Poll - Scent Dogs Accuracy

[slartibartfast]

Based on the prosecution case & what we know about cadaver dogs, which part of the sentence do you feel is not factual?

Unless,you actually say why it is an opinion.

[misty]

Unless,you actually say why it is an opinion.

It is a fact that Hernandez provided a testimony which was used in court against him, saying that Etan was still alive when he abandoned him on the sidewalk in a box.
It is a fact that cadaver dogs should not alert to remnant scent of a living human.
How is that opinion?

[Robittybob1]

Based on the prosecution case & what we know about cadaver dogs, which part of the sentence do you feel is not factual?

Anything I feel about the facts of the matter would also be opinion.

[Robittybob1]

It is a fact that Hernandez provided a testimony which was used in court against him, saying that Etan was still alive when he abandoned him on the sidewalk in a box.
It is a fact that cadaver dogs should not alert to remnant scent of a living human.
How is that opinion?

You can put a living person into a box "alive" but unless there is sufficient oxygen that person is not going to stay alive for long.  Once that formerly living person dies then cadaver odours would develop.  Thinking about it by dying in such a fashion, the body temperature would be up and the insulation provided by the box would cause rapid decomposition of the body (i.e. comparatively  rapid cadaver odour development would be the outcome) IMO.

[misty]

You can put a living person into a box "alive" but unless there is sufficient oxygen that person is not going to stay alive for long.  Once that formerly living person dies then cadaver odours would develop.  Thinking about it by dying in such a fashion, the body temperature would be up and the insulation provided by the box would cause rapid decomposition of the body (i.e. comparatively  rapid cadaver odour development would be the outcome) IMO.

That opinion is not consistent with the confession used against Hernandez in court. Was the confession unreliable or did the cadaver dog alert to the remnant scent of someone/something other than Etan?

[Robittybob1]

That opinion is not consistent with the confession used against Hernandez in court. Was the confession unreliable or did the cadaver dog alert to the remnant scent of someone/something other than Etan?

What part was inconsistent with the confession?

[misty]

What part was inconsistent with the confession?

The cadaver dog alert in the basement.

[pathfinder73]

The police believe he was strangled to death in the basement then wrapped and put inside a box there re cadaver dog alert.

[misty]

The police believe he was strangled to death in the basement then wrapped and put inside a box there re cadaver dog alert.

Was it because it suited the police to believe that?

https://www.thedailybeast.com/etan-patz-case-cops-dismissed-suspects-confession-before

[pathfinder73]

Dogs are regularly tested and if they fail they are out. They would trust a professional dog alert that corroborates with other evidence over a lying murderer. The dog in the Zapata case also alerted 25 years later to cadaver scent. These are not strange coincidences but dog's doing their job right.

[Robittybob1]

The cadaver dog alert in the basement.

In the confession it said "Pedro Hernandez, a former bodega stock clerk who confessed to luring 6-year-old Etan Patz into a basement and attacking him, ..."  So if in that attack EP bled onto the floor of the basement and that blood decomposed after it soaked into the woodwork (say) that could be the source of the cadaver odour in the basement even though the child is said to be still alive in the box out on the pavement.

[sadie]

In the confession it said "Pedro Hernandez, a former bodega stock clerk who confessed to luring 6-year-old Etan Patz into a basement and attacking him, ..."  So if in that attack EP bled onto the floor of the basement and that blood decomposed after it soaked into the woodwork (say) that could be the source of the cadaver odour in the basement even though the child is said to be still alive in the box out on the pavement.

But according to my understanding, Rob, that is not correct.

That would be blood from a living person that had since dried.  There would be no cadavar odour in that blood even later.  A blood dog might have alerted to it, but not a Cadavar dog.

Please correct me, if I am wrong.

[misty]

Dogs are regularly tested and if they fail they are out. They would trust a professional dog alert that corroborates with other evidence over a lying murderer. The dog in the Zapata case also alerted 25 years later to cadaver scent. These are not strange coincidences but dog's doing their job right.

Who tests US dogs, Pathfinder?

[Robittybob1]

But according to my understanding, Rob, that is not correct.

That would be blood from a living person that had since dried.  There would be no cadavar odour in that blood even later.  A blood dog might have alerted to it, but not a Cadavar dog.

Please correct me, if I am wrong.

I am certain you are wrong Sadie. Blood split could dry on a surface.  It would have to be a thin layer but if it got into a crevice between floor boards or tiles it would be unable to dry and it could go rotten. 

[John]

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