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Offline Nicholas

Re: Is DR Sandra Lean a credible source?
« Reply #165 on: May 13, 2021, 11:19:06 AM »
I’d be interested to hear from Gordon Graham on Sandra Lean’s lack of credibility - does he still post here?
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Is DR Sandra Lean a credible source?
« Reply #166 on: May 13, 2021, 11:23:44 AM »
Does anyone know what case Sandra Lean was involved with in 2002 .- Stephen Manning?

Since 2002 Sandra has felt compelled to help innocent victims who have suffered a major injustice. Without payment, she has spent thousands of hours going through evidence and trial transcripts with a fine toothed comb, helping the legal teams out with her time and expertise. She does this because she is passionate about helping these falsely accused and wrongfully convicted people in any way she can, and because she is appalled that the British Judicial system is as flawed as it is, letting so many people down (P.Hughes)
https://miscarriageofjustice.wordpress.com/about/


Who is P Hughs ?

‘I’m Sandra Lean. Since 2003, I have studied injustice in the UK. I’ve worked with individuals, families, campaign groups, media personnel, experts, specialists and members of the public, to try to raise awareness of the terrible flaws at the heart of our Justice Systems.
https://longroadtojustice.com/about
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Is DR Sandra Lean a credible source?
« Reply #167 on: May 13, 2021, 11:46:48 AM »
Sandra Lean
‘Luke's words about those who believe mainstream and still trust the justice system

‘Murder in a small town’ was ‘mainstream’

Anyone trusting Sandra Lean after the Adrian Prout, Simon Hall and Matthew Hamlen fiascos seriously need to give their heads a wobble

And then there’s Killer Nicholas (Nick) Rose - who’s inquest is yet to be heard

Found death in prison days after ‘Helens Law victory’ announced https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7038437/Killers-wont-say-hid-victims-bodies-set-serve-time-bars.html

⬆️ Excerpt Top of p.131 from ‘Hidden in plain view’ by Sandra Lean
Another family told of their shock at discovering the existence of witnesses, who had seen the claimed murder victim, alive and well, after the supposed time of death, but who were not asked to give statements to the police. Clearly, if such statements did not exist in police files, then they could not be disclosed to the defence.

Then there’s convicted murderer Jordan Cunliffe ⬇️

P.131
The Role of Victims
’The existence of such apparently clear safeguards not only feeds public perceptions that the CJS is fair and properly regulated, but, in more recent times, has become a supporting feature in claims that criminals have more rights than victims.
Public perceptions and government policy have continued to shift in a more punitive, retributive direction, with concepts of the rights of „victims‟ and „offenders‟ increasingly portrayed as being in direct opposition – victims should have more rights, offenders should have less, victims‟ rights should come first before any consideration (if at all) should be given to offenders rights. The centrality of the role of the victim was first specifically included in public policy in the Government‟s White Paper „Justice for All‟ in 2002, with a claim that reform would put victims and witnesses at the heart of the criminal justice system, and re-balance the system in favour of victims of crime. Eight years later, Helen Newlove, the widow of Gary Newlove, a murder victim, was given a peerage after almost three years of campaigning against binge drinking and “gangs,‟ a high profile „cementing‟ of the role of victims „at the heart of the justice system.‟

The definition of “victims,‟ however, remains reserved for a particular type of „victim‟: one of the youths convicted for Mr Newlove‟s murder is 16 year old Jordan Cunliffe, who suffers degenerative eye condition „Keratoconus‟ which renders him virtually blind41. The prosecution, under Joint Enterprise doctrine, holds that Jordan should have „known or reasonably anticipated‟ that the boys he was with that evening were likely to kick Mr Newlove to death (it is agreed that Jordan took no part in the attack) and he should have done something to stop them. The campaign to highlight the conviction of an innocent, disabled youth has received virtually no mainstream media coverage, and for almost two years, from before trial to after the first appeal, the media were banned from reporting on Jordan‟s disability.


Agreed by who?

Para 55.
Mr Weatherby submitted that there was nothing in the evidence to show that Jordan Cunliffe was a participant at the time of the fatal blow. This submission is untenable. The witnesses Domville and Bate placed him with the group at the outset. Tracey Cassidy and Zoe Newlove described the actions of the group of which Jordan Cunliffe was a part. The evidence as a whole showed that he was participating throughout the incident involving Mr Newlove.[/b]
https://prisons.org.uk/cunliffevCCRC.pdf

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Offline Nicholas

Re: Is DR Sandra Lean a credible source?
« Reply #168 on: May 13, 2021, 11:53:10 AM »
Quite disturbing is it not? - What level of intellect do we have here.

Alongside Luke Mitchell wearing his replacement parka jacket ⬇️

MR: ‘Does this look to anyone like he was capable of that violent, frenzied, cold blooded, evil killer??
This picture to me is someone crying inside, hurting, and grieving for his poor girlfriend??
WHY CANT THE SYSTEM HAVE SAW WHAT WE ALL SEE, ITS BLATANTLY OBVIOUS!!!!’
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Is DR Sandra Lean a credible source?
« Reply #169 on: May 13, 2021, 12:57:54 PM »
What a turn out indeed - from the wannabe and has been gangsters. Shocking is it not that some did not wait around for the infamous Steele? Do they all repent to the almighty God for their very shady pasts----------that they speak of? Out of those 5k? amigos, a fraction decided to brave the horrendous weather. (less than 50) To hell with LM it would seen, his mother did not attend, not even a video message of support?  One may like having their vile rants online (very little yet again) but obviously not strong enough in their support to brave the elements, to have Scotland awash with yellow ribbons. And does he seem to be taken credit for the ribbon? The ribbon idea stemming from the Mitchells, not the amigos. It was his mother (via him) that suggested the ribbon. The song is about a guilty person who is coming to the end of their time in prison? - A yellow ribbon on a Oak Tree? The very type LM gave name to, of where the body of his girlfriend was left beside?

Is LM controlling easily those who wish blindly to be led?  - "to not just feel safe but to be safe?" Ms Lean is no fool. I don't believe for one second she understands any of the evidence that came from the Mitchells, that she uses what one see's here - with those gaping holes and shoring? Attempting to turn this around onto the investigation side. To draw away from what she clearly sees, and wishes no others to be drawn to? Has she been given exclusive rights? as part of a deal? Did this falling out, the drift between the Mitchells happen when Ms Leans purpose had failed at this point. Now to be taken over by these Glasgow gangsters. Whom one would doubt, yet again neither care or are interested enough, in the actual evidence that convicted LM. They are out for the police - a lifetime of them fighting the system, of their various crimes. It's not about guilt, it is about avoidance is it not? Of getting away with it?

And it is evident that this support stems now mainly from the west - the Steele supporters who have merrily jumped onto the Mitchell case. How heavily may LM have gotten into drugs on the inside? We hear of JS's fight and addiction of his shame in keeping it from his family. His friendship with LM - The word of an addict is highly reliable, is it not? Of a mind controlled by heavy abuse of class A drugs? new books afloat - let us add some of this high profile killer into the mix? - what better for sales?

This criminologist and reporter from the link just shared - of this serial killer. That need to talk to reveal, fits LM to the letter T. His interview, inadvertently drawing the finger to himself. Of the hair fastener, the tree, the socks and the clothing. Of leading this girls family right to her mutilated body---------- Of taking control of those interview - telling the police how to do their job - And of that cool collectiveness, that flat voice, that had nothing to do with his claimed cocktail of prescribed drugs. - LM is controlling still is he not? - each and every one of them?

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Offline Nicholas

Re: Is DR Sandra Lean a credible source?
« Reply #170 on: May 13, 2021, 01:06:23 PM »
What a turn out indeed - from the wannabe and has been gangsters. Shocking is it not that some did not wait around for the infamous Steele? Do they all repent to the almighty God for their very shady pasts----------that they speak of? Out of those 5k? amigos, a fraction decided to brave the horrendous weather. (less than 50) To hell with LM it would seen, his mother did not attend, not even a video message of support?  One may like having their vile rants online (very little yet again) but obviously not strong enough in their support to brave the elements, to have Scotland awash with yellow ribbons. And does he seem to be taken credit for the ribbon? The ribbon idea stemming from the Mitchells, not the amigos. It was his mother (via him) that suggested the ribbon. The song is about a guilty person who is coming to the end of their time in prison? - A yellow ribbon on a Oak Tree? The very type LM gave name to, of where the body of his girlfriend was left beside?

Is LM controlling easily those who wish blindly to be led?  - "to not just feel safe but to be safe?" Ms Lean is no fool. I don't believe for one second she understands any of the evidence that came from the Mitchells, that she uses what one see's here - with those gaping holes and shoring? Attempting to turn this around onto the investigation side. To draw away from what she clearly sees, and wishes no others to be drawn to? Has she been given exclusive rights? as part of a deal? Did this falling out, the drift between the Mitchells happen when Ms Leans purpose had failed at this point. Now to be taken over by these Glasgow gangsters. Whom one would doubt, yet again neither care or are interested enough, in the actual evidence that convicted LM. They are out for the police - a lifetime of them fighting the system, of their various crimes. It's not about guilt, it is about avoidance is it not? Of getting away with it?

And it is evident that this support stems now mainly from the west - the Steele supporters who have merrily jumped onto the Mitchell case. How heavily may LM have gotten into drugs on the inside? We hear of JS's fight and addiction of his shame in keeping it from his family. His friendship with LM - The word of an addict is highly reliable, is it not? Of a mind controlled by heavy abuse of class A drugs? new books afloat - let us add some of this high profile killer into the mix? - what better for sales?

This criminologist and reporter from the link just shared - of this serial killer. That need to talk to reveal, fits LM to the letter T. His interview, inadvertently drawing the finger to himself. Of the hair fastener, the tree, the socks and the clothing. Of leading this girls family right to her mutilated body---------- Of taking control of those interview - telling the police how to do their job - And of that cool collectiveness, that flat voice, that had nothing to do with his claimed cocktail of prescribed drugs. - LM is controlling still is he not? - each and every one of them?

⬇️

LT: Why is there inhouse arguing between the different groups? I thought we were all on the same page and fighting for the same cause?

JT: We r all one other group blocked me I cannot think why but they still use my stuff so hey ho all in this together to promote Sandra and get Luke out

HM: no wonder you wer blocked have you or any of the other admins and moderators  read what you are posting   You are going to cause damage to this group we are here to fight for Luke no to promote sandra and I’m sure sandra will understand what I’m talking about and another thing the press are in here watching what’s getting posted  so if your no going to post anything concerning Luke’s fight in a positive way  then don’t post  at all ..  getting sick of it   

JT: who rattled your wee cage this morning checking in on my mental health before attacking me folk like you getting us all sacked and giving us more mental health probs than we have already there u go you wanted to come get me here I am I promot groups and businesses making my connections through algorithms and platforms would you like some

⬆️  ⬇️ This women - JT - is the individual seemingly promoting the vandals and their graffiti

JT: Still so devastating saw him every day going to school or trying to get a bus and live his life as normal as he could after the trauma he had just been through and his loss mental health shattered at 14 who cares what he was didn’t make him slane his gf in a 2 sec attack 1000 folk it could have been or more but never checked don’t worry police 👮‍♀️ when you come to arrest me for protest 🪧 the way I want too my list is so long you will be sending me home soz joke 👍👍
#keeptalkingtillukeiswalking
Mental health awareness week you better keep an eye on me soz another joke 😆🎗🦋 MA hope you enjoyed your we jolly at the caravan sorry I couldn’t visit still waiting for S to arrive x LDA you too xx 😘 will catch up with you all when she is finally here XX 💋
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Is DR Sandra Lean a credible source?
« Reply #171 on: May 13, 2021, 02:51:42 PM »
What a turn out indeed - from the wannabe and has been gangsters. Shocking is it not that some did not wait around for the infamous Steele? Do they all repent to the almighty God for their very shady pasts----------that they speak of? Out of those 5k? amigos, a fraction decided to brave the horrendous weather. (less than 50) To hell with LM it would seen, his mother did not attend, not even a video message of support?  One may like having their vile rants online (very little yet again) but obviously not strong enough in their support to brave the elements, to have Scotland awash with yellow ribbons. And does he seem to be taken credit for the ribbon? The ribbon idea stemming from the Mitchells, not the amigos. It was his mother (via him) that suggested the ribbon. The song is about a guilty person who is coming to the end of their time in prison? - A yellow ribbon on a Oak Tree? The very type LM gave name to, of where the body of his girlfriend was left beside?

Is LM controlling easily those who wish blindly to be led?  - "to not just feel safe but to be safe?" Ms Lean is no fool. I don't believe for one second she understands any of the evidence that came from the Mitchells, that she uses what one see's here - with those gaping holes and shoring? Attempting to turn this around onto the investigation side. To draw away from what she clearly sees, and wishes no others to be drawn to? Has she been given exclusive rights? as part of a deal? Did this falling out, the drift between the Mitchells happen when Ms Leans purpose had failed at this point. Now to be taken over by these Glasgow gangsters. Whom one would doubt, yet again neither care or are interested enough, in the actual evidence that convicted LM. They are out for the police - a lifetime of them fighting the system, of their various crimes. It's not about guilt, it is about avoidance is it not? Of getting away with it?

And it is evident that this support stems now mainly from the west - the Steele supporters who have merrily jumped onto the Mitchell case. How heavily may LM have gotten into drugs on the inside? We hear of JS's fight and addiction of his shame in keeping it from his family. His friendship with LM - The word of an addict is highly reliable, is it not? Of a mind controlled by heavy abuse of class A drugs? new books afloat - let us add some of this high profile killer into the mix? - what better for sales?

This criminologist and reporter from the link just shared - of this serial killer. That need to talk to reveal, fits LM to the letter T. His interview, inadvertently drawing the finger to himself. Of the hair fastener, the tree, the socks and the clothing. Of leading this girls family right to her mutilated body---------- Of taking control of those interview - telling the police how to do their job - And of that cool collectiveness, that flat voice, that had nothing to do with his claimed cocktail of prescribed drugs. - LM is controlling still is he not? - each and every one of them?

GM:
It's gonna take a good while but havin Johnnyboy Steele  backing him he knows what he's doing next legend of a man 👍👍
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Re: Is DR Sandra Lean a credible source?
« Reply #172 on: May 13, 2021, 02:53:34 PM »
⬇️

LT: Why is there inhouse arguing between the different groups? I thought we were all on the same page and fighting for the same cause?

JT: We r all one other group blocked me I cannot think why but they still use my stuff so hey ho all in this together to promote Sandra and get Luke out

HM: no wonder you wer blocked have you or any of the other admins and moderators  read what you are posting   You are going to cause damage to this group we are here to fight for Luke no to promote sandra and I’m sure sandra will understand what I’m talking about and another thing the press are in here watching what’s getting posted  so if your no going to post anything concerning Luke’s fight in a positive way  then don’t post  at all ..  getting sick of it   

JT: who rattled your wee cage this morning checking in on my mental health before attacking me folk like you getting us all sacked and giving us more mental health probs than we have already there u go you wanted to come get me here I am I promot groups and businesses making my connections through algorithms and platforms would you like some

⬆️  ⬇️ This women - JT - is the individual seemingly promoting the vandals and their graffiti

JT: Still so devastating saw him every day going to school or trying to get a bus and live his life as normal as he could after the trauma he had just been through and his loss mental health shattered at 14 who cares what he was didn’t make him slane his gf in a 2 sec attack 1000 folk it could have been or more but never checked don’t worry police 👮‍♀️ when you come to arrest me for protest 🪧 the way I want too my list is so long you will be sending me home soz joke 👍👍
#keeptalkingtillukeiswalking
Mental health awareness week you better keep an eye on me soz another joke 😆🎗🦋 MA hope you enjoyed your we jolly at the caravan sorry I couldn’t visit still waiting for S to arrive x LDA you too xx 😘 will catch up with you all when she is finally here XX 💋


Where does this conversation come from??

Offline Nicholas

Re: Is DR Sandra Lean a credible source?
« Reply #173 on: May 13, 2021, 03:13:24 PM »
P.131
The Role of Victims
’The existence of such apparently clear safeguards not only feeds public perceptions that the CJS is fair and properly regulated, but, in more recent times, has become a supporting feature in claims that criminals have more rights than victims.
Public perceptions and government policy have continued to shift in a more punitive, retributive direction, with concepts of the rights of „victims‟ and „offenders‟ increasingly portrayed as being in direct opposition – victims should have more rights, offenders should have less, victims‟ rights should come first before any consideration (if at all) should be given to offenders rights. The centrality of the role of the victim was first specifically included in public policy in the Government‟s White Paper „Justice for All‟ in 2002, with a claim that reform would put victims and witnesses at the heart of the criminal justice system, and re-balance the system in favour of victims of crime. Eight years later, Helen Newlove, the widow of Gary Newlove, a murder victim, was given a peerage after almost three years of campaigning against binge drinking and “gangs,‟ a high profile „cementing‟ of the role of victims „at the heart of the justice system.‟

The definition of “victims,‟ however, remains reserved for a particular type of „victim‟: one of the youths convicted for Mr Newlove‟s murder is 16 year old Jordan Cunliffe, who suffers degenerative eye condition „Keratoconus‟ which renders him virtually blind41. The prosecution, under Joint Enterprise doctrine, holds that Jordan should have „known or reasonably anticipated‟ that the boys he was with that evening were likely to kick Mr Newlove to death (it is agreed that Jordan took no part in the attack) and he should have done something to stop them. The campaign to highlight the conviction of an innocent, disabled youth has received virtually no mainstream media coverage, and for almost two years, from before trial to after the first appeal, the media were banned from reporting on Jordan‟s disability.


Agreed by who?

Para 55.
Mr Weatherby submitted that there was nothing in the evidence to show that Jordan Cunliffe was a participant at the time of the fatal blow. This submission is untenable. The witnesses Domville and Bate placed him with the group at the outset. Tracey Cassidy and Zoe Newlove described the actions of the group of which Jordan Cunliffe was a part. The evidence as a whole showed that he was participating throughout the incident involving Mr Newlove.[/b]
https://prisons.org.uk/cunliffevCCRC.pdf

Sandra Lean
‘The campaign to highlight the conviction of an innocent, disabled youth has received virtually no mainstream media coverage,


Because Jordan Cunliffe is not innocent !
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Is DR Sandra Lean a credible source?
« Reply #174 on: May 13, 2021, 04:35:36 PM »
I’d be interested to hear from Gordon Graham on Sandra Lean’s lack of credibility - does he still post here?

PN: ‘Puzzled about something if stocky man was known to jodi, why was he walking behind her and not with her ??? Was he trying to catch up, surely he could have shouted wait for me !!

Gordon Graham: ‘I think he was sent after her either to watch her or to make sure she got to where she was suppose to be going. It would depend on what happened before hand as to whether she wanted that.

 *&^^&
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Offline WakeyWakey

Re: Is DR Sandra Lean a credible source?
« Reply #175 on: May 14, 2021, 01:54:41 AM »
To hell with LM it would seen, his mother did not attend, not even a video message of support?

his entire family were conspicuous in their absence.

will consider sandra lean a credible source if or when she has the spine to name who allegedly confessed, and who  her informant of the alleged confession was. think i'll be waiting for a while

Offline Nicholas

Re: Is DR Sandra Lean a credible source?
« Reply #176 on: May 14, 2021, 08:46:39 AM »
his entire family were conspicuous in their absence.

will consider sandra lean a credible source if or when she has the spine to name who allegedly confessed, and who  her informant of the alleged confession was. think i'll be waiting for a while

James English
Have you ever had any from from the police come forward and say that they’ve made a mistake or anyone from the courts to say we think we’ve made a mistake have you ever had anybody

Corinne Mitchell,
Sandra had a cop come and that’s how we he gave her the the gist about the confession ‘cos it was him who actually took the confession

James English
‘And that’s never been put forward for - and people watching this might be thinking arh that doesn’t seem right but again joe steel who agin was on the show had they had the confession of the because they had....’

 *&^^&
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Is DR Sandra Lean a credible source?
« Reply #177 on: May 14, 2021, 11:26:22 AM »
Corinne Mitchell
‘But they didn’t bank on Luke being Luke’

‘And what annoyed them was he was more intelligent than what they were
 
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Is DR Sandra Lean a credible source?
« Reply #178 on: May 14, 2021, 12:10:34 PM »
TA: ‘When you choose journalism as a career you have 2 choices:
1. Dedicate your career to uncovering the truth, sift out every piece spurious you come across, to make sure you only deal with facts and credible information from credible sources.
2. Leave your morals at the door and try every under hand tactic you can to undercover the truth. Then use this information and twist it and turn it to make the narrative you desire fit. Sprinkle in one or two small facts. Add a sensational headline all of which will translate into gargantuan sales figures as a result of brain washing their loyal readers and reeling in more readers by printing bold catching salacious headlines.
What would you choose? Which one would be easier?
Journalists are like Robin-hoods in reverse stealing from the poor and feeding the rich. Instead of money they destroy innocent lives instead.


Sandra Lean
If only it were that simple, Thora Allan. Our next generation journalists go through a four year degree course, completely unaware that they're being "groomed" (I chose the word carefully) to launch their careers on a basis of what appears to be accepted "academic" knowledge and understanding. Four years later, the good ones walk away in disgust and those left do what they can "within the system." It's changing - I know, I've met the journalism students either  nearing the end of their degrees or ready to walk away, who've told me- there's got to be a better way than this. And they're beginning to find that better way. Mainstream will take a while to catch up - and that will be their downfall.


Says the biggest groomer of them all  *&^^&

Sandra would you say parents ‘groom’ their children and where does ‘grooming’ start and end?


Sandra Lean
Thora Allan Freelancers are both the core and the outliers!! MSM pretty much got rid of their salaried staff and made them all "self employed" - so they're freelancers, but  not really?
Journalism graduates are expected to do a couple of years traineeships (mostly unpaid, or for expenses only) to get some experience - how are they supposed to survive while they get the experience that will get them any sort of "reputation" - and on and on it goes.
If MSM outlets have paid off their salaried staff, then clearly they're filling their places with unpaid (or underpaid) graduates to produce the "rivers of ink" that fill their pages every day.
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Offline Parky41

Re: Is DR Sandra Lean a credible source?
« Reply #179 on: May 14, 2021, 12:25:26 PM »
PN: ‘Puzzled about something if stocky man was known to jodi, why was he walking behind her and not with her ??? Was he trying to catch up, surely he could have shouted wait for me !!

Gordon Graham: ‘I think he was sent after her either to watch her or to make sure she got to where she was suppose to be going. It would depend on what happened before hand as to whether she wanted that.

 *&^^&


And some have sense to ask - as what is being suggested, regardless of which way one may look at in, however many options of nonsense are pushed out. That it is completely ludicrous to tie this stocky man in with someone who knew this girl. But we do not have to of course. As there has been nothing in the slightest - to confirm that this was Jodi herself. It matters not, how many times Ms Lean may wish to push DF to the background in all of this - that his team of highly professional bodies looked over every inch of these possible sightings. The excuses - DF could not use any of this as they were not inclusive of the prosecution case. That there was no funding - the usual guff of course: As we know DF included part of a witness statement in respect of the duo on the bike - of a witness that was no inclusive of the trial itself as in being called to give evidence.

We know that DF had asked the boys on the bike - why was your bike up against this wall, close to the V break? - "I dunno?" You see, he did have this statement from the Basically Tool Hire place. The witness was not called of course. He did however attempt to use it, as he had it and he wanted to disperse doubt amongst the Jury. He is the defence after all. He knew this claimed sighting was both impossible and it had not been confirmed for reliability. - But he did not introduce any "possible" sightings of this girl nor that of this Stocky man - for he had seen all of the information on it. He knew these had not been confirmed, that they held no water. There was absolutely nothing to show - that Jodi had left home after 5pm. That she was being "followed" by anyone and most definitely not by her brother, or sisters boyfriend, JF or anyone else. Again we are being asked ("the willfully ignorant") To ignore everything and everyone else to concentrate on Ms Leans slim to nil possibilities of all and everything. Really?

It takes very little common sense to realise - That there was definitely no confirmed sightings of Jodi walking to this path to meet with Luke. If there had been they would simply have been used. By both sides. First of all, when one wants to talk stitch ups - would it have mattered moving AB a couple of minutes forward - and this possible sighting of Jodi a couple of minutes back to tie together. For that is the reality here. One it was not confirmed as Jodi thus not used. If it had been confirmed as her it would simply have been used. And IF it had been a positive sighting, and there was anything at all of substance - that could have shown the sighting by AB to be wrong - It would have been used - Plain and simple. DF would have done to AO, JuJ and anyone else what he did to the duo on the bike - any means to show that Jodi had not left her house shortly after 4.50pm. There simply was nothing to use. There was absolutely nothing in these claims - That Jodi had left much later, that she was being "followed". Irrespective of the press (they hate).There had been possible sightings of a male, walking along in the direction of Morris Road, possibly at the same time as Jodi. Not following - absolute nonsense. - Makes it sound the part however - doesn't it?

This stocky man is nothing more than a smoke screen - for those willing to soak any piece of nonsense up. We know an appeal was put out when witness's first came forward - and we know once the girl with the buggy came forward all changed - perhaps Ms Lean needs to show her statement? We know one witness had gotten her day/ time and ID of the stocky man completely wrong. And DF knew why all the information, ID and timings of this stocky man were also wrong - Not Ms Lean though. One must ignore every other piece of evidence. It is irrelevant as they do not fit with Ms Leans theories - those ever so accurate fictional pieces of narrative? "those rivers of ink?"