Trans Rights and the Labour Party

[Miss Taken Identity]

Sorry but if you’re in the toilet with the door closed how can you tell who is waiting outside ?

If there is only one toilet it is meant for the use of everyone. If there are disabled and non disabled toilets then the disabled toilets are for disabled people, not you. How clearer does that have to be ?

Okay so as I understand it you wouldn’t use a disabled space if you didn’t have a disabled member of your family with you. Why not ? What’s the difference between a disabled parking space and a disabled toilet ? It’s not against the law for non disabled people to use either.

Are you changing the script here?

"Sorry but if you’re in the toilet with the door closed how can you tell who is waiting outside ? "

 Disabled people don't queue? ok.

confusedmuch.com?  lol

"If there is only one toilet it is meant for the use of everyone."

Yes, and I can't see disabled people waiting because the door is closed. This makes me  a bad person right?  no?


"If there are disabled and non disabled toilets then the disabled toilets are for disabled people, not you."

You absolutely insist on not reading what I write.

I claimed: IF THERE IS ONLY ONE TOILET AND IT IS AN ACCESS TOILET AND I NEED THE LOO I WILL USE IT. read back I make this very clear.  I added my dentist only have an access toilet- I use it if I have to.

 How clearer does that have to be ?

Yes Faith  how clear do I have to make it indeed!

you are pointing a finger at me personally- trying to make me out to be selfish etc. That IMO is bad form indeed.


If I anyone wants to park in disabled space they can be fined in many car parks and council owned parks.  IF People want to use a disabled access toilet that is up to them.

[faithlilly]

Are you changing the script here?

"Sorry but if you’re in the toilet with the door closed how can you tell who is waiting outside ? "

 Disabled people don't queue? ok.

confusedmuch.com?  lol

"If there is only one toilet it is meant for the use of everyone."

Yes, and I can't see disabled people waiting because the door is closed. This makes me  a bad person right?  no?


"If there are disabled and non disabled toilets then the disabled toilets are for disabled people, not you."

You absolutely insist on not reading what I write.

I claimed: IF THERE IS ONLY ONE TOILET AND IT IS AN ACCESS TOILET AND I NEED THE LOO I WILL USE IT. read back I make this very clear.  I added my dentist only have an access toilet- I use it if I have to.

 How clearer does that have to be ?

Yes Faith  how clear do I have to make it indeed!

you are pointing a finger at me personally- trying to make me out to be selfish etc. That IMO is bad form indeed.


If I anyone wants to park in disabled space they can be fined in many car parks and council owned parks.  IF People want to use a disabled access toilet that is up to them.

Disabled people don’t queue ? If a selfish non disabled individual is using the toilet then the disabled person will have to wait until it is vacant. I don’t believe I used the word queue.

‘Yes, and I can't see disabled people waiting because the door is closed. This makes me  a bad person right?  no?’

Absolutely no idea what this means.

You really are trying to change the goalposts. You said that if you had to use a disabled toilet you would...now it’s if you had to use a toilet that everyone is entitled to use anyway, like in your dentists, then you would. Bit of a discrepancy there.

[Miss Taken Identity]

Disabled people don’t queue ? If a selfish non disabled individual is using the toilet then the disabled person will have to wait until it is vacant. I don’t believe I used the word queue.

‘Yes, and I can't see disabled people waiting because the door is closed. This makes me  a bad person right?  no?’

Absolutely no idea what this means.

You really are trying to change the goalposts. You said that if you had to use a disabled toilet you would...now it’s if you had to use a toilet that everyone is entitled to use anyway, like in your dentists, then you would. Bit of a discrepancy there.

I just don't get your argument here Faith.  I really don't.

one disabled toilet  3 disabled bodies people need to use it,  that is not a queue? The person in side does not know there is a queue as the door is closed. Therefore disabled people have to wait! Does it matter if an abled bodied person is using it or a disabled person is using it they still have to wait!

Firstly there are no disabled toilets. they are access enabled and in some places they only have one or three of these. I will use one if needs be.  if someone is waiting I will let them go first obviously.  If there are ladies and Gents and a disabled toilet I use the ladies. so I don't know what your trying to achieve.  If you want to call me selfish and intolerant then I am OK with that. I and many would disagree.

It would be really good if you would stop putting your scenarios onto me personally. I think that that is poor debating skill. IMO

[faithlilly]

I just don't get your argument here Faith.  I really don't.

one disabled toilet  3 disabled bodies people need to use it,  that is not a queue? The person in side does not know there is a queue as the door is closed. Therefore disabled people have to wait! Does it matter if an abled bodied person is using it or a disabled person is using it they still have to wait!

Firstly there are no disabled toilets. they are access enabled and in some places they only have one or three of these. I will use one if needs be.  if someone is waiting I will let them go first obviously.  If there are ladies and Gents and a disabled toilet I use the ladies. so I don't know what your trying to achieve.  If you want to call me selfish and intolerant then I am OK with that. I and many would disagree.

It would be really good if you would stop putting your scenarios onto me personally. I think that that is poor debating skill. IMO

Now you are not only changing the goalposts but relocating to another pitch entirely. I suggest you read your posts again to remind yourself of what you actually did say because you seem somewhat confused.

I posted a link that set out very eloquently why the use of disabled toilets by able bodied people limits the independence of disabled people. You chose to dismiss that opinion because it didn’t agree with yours, which is becoming something of a habit with you. Most able bodied people appreciate the difficulties disabled people have in accessing facilities that they take for granted and act accordingly....unfortunately you are not one of them.

[Miss Taken Identity]

Now you are not only changing the goalposts but relocating to another pitch entirely. I suggest you read your posts again to remind yourself of what you actually did say because you seem somewhat confused.

I posted a link that set out very eloquently why the use of disabled toilets by able bodied people limits the independence of disabled people. You chose to dismiss that opinion because it didn’t agree with yours, which is becoming something of a habit with you. Most able bodied people appreciate the difficulties disabled people have in accessing facilities that they take for granted and act accordingly....unfortunately you are not one of them.

What is it ab out this post you do not understand Faith?


I claimed: IF THERE IS ONLY ONE TOILET AND IT IS AN ACCESS TOILET AND I NEED THE LOO I WILL USE IT. read back I make this very clear.  I added my dentist only have an access toilet- I use it if I have to.


" Most able bodied people appreciate the difficulties disabled people have in accessing facilities that they take for granted and act accordingly.."

 Yes and I said

"some places they only have one or three of these. I will use one if needs be- If there are ladies and Gents and a disabled toilet I use the ladies "

and then you come back with  I am not one of them? 

You made a claim about disabled people waiting. that is a moot point as I explained . some times there is a queue for the disabled toilet by disabled people. I should Know 3 Members of my extended family have severe disabilities.

You really do not like people having a different opinion to you. you are using this thread to try and show me up like all good socialist do. Create criminals over nothing.

[faithlilly]

What is it ab out this post you do not understand Faith?


I claimed: IF THERE IS ONLY ONE TOILET AND IT IS AN ACCESS TOILET AND I NEED THE LOO I WILL USE IT. read back I make this very clear.  I added my dentist only have an access toilet- I use it if I have to.


" Most able bodied people appreciate the difficulties disabled people have in accessing facilities that they take for granted and act accordingly.."

 Yes and I said

"some places they only have one or three of these. I will use one if needs be- If there are ladies and Gents and a disabled toilet I use the ladies "

and then you come back with  I am not one of them? 

You made a claim about disabled people waiting. that is a moot point as I explained . some times there is a queue for the disabled toilet by disabled people. I should Know 3 Members of my extended family have severe disabilities.

You really do not like people having a different opinion to you. you are using this thread to try and show me up like all good socialist do. Create criminals over nothing.

You are showing yourself up I’m afraid.

[Miss Taken Identity]

You are showing yourself up I’m afraid.

I am sure others reading the posts can see quite clearly you have tried to pin a selfish name tag on me.  Accusing me to using disabled toilets when I have no right to do so, thus denying disabled people access to toilets, says more about you than me TBH.

That is what you tolerant people do. Place people into boxes and  try to undermine and humiliate. Only works on some people- some of the time. On this occasion- with this person- you lose.

[Venturi Swirl]

Should trans women be allowed to take part in women’s sports competitons?

[Venturi Swirl]

According to Dawn Butler, a Labour MP, children are born “without sex”.  Who knew?!

[faithlilly]

I am sure others reading the posts can see quite clearly you have tried to pin a selfish name tag on me.  Accusing me to using disabled toilets when I have no right to do so, thus denying disabled people access to toilets, says more about you than me TBH.

That is what you tolerant people do. Place people into boxes and  try to undermine and humiliate. Only works on some people- some of the time. On this occasion- with this person- you lose.

I’m sure others reading your posts will make up their own minds. They need no help from me.

[Miss Taken Identity]

According to Dawn Butler, a Labour MP, children are born “without sex”.  Who knew?!

and maybe her children were born without sex. Mine most definitely  male  and female.

" I’m sure others reading your posts will make up their own minds. They need no help from me."

Now, now don't be so coy. take credit where it is due. you tried your best to give them a nod- with your posts.

[Venturi Swirl]

Proof that the Woke World we live in really has gone mad

https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2020/07/13/jos-cervical-cancer-charity-trans-non-binary-smear-test-intersex-transphobia-gender-identity/

[Wonderfulspam]

There are only two genders.

When is straight pride month ?

[Miss Taken Identity]

Proof that the Woke World we live in really has gone mad

https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2020/07/13/jos-cervical-cancer-charity-trans-non-binary-smear-test-intersex-transphobia-gender-identity/

Trans phobic lmao!

Men do NOT have a cervix therefor can't get cervical cancer!  end of!
Women who identify as a man does have a cervix because 'HE' is a woman.

There must be a word for those little minorities who hate straight folks apart from calling us transphobic. How about they are hetrophobes...