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Offline mrswah

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Re: Should Colin Pitchfork be released from prison?
« Reply #15 on: July 19, 2021, 04:24:56 PM »
Why?

Why is murdering a child especially worse than murdering an adult or an OAP ?

As a matter of law, i don't think it is.

But, come on-----cutting short a young , innocent life?

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Re: Should Colin Pitchfork be released from prison?
« Reply #16 on: July 19, 2021, 05:04:06 PM »
As a matter of law, i don't think it is.

But, come on-----cutting short a young , innocent life?
Don’t feed it, really.
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Re: Should Colin Pitchfork be released from prison?
« Reply #17 on: July 19, 2021, 06:04:25 PM »
As a matter of law, i don't think it is.

But, come on-----cutting short a young , innocent life?

I don't see the difference with cutting short an older innocent life myself.

I don't think it's any less terrible to murder someone the day before their 16th/18th birthday than it is to do it one day after.

Presumably, for some, the younger someone is, the more dreadful the crime.

Which must make abortion the worst type of murder possible.
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Re: Should Colin Pitchfork be released from prison?
« Reply #18 on: July 19, 2021, 06:52:00 PM »
Let’s revisit what I actually said shall we?

“ I think that in some cases parole for murder can be considered, but in cases of pre-meditated sexual murder, particularly of children - no way Jose”

So I was talking about pre-meditated sexual murder cases, not just any old murder and not abortion, so let’s get that straight for one.  I mean some people would suggest that the rape of a baby was by some measure worse than the rape of an 80 year old woman.  I expect the resident troll will disagree as he seems to support the idea of legslising paedophilia.
ANGER MAKES US AWARE OF INJUSTICE
We often experience anger when we are denied rights or when faced with insults, disrespect, injustice, or exploitation. Anger serves as an internal guidance system that indicates something is not quite right, that someone has treated us unjustly or unfairly. Anger helps communicate to others: “You’d better treat me fairly; otherwise, you’ll pay a high cost.” On a global level, standing up for a lack of fairness can prevent people from taking advantage of others. This type of anger can bring about positive change in society and increase the social cost of misbehaving.
The value of anger https://www.goodtherapy.org/blog/value-of-anger-16-reasons-its-good-to-get-angry-0313175

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Re: Should Colin Pitchfork be released from prison?
« Reply #19 on: July 19, 2021, 07:12:59 PM »
Let’s revisit what I actually said shall we?

“ I think that in some cases parole for murder can be considered, but in cases of pre-meditated sexual murder, particularly of children - no way Jose”

So I was talking about pre-meditated sexual murder cases, not just any old murder and not abortion, so let’s get that straight for one.  I mean some people would suggest that the rape of a baby was by some measure worse than the rape of an 80 year old woman.  I expect the resident troll will disagree as he seems to support the idea of legslising paedophilia.

Yes, I did cover that it was premeditated sexual murder in question with my own question regarding Her Majesty & Prince George, which I never got an answer for.

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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Should Colin Pitchfork be released from prison?
« Reply #20 on: July 19, 2021, 07:25:07 PM »
Yes, I did cover that it was premeditated sexual murder in question with my own question regarding Her Majesty & Prince George, which I never got an answer for.
Troll questions don’t merit replies.
ANGER MAKES US AWARE OF INJUSTICE
We often experience anger when we are denied rights or when faced with insults, disrespect, injustice, or exploitation. Anger serves as an internal guidance system that indicates something is not quite right, that someone has treated us unjustly or unfairly. Anger helps communicate to others: “You’d better treat me fairly; otherwise, you’ll pay a high cost.” On a global level, standing up for a lack of fairness can prevent people from taking advantage of others. This type of anger can bring about positive change in society and increase the social cost of misbehaving.
The value of anger https://www.goodtherapy.org/blog/value-of-anger-16-reasons-its-good-to-get-angry-0313175

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Re: Should Colin Pitchfork be released from prison?
« Reply #21 on: July 19, 2021, 07:34:41 PM »
Troll questions don’t merit replies.

The answer is that George's killer should never get parole because George was so young & innocent.

Her Majesty's killer however should be eligible for parole in about 25 years because, let's face it, she was 95 & didn't have much longer left anyway.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Should Colin Pitchfork be released from prison?
« Reply #22 on: July 19, 2021, 07:41:50 PM »
and that dear reader is why you should never feed the troll.
ANGER MAKES US AWARE OF INJUSTICE
We often experience anger when we are denied rights or when faced with insults, disrespect, injustice, or exploitation. Anger serves as an internal guidance system that indicates something is not quite right, that someone has treated us unjustly or unfairly. Anger helps communicate to others: “You’d better treat me fairly; otherwise, you’ll pay a high cost.” On a global level, standing up for a lack of fairness can prevent people from taking advantage of others. This type of anger can bring about positive change in society and increase the social cost of misbehaving.
The value of anger https://www.goodtherapy.org/blog/value-of-anger-16-reasons-its-good-to-get-angry-0313175

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Re: Should Colin Pitchfork be released from prison?
« Reply #23 on: July 23, 2021, 10:28:11 AM »
I believe, in general, that convicted people should have another chance to lead a normal  life, even if they were guilty of murder. However, that should not (IMO) apply if there is any chance that the person is still a danger to the public, or a danger to certain members of the public (eg their own families).

I don't know the statistics, but I would imagine some "lifers" convicted of murder have been released, and have not reoffended. In those cases, prison has done its job----punishment and rehabilitation.  I see nothing wrong with that.

However, there are others who have been released and have gone on to reoffend. That is the overwhelming problem. Parole boards, like everybody else, can get it disastrously wrong.

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Re: Should Colin Pitchfork be released from prison?
« Reply #24 on: July 23, 2021, 11:05:46 AM »
They have said his restrictions and monitoring even without the SOR would be very strict.

Having spoken to people on life licence I would hope his monitoring is different to theirs.

I agree though some murderers have successfully been reintegrated back into society and can give something back.

Not a decision I would want to make.

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Re: Should Colin Pitchfork be released from prison?
« Reply #25 on: July 23, 2021, 02:12:05 PM »
They have said his restrictions and monitoring even without the SOR would be very strict.

Having spoken to people on life licence I would hope his monitoring is different to theirs.

I agree though some murderers have successfully been reintegrated back into society and can give something back.

Not a decision I would want to make.
Yes, Leslie Grantham was a murderer who was reintegrated into society and gave us "Dirty Den".  He remained dirty until the end too.  That said I think there is a difference between the murder he committed (which I believe was during an armed robbery) and the murders committed by Colin Pitchfork.  Did Grantham plan murder and to cause as much terror and pain to his victim before committing the murder?  No.  I think Grantham was bad, but Pitchfork was (is) much worse.
ANGER MAKES US AWARE OF INJUSTICE
We often experience anger when we are denied rights or when faced with insults, disrespect, injustice, or exploitation. Anger serves as an internal guidance system that indicates something is not quite right, that someone has treated us unjustly or unfairly. Anger helps communicate to others: “You’d better treat me fairly; otherwise, you’ll pay a high cost.” On a global level, standing up for a lack of fairness can prevent people from taking advantage of others. This type of anger can bring about positive change in society and increase the social cost of misbehaving.
The value of anger https://www.goodtherapy.org/blog/value-of-anger-16-reasons-its-good-to-get-angry-0313175

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Re: Should Colin Pitchfork be released from prison?
« Reply #26 on: July 23, 2021, 02:20:40 PM »

So you could say Leslie Grantham was an ex-murderer.
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Re: Should Colin Pitchfork be released from prison?
« Reply #27 on: July 23, 2021, 02:38:34 PM »
Yes, Leslie Grantham was a murderer who was reintegrated into society and gave us "Dirty Den".  He remained dirty until the end too.  That said I think there is a difference between the murder he committed (which I believe was during an armed robbery) and the murders committed by Colin Pitchfork.  Did Grantham plan murder and to cause as much terror and pain to his victim before committing the murder?  No.  I think Grantham was bad, but Pitchfork was (is) much worse.

I agree Pitchfork is much worse. The feelings are running so high regarding his crimes it does make you wonder where they could safely house him

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Should Colin Pitchfork be released from prison?
« Reply #28 on: July 23, 2021, 02:41:37 PM »
I agree Pitchfork is much worse. The feelings are running so high regarding his crimes it does make you wonder where they could safely house him
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ANGER MAKES US AWARE OF INJUSTICE
We often experience anger when we are denied rights or when faced with insults, disrespect, injustice, or exploitation. Anger serves as an internal guidance system that indicates something is not quite right, that someone has treated us unjustly or unfairly. Anger helps communicate to others: “You’d better treat me fairly; otherwise, you’ll pay a high cost.” On a global level, standing up for a lack of fairness can prevent people from taking advantage of others. This type of anger can bring about positive change in society and increase the social cost of misbehaving.
The value of anger https://www.goodtherapy.org/blog/value-of-anger-16-reasons-its-good-to-get-angry-0313175

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Re: Should Colin Pitchfork be released from prison?
« Reply #29 on: July 23, 2021, 02:42:41 PM »
So you could say Leslie Grantham was an ex-murderer.
Only inasmuch as you could say that the Norwegian Blue is an ex-parrot.
ANGER MAKES US AWARE OF INJUSTICE
We often experience anger when we are denied rights or when faced with insults, disrespect, injustice, or exploitation. Anger serves as an internal guidance system that indicates something is not quite right, that someone has treated us unjustly or unfairly. Anger helps communicate to others: “You’d better treat me fairly; otherwise, you’ll pay a high cost.” On a global level, standing up for a lack of fairness can prevent people from taking advantage of others. This type of anger can bring about positive change in society and increase the social cost of misbehaving.
The value of anger https://www.goodtherapy.org/blog/value-of-anger-16-reasons-its-good-to-get-angry-0313175