killed-London-house-fire-says-never-loss.html


'Bryson, Kyson, Logan and Leyton were my boys, they were my babies, they were my life, they were my world.

'They were my heart, they were my soul, they were everything. Everything feels so surreal. I can't function.'
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So she f****d off out, leaving her life, world, heart, soul & everything alone in doors to fend for themselves for two hours.

Shopping was clearly more important to her than her children but now she wants to make out like she was a good mother.

She has no sense of shame.
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Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: At what point does child neglect become an offence?
« Reply #79 on: December 20, 2021, 09:28:40 AM »
"It was a tragic accident, I needed bread & milk for the boys so I only rushed out for 15 mins, from my understanding, leaving toddlers unattended for increments of 30 minutes is well within the bounds of responsible parenting, by the time I got back the house was burning, I'll never forgive myself."

This should be her defence in court imo





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Offline Swertigo Virl

Re: At what point does child neglect become an offence?
« Reply #80 on: December 20, 2021, 09:55:36 AM »
Legal and moral responsibility are not always the same thing imo.
Congratulations, that is the 1000th time you have avoided answering one of my questions directly!!!  Your prize is a wet raspberry.   @)(++(*
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Offline Swertigo Virl

Re: At what point does child neglect become an offence?
« Reply #81 on: December 20, 2021, 10:17:52 AM »
Some would argue that smoking around children constitutes child abuse.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4369587/
Certainly smoking materials, lighters and matches are one of the leading causes of house fires. 
IMO, it is morally irresponsible to smoke in the same house as children, especially young children and
I think it should be an offence to put personal pleasure above the health and welfare of your children from the moment you wake up to the moment you go to bed day in, day out for years and years.
There - I can do judgey too!   
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Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: At what point does child neglect become an offence?
« Reply #82 on: December 20, 2021, 01:28:07 PM »
Some would argue that smoking around children constitutes child abuse.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4369587/
Certainly smoking materials, lighters and matches are one of the leading causes of house fires. 
IMO, it is morally irresponsible to smoke in the same house as children, especially young children and
I think it should be an offence to put personal pleasure above the health and welfare of your children from the moment you wake up to the moment you go to bed day in, day out for years and years.
There - I can do judgey too!   

One neighbour said Devaca Rose was smoking a ciggie when she returned.

So, abuse & neglect.
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