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Offline Wonderfulspam


The Independent has just deleted my comment from it's article for allegedly violating community guidelines.

Here was the comment:

"Tamir Rice was shot in legally justifiable self defence. (Read the DOJ report.) Trayvon Martin was assaulting Zimmerman when he shot him in self defence. There was a trial, Zimmerman was found not guilty. Justice was served."


Can anyone spot the violation here because I really am at a loss?

The comment was entirely factually accurate, but perhaps unpalatable for anyone who supports BLM.
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Offline Wonderfulspam

Hard to disagree with any of that except the last sentence.  The situation in America vis a vis violent crime is an optimistic one in that murder and violent crime has been on a serious downward trajectory for years, quite the opposite to what  is portrayed in the media, particularly the right wing media.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/191219/reported-violent-crime-rate-in-the-usa-since-1990/

Thanks, during that time I believe police spending & number of officers expanded year on year, along with the introduction of new procedures, body cameras, tazers etc etc

I've read arguments that there is no connection between expansion of policing & reduction of crime, but I think that would be somewhat naive myself. Would crime have decreased if number of officers & police budgets were being continually cut?

I guess we'll find out if BLM have their way.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Thanks, during that time I believe police spending & number of officers expanded year on year, along with the introduction of new procedures, body cameras, tazers etc etc

I've read arguments that there is no connection between expansion of policing & reduction of crime, but I think that would be somewhat naive myself. Would crime have decreased if number of officers & police budgets were being continually cut?

I guess we'll find out if BLM have their way.
  Do you know exactly what the aims and objectives of BLM are - to increase crime and murder on the streets of the USA?  Whilst I don't support their cause I find it hard to believe that this is their objective as the people most likely to suffer are those whose lives they most care about. 
ANGER MAKES US AWARE OF INJUSTICE
We often experience anger when we are denied rights or when faced with insults, disrespect, injustice, or exploitation. Anger serves as an internal guidance system that indicates something is not quite right, that someone has treated us unjustly or unfairly. Anger helps communicate to others: “You’d better treat me fairly; otherwise, you’ll pay a high cost.” On a global level, standing up for a lack of fairness can prevent people from taking advantage of others. This type of anger can bring about positive change in society and increase the social cost of misbehaving.
The value of anger https://www.goodtherapy.org/blog/value-of-anger-16-reasons-its-good-to-get-angry-0313175

Offline Vertigo Swirl

ANGER MAKES US AWARE OF INJUSTICE
We often experience anger when we are denied rights or when faced with insults, disrespect, injustice, or exploitation. Anger serves as an internal guidance system that indicates something is not quite right, that someone has treated us unjustly or unfairly. Anger helps communicate to others: “You’d better treat me fairly; otherwise, you’ll pay a high cost.” On a global level, standing up for a lack of fairness can prevent people from taking advantage of others. This type of anger can bring about positive change in society and increase the social cost of misbehaving.
The value of anger https://www.goodtherapy.org/blog/value-of-anger-16-reasons-its-good-to-get-angry-0313175

Offline Wonderfulspam

  Do you know exactly what the aims and objectives of BLM are - to increase crime and murder on the streets of the USA?  Whilst I don't support their cause I find it hard to believe that this is their objective as the people most likely to suffer are those whose lives they most care about.

BLM's objective is to live in luxury homes in predominantly white areas by ambulance chasing & profiting from the deaths of black people.

https://nypost.com/2021/04/10/inside-blm-co-founder-patrisse-khan-cullors-real-estate-buying-binge/

Try posting that link into Facebook. They have banned it!

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Offline Vertigo Swirl

BLM's objective is to buy luxury homes in predominantly white areas by ambulance chasing & profiting from the deaths of black people.

https://nypost.com/2021/04/10/inside-blm-co-founder-patrisse-khan-cullors-real-estate-buying-binge/

Try posting that link into Facebook. They have banned it!
I guess you'd need to be able to show that the following is a pack of lies, with proof before anyone can take the allegations of profiteering and enrichment off the back of dead black people too seriously.

 the Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation issued the following statement to The Post:

“Patrisse Cullors is the Executive Director of Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation (BLMGNF). She serves in this role in a volunteer capacity and does not receive a salary or benefits. Patrisse has received a total of $120,000 since the organization’s inception in 2013, for duties such as serving as spokesperson and engaging in political education work. Patrisse did not receive any compensation after 2019. 

“To be abundantly clear, as a registered 501c3, BLMGNF cannot and did not commit any organizational resources toward the purchase of personal property by any employee or volunteer. Any insinuation or assertion to the contrary is categorically false.

“Patrisse’s work for Black people over the years has made her and others who align with the fight for Black liberation targets of racist violence. The narratives being spread about Patrisse have been generated by right-wing forces intent on reducing the support and influence of a movement that is larger than any one organization. This right-wing offensive not only puts Patrisse, her child and her loved ones in harm’s way, it also continues a tradition of terror by white supremacists against Black activists. All Black activists know the fear these malicious and serious actions are meant to instill: the fear of being silenced, the trauma of being targeted, the torture of feeling one’s family is exposed to danger just for speaking out against unjust systems. We have seen this tactic of terror time and again, but our movement will not be silenced.”

So, notwithstanding the allegation of personal enrichment, what are the actual stated aims of BLM?
ANGER MAKES US AWARE OF INJUSTICE
We often experience anger when we are denied rights or when faced with insults, disrespect, injustice, or exploitation. Anger serves as an internal guidance system that indicates something is not quite right, that someone has treated us unjustly or unfairly. Anger helps communicate to others: “You’d better treat me fairly; otherwise, you’ll pay a high cost.” On a global level, standing up for a lack of fairness can prevent people from taking advantage of others. This type of anger can bring about positive change in society and increase the social cost of misbehaving.
The value of anger https://www.goodtherapy.org/blog/value-of-anger-16-reasons-its-good-to-get-angry-0313175

Offline Wonderfulspam

I guess you'd need to be able to show that the following is a pack of lies, with proof before anyone can take the allegations of profiteering and enrichment off the back of dead black people too seriously.

 the Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation issued the following statement to The Post:

“Patrisse Cullors is the Executive Director of Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation (BLMGNF). She serves in this role in a volunteer capacity and does not receive a salary or benefits. Patrisse has received a total of $120,000 since the organization’s inception in 2013, for duties such as serving as spokesperson and engaging in political education work. Patrisse did not receive any compensation after 2019. 

“To be abundantly clear, as a registered 501c3, BLMGNF cannot and did not commit any organizational resources toward the purchase of personal property by any employee or volunteer. Any insinuation or assertion to the contrary is categorically false.

“Patrisse’s work for Black people over the years has made her and others who align with the fight for Black liberation targets of racist violence. The narratives being spread about Patrisse have been generated by right-wing forces intent on reducing the support and influence of a movement that is larger than any one organization. This right-wing offensive not only puts Patrisse, her child and her loved ones in harm’s way, it also continues a tradition of terror by white supremacists against Black activists. All Black activists know the fear these malicious and serious actions are meant to instill: the fear of being silenced, the trauma of being targeted, the torture of feeling one’s family is exposed to danger just for speaking out against unjust systems. We have seen this tactic of terror time and again, but our movement will not be silenced.”


Her own supporters are asking questions of BLM & where the money is going.


'How much of her money is actually going to charitable causes?' Head of NYC BLM chapter calls for probe into organization's co-founder as it's revealed 'she has spent $3MILLION on FOUR luxury homes'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9458259/Head-NYCs-BLM-chapter-calls-probe-founder-purchased-expensive-homes.html


Here's Mike Brown's Father who claims to have received the princely sum of $500 from BLM:

'Why hasn't my family's foundation received any assistance from the movement?'

'Who are they giving it to and what are they doing with it?'


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9325837/Michael-Browns-father-Ferguson-activists-demand-20m-BLM.html


Tamir Rice's Mother has accused them of profiting from the dead...

Black Lives Matter activists denounced by mothers of victims for exploiting deaths of Tamir Rice and others killed by police

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2021/03/20/blma-m20.html
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Offline Vertigo Swirl


Her own supporters are asking questions of BLM & where the money is going.


'How much of her money is actually going to charitable causes?' Head of NYC BLM chapter calls for probe into organization's co-founder as it's revealed 'she has spent $3MILLION on FOUR luxury homes'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9458259/Head-NYCs-BLM-chapter-calls-probe-founder-purchased-expensive-homes.html


Here's Mike Brown's Father who claims to have received the princely sum of $500 from BLM:

'Why hasn't my family's foundation received any assistance from the movement?'

'Who are they giving it to and what are they doing with it?'


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9325837/Michael-Browns-father-Ferguson-activists-demand-20m-BLM.html


Tamir Rice's Mother has accused them of profiting from the dead...

Black Lives Matter activists denounced by mothers of victims for exploiting deaths of Tamir Rice and others killed by police

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2021/03/20/blma-m20.html
So no actual evidence just suspicions, well I guess if the right-wing mud sticks then you have nothing to worry about.  Support for BLM will fade away and all will be well again.  Most ardent, strident socialists are terrible hypocrites as well, that's a given, bleating on about poverty and injustice while boasting about their expensive designer handbags and looking down their noses at White Van Man and people who shop in Aldi and Lidl.
ANGER MAKES US AWARE OF INJUSTICE
We often experience anger when we are denied rights or when faced with insults, disrespect, injustice, or exploitation. Anger serves as an internal guidance system that indicates something is not quite right, that someone has treated us unjustly or unfairly. Anger helps communicate to others: “You’d better treat me fairly; otherwise, you’ll pay a high cost.” On a global level, standing up for a lack of fairness can prevent people from taking advantage of others. This type of anger can bring about positive change in society and increase the social cost of misbehaving.
The value of anger https://www.goodtherapy.org/blog/value-of-anger-16-reasons-its-good-to-get-angry-0313175

Offline Wonderfulspam

So no actual evidence just suspicions, well I guess if the right-wing mud sticks then you have nothing to worry about.  Support for BLM will fade away and all will be well again.  Most ardent, strident socialists are terrible hypocrites as well, that's a given, bleating on about poverty and injustice while boasting about their expensive designer handbags and looking down their noses at White Van Man and people who shop in Aldi and Lidl.

I very much doubt the head of the NYC BLM chapter is right wing & he has his questions about BLM funds.

BLM raised over $90 million last year.

Where are the Black Lives Matter community centres????

They exploited the death of Mike Brown since 2014 & gave his fathers local organisation $500 in return.

Ferguson Missouri was looted & burned to the ground, businesses are still too afraid to open there. (Can't say I blame them though, one dead black person you had no involvement in killing & your shop is toast).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXeIYoVGBPM
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

I very much doubt the head of the NYC BLM chapter is right wing & he has his questions about BLM funds.

BLM raised over $90 million last year.

Where are the Black Lives Matter community centres????

They exploited the death of Mike Brown since 2014 & gave his fathers local organisation $500 in return.

Ferguson Missouri was looted & burned to the ground, businesses are still too afraid to open there. (Can't say I blame them though, one dead black person you had no involvement in killing & your shop is toast).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXeIYoVGBPM
Curious to know why you care so much about this?  It will all come out in the wash.  It usually does.  As it impacts precisely 0% on my life I find it hard to get that aereated about it tbh. 
ANGER MAKES US AWARE OF INJUSTICE
We often experience anger when we are denied rights or when faced with insults, disrespect, injustice, or exploitation. Anger serves as an internal guidance system that indicates something is not quite right, that someone has treated us unjustly or unfairly. Anger helps communicate to others: “You’d better treat me fairly; otherwise, you’ll pay a high cost.” On a global level, standing up for a lack of fairness can prevent people from taking advantage of others. This type of anger can bring about positive change in society and increase the social cost of misbehaving.
The value of anger https://www.goodtherapy.org/blog/value-of-anger-16-reasons-its-good-to-get-angry-0313175

Offline Wonderfulspam

Curious to know why you care so much about this?  It will all come out in the wash.  It usually does.  As it impacts precisely 0% on my life I find it hard to get that aereated about it tbh.

It's just an interest of mine.

The rioting & mob justice mentality of mostly peaceful protesters chanting Black Lives Matter, whilst burning down black owned businesses.

It's going to be an interesting week, as we can expect a verdict in the Chauvin case.

Will there be riots, or will the conviction of Chauvin for the highest possible charge be the catalyst for peace, love & harmony between criminals & the law?
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Offline Angelo222

I very much doubt the head of the NYC BLM chapter is right wing & he has his questions about BLM funds.

BLM raised over $90 million last year.

Where are the Black Lives Matter community centres????

They exploited the death of Mike Brown since 2014 & gave his fathers local organisation $500 in return.

Ferguson Missouri was looted & burned to the ground, businesses are still too afraid to open there. (Can't say I blame them though, one dead black person you had no involvement in killing & your shop is toast).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXeIYoVGBPM

The United States of America is the architect of its own demise. This has been building for decades and they did nothing about it. Let's hope the UK government don't make the same mistake.
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De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

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