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Offline Nicholas

Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #585 on: April 30, 2019, 10:43:10 AM »
Firstly BG has been through two criminal trials.  He was acquitted at the latter and in they eyes of the law he is an innocent man.

In the eyes of the law he has yet to prove beyond a reasonable doubt he didn’t commit murder.
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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #586 on: April 30, 2019, 10:44:20 AM »
You appear to be assuming the murderer was thinking rationally as opposed to having irrational thought processes?

If the murder was sexually motivated where/when/how was the sexual gratification derived?
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Nicholas

Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #587 on: April 30, 2019, 10:45:30 AM »
Has any expert ever diagnosed BG with 'displaced aggression'?

What did Michael Mansfield put forward at the original trial?
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #588 on: April 30, 2019, 10:46:47 AM »
Has any expert ever diagnosed BG with 'displaced aggression'?

What motivates individuals to rape?
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #589 on: April 30, 2019, 10:53:23 AM »
If the murder was sexually motivated where/when/how was the sexual gratification derived?

Before, after? How is sexual gratification derived from crimes such as rape and murder?

Irrational thoughts processes maybe?

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Offline Nicholas

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Offline Nicholas

Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #591 on: April 30, 2019, 11:17:54 AM »
Has any expert ever diagnosed BG with 'displaced aggression'?

What assessments, if any, were carried out on Barry George following his arrest and subsequent conviction(s) of attempted rape etc?
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #592 on: April 30, 2019, 11:25:29 AM »
I'm not condoning BG's previous crimes which involved attempted rape and sexual assault but there's no evidence Jill's murder was sexually motivated.  If this was the case why didn't the perp allow her to open the front door, barge in at the same time and hold her at gunpoint ordering her to disable the house alarm (assuming it was on) and then attempt to rape or sexually assault her? 

I'm not sure any sexual gratification could be derived from simply shooting someone dead and then disappearing?

Maybe in Barry George’s irrational mind the murder was his coup de grâce?
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #593 on: April 30, 2019, 11:47:00 AM »
Michelle Diskin Bates 🎀
@Michelle_Diskin
No...BBC, they are NOT rape victims until someone is proved guilty of raping them! With the greatest respect they are claimants or accusers until then. Innocent until proven guilty...not half guilty, awaiting a trial! #BBC

1:20 PM · Apr 29, 2019 · Twitter for iPad
https://mobile.twitter.com/Michelle_Diskin/status/1122838159581224963

Barry George was found guilty of attempted rape but because it happened years before the murder Michelle Diskin Bates has always minimised her brothers behaviour. I wonder if she’s ever considered his victims and the impact it’s had on them?

I’ve always sensed a lack of shame, guilt and remorse from Barry George and his sister.
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #594 on: April 30, 2019, 11:56:56 AM »

Troll exposure blog:
It implies that the ideas were fed into people by someone, possibly either Williams-Thomas or Jones.
Read more here:
https://trollexposure.wordpress.com/2019/04/29/explosive-pollards/

More from
Troll exposure blog:
Could it be that “the journalist” was someone from Sky News or posing to be from Sky News? Stacking the decks to encourage the BBC to act?
https://trollexposure.wordpress.com/2019/04/30/explosive-pollards-ii/
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #595 on: April 30, 2019, 12:20:06 PM »


Michelle Diskin Bates 🎀
@Michelle_Diskin
Oh...how I wish it could, but those of us who’ve suffered because of it, know better.
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Jeremy Bamber
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Petition Message:

"I have always had doubts about Bamber's guilt. As a citizen I need to know beyond reasonable doubt that the system can be trusted and the withholding of crucial evidence casts way too much suspicion.. (link: http://chng.it/5WSj9t7G) chng.it/5WSj9t7G via @UKChange

#JeremyBamber case

4:25 PM · Apr 20, 2019 · Twitter for iPad
https://mobile.twitter.com/Michelle_Diskin/status/1119623118295851008


There’s never been a disclosure issue in the Barry George case; unless someone knows otherwise?

There is however a lack of transparency from Barry George and his sister.

Many questions still remain. Like what if anything, did previous assessments conclude as to his issues, motivations etc surrounding previous convictions? Was he rehabilitated? Did he ever complete courses?

Why is he still under MAPPA?

Excerpt from Stand Against Injustice; “The Met Police said this had nothing to do with his conviction in 2001. They had carried out a risk assessment, using a mathematical equation constructed on age and convictions (but his convictions were spent!) and based on this they had come up with him possibly reoffending (after 26 years?). He had not needed this order before Jill Dando had been killed. Barry took a case against this decision but lost, having to pay the costs himself.

It appears to me Barry George was released from prison following previous convictions and never monitored?

It also appears to me that the prison authorities are in dispute with the three eminent doctors who assessed him in the lead up to his retrial.

“These three eminent doctors worked together as a forensic medical team and they were an invaluable asset to the court. Without their expertise, Barry may well have been found ‘unfit to stand trial’.(Michelle Diskin Bates)
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #596 on: April 30, 2019, 12:50:29 PM »
Why is he still under MAPPA?

Excerpt from Stand Against Injustice; “The Met Police said this had nothing to do with his conviction in 2001. They had carried out a risk assessment, using a mathematical equation constructed on age and convictions (but his convictions were spent!) and based on this they had come up with him possibly reoffending (after 26 years?). He had not needed this order before Jill Dando had been killed. Barry took a case against this decision but lost, having to pay the costs himself.

It appears to me Barry George was released from prison following previous convictions and never monitored?

It also appears to me that the prison authorities are in dispute with the three eminent doctors who assessed him in the lead up to his retrial.

“These three eminent doctors worked together as a forensic medical team and they were an invaluable asset to the court. Without their expertise, Barry may well have been found ‘unfit to stand trial’.(Michelle Diskin Bates)

Mens Rea
Every person of the age of discretion is, unless the contrary is proved, presumed by law to be sane and to be accountable for his actions: R v Layton (1849) 4 Cox 149. Archbold 17-74. The onus is on the defence to establish insanity at the time of the offence on the balance of probabilities.
In all other cases, unless there is statutory authority to the contrary, the onus is on the prosecution to establish mens rea beyond all reasonable doubt, whether generally or when particular issues arise (Woolmington v DPP [1935] A.C.462) Archbold 17-5.
Prosecutors should be mindful of the mens rea requirements of specific offences and consider the impact of a mental disorder on the offender's ability to form the necessary mens rea. An independent medical report may be helpful.

https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/mentally-disordered-offenders


Excerpt from Stand Against Injustice
This was something Mansfield was seriously concerned about, because if a defendant is deemed to be unfit to stand trial, they can be hospitalised in a secure mental facility, such as Broadmoor Hospital, until they recovered sufficiently to be able to stand trial. Mansfield knew that if Barry had been put into such a hospital it would be impossible for him to recover from the disabilities he was born with. The Dando case would very quickly have disappeared and Barry would have been detained indefinitely, probably never to be released again.(Michelle Diskin Bates)
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #597 on: April 30, 2019, 01:10:55 PM »
Excerpt from Stand Against Injustice:
“Mansfield knew that if Barry had been put into such a hospital it would be impossible for him to recover from the disabilities he was born with. The Dando case would very quickly have disappeared and Barry would have been detained indefinitely, probably never to be released again. Everyone would have believed the case had been solved and Barry would never have had a trial, fair or otherwise. (Michelle Diskin Bates)



Fitness to Plead in the Crown Court

“The purpose of this procedure is to strike a fair balance between the need to protect a defendant, who has, in fact, done nothing wrong but is unfit to plead at his trial, and the need to protect the public from a defendant who has committed an injurious act which would constitute a crime if done with the requisite mens rea (R v Antoine [2001] 1 AC 340).

The procedure is set out in the Criminal Procedure (Insanity) Act 1964 as substantially amended by the Criminal Procedure (Insanity and Unfitness to Plead) Act 1991 and by sections 22, 24, 25, Schedule 2 and the provisions in respect of unfitness to plead and insanity in Schedules 10 and 11 to the Domestic Violence, Crime and Victims Act 2004 for all defendants arraigned after 31 March 2005. Transitional provisions are set out at paragraph 8 of Schedule 12 to the 2004 Act.

The procedure has two stages:

Whether the offender is under a disability i.e. whether he is "unfit" to plead (section 4 Criminal Procedure (Insanity) Act 1964) ; and if so
Whether he did the act or made the omission charged against him (section 4A Criminal Procedure (Insanity) Act 1964).
1. Whether the offender is under a disability
The question of fitness to plead may be raised before arraignment by the prosecution, defence or Judge.

In the majority of cases it is likely that the defendant will respond to medical treatment and the trial will take place within a reasonable period .The defendant may be remanded to hospital for a report on his medical condition (section 35 Mental Health Act 1983) or for treatment (section 36 Mental Health Act 1983) while he is awaiting trial. Archbold 5-891 - 5-892.

In cases of serious or enduring disorder, the issue of fitness to plead should be determined.

If there is a reasonable chance that the prosecution case will be successfully challenged, the issue of fitness to plead should not be determined before arraignment, but postponed until a time before the defence case is opened (Archbold 4-170). This may result in a conclusive verdict of acquittal and avoids the need for the issue of unfitness to be determined at all.

The issue of fitness to plead will be decided by the Judge not the jury (ss 4 (5) Criminal Procedure (Insanity) Act 1964) on the written or oral evidence of two or more registered medical practitioners, at least one of whom must be duly approved under section 12 Mental Health Act 1983.
https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/mentally-disordered-offenders
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #598 on: April 30, 2019, 01:27:57 PM »
Quote
Excerpt from Stand Against Injustice:
“Mansfield knew that if Barry had been put into such a hospital it would be impossible for him to recover from the disabilities he was born with. The Dando case would very quickly have disappeared and Barry would have been detained indefinitely, probably never to be released again. Everyone would have believed the case had been solved and Barry would never have had a trial, fair or otherwise. (Michelle Diskin Bates)

Finally, it all made sense. Now we understood what was going on with Barry as a child. It felt like we’d found the missing jigsaw pieces. With this information, we would be able to help Barry through this ordeal–he would have support in the courtroom and he would be given techniques for dealing with his anxiety. A small victory, but one we were grateful to have achieved. (Michelle Diskin Bates)
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #599 on: April 30, 2019, 01:35:55 PM »
Surjit Singh Clair is pictured standing towards Michelle Diskin Bates left.

https://issuu.com/salvationarmyuk/docs/wc_27_april_2019_web


“Judge Robert Orme said Cotter (29) and co-conspirators Surjit Singh Clair (31) and Craig Wynn (29) had played the "race card" in an attempt to make the bogus attack convincing. Jailing Wynn for two years and Clair for three years at Birmingham Crown Court, the judge added that the men had committed a grave offence.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/jail-for-fake-race-hate-attack-1.312219
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