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Re: The Trial Of Derek Chauvin, Death Of George Floyd
« Reply #405 on: June 11, 2021, 11:03:40 PM »
Maybe Chauvin thought he'd get a medal for it. Happens all the time and no one cares until recently it would seem or maybe people have always cared but this was the last straw and because of internet, the world watching  etc. ordinary people can now say to the world, look at this. This is what so many black Americans before us were talking about but there was only mainstream media. No choices. Two or three television stations in the UK and heavily monitored radio. I don't know about the rest of the world and the media available. I read earlier that someone said the policeman made a stupid mistake. Sitting on a person until they are dead is not a stupid mistake. Forgetting to lock my van is.

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« Reply #406 on: June 11, 2021, 11:37:22 PM »
Maybe Chauvin thought he'd get a medal for it. Happens all the time and no one cares until recently it would seem or maybe people have always cared but this was the last straw and because of internet, the world watching  etc. ordinary people can now say to the world, look at this. This is what so many black Americans before us were talking about but there was only mainstream media. No choices. Two or three television stations in the UK and heavily monitored radio. I don't know about the rest of the world and the media available. I read earlier that someone said the policeman made a stupid mistake. Sitting on a person until they are dead is not a stupid mistake. Forgetting to lock my van is.

"Forgetting to lock my van is".....

.......especially if you live in a black neighbourhood.
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Re: The Trial Of Derek Chauvin, Death Of George Floyd
« Reply #407 on: June 14, 2021, 04:02:21 PM »
#BREAKING: The defense attorney for Derek Chauvin has filed a motion asking for a new trial for the former police officer who was found guilty in the murder of George Floyd, citing juror misconduct and denying a change of venue.  https://8.wfla.com/33m50WF


I'm Sure I read somewhere that it didn't help his case that the police paid out 72 million pounds compensation to the 'family' before he was convicted which could have given the wrong message to any juror. I will try and find that.

I do believe he played a part in Floyds death, but the responsibility rests with the man himself for being a criminal and trying to resist arrest. IMO  this was NOT a race crime. BLM just got their 'messiah' at the right time.
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Re: The Trial Of Derek Chauvin, Death Of George Floyd
« Reply #408 on: July 09, 2021, 05:42:26 PM »

I'm Sure I read somewhere that it didn't help his case that the police paid out 72 million pounds compensation to the 'family' before he was convicted which could have given the wrong message to any juror. I will try and find that.

I do believe he played a part in Floyds death, but the responsibility rests with the man himself for being a criminal and trying to resist arrest. IMO  this was NOT a race crime. BLM just got their 'messiah' at the right time.

I don't believe his criminal record and his resistance to arrest make him responsible for his own death. Not at all. His killer was the man who literally squeezed the life out of him. As for black Americans getting their messiah at the right time,  I wonder if GF would like to be a living criminal or a dead god?

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Re: The Trial Of Derek Chauvin, Death Of George Floyd
« Reply #409 on: July 09, 2021, 05:52:27 PM »
Maybe Chauvin thought he'd get a medal for it. Happens all the time and no one cares until recently it would seem or maybe people have always cared but this was the last straw and because of internet, the world watching  etc. ordinary people can now say to the world, look at this. This is what so many black Americans before us were talking about but there was only mainstream media. No choices. Two or three television stations in the UK and heavily monitored radio. I don't know about the rest of the world and the media available. I read earlier that someone said the policeman made a stupid mistake. Sitting on a person until they are dead is not a stupid mistake. Forgetting to lock my van is.

Well said.

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« Reply #410 on: July 12, 2021, 12:51:42 AM »

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« Reply #411 on: July 12, 2021, 12:53:34 AM »
Well said.
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Re: The Trial Of Derek Chauvin, Death Of George Floyd
« Reply #412 on: July 12, 2021, 12:56:20 AM »
"Forgetting to lock my van is".....

.......especially if you live in a black neighbourhood.

I didn't mean that forgetting to lock my van in a black neighbourhood is a mistake. I meant forgetting to lock my van is.

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Re: The Trial Of Derek Chauvin, Death Of George Floyd
« Reply #413 on: July 12, 2021, 01:12:14 AM »
Have you ever arrested a really big guy on drugs in the middle of a dangerous thoroughfare with a mob standing on the kerb howling abuse at you?
 
There were more than one arresting that really big guy. They looked like they were doing fine. Chauvin certainly didn't have to kill him. Floyd was under control way before his death.

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Re: The Trial Of Derek Chauvin, Death Of George Floyd
« Reply #414 on: January 25, 2022, 10:08:24 PM »

George Floyd: Federal civil rights trial of three ex-officers begins.

A federal civil rights trial for three US ex-police officers indicted in the murder of George Floyd has begun in Minneapolis.

J Alexander Kueng, Thomas Lane and Tou Thao helped senior officer Derek Chauvin detain Mr Floyd for allegedly handing a counterfeit bill.

Chauvin was filmed pressing his knee into the unarmed black man's neck for more than nine minutes before he died.

His death, filmed by a bystander, led to global protests in 2020.

Chauvin was convicted last June of murder and is currently serving time in state prison. In December, he pleaded guilty to federal charges of violating Mr Floyd's civil rights, averting a second trial.

Federal prosecutors allege the officers "wilfully deprived" Mr Floyd of his civil liberties during the attempted arrest and have submitted a list of 48 witnesses they could call to the stand.

Jury selection was completed in a single day on Thursday. The court expects to begin opening arguments next Monday with a full bench of 12 jurors and six alternates.

Two of the selected jurors appear to be Asian and the others are white, according to the Minneapolis Star-Tribune newspaper. The selected jury are composed of five men and seven women.

Judge Paul Magnuson questioned one juror on whether his daughter's involvement in protests in the wake of Mr Floyd's death would allow him to remain impartial. When the man said it would not affect his judgement, the judge responded that his granddaughter also "kind of got caught" up in the same thing, the newspaper reported.

The three men will also face their own state charges - for aiding and abetting Chauvin - in a separate trial later this year.

Here is what we know about the four former police officers and the charges they face.



Thomas Lane

What was his role?

Mr Lane, 38, was one of the first two officers called to the shop reporting a counterfeit $20 bill. At the scene, he approached Mr Floyd's car, pointed his gun at him and handcuffed him. He later allegedly held a struggling Mr Floyd's feet as Chauvin and Mr Kueng restrained him on the ground.

What are the charges?

He has been charged with one count of depriving Mr Floyd of his civil rights using "the colour of the law", including that he ignored the arrestee's "right to be free from a police officer's deliberate indifference to his serious medical needs".

What's his background?

Mr Lane became a cadet at the police department in February 2019, but started working for the force just four days prior to Mr Floyd's death.

His training officer was Chauvin. A criminal complaint against Mr Lane claims he questioned Chauvin's tactics during the arrest of Mr Floyd, asking: "Should we roll him on his side?"

The ex-officer had no track record of complaints.

A criminology graduate from the University of Minnesota, Mr Lane used to work as a guard at a juvenile detention centre and volunteered to mentor Somali school children.



J Alexander Kueng

What was his role?

Mr Kueng, 27, was first on the scene with Mr Lane. He helped Chauvin and Mr Lane pin Mr Floyd to the floor. He was also the first to find Mr Floyd no longer had a pulse.

What are the charges?

He faces two counts of using "the colour of the law" to deprive Mr Floyd of his civil rights, including that he "wilfully failed to intervene" to stop Chauvin using his knee on the arrestee's neck.

What's his background?

Like Mr Lane, Mr Kueng was relatively new to policing, entering the force in Minneapolis in February 2019 as a cadet.

According to a New York Times profile, Mr Kueng - whose mother is white and father is Nigerian - believed "diversity could force change in a Police Department long accused of racism".

He and Mr Lane graduated in the same recruit class and were promoted to officers in December 2019, with Chauvin as their field training officer. There were no previous complaints against him.

The death of Mr Floyd happened on his third shift.

Mr Kueng, who also speaks Russian, attended the University of Minnesota, where he studied sociology.



Tou Thao

What was his role?

Mr Thao, 35, stood near the other three officers while they restrained Mr Floyd. He stood between the officers and bystanders, telling the growing crowd to keep its distance.

What are the charges?

He also faces two counts of using "the colour of the law" to deprive Mr Floyd of his civil rights.

What's his background?

Mr Thao - a Hmong American - completed his police academy training in 2009 but was laid off when the force made budget cuts. He re-joined as an officer in 2012.

Up to his sacking, Mr Thao had six conduct complaints on his record. Five were closed without discipline and one was open at the time of his firing, but no details have been made public about any of the complaints.

Food service and security are among the sectors Mr Thao previously worked in.



Derek Chauvin

What was his role?

Chauvin, 45, was filmed kneeling on Mr Floyd's neck while he was handcuffed on the floor repeatedly pleading "I can't breathe".

What are the charges?

Chauvin was charged with second-degree murder, third-degree murder and second-degree manslaughter. He was convicted on all three counts and was sentenced last June to 22-and-a-half years in state prison. He is appealing his state murder conviction.

In December 2021, he pleaded guilty to federal civil rights charges stemming from the Floyd incident and an unrelated 2017 case of unreasonable force. Federal prosecutors have recommended a 25-year sentence.

What's his background?

Chauvin was the most senior officer involved in Mr Floyd's arrest, serving for almost 19 years with the Minneapolis Police Department.

Records from the Minneapolis Police Department's Internal Affairs Division reportedly show at least 15 conduct complaints against him. Most were closed without disciplinary action.

In 2006, Chauvin was recommended for a medal of valour for his role in the shooting of a man who aimed a shotgun at officers.

Prior to his career in the police, Chauvin served two stints in the US Army, as a member of the military police.

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Re: The Trial Of Derek Chauvin, Death Of George Floyd
« Reply #415 on: January 25, 2022, 10:20:06 PM »

Of the 3 (former) officers who assisted Chauvin, Thomas Lane has the least worst defence & mitigation imo.

It was his 4th day on the job, he twice asked "should we roll him on his side" but was ignored by his superior & when Floyd was finally taken into the ambulance he went in with him & did chest compressions.

I think all 3 will be found guilty but Lane may receive a slightly lesser sentence than the others.



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