http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-501093/McCanns-arrested-abandoning-Madeleine-missing-childrens-boss-says.html
As the Portuguese Association for Missing Children was launched to find eight children who have gone missing from Portugal - though not Madeleine - Mr Pereira Cristovao - told the Portuguese newspaper 24 Horas: "We didn't invite the McCanns because they are suspects."
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-501093/McCanns-arrested-abandoning-Madeleine-missing-childrens-boss-says.html#ixzz3TKvnZ9eX
??? ... am I reading that correctly? Cristovao was heading an organisation set up to find children who have gone missing in Portugal ... which excluded Madeleine McCann.
If there are those who think this man is Off Topic where Madeleine McCann is concerned, it seems obvious he did not consider he had no locus in her case ... to the extent of trying to ensure she was not looked for.
Seems it must have been set up post Sept 07 when the Mccanns were suspects of hiding a body so why should they be included and if the police thought Madeleine was not alive, why would he launch any campaign to find her? As opposed to children where the police thought they were genuinely missing.?
Madeleine's details are now on the APCD site as a Missing Child. (I have no idea when they were added).that's not helpful to Brietta and co
that's not helpful to Brietta and co
It is helpful to know that a Portuguese Association now recognises that Madeleine is still missing & not officially dead.
Cristovao was not in the PJ when the Association was formed. I doubt his interest in unsolved alleged child abduction cases has gone unnoticed by those who matter, though.
I don't really care if it's not important to this case, no offence
It's very relevant to the case, considering he wrote a fictional version of Madeleine's disappearance which was published before the files were released to the public. Much of his story bears remarkable similarity to information contained within the secret files - an indication that someone from within the PJ had collaborated with him.
It's very relevant to the case, considering he wrote a fictional version of Madeleine's disappearance which was published before the files were released to the public. Much of his story bears remarkable similarity to information contained within the secret files - an indication that someone from within the PJ had collaborated with him.
Which 'secret files' well not so secret now files are you referring to Misty?
Posted by portugalpress on June 25, 2015
Flamboyant former Sporting FC vice-president admits to being criminal mastermind
- See more at: http://portugalresident.com/flamboyant-former-sporting-fc-vice-president-admits-to-being-criminal-mastermind#sthash.NK2L7enz.dpuf
His arrest shocked the nation in March - not only for the crimes allegedly involved, but for the fact that Paulo Pereira Cristóvão was a media high-flyer.
A former PJ detective, he went on to be a popular television commentator, president of Portugal’s association of missing children and even vice-president of one of Portugal’s top football clubs.
Thus what would have impelled him to become a ‘spy’ for a criminal gang that posed as policemen to raid VIP homes in and around Lisbon, baffled all and sundry.
But ‘spy’ he appears to have been.
According to news reports this morning, it was Pereira Cristóvão’s admission to being the brains behind at least two of the robberies which led super-judge Carlos Alexandre to deciding to let him leave the country’s now infamous Évora jail on an electronic bracelet.
Unlike fellow inmate former Socialist prime minister José Sócrates - whose disdain for jailbird bling has led him to remain behind bars through the sweltering Alentejo heat - Cristóvão appears to have had no such qualms, and is already reported to be back home in Lisbon.
He is unlikely to be stuck for things to do under house arrest, as he is still involved in another case against him - alleging criminal activities during his time at Sporting.
Cristóvão’s unlikely career includes penning a book centred on the disappearance of Madeleine McCann and being accused of torturing the mother of another missing Algarve child, in order to get a confession that she had been involved in the child’s death.
This latter event ended with Pereira Cristóvão and two other PJ colleagues being absolved.
The judicial ruling on the case was itself bizarre: “It is known that the agent of the crime (of torture) was an agent of the PJ but it has not been proved who practised the facts.”
Cristóvão was arrested over these latest allegations suspected of qualified robbery, kidnapping and criminal association. He spent three months in the cramped jail that has been the home of José Sócrates now for more than seven.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------His tongue has been loosened.
I'm not really sure I could ever grasp exactly what the Portuguese Justice System is all about.
Cristóvão has admitted to some very serious wrongdoing indeed ... and is allowed to leave jail with an electronic tag.
Bet all the victims of his crimes - are absolutely ecstatic about that.
I'm not really sure I could ever grasp exactly what the Portuguese Justice System is all about.
Cristóvão has admitted to some very serious wrongdoing indeed ... and is allowed to leave jail with an electronic tag.
Bet all the victims of his crimes - are absolutely ecstatic about that.
Amazing isn't it?
Paulo Pereira Cristóvão recusou falar na primeira sessão de julgamento, ao contrário da maior parte dos restantes arguidos do processo que julga associação criminosa, sequestro e roubos - entravam nas casas onde sabiam que havia dinheiro, simulavam ser uma busca domiciliária e em alguns casos apontaram armas de fogo às vítimas. Na passada sexta-feira, Pereira Cristóvão decidiu prestar declarações e assumiu, entre outros crimes, ter recebido 10 mil dos 80 mil euros levados de casa de um empresário de Cascais. No entanto, diz que se tratou de uma cobrança e não de um roubo. O julgamento começou em junho, em Lisboa, e tem 18 arguidos. Segundo o Ministério Público, os chefes do grupo eram o ex-vice presidente do Sporting, Mustafá, da Juve Leo, e ainda um traficante de droga chamado Celso ‘Kota’. O antigo dirigente leonino rejeita ter sido ser ele o mentor dos crimes - como foi dito por alguns dos arguidos, nomeadamente por Mustafá - e aponta o dedo a Celso ‘Kota’. Paulo Pereira Cristóvão refere no entanto que ficou com dez mil euros mas que pretende agora devolver o dinheiro desviado ao empresário. Relativamente ao assalto à casa de um homem ligado à Sociedade Lusa de Negócios, então detentora do BPN, Paulo Pereira Cristóvão segue pelo mesmo caminho e atribui a responsabilidades a Celso ‘Kota’. Neste caso, os assaltantes esperavam encontrar 3 a 4 milhões de euros e até levantaram o soalho da casa mas nada encontraram. Recorde-se que no processo estão ainda acusados dos mesmos crimes três agentes da PSP: Elói Fachada, Luís Conceição e Telma Freitas. Eram os operacionais do grupo. Entravam armados e fardados.
Ler mais em: http://www.cmjornal.pt/portugal/detalhe/ex-vice-presidente-do-sporting-confessa-crimes
Paulo Pereira Cristóvão refused to speak at the first court session, contrary to most of the other defendants in the process that considers criminal association, kidnapping and robbery - they entered the houses where they knew that there was money, they pretended to be a house search and in some cases they pointed weapons Of fire to the victims. Last Friday, Pereira Cristóvão decided to make statements and assumed, among other crimes, to have received 10 thousand of the 80 thousand euros taken from the home of a businessman from Cascais. However, it says that it was a charge and not a robbery. The trial began in June in Lisbon and has 18 defendants. According to the prosecution, the group's chiefs were former vice-president of Sporting, Mustafa, Juve Leo, and a drug dealer named Celso 'Kota'. The former leonine leader rejects being the mastermind of the crimes - as was said by some of the defendants, notably by Mustafa - and points the finger at Celso 'Kota'. Paulo Pereira Cristóvão, however, said that he had ten thousand euros but that he now intends to return the money diverted to the businessman. Regarding the assault on the house of a man linked to the Sociedade Lusa de Negócios, then owner of BPN, Paulo Pereira Cristóvão follows the same path and assigns responsibilities to Celso 'Kota'. In this case, the robbers expected to find 3 to 4 million euros and even raised the floor of the house but found nothing. It is recalled that in the process are also accused of the same crimes three agents of the PSP: Elói Fachada, Luís Conceição and Telma Freitas. They were the group's operatives. They entered armed and uniformed.
Read more at: http://www.cmjornal.pt/portugal/detalhe/ex-vice-presidente-do-sporting-confessa-crimes
Sorry reading for those who try to 'play down' the activities of criminal gangs in the Algarve ... this would appear to have been a particularly well informed one with current and past members of law enforcement playing active roles.
Well sourced, Misty.
There doesn't appear to be a great deal of information about it anywhere else.
Sorry reading for those who try to 'play down' the activities of criminal gangs in the Algarve ... this would appear to have been a particularly well informed one with current and past members of law enforcement playing active roles.You do realise that Cascais is near Lisbon? Which is why they are being tried in Lisbon. This is like saying criminal gangs in London means there are criminal gangs in John O'Groats or Land's End.
Well sourced, Misty.
There doesn't appear to be a great deal of information about it anywhere else.
Very interesting.
How many confirmed kidnappings of children under five years of age were this gang responsible for ?
You do realise that Cascais is near Lisbon? Why is why they are being tried in Lisbon. This is like saying criminal gangs in London means there are criminal gangs in John O'Groats or Land's End.
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Yes it is very interesting indeed. Particularly when one takes into consideration that the author, Paulo Pereira Cristóvão has specialised in writing books about kidnapped and missing children.
Perhaps since Paulo Pereira Cristóvão stands as one of the accused in this case your question might be better directed to him, perhaps through an approach to his lawyer as he is more likely to be able to answer your question than any member of this forum could.
I'll take it then that this gang operating nowhere near The Algarve did not nick any kids, as you can't come up with any cites.
I said "very interesting" in my earlier post on the basis I find it "very interesting" you persist with pieces such as this that have no practical link to the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Why would anyone be surprised at criminal gangs operating along The Algarve ?. With a large itinerant population there are plenty of pickings, there's plenty of resident dosh floating around and one suspects opportunities for contraband. The surprise to anyone who has been round the block more than once would be the absence of criminal gangs with a finger in the pie in such a setting.
I'll take it then that this gang operating nowhere near The Algarve did not nick any kids, as you can't come up with any cites.
I said "very interesting" in my earlier post on the basis I find it "very interesting" you persist with pieces such as this that have no practical link to the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Why would anyone be surprised at criminal gangs operating along The Algarve ?. With a large itinerant population there are plenty of pickings, there's plenty of resident dosh floating around and one suspects opportunities for contraband. The surprise to anyone who has been round the block more than once would be the absence of criminal gangs with a finger in the pie in such a setting.
There are criminal gangs in every country in the world.Lisbon. Not the Algarve.
In the case of this particular criminal gang in Portugal ... a country which is popular with Brits ... the intriguing aspect is the active involvement of serving and retired law enforcement officers.
Had one not made a name for himself in other cases we would never have heard of the heinous crimes of which the gang stand accused.
He really should have known much better than to interfere in football ... that really does appear to have been a step too far.
If you would care to take a quick look at the thread title you might notice that it refers to the exploits of Paulo Pereira Cristóvão.
The involvement of former senior and serving law enforcement officers in serious crime is in my opinion a lot more than "interesting" or "unsurprising".
Lisbon. Not the Algarve.
Well stap me Featherstonehaugh you don't say.
You've been peddling this geezer for a long time now. The question is to what end. In the Navy at one time it was called "laying smoke".
Come on humour a simpleton just what is your point?
Imagine the furore if Jane Tanner was given a parking ticket ... if you can't, your self description might actually be appropriate; I couldn't possibly pass judgement on that.
Lisbon, not the Algarve. Please cease and desist.
The criminal gang under discussion is a criminal gang whose members include the former prominent member of the Policia Judiciaria, Paulo Pereira Cristóvão ... as well as serving officers ... was active in Portugal.
Perhaps a bit naive to imagine they might not have had contacts and wide ranging enterprises throughout Portugal and beyond.
I doubt the criminality was confined to a particular region ... but that is a matter for the Portuguese authorities.
I can see why there are those who prefer that Paulo Pereira Cristóvão should just vanish into obscurity now that he has become such an embarrassment.
However that was not always the case, at one time he was a celebrated persona mainly due to the much admired, in some quarters, book he wrote about Madeleine McCann. Given what we now know of the criminal nature of the man it perhaps casts a totally different light on the day job and his media career.(http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/43nov10/gatalk.jpg)"The Internet and missing children - challenges for parents and children" is the title of the next lecture in Vila Real de Santo Antonio. It will be given by Paulo Pereira Cristovao and Goncalo Amaral.
On this occasion, Paulo Pereira Cristovao will also present his latest book, "They took me," inspired by real cases of missing children.
Original Source: O ALGARVE: TUESDAY 16 NOVEMBER 2010
Author: Susan de Sousa
Nov 16, 2010
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/43nov10/O_ALGARVE_16_11-10.htm
You do frequently, as you have just here and for the usual reason.
So in short you can't offer up any sort of cogent response. You could have said so, it is nothing to
be embarrassed about.
Obviously my response was not to your liking, but nothing new there. However, I am not obliged to respond to your rudeness which I now find rather tiresome, so please do not be offended should I ignore you in future.
It appears that events have proved and are proving Paulo Pereira Cristóvão to be a criminal of the worst sort. If you are content to obfuscate that fact, I am not.
Lisbon, not the Algarve. Please cease and desist.
Well poster to poster luv if you don't like the heat keep out of the kitchen. Put me on ignore if you must. It will be some respite at least from your feeble attempts to be this boards answer to Dorothy Parker.
Were you polite I would be similar. Your call.
Please take your own advice ... I do not require it.Perhaps you should provide a shred of evidence of criminal gangs trafficking 3 year olds on the Algarve in 2007. In the absence of this, please cease and desist.
Does it really matter where the head is when the tentacles are ubiquitous? Paulo Pereira Cristóvão is a criminal of the worst sort ... can you be assured that his activities are confined to one small area within Portugal.
Perhaps you should consider producing proof of that.
Perhaps you should provide a shred of evidence of criminal gangs trafficking 3 year olds on the Algarve in 2007. In the absence of this, please cease and desist.
As already pointed out to another member this thread concerns the criminal activities of Paulo Pereira Cristóvão so this is not the thread for the discussion you propose.
Unless you know different?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2537037/Scotland-Yard-corruption-leaked-report-claims-police-bribed-DESTROY-evidence-SLEPT-criminals-intimidated-witnesses.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2537037/Scotland-Yard-corruption-leaked-report-claims-police-bribed-DESTROY-evidence-SLEPT-criminals-intimidated-witnesses.html)
So where does that get us?
Off Topic?
Lisbon, not the Algarve. Please cease and desist.
Paulo Pereira Cristovao (PPC) was working with Amaral on the Joana Cipriano case just 7 miles from Pdl
IIRC he was also a reporter on a National newspaper who seemed to be able to get news and innuendo out about the Madeleine case. Swingers etc (please correct me if I am remembering this incorrectly)
Some thought that he had a direct link to the upper strata of PJ that dealt with the Madeleine case.
He wrote books about two missing children, Jona C and Madeleine M and made money on their backs
He was a friend of Amaral as can be seen by photos of them together
Enough there to link him to the Algarve, to Amaral and to the missing childrens /Madeleine cases
Paulo Pereira Cristovao (PPC) was working with Amaral on the Joana Cipriano case just 7 miles from PdlCriminal gangs on the Algarve! Please get realistic!
IIRC he was also a reporter on a National newspaper who seemed to be able to get news and innuendo out about the Madeleine case. Swingers etc (please correct me if I am remembering this incorrectly)
Some thought that he had a direct link to the upper strata of PJ that dealt with the Madeleine case.
He wrote books about two missing children, Jona C and Madeleine M and made money on their backs
He was a friend of Amaral as can be seen by photos of them together
Enough there to link him to the Algarve, to Amaral and to the missing childrens /Madeleine cases
Your above post is off topic.
Please confine future posts to ...
Former PJ inspector Paulo Pereira Cristovao arrested for armed robbery.
He doesn't half look like one of those E-Fits.Is that the Smithman E-fits?
Is that the Smithman E-fits?
Criminal gangs on the Algarve! Please get realistic!Where did I say Criminal Gangs in the Algarve? I didn't. However, undoubtedly there will be such.
Where did I say Criminal Gangs in the Algarve? I didn't. However, undoubtedly there will be such.
Smugglers will be operating along the coasts of the Algarve .... and possibly traffickers too.
As for Cristavao not having connections with the Algarve ... you have seen my post above, there are plenty of connections. Please get realistic !
.........and still nothing to do with the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
One has to wonder at the motives of someone who started the thread.
Please take your own advice ... I do not require it.
Does it really matter where the head is when the tentacles are ubiquitous? Paulo Pereira Cristóvão is a criminal of the worst sort ... can you be assured that his activities are confined to one small area within Portugal.
Perhaps you should consider producing proof of that.
That would be John, so perhaps you should take it up with him.
Paulo Pereira Cristóvão is a convicted criminal currently standing trial with other members of his gang (eighteen in total) accused of heinous crimes.
A reminder of what the eighteen are accused of ...
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The prosecutor indicted 18 defendants, including the former inspector of the Judicial Police Paulo Pereira Cristóvão and three officers of PSP, the practice of criminal association and other crimes, announced today the Attorney General's Office.
According to a note published today on the website of the Central Department of Investigation and Penal Action (DCIAP), the Public Ministry (MP) in the Central Department of Investigation and Penal Action (DCIAP), indicted 18 people for
the practice of criminal association crimes,
aggravated robbery,
kidnapping,
possession and prohibited weapon detention,
abuse of power,
violation of domicile per employee
and document forgery.
In the indictment, it is stated that the accused "acted in an organized and continuous way in time, planned and executed robberies in the Lisbon area and southern zone.
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http://www.tvi24.iol.pt/sociedade/paulo-pereira-cristovao/pereira-cristovao-e-tres-ex-agentes-da-psp-acusados-de-associacao-criminosa-e-outros-crimes
Paulo Pereira Cristóvão has admitted to receiving ten thousand Euros from the proceeds of one of the raids carried out by the gang.
Seems his 'cut' of the proceeds was a substantial one. It remains to be seen what the gang were charging for, or was it only the other seventeen who were robbing?
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Last Friday, Pereira Cristóvão decided to make statements and assumed, among other crimes, to have received 10 thousand of the 80 thousand euros taken from the home of a businessman from Cascais. However, it says that it was a charge and not a robbery.
End quote
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6218.msg370676#msg370676
Those who justify vilification of the McCann family and all who have the slightest contact with them by claiming the right to ask questions might have more credibility if they directed a few at Paulo Pereira Cristóvão.
One I wouldn't mind him answering is why he went out of his way to be associated with Madeleine McCann's case in the ways enumerated by Sadie.
I never said they were restricted. But your proof of Paulo Pereira Cristóvão's gang being ubiquitous in the strict sense of the word would be fascinating to behold I am sure.
Yet again nothing to do with Madeline's disappearance.
Now if I were John I would asking you why you started this thread.
Did you OK it as well ?
I never said they were restricted. But your proof of Paulo Pereira Cristóvão's gang being ubiquitous in the strict sense of the word would be fascinating to behold I am sure.
Sigh ... John started the thread from a post I made elsewhere. Just for information since it seems to trouble you ... I have never once started a thread on my own initiative.
Now, enough deflection ... back on topic if you please.
So what has this thread to do with Madeline's disappearance ?More than most posts you make!
Sigh squared.
More than most posts you make!
That was original bittybob. *&*%£You must know a question like that is too hard for me.
Tell me bittybob, what is the relevance of this thread to Madeline's disappearance ?
You must know a question like that is too hard for me.
As a point of reference, when I have started threads, I have been attacked/ or questioned as to why I posted them.The reason for that would seem quite obvious even to me.
The reason for that would seem quite obvious even to me.
Well it seems to me, that it is OK to question 'sceptics' posts or reasons for posting, but it is very naughty if Mccann supporters are asked the same questions. 8)-)))
The moral being of course, if you can't stand being questioned, don't post.
8((()*/
Former PJ inspector Paulo Pereira Cristovao arrested for armed robbery.
He was so too in March 2014 and was handed down a suspended sentence of four years and six months in May 2016.
What has happened that is new since then relating to Sr Cristovao ?
The four & a half year sentence was for previous crimes in the Casa Cardinal case.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=7267.0
He's a bit of a rogue!
Of that there is no doubt. Let's start a thread on every Portuguese rogue then, probably kicking off with Vasco da Gama as he was the architect of the Portuguese Colonial Empire and all Empires need rogues. Clive of India for example ran a protection racket in Shropshire/Staffordshire......... &%+((£
Did any of them pen a work of fiction involving a little girl called Madeleine?
You seem rather familiar with the life of Vasco.....
Do you reckon if Summers and Swann turned out to be a pair of criminal masterminds who got banged up for their crimes that such an eventuality would go unremarked by those now squealing about the irrelevance of Cristovao's misdemeanours? &%+((£
Indeed it would.Your post is the first to imply that [ IIRC ]
It seems that some posters on here are implying his involvement in Madeline's disappearance.
Now that borders on libel.
Do you reckon if Summers and Swann turned out to be a pair of criminal masterminds who got banged up for their crimes that such an eventuality would go unremarked by those now squealing about the irrelevance of Cristovao's misdemeanours? &%+((£Not the point I have been objecting to. It would appear that someone getting charged with a crime in the capital of this country is sufficient to imply that the Algarve is wilder than the wild west.
Not the point I have been objecting to. It would appear that someone getting charged with a crime in the capital of this country is sufficient to imply that the Algarve is wilder than the wild west.No one has mentioned the Wild West but it's surprising how many of the PJ with links to the Maddie case have criminal convictions
I have had more than enough of such rubbish.
I either live in a crime-ridden hell hole ...
or I don't.
Not the point I have been objecting to. It would appear that someone getting charged with a crime in the capital of this country is sufficient to imply that the Algarve is wilder than the wild west.you are way too sensitive and defensive when it comes to Portugal or anything or anyone Portuguese, in my most humble opinion.
I have had more than enough of such rubbish.
I either live in a crime-ridden hell hole ...
or I don't.
Possibly but it wouldn't make their crimes any more relevant to the case than Cristovao's.you'd revel in it though wouldn't you?
Your post is the first to imply that [ IIRC ]
Surely you wouldn't libel Cristavao?
Why are posters getting all protective of a creep like Cristovao, it makes my skin crawl that he wrote a book about Madeleine.
you'd revel in it though wouldn't you?
Sorry to disappoint you Alfie but no.I find that very difficult to believe.
you are way too sensitive and defensive when it comes to Portugal or anything or anyone Portuguese, in my most humble opinion.Not that I would wish to impugn your reputation, but if you think a criminal gang operating in Lisbon means something relevant to the Algarve, you need to make the link.
Not that I would wish to impugn your reputation, but if you think a criminal gang operating in Lisbon means something relevant to the Algarve, you need to make the link.
It has nothing to do with all of Portugal, so I cannot possibly be defending Portugal, and it is clear I am not defending anyone Portuguese, so we can dispose with that piece of nonsense.
I am getting the sense that McCann supporters think confusion is good. What is the relevance to Madeleine's disappearance of crimes committed near Lisbon?
Not that I would wish to impugn your reputation, but if you think a criminal gang operating in Lisbon means something relevant to the Algarve, you need to make the link.
It has nothing to do with all of Portugal, so I cannot possibly be defending Portugal, and it is clear I am not defending anyone Portuguese, so we can dispose with that piece of nonsense.
I am getting the sense that McCann supporters think confusion is good. What is the relevance to Madeleine's disappearance of crimes committed near Lisbon?
I believe you are asking the wrong question, SIL. The relevant question is "What relevance did Madeleine's disappearance have for an ex-PJ inspector based in Lisbon whose main role was reportedly investigating Eastern European mafias & who played no part in the original "secret" investigation?If that is his CV, why is any link being made to Madeleine?
Why did Cristovao write a book about Madeleine?I've read it, and IMO it is c**p.
I've read it, and IMO it is c**p.
Is that the link?
Please do have a merry Christmas, Eleanor. Mine is duck in cherry sauce, with a home-baked gingerbread man. I have no idea what is traditional in your region, but I sincerely hope your Christmas is one to be enjoyed.
Not that I would wish to impugn your reputation, but if you think a criminal gang operating in Lisbon means something relevant to the Algarve, you need to make the link.I have made a straight forward observation that IMO you are very sensitive and defensive about Portugal and all things Portuguese, particularly when you perceive them to be under attack from McCann supporters. Feel free to disagree but don't forget that all opinions on this forum are supposedly equally valid. I have already pointed out what the link is between this vile individual and the McCann case, it is the height of disingenuity (or stupidity) to pretend one doesn't exist.
It has nothing to do with all of Portugal, so I cannot possibly be defending Portugal, and it is clear I am not defending anyone Portuguese, so we can dispose with that piece of nonsense.
I am getting the sense that McCann supporters think confusion is good. What is the relevance to Madeleine's disappearance of crimes committed near Lisbon?
I have made a straight forward observation that IMO you are very sensitive and defensive about Portugal and all things Portuguese, particularly when you perceive them to be under attack from McCann supporters. Feel free to disagree but don't forget that all opinions on this forum are supposedly equally valid. I have already pointed out what the link is between this vile individual and the McCann case, it is the height of disingenuity (or stupidity) to pretend one doesn't exist.I have no problem with other people's opinion.
Merry Christmas by the way.
I've read it, and IMO it is c**p.
Is that the link?
Please do have a merry Christmas, Eleanor. Mine is duck in cherry sauce, with a home-baked gingerbread man. I have no idea what is traditional in your region, but I sincerely hope your Christmas is one to be enjoyed.
Thank you, Shining, you too.I appreciate that a recipe for quince jam is probably off-topic, but would you do me the favour of sending me a PM with the instructions? Being the sad bar***stuard that I am, yes it is Madeleine related, but I am actually looking for recipes for when we move house.
I am in the middle of my usual nervous breakdown, trying to cook stuff to take to a party I don't really want to go to, but can't get out of, and can't drink at because I have to drive.
The only real tradition is that Noel is celebrated on Christmas Eve here. Christmas Day for me will be Roast Duck Slices that I managed to pick up at half price from Intermarche. Probably covered in home made Quince Jam. So snap for Duck.
Making the Quince Jam was jolly hard work, but so worth the effort.
I appreciate that a recipe for quince jam is probably off-topic, but would you do me the favour of sending me a PM with the instructions? Being the sad bar***stuard that I am, yes it is Madeleine related, but I am actually looking for recipes for when we move house.
Is there such a thing as Eleanor's quince jam?
This will be the longest PM I will ever send. Do you want the recipe for Quince Jelly as well?
You see, I do believe that Cristovao is related to Madeleine. He was the one who made up the story about Kate and six dead bodies which caused endless speculation and trouble. Although to be fair to him he did present his book as some sort of fiction, sort of. Probably trying to avoid accusations of Libel.
But I do worry about his motives since he wasn't supposed to know anything much about the case.
I trust you can provide the proof that he made up the 6 body story.
It's in his book. Kate never said any such thing.
In his role as an author and his role as a newspaper correspondent, Paulo Pereira Cristóvão ~ perhaps better known as ' A Source Close to the PJ' ~ carried out a pivotal role in the demonization of Madeleine's parents.
Therefore to suggest that he is unconnected to Madeleine's case is disingenuous ... he put himself right at the centre of events and propagated much of the associated propaganda. Of which "Six dead bodies" is merely one.
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As for Cristovao, he left the PJ after the Joana case to become a writer. Last year, as a columnist for Diario de Noticias, he became a prolific commentator on the Madeleine inquiry, writing a series of articles apparently derived in part from conversations with his former colleagues.
Last month, with the publication of his book The Star Of Madeleine, currently the Algarve's No3 bestseller, he has mounted a robust defence of the PJ in general and Amaral in particular.
"In the PJ's opinion, everything written about Amaral in the British Press had one purpose - to get him taken off the case," Cristovao's book says.
"He was a piece of meat on the barbecue of the British media, which accused him of drinking too much, dressing badly, having a prominent belly and spending too much time at lunch.
"He was too much the normal Portuguese policeman ... when what the British wanted was the British way of doing things."
The book, much of it composed of a fictional dialogue between two fictional PJ officers, Francisco and Joao, recycles some of the cruellest smears against the McCanns, such as the claim that Gerry did not get sufficiently involved in the children's routines. Such information, it claims, gave the police "an idea how the family functioned".
It also contains details that can have come only from inside the investigation: as a view of PJ thinking, it may well be as authentic an account as has yet been given.
If so, its conclusions are shocking, among them the view that Madeleine is dead and that if her parents did not kill her physically, they did so by their public campaign to find her.
"The publicity given to her face was her death warrant - that's if she really left that apartment still alive," he writes.
Cristovao refused to meet me, saying that too many British journalists were "racist".
But I managed to ask him whether he was not worried that the McCanns might sue him for libel, pointing out that they had been awarded £550,000 against four newspapers last month. "I'm expecting that," he replied. "I've no fear. It will be a big joy."
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-560696/Madeleine-The-damning-case-police-Britains-investigative-reporter.html#ixzz4Th2w9xud
I haven't read his book.
However, unless it says the story came from him and he made it up, how do you know the claim did not come from the Mccann camp ?
It's in his book. Kate never said any such thing.
How do you know it did? Have you got a cite?
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on July 25, 2014, 10:45:58 PM
'I believe the earliest referral to contact with six dead bodies was made according to the Maddie Case Files in Jornal de Noticias 8.9.07 post23067 from where it was picked up ... '
By ALEX PEAKE and VERONICA LORRAINE
Published: Today, 05 September 2008
From Estrela de Madeleine:
On the tv monitor, Eddie can be seen sniffing over Kate's clothing and marking that it had been in contact with a cadaver. The reactions of the dogs in the vehicle that had been used by Madeleine's parents can also be seen. -
At the medical center where I work, in England, before we came on holidays, people died whom I had been in contact with... you must be forgetting that I am a doctor...
- Yes you are - João Tavares replies - and the death rate at the medical center where you work twice a week is extremely high...
- It's true - the arguida replies.
A Estrela de Madeleine … de Paulo Pereira Cristóvão … Edição/reimpressão: 2008
Launched in Portugal March 19th 2008 …Páginas: 160 …
Editor: Editorial Presença … ISBN: 9789722338905 … Coleção: Grandes Narrativas
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=4932.msg175250#msg175250
I am asking for you to provide the undeniable truth it came from him and no one else.
Are you saying someone told him? Who on earth could have done that? Not Tavares, surely. Such a conversation is not in any of the files. In fact it has never been officially discussed at all.
This supposed conversation is just in his book.
Why wide any member of the PJ make a claim that Kate McCann had examined 6 bodies ?
By the way, I have asked this question in the past.
Why would any member of the PJ make a claim that Kate McCann had examined 6 bodies ?Because it was true? Did they do due diligence and check this with Kate's clinic. There is no reason why that could not have happened just by chance in the 2 weeks prior to the holiday. It may not be the usual but random outlier events do happen.
By the way, I have asked this question in the past.
He made it up, Stephen. Any idiot can see that.
Because it was true? Did they do due diligence and check this with Kate's clinic. There is no reason why that could not have happened just by chance in the 2 weeks prior to the holiday. It may not be the usual but random outlier events do happen.
I can see why a 'source' from the McCann's would make it up, but not a member of the PJ.
I can see why a 'source' from the McCann's would make it up, but not a member of the PJ.It has a sort of derogatory aspect to it though. Just a thought that went through my mind when I first heard about that incidence: "look in the last 2 weeks 6 of her patients died. What sort of a doctor was she?"
"it is a rare occurrence" - fair enough.
I do know Doctor's who have worked as locums, and what type of work they get.
I have also asked the same people how often they encounter are asked to examine bodies.
It is a rare occurrence.
I can see why a 'source' from the McCann's would make it up, but not a member of the PJ.
It was made up to discredit the McCanns and you have prove it works
So a story saying Cadaver Scent was due to Kate being in contact with bodies prior to her holiday was circulated to discredit her? Hmmm.No this was just accounting for the cadaver odour on her clothes and on Cuddle Cat.
No this was just accounting for the cadaver odour on her clothes and on Cuddle Cat.
I understand that, trying to understand davel's logic.
Then try and think a bit more openlyWas it her mum Susan Healy who said it then?
A story saying that Kate had claimed to be in contact with 6 cadavers has been met with disbelief and accusations of lying by the sceptics
That's because Kate never said it
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=3853.msg145001#msg145001
"Suppose it is true that Kate's mother was asked by the media to account for the cadaver alerts to her daughter's clothes. Imagine yourself in Mrs Healy's shoes - you are aghast at this revelation and desperately seeking to account for it. The fact that your daughter is a doctor who sometimes comes into contact with dead bodies might account for it you think, mightn't it? You're no expert but you've been asked to comment by the world's media and it's the only thing you can think of to explain it (apart from the more sinister and unthinkable thought, which you instantly banish from your mind as quite impossible).
Of course some people can't imagine being in Mrs Healy's shoes at such a distressing revelation. They can only imagine a scenario in which Kate instructs her mother to tell lies on her behalf to get her off the hook.
« Last Edit: April 13, 2014, 03:15:21 PM by Alfred R Jones »"
I could imagine the main reason Susan would know what happen at work was that Kate had told her.
Also good information here http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=3853.msg145136#msg145136
Mrs McCann, an anesthetist - could see a lot of cadavers being an anesthetist.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=3853.msg145001#msg145001
"Suppose it is true that Kate's mother was asked by the media to account for the cadaver alerts to her daughter's clothes. Imagine yourself in Mrs Healy's shoes - you are aghast at this revelation and desperately seeking to account for it. The fact that your daughter is a doctor who sometimes comes into contact with dead bodies might account for it you think, mightn't it? You're no expert but you've been asked to comment by the world's media and it's the only thing you can think of to explain it (apart from the more sinister and unthinkable thought, which you instantly banish from your mind as quite impossible).
Of course some people can't imagine being in Mrs Healy's shoes at such a distressing revelation. They can only imagine a scenario in which Kate instructs her mother to tell lies on her behalf to get her off the hook.
« Last Edit: April 13, 2014, 03:15:21 PM by Alfred R Jones »"
I could imagine the main reason Susan would know what happen at work was that Kate had told her.
Also good information here http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=3853.msg145136#msg145136
Mrs McCann, an anesthetist - could see a lot of cadavers being an anesthetist.
Maybe she did, but she was being employed as a part-time GP prior to her life-changing holiday.
It's very doubtful she would have seen six bodies and that's why she didn't say it and Stephen can't find anything to support she said itI have been unable to find the source of the misquote. Is it mentioned in Kates book?
I have been unable to find the source of the misquote. Is it mentioned in Kates book?
NoI checked some crucial pages and it wasn't on those.
http://sicnoticias.sapo.pt/pais/2017-01-11-Julgamento-de-Pereira-Cristovao-adiado
The final allegations of the trial of Paulo Pereira Cristóvão were postponed until the Supreme Court of Justice ruled whether or not the Central Criminal Court had jurisdiction to investigate the case in which the former vice president of Sporting is accused of being the Mentor of a wave of assaults in Lisbon and the south bank.
During the trial, three defendants admitted that they were hired by Pereira Cristóvão to make difficult charges.
The former sports official and former inspector of the Judiciary has pending in the Supreme Court an appeal contesting the jurisdiction of the court that conducted the investigation phase.
If the decision, which will be known on February 1, is favorable, the judgment may be annulled.
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http://observador.pt/2017/01/11/julgamento-de-paulo-pereira-cristovao-pode-ser-anulado-supremo-decide-a-1-de-fevereiro/
Paulo Pereira Cristóvão, the former inspector of the Judiciary Police, in court with 17 other defendants, accused of forming a group to assault businessmen saying they were conducting searches in the name of justice, can see almost a year of judgment being overturned. This is because the defense of the former vice president of Sporting and former inspector of the PJ, pleaded a procedural issue that relates to the powers of the criminal investigating judge.
The first defense appeal was filed about a year ago, but the Court of Appeal did not give reason to Pereira Cristóvão. The appeal then went to the Supreme Court that on February 1 will decide the issue. "We have filed an extraordinary appeal that will now be decided and that having the expected outcome will result in the annulment of all the acts of the process. From the investigation phase to the trial, "Rui Costa Pereira, the lawyer of the former PJ inspector, said in a statement on Wednesday.
The trial began on June 1, 2016 and has already had 17 sessions, where dozens of witnesses were heard. The session on Wednesday, where the final allegations were scheduled to take place, has since been suspended.
Paulo Pereira Cristóvão is accused of criminal association, robbery, kidnapping, possession of prohibited weapon, abuse of power, violation of domicile by employee and falsification of document. Along with seven other defendants, including former Juve Leo leader Mustafa, three PSP agents and a drug dealer will have formed a criminal group to hold assaults on businessmen. According to the indictment of the Public Prosecution, the assaults were of extreme violence and situations of strangulation and use of firearms were reported.
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Heaven forbid he escapes justice on a legal technicality.
Does any initial judgement in any criminal case in Portugal ever get upheld? It seems not... &%+((£
Possibly, if one's ancestors or descendants are still around to remember what the case was about in the first place.
Portuguese justice is a complete farce from everything I've ever read about it. Glad I don't live there or have anything to do with it.
seems alot of them want to get out and live over herebest of British to them then.
Pereira Cristóvão wins legal battle in the Supreme He was being tried for various crimes on Campus. By Magali Pinto| 8:27perhaps one of the Supreme Court judges in the McCann v Amaral case would be ideal (for him).
(15/2/17)
The Supreme Court has declared void the judge Carlos Alexandre pronunciation, which decided about two years ago, the ex-Sporting and ex-inspetor of the judicial police, Paulo Pereira Cristóvão, and 17 more defendants-including three agents of PSP would be judged by several violent crimes, including criminal association, theft, kidnapping and possession of a prohibited weapon. The judges decided advisers now-as called for defense of Christopher-the Central Criminal Court was not the competent court to pronounce Pereira Cristóvão and therefore will have to be repeated this procedural phase, according to understand college professor Rui Pereira.
The relationship of Lisbon will have to send the indictment to the Court of Criminal of Lisbon or Cascais and one of the two will be the local jurisdiction shall be determined. This means that the trial taking place since June last year on the Campus of Justice stands still. Christopher Pereira and the other WINS defendants who were to be judged in the context of this process, Mustafa, leader of Juve Leo.
http://www.cmjornal.pt/portugal/detalhe/pereira-cristovao-ganha-batalha-judicial-no-supremo?ref=HP_Outros
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I assume this means he gets a re-trial for the first set of charges in a court presided over by (cough) the correct type of judge.
perhaps one of the Supreme Court judges in the McCann v Amaral case would be ideal (for him).
Here's a copy of his court judgement, which was originally undecided.
http://www.stj.pt/ficheiros/tabelas/Decididas/Plenos/Pleno-Penal-2017-02-01.pdf
I wonder why his case warranted so many judges?
Well, he obviously doesn't like enough of them. Or mayhap he hasn't got anything on any of them.
A split decision on a procedural issue. Pity the McCanns didn't have 14 judges discussing Amaral's breach of Reserve Duty.
A split decision on a procedural issue. Pity the McCanns didn't have 14 judges discussing Amaral's breach of Reserve Duty.
Off topic.
But why are posts being timed at 1.30am when it's not even 11pm?
The clock has gone haywire on the board.
Mine's showing the correct time. Have you flown to Swaziland without knowing it? @)(++(*
That breach of reserve duty is an accursed one, though, Misty.
If I understand the ruling correctly, the judges don't dispute Amaral breached secrecy; but rather hold that because he quit the PJ before he wrote the book, he was under no obligation to observe the laws of secrecy.
That's the rub.
Eleanor's post above mine is timed (at least on my computer) at 1.39am ....
He left the PJ on 30/6/2008. The book was on the shelves 3 weeks later. How quickly do the SC judges think he wrote it?
We had a late night last evening.....
Lisbon Report returns Pereira Cristóvão's case to the court of inquiry(http://static.globalnoticias.pt/dn/image.aspx?type=generate&name=original&id=5690244&w=579&h=371&t=20170224181100)
Justice
MARCH 29, 2017
19:27
The trial, which runs from June 2016, has been suspended since February 16 of this year
The Lisbon Court of Appeals (TRL) returned Wednesday the case of Paulo Pereira Cristóvão and 17 other defendants accused of violent assaults on residences to the Central Court of Criminal Instruction (TCIC), to decide which court has jurisdiction.
In February, the Supreme Court of Justice concluded that the TCIC was not competent to carry out the investigation phase and bring the defendants to trial - giving effect to the appeal of the former Inspector of the Judicial Police Pereira Cristóvão - and referred the files to the TRL so that A new decision was rendered in accordance with settled case-law. "
In the decision, which the Lusa agency had access to, the Relation, in accordance with the STJ, declared the TCIC incompetent to proceed with the investigation phase and decided to return the file to "take a position on the jurisdiction of the criminal court where they should be In order to annul the acts that would not have been committed, if he had proceeded with the proceedings, and order the repetition of the acts necessary for the knowledge of the case. "
The judges judges Vasco Freitas and Rui Gonçalves did not fill in the part of the appeal of the defense of Pereira Cristóvão in which he claims to be the Court of Criminal Instruction of Cascais competent to carry out the investigation phase.
"[The TCIC] should refer the case to the court which it considers competent, since, in our view, this will only guarantee all the defendant's guarantees of defense, in particular his right of appeal, as regards the decision to be taken in respect of Jurisdiction, "according to the TRL judgment.
Once the competent court has been established, "it shall be incumbent on the judge to determine whether the acts committed may be annulled, which takes place simultaneously with the receipt of the case and the acceptance of jurisdiction", added the judges.
The trial, which has been held since June 2016 in Lisbon, has been suspended since February 16 of this year after the STJ's decision to send the case to Relação, which has now returned the case to the Central Criminal Investigation Court .
After prosecuting the prosecution, some of the defendants requested the opening of an investigation, but Judge Carlos Alexandre of the TCIC pronounced all the defendants to go to trial in the exact terms of the indictment.
The 18 defendants, including three policemen and leone Juve Leo cheerleader Nuno Vieira Mendes, known as Mustafa, respond by criminal association, robbery, kidnapping, possession of a prohibited weapon, abuse of power, violation of domicile by employee And document forgery.
According to the indictment, Paulo Pereira Cristóvão, a former PJ inspector and also a former vice-president of Sporting, two other defendants and the three police gathered information and decided which people and places to assault by the group, namely in the Lisbon area and the bank South of the Tagus River.
The information was then transmitted to the other elements, which formed the operational side of the alleged criminal network.
http://www.dn.pt/portugal/interior/relacao-de-lisboa-devolve-processo-de-pereira-cristovao-ao-tribunal-de-instrucao-5757634.html
This won't help the McCann's.
Why do you think it won't?
Why do you think it won't?
Boo!
Surprise me. 8(0(*
It seems so unbelievable to think a former PJ boss becomes a violent criminal.
You need to look around a bit Rob.None of those seem to compare to the same degree with what is alleged against Paulo Pereira Cristovão.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/over-3000-police-officers-being-investigated-for-alleged-assault-and-almost-all-of-them-are-still-on-10220091.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2081199/Criminal-record-1k-officers-convictions-police.html
'More than half of the 685 Met police officers convicted of criminal offences in the past 10 years still work for the force, figures reveal today.
The majority of the convictions are for relatively minor traffic offences but others include crimes of violence, sexual assault and theft.'
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/half-of-met-police-officers-convicted-of-criminal-offences-in-past-decade-still-work-for-the-force-a3180351.html
None of those seem to compare to the same degree with what is alleged against Paulo Pereira Cristovão.
How naive.No, I'm not that interested in the topic.
Try some research.
It seems so unbelievable to think a former PJ boss becomes a violent criminal.
More like he was always disposed to being one but hid it from his bosses.I don't know enough to really comment on that.
How naive.
Try some research.
How many of the UK cops headed up a Missing Children's Charity, Stephen?Thanks Misty. I read the first paragraph and noted this "Former Polícia Judiciária (PJ) detective and ex-Sporting Vice President Paulo Pereira Cristovão was this week arrested on a number of criminal charges, which include kidnapping and robbery. He gained widespread prominence after authoring a book, Estrela da Madeleine (Madeleine’s Star) in which he analyses the disappearance of Madeleine McCann from her holiday apartment almost eight years ago.
http://theportugalnews.com/news/ex-pj-detective-and-madeleine-book-author-arrested-on-a-series-of-charges/34181
(Photo gives added effect & association)
Thanks Misty. I read the first paragraph and noted this "Former Polícia Judiciária (PJ) detective and ex-Sporting Vice President Paulo Pereira Cristovão was this week arrested on a number of criminal charges, which include kidnapping and robbery. He gained widespread prominence after authoring a book, Estrela da Madeleine (Madeleine’s Star) in which he analyses the disappearance of Madeleine McCann from her holiday apartment almost eight years ago.
Has anyone read this book?
Many of us have seen the snippets of fiction which some sceptics have transformed into facts.OK googled it. "This novel, where fact and fiction are deliberately intertwined, as the author states in the foreword, invites us to reflect upon the various possible theories behind the disappearance of Madeleine. It does reach a conclusion of some sort, while leaving an open door into other solutions. The exploration of several theories is done almost exhaustively, presenting arguments in favour and against several possibilities."
Reading a few more of those snippets this paragraph appears and explains a lot: "- We went to dinner that evening, leaving our children who had been asleep since 7.30. An hour later, we were sitting at the table, with our friends who had equally left their children asleep in their bedrooms. We left the door unlocked, in case there might be an emergency. At some point, shortly after 9 p.m., the father went to the apartment and did not see his daughter where she had been sleeping, but he thought that she might be in the parents’ bedroom. He did not check if that was the case. Their friend Russell also went to check on his children, but he returned only an hour later, at the time when Kate, the mother, went into apartment 5A and did not find her daughter.
I may have jumped to conclusions but I had wondered previously why Goncalo Amaral in the that interview said Russell went to check on Madeleine. Was he getting confused between the fiction and the facts?
Reading a few more of those snippets this paragraph appears and explains a lot: "- We went to dinner that evening, leaving our children who had been asleep since 7.30. An hour later, we were sitting at the table, with our friends who had equally left their children asleep in their bedrooms. We left the door unlocked, in case there might be an emergency. At some point, shortly after 9 p.m., the father went to the apartment and did not see his daughter where she had been sleeping, but he thought that she might be in the parents’ bedroom. He did not check if that was the case. Their friend Russell also went to check on his children, but he returned only an hour later, at the time when Kate, the mother, went into apartment 5A and did not find her daughter.
I may have jumped to conclusions but I had wondered previously why Goncalo Amaral in the that interview said Russell went to check on Madeleine. Was he getting confused between the fiction and the facts?
I found the exact place in the thread where I had raised this issue http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=8007.msg389882#msg389882
Goncalo says Russell went to check the McCann kids but in fact it was Matthew Oldfield.
A little more proof of someone being fed incorrect information via a leak.It would be a horrifying situation if all that Goncalo knew about the McCann case was what came to him via leaks!
It would be a horrifying situation if all that Goncalo knew about the McCann case was what came to him via leaks!
You misunderstood. Hypothetically, the "leaks" were to the ex-cop who wasn't working the case.Yes I was pointing out the ironic situation only
https://www.jn.pt/justica/interior/tribunal-anula-julgamento-de-paulo-pereira-cristovao-8796635.html
O Tribunal de Instrução Criminal de Cascais anulou toda a fase de instrução e, consequentemente, o julgamento de Paulo Pereira Cristóvão, antigo inspetor da Polícia Judiciária, num processo com mais 17 arguidos acusados de assaltos violentos a residências.
"Anulo toda a prova produzida na instrução, bem como o debate instrutório e a decisão instrutória, que, consequentemente, e perante uma nova produção de prova, têm fatalmente que ser repetidos", refere o despacho da juíza de instrução criminal, Cristina Henriques Esteves, com data de terça-feira e a que a agência Lusa teve acesso esta segunda-feira.
O julgamento, também agora anulado, teve início em junho de 2016 na Instância Central Criminal de Lisboa, mas foi suspenso a 16 de fevereiro deste ano pelo coletivo de juízes, enquanto se aguardou por uma decisão do Supremo Tribunal de Justiça, que viria a declarar a "incompetência material" do Tribunal Central de Instrução Criminal para a realização da fase de instrução.
A defesa do antigo inspetor da Polícia Judiciária tinha interposto um recurso para anular o ato que declarou aberta a fase de instrução, alegando "incompetência material do Tribunal Central de Instrução Criminal" (TCIC) para tratar dos crimes em causa.
Google translate
The Court of Criminal Investigation of Cascais annulled the whole investigation phase and, consequently, the trial of Paulo Pereira Cristóvão, former inspector of the Judiciary Police, in a case with another 17 defendants accused of violent assaults to residences.
"I annul all the evidence produced in the investigation, as well as the instructional debate and the investigation decision, which, consequently, and in the face of a new production of evidence, must inevitably be repeated," said the order of the criminal investigation judge, Cristina Henriques Esteves , dated Tuesday and the one that the agency Lusa had access this Monday.
The trial, also now annulled, began in June 2016 at the Central Criminal Instance of Lisbon, but was suspended on February 16 of this year by the collective of judges, pending a decision of the Supreme Court of Justice, which would declare the "material incompetence" of the Central Criminal Investigation Court for the conduct of the investigation phase.
The defense of the former Judicial Police inspector had brought an action to annul the act that declared the investigation phase open, claiming "material incompetence of the Central Criminal Investigation Court" (TCIC) to deal with the crimes in question.
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Roughly speaking, I think this means the b------ has got away with it. 8(8-))
The 18 defendants, including three policemen and leone Juve Leo cheerleader Nuno Vieira Mendes, known as Mustafa, respond by criminal association,
robbery,
kidnapping,
possession of a prohibited weapon,
abuse of power,
violation of domicile by employee
and document forgery.
According to the indictment of the Public Prosecutor's Office, Paulo Pereira Cristóvão, a former inspector of PJ and also a former vice-president of Sporting, two other defendants and the three police gathered information and decided which people and places to assault by the group, namely in the Lisbon area and on the south bank of the Tagus River.
https://www.rtp.pt/noticias/pais/tribunal-anula-toda-a-fase-de-instrucao-e-julgamento-de-paulo-pereira-cristovao_n1029375
I think it became apparent at the beginning of the year that there was a high probability that Cristóvão was going to walk away from the serious charges laid against him.
One wonders how the victims who suffered at the hands of the criminal gang whose modus operandi included gaining entry to expensive homes dressed in police uniforms are feeling at the news.
I concur Faithlilly.
It is in my opinion, just another attempt to disparage the PJ.
Might I be so bold as to recommend you go to the beginning of the thread on former PJ inspector Paulo Pereira Cristovao and start reading through it from there.
I have.
In my opinion what appears to be happening in the Portuguese justice system - epitomised by the latest news regarding very serious crimes indeed - is of interest not only to Portuguese nationals but to any putting a foot on Portuguese soil.
The already proven criminality of some of those who had a close association either with Madeleine's case or who associated themselves in the campaign of misinformation, directed against Madeleine's parents and their insistence on continuing searching for their daughter, has to be of interest to any who have followed Madeleine's case.
Cristovao set himself up as a TV pundit on Madeleine's case.
In combination with what appears to have happened to the criminal case against him ... and what happened to Madeleine McCann's family in their civil case ... court decisions in Portugal at both ends of the spectrum have, in my opinion, gained prominence if not notoriety.
https://www.jn.pt/justica/interior/tribunal-anula-julgamento-de-paulo-pereira-cristovao-8796635.html
O Tribunal de Instrução Criminal de Cascais anulou toda a fase de instrução e, consequentemente, o julgamento de Paulo Pereira Cristóvão, antigo inspetor da Polícia Judiciária, num processo com mais 17 arguidos acusados de assaltos violentos a residências.
"Anulo toda a prova produzida na instrução, bem como o debate instrutório e a decisão instrutória, que, consequentemente, e perante uma nova produção de prova, têm fatalmente que ser repetidos", refere o despacho da juíza de instrução criminal, Cristina Henriques Esteves, com data de terça-feira e a que a agência Lusa teve acesso esta segunda-feira.
O julgamento, também agora anulado, teve início em junho de 2016 na Instância Central Criminal de Lisboa, mas foi suspenso a 16 de fevereiro deste ano pelo coletivo de juízes, enquanto se aguardou por uma decisão do Supremo Tribunal de Justiça, que viria a declarar a "incompetência material" do Tribunal Central de Instrução Criminal para a realização da fase de instrução.
A defesa do antigo inspetor da Polícia Judiciária tinha interposto um recurso para anular o ato que declarou aberta a fase de instrução, alegando "incompetência material do Tribunal Central de Instrução Criminal" (TCIC) para tratar dos crimes em causa.
Google translate
The Court of Criminal Investigation of Cascais annulled the whole investigation phase and, consequently, the trial of Paulo Pereira Cristóvão, former inspector of the Judiciary Police, in a case with another 17 defendants accused of violent assaults to residences.
"I annul all the evidence produced in the investigation, as well as the instructional debate and the investigation decision, which, consequently, and in the face of a new production of evidence, must inevitably be repeated," said the order of the criminal investigation judge, Cristina Henriques Esteves , dated Tuesday and the one that the agency Lusa had access this Monday.
The trial, also now annulled, began in June 2016 at the Central Criminal Instance of Lisbon, but was suspended on February 16 of this year by the collective of judges, pending a decision of the Supreme Court of Justice, which would declare the "material incompetence" of the Central Criminal Investigation Court for the conduct of the investigation phase.
The defense of the former Judicial Police inspector had brought an action to annul the act that declared the investigation phase open, claiming "material incompetence of the Central Criminal Investigation Court" (TCIC) to deal with the crimes in question.
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Roughly speaking, I think this means the b------ has got away with it. 8(8-))
Reading between the lines it appears to have been a monumental cockup as to which Court had jurisdiction. Seems they have to start all over again if they are to bring these gangsters to trial.
Curiously, the English language Portuguese press don't appear to have picked up this story yet?
If I understand it properly ... 80% of Portuguese respondents are very dissatisfied with with that news of annulment ... and I think that is hardly surprising.
I would really like to know what this thread has to do with Madeleine Mccann's disappearance on May the 3 rd 2007.
While this man shows evidence of criminal activity, he would not be the first member of a police force to do so.
Perhaps a thread could be started on those in SY involved in criminal activities.
Portugal appears to have a real problem when bringing former high ranking Polícia Judiciária officers to trial.
Imagine you lived in a country which last year had 3,000 allegations of police corruption. Worse, imagine that of these 3,000 allegations only half of them were properly investigated — because for police officers in this country, corruption was becoming routine. Imagine that the police increasingly used their powers to crack down not on criminals but on anyone who dared speak out against them. What sort of a country is this? Well, it’s Britain I’m afraid — where what was once the finest, most honest service in the world is in danger of becoming rotten.
https://www.spectator.co.uk/2015/03/the-shocking-truth-about-police-corruption-in-britain/
I think I would be more worried about what was going on on my own doorstep.
Imagine you lived in a country which last year had 3,000 allegations of police corruption. Worse, imagine that of these 3,000 allegations only half of them were properly investigated — because for police officers in this country, corruption was becoming routine. Imagine that the police increasingly used their powers to crack down not on criminals but on anyone who dared speak out against them. What sort of a country is this? Well, it’s Britain I’m afraid — where what was once the finest, most honest service in the world is in danger of becoming rotten.
https://www.spectator.co.uk/2015/03/the-shocking-truth-about-police-corruption-in-britain/
I think I would be more worried about what was going on on my own doorstep.
Granted yes but the thread relates to Madeleine and Portugal.
..and how does this man relate to Madeleine's disappearance ?
He is far from the only person to comment on it.
He made money on the back of Madeleine's disappearance, just as he did with Joana.
He made money on the back of Madeleine's disappearance, just as he did with Joana.
Did he make that money, that being the "on the back of Madeleine's disappearnce", illegally? If not you have no gripe. Forget morals they don't exist in money making.
In modern society one's success and status are irrevocably linked to how much money one has made with little regard to how it was made.
The legality of those earnings is very much a matter to be questioned. IMO.
Until it is proven that money made "on the back of Madeleine's disappearance" has been made illegally he is entitled to a presumption of innocence and you have no legitimate gripe.
Unless of course you believe that "in your opinion he is bent and should therefore be castigated on the basis of your opinion" should hold sway
My opinion is that for the moment the Portuguese courts are bending over backwards ensuring his right to the presumption of innocence is fully protected.
Mind you, I'm not too sure how that ties in with his arguido status in consideration of the precedent set by the McCann appeal court judges is concerned.
My opinion is that for the moment the Portuguese courts are bending over backwards ensuring his right to the presumption of innocence is fully protected.
Mind you, I'm not too sure how that ties in with his arguido status in consideration of the precedent set by the McCann appeal court judges is concerned.
Are you sure that precedent works in Portuguese law in that way?
Apart from the obvious comment of "Which precedent is that then" ?
Alice, now would that not be the precedence of Cristovao is arrested- presumed innocent - UNTIL proved guiltyI thought it was ruled the McCanns were innocent until proven guilty.
Much the same as the McCanns who were presumed innocent UNTIL proved guilty
Not the same as the McCanns are innocent which is a whole different ball game altogether. 8)--))
I thought it was ruled the McCanns were innocent until proven guilty.
The Mccanns haven't been charged Rob.
So the presumption of innocence only applies to people who are charged with a crime. What is the legal status of people who are not charged with a crime, especially a crime which cannot even be defined?
The Mccanns haven't been charged Rob.You wouldn't think so by what is said in some FB groups. They have been charged , found guilty, and punished.
So the presumption of innocence only applies to people who are charged with a crime. What is the legal status of people who are not charged with a crime, especially a crime which cannot even be defined?
You asked-So the presumption of innocence only applies to people who are charged with a crime.
The answer is Yes! exactly.
Let me explain. You saw me standing at a bus stop and the glass was smashed- you call the police and they arrest me because you have accused me, you believe I am responsible for this crime. ( note the word believe because you didn't actually see me do it) Only I know if I did it or not.
On your say so I am arrested on suspicion of committing a crime ( this mean I am a suspect)- this is the important part- The police can only suspect me and then go find evidence and eye witnesses of me committing this crime- during this time I am to be presumed innocent -in other words they can't go to the press and say I did it. If no evidence is found I cannot be charged with a crime but I can still be suspected of doing it for the rest of my life. It would be a theory as to why and how I did it ,but that would just be a theory.
I do hope this clears up this whole the McCanns were not presumed innocent diatribe. It is so boring and it comes across as being genuine when it is not.
So to summarise: the McCanns were suspects in their daughters disappearance, the PJ had a theory. Full stop. 8(>((
You asked-So the presumption of innocence only applies to people who are charged with a crime.
The answer is Yes! exactly.
Let me explain. You saw me standing at a bus stop and the glass was smashed- you call the police and they arrest me because you have accused me, you believe I am responsible for this crime. ( note the word believe because you didn't actually see me do it) Only I know if I did it or not.
On your say so I am arrested on suspicion of committing a crime ( this mean I am a suspect)- this is the important part- The police can only suspect me and then go find evidence and eye witnesses of me committing this crime- during this time I am to be presumed innocent -in other words they can't go to the press and say I did it. If no evidence is found I cannot be charged with a crime but I can still be suspected of doing it for the rest of my life. It would be a theory as to why and how I did it ,but that would just be a theory.
I do hope this clears up this whole the McCanns were not presumed innocent diatribe. It is so boring and it comes across as being genuine when it is not.
So to summarise: the McCanns were suspects in their daughters disappearance, the PJ had a theory. Full stop. 8(>((
You asked-So the presumption of innocence only applies to people who are charged with a crime.
The answer is Yes! exactly.
Let me explain. You saw me standing at a bus stop and the glass was smashed- you call the police and they arrest me because you have accused me, you believe I am responsible for this crime. ( note the word believe because you didn't actually see me do it) Only I know if I did it or not.
On your say so I am arrested on suspicion of committing a crime ( this mean I am a suspect)- this is the important part- The police can only suspect me and then go find evidence and eye witnesses of me committing this crime- during this time I am to be presumed innocent -in other words they can't go to the press and say I did it. If no evidence is found I cannot be charged with a crime but I can still be suspected of doing it for the rest of my life. It would be a theory as to why and how I did it ,but that would just be a theory.
I do hope this clears up this whole the McCanns were not presumed innocent diatribe. It is so boring and it comes across as being genuine when it is not.
So to summarise: the McCanns were suspects in their daughters disappearance, the PJ had a theory. Full stop. 8(>((
You cannot be declared a suspect in a theoretical crime. The disappearance of a child is not a crime in itself.
You missed the IMO. IMO if the police suspect a crime has taken place then even if they don’t know what it specifically is they can still arrest on suspicion in order to question.
The McCanns were not under arrest. They had to be made arguidos in order for the PJ to ask more searching questions than were allowed for witnesses. In order to arrest someone, the nature of the crime first has to be established.
You will note in the Sept 2007 interviews that all questions to Kate regarding events before 5.30pm on 3/5/07 were asked of her as a witness but those relating to events after 5.30pm were under arguido status.
As you appeared to be talking generally so was I.
Would you accept that the McCanns are as innocent of an unspecified crime as all the paedophiles, M Green, D Groom & Murat's associates who were investigated but never made arguidos?
Again that is not a general question and off topic.
Ok. I'll phrase it another way. Would you agree that the McCanns are more innocent than Cristovao who was facing charges whilst also serving a suspended sentence but now has been granted the presumption of innocence whilst said charges are re-investigated?
Anyone going into a trial has a presumption of innocence until the prosecution provides sufficient proof of guilt. The police do not have to presume anyone is innocent, their job is to find evidence that will help to prove guilt (or innocence to remove someone from the enquiry). I am not going to comment on specific cases.I thought that this thread was about an individual case. Cristovaos.
Anyone going into a trial has a presumption of innocence until the prosecution provides sufficient proof of guilt. The police do not have to presume anyone is innocent, their job is to find evidence that will help to prove guilt (or innocence to remove someone from the enquiry). I am not going to comment on specific cases.
So the presumption of innocence only applies to people who are charged with a crime. What is the legal status of people who are not charged with a crime, especially a crime which cannot even be defined?
You asked-So the presumption of innocence only applies to people who are charged with a crime.
The answer is Yes! exactly.
Let me explain. You saw me standing at a bus stop and the glass was smashed- you call the police and they arrest me because you have accused me, you believe I am responsible for this crime. ( note the word believe because you didn't actually see me do it) Only I know if I did it or not.
On your say so I am arrested on suspicion of committing a crime ( this mean I am a suspect)- this is the important part- The police can only suspect me and then go find evidence and eye witnesses of me committing this crime- during this time I am to be presumed innocent -in other words they can't go to the press and say I did it. If no evidence is found I cannot be charged with a crime but I can still be suspected of doing it for the rest of my life. It would be a theory as to why and how I did it ,but that would just be a theory.
I do hope this clears up this whole the McCanns were not presumed innocent diatribe. It is so boring and it comes across as being genuine when it is not.
So to summarise: the McCanns were suspects in their daughters disappearance, the PJ had a theory. Full stop. 8(>((
Despite what we have been led to believe according to various pronouncements emanating from police sources in Lisbon and London, should that not be "are still suspects" given the recent ruling by the Portuguese Supreme Court on innocence and the fact that nothing has actually changed since the arguido status pertaining to Murat and the McCanns was lifted?
Again, I ask what right has the SC to pass judgement on the innocence of POI's in a criminal case which has never been tried because no criminal act had been identified at the time of the archiving report they referred to?
It didn’t, it just pointed out that they hadn’t been cleared as had been claimed.
Cleared of what? No crime had ever been determined.
Of being involved.
The disappearance of someone is not a crime. The PJ could find no evidence any crime. Corpus delicti.
Let’s spell it out, it was said that the McCanns had been cleared of involvement in Madeleine’s disappearance, the SC corrected that misconception but reiterated that they had not lost the presumption of innocence. Happy?
No, because clearly that misconception was detrimental to the McCanns right to a good name especially when the very person opining on their innocence via a theory was the same one who was instrumental in formulating the theory.
No, because clearly that misconception was detrimental to the McCanns right to a good name especially when the very person opining on their innocence via a theory was the same one who was instrumental in formulating the theory.The SC do not hold that view.
The misconception was that they were cleared?According to the archiving report, the nature of any crime, if indeed there was one, had not been determined so there was nothing to be cleared of. The McCanns right to a good reputation was the same as anyone else's in Luz on 3/5/2007, in the circumstances. Therefore, it was inappropriate & unjust for the SC to suggest otherwise.
According to the archiving report, the nature of any crime, if indeed there was one, had not been determined so there was nothing to be cleared of. The McCanns right to a good reputation was the same as anyone else's in Luz on 3/5/2007, in the circumstances. Therefore, it was inappropriate & unjust for the SC to suggest otherwise.
According to the archiving report, the nature of any crime, if indeed there was one, had not been determined so there was nothing to be cleared of. The McCanns right to a good reputation was the same as anyone else's in Luz on 3/5/2007, in the circumstances. Therefore, it was inappropriate & unjust for the SC to suggest otherwise.
Despite what we have been led to believe according to various pronouncements emanating from police sources in Lisbon and London, should that not be "are still suspects" given the recent ruling by the Portuguese Supreme Court on innocence and the fact that nothing has actually changed since the arguido status pertaining to Murat and the McCanns was lifted?
With all due resspect Misty, What are you on about I am confused.
With regards to 'presumed innocent' which is being banded about in connection with Maddies parents Human rights being affected in some way, it is a bit rich for you to post on a public forum
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Former PJ inspector Paulo Pereira Cristovao arrested for armed robbery.
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are you complaining about his right to a good name or his human rights regarding his right to a good name? well No! you didn't even bother to put the word in alledged in that sentence. So quite happy to stick a sword in his back because?...
With regards to your claim about no crime,
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the nature of any crime, if indeed there was one,
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again this is a strange get up on words considering it is the very pepole who you are and have been defending of their claim that their child was abducted. Which kind of makes your words fall out of sync with all your other supporting/defending posts of the parents.
So, just to recap on the crime or no crime quiz..
Kate n Gerry claim to have had a daughter, claimed they took said daughter on holiday, claimed she was abducted from her bed while on this holiday, notified the police as they belived a 'crime' had been commited. The police believe the couple in so far as: they did have a daughter and she was missing AND decided to investigate the claims made.. am I going to fast? is there any part of this NOT making sense? because the way I see it the police DO accept a crime was commited and they also S U S P E C T the parents as being involved in some way of that occurance-whatever that occurance is. Their good name is just as good as Paulo Pereira Cristovao. because he hasn't been found guilty of anything yet!
So can we summerise:
Parents are suspected of being involved in their daughters disappearance- which they claimed was an abduction, the police have a theory as to what happened and they wrote about it claiming the parents were involved in some way- the McCanns lawyer states that the McCanns are innocent according to the file- the file and the court says no the files does not say that.
There all cleared up now.
Paulo Pereira Cristovao has already been convicted of various offences in the Golden Whistle case & is serving a suspended sentence of 4.5 years. He faced further charges but apparently neither the PP nor the presiding judge were aware that the investigating officers had no jurisdiction to gather the evidence. Such is the justice system in Portugal that the PP & a Super Judge did not recognise this fact.
Meanwhile, the McCanns have neither previous convictions nor do they face any charges related to the theory promoted by Amaral - because no crime, least of all the one pursued by his team, has been verified.
Your response has adequately demonstrated why the McCanns should succeed in the ECHR, since you appear to believe that even a convicted person has a right to good reputation against circumstantial allegations - see A v Norway.
The first part of your pragraph has NOTHING to do the Maddie, secondly yuo never said he was arrested for ALLEDGEDLY armed robbery, yet you complain about the same being done to the McCanns, I find this quite stragne if I ma honest. his criminal record has nothing to do with the search for Maddie, the court is entitled to make its descisions wether they be right or wrong- again nothing to to with the search for Maddie or justice for Maddie- this is in my honest opinion a spiteful,vindictive thread to mud sling at the PJ and theit portuguese court system all because they didn't play nice to Kate n Gerry.
Regarding your last paragraph. I made no such a claim that the McCanns or anyone has a right to a good name- I was mearly pointing out your very obvious bias in claiming a 'right' for one person/s and denying that same equal right to another.
It is ok if you mis read or missunderstood, many readers get the gist. 8**8:/:
The first part of your pragraph has NOTHING to do the Maddie, secondly yuo never said he was arrested for ALLEDGEDLY armed robbery, yet you complain about the same being done to the McCanns, I find this quite stragne if I ma honest. his criminal record has nothing to do with the search for Maddie, the court is entitled to make its descisions wether they be right or wrong- again nothing to to with the search for Maddie or justice for Maddie- this is in my honest opinion a spiteful,vindictive thread to mud sling at the PJ and theit portuguese court system all because they didn't play nice to Kate n Gerry.
Regarding your last paragraph. I made no such a claim that the McCanns or anyone has a right to a good name- I was mearly pointing out your very obvious bias in claiming a 'right' for one person/s and denying that same equal right to another.
It is ok if you mis read or missunderstood, many readers get the gist. 8**8:/:
Can you give any valid reasons why you trust Cristovao, Amaral and their cahoots against people, (The Mccanns and friends), who IMO are completely free from any criminaility .... and furthermore no pointers toward them having ever done anything criminal in their lives
Just why do you trust these Criminals against IMO non criminals?
Can you give any valid reasons why you trust Cristovao, Amaral and their cahoots against people, (The Mccanns and friends), who IMO are completely free from any criminaility .... and furthermore no pointers toward them having ever done anything criminal in their lives
Just why do you trust these Criminals against IMO non criminals?
I do not feel the need to have my assumed opinion validated. I would be very wary of making claims about the McCanns never having done anything criminal in their lives only unless you were with both of them since birth through childhood... which let's face it never happened.We'd all be criminals if that is the standard of proof you require.
Can you please remind the forum mods and members where I have claimed to 'trust' criminals against non criminals whom ever these non criminals are you speak of.
If you are unable to do so can I expect an apology?
Given what has happened to Paulo Cristovao and the numerous convictions and further allegations of criminal conduct against him, is there really any point in treating anything he has previously said with any credibility?
We'd all be criminals if that is the standard of proof you require.
Given what has happened to Paulo Cristovao and the numerous convictions and further allegations of criminal conduct against him, is there really any point in treating anything he has previously said with any credibility?
Paulo Cristovao has received a suspended sentence for the crimes which he has already been convicted which must appear extraordinarily lenient to some especially when he is still accused of more serious ones.
The mysterious workings of the PT judicial system...
The Portuguese people must be well used to police officers being treated leniently by the courts so hardly surprising that many of them have little or no faith in their justice system. From what I have seen, there appears to be a different attitude to justice depending on whether the court is local, regional or national.An interesting observation, Angelo
https://www.noticiasaominuto.com/pais/1030148/paulo-pereira-cristovao-e-lider-da-juve-leo-voltam-a-julgamentoThanks for that misty.
HÁ 59 MINS POR LUSA
PAÍS JUSTIÇA (June 15 2018)
One of the 18 defendants has been separated from this process and will be judged for the arrest of a prohibited weapon, but by a singular court.
In the reading of the rules decision, the judge of the Court of Criminal Education (ICT) of Cascais delivered the pronunciation of all the defendants (ie, decided to take them to trial), practically in the same terms of the prosecution of the Prosecutor, Adding that Pereira Christopher was "the mastermind and the architect of the crime."
The procedure had gone back to the optional phase instruction in which a judge decides whether the proceedings proceed to trial-after the Cascais ICT annuls the first instruction, in Following a decision of the Supreme Court of Justice.
The Supreme Court declared the "material incompetence" of the Central Tribunal of Criminal instruction for the realization of the stage of instruction, after appeal of the defense of Paulo Pereira Christopher.
Consequently, the whole trial, which began in June 2016 and took place until February 2017, in the Criminal Central Court of Lisbon, was annulled.
The 18 defendants, among them three policemen and the cheerleader sporting Juve Leo (youth Leo), Nuno Vieira Mendes, known as ' Mustafa ', will respond again by criminal association, theft, kidnapping, possession of prohibited weapon, abuse of power, Domicile violation by employee and document forgery.
According to the prosecution of the prosecutor, Paulo Pereira Kitts (former inspector of the Judicial Police and also former vice-president of Sporting), two other defendants and the three policemen gathered information and decided which people and places to rob By the group, notably in the Lisbon area and on the South bank of the Tagus river in the same region.
The information was then transmitted to the other elements, which comprised the operational aspect of the alleged criminal network.
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Thanks for that misty.
So it seems that he hasn't got away with it like some of us feared ... good
But what is especially interesting to me is that CRISTOVAO has CHANGED HIS NAME !!!
Paulo Periera Cristovao/Cristopher is now PAULO PERIERA KITTS
I came across someone else who used a somewhat parallel means, and the name change reduced the attention on him almost completely ... virtually all the aggro from the public vanished
Thanks for that misty.
So it seems that he hasn't got away with it like some of us feared ... good
But what is especially interesting to me is that CRISTOVAO has CHANGED HIS NAME !!!
Paulo Periera Cristovao/Cristopher is now PAULO PERIERA KITTS
I came across someone else who used a somewhat parallel means, and the name change reduced the attention on him almost completely ... virtually all the aggro from the public vanished
Kit is a derivative of Christopher.
Last day of witnesses in Cristovao & Ors trial....interesting submission by Cristovao's lawyer
*snipped*
"The defense of Paulo Pereira Cristóvão, who according to the prosecution was the one who gave the information about the victims and the houses to be robbed, began to criticize the investigation of the Judicial Police and the Public Prosecutor (MP), asking that the 13 interrogation records of the defendant before the PJ were not valued as they have no audio record"
Read more here:-https://www.cmjornal.pt/portugal/detalhe/defesas-de-mustafa-e-pereira-cristovao-dizem-que-ambos-mostraram-arrependimento?ref=HP_BlocoTematico1
He might have a point. This is one crafty cookie. I wouldn't put anything past him, least of all child trafficking. In My Opinion.
Why do audio records matter when there are signed confessions? *%87
Last day of witnesses in Cristovao & Ors trial....interesting submission by Cristovao's lawyer
*snipped*
"The defense of Paulo Pereira Cristóvão, who according to the prosecution was the one who gave the information about the victims and the houses to be robbed, began to criticize the investigation of the Judicial Police and the Public Prosecutor (MP), asking that the 13 interrogation records of the defendant before the PJ were not valued as they have no audio record"
Read more here:-https://www.cmjornal.pt/portugal/detalhe/defesas-de-mustafa-e-pereira-cristovao-dizem-que-ambos-mostraram-arrependimento?ref=HP_BlocoTematico1
Oh Hells Bells!
Don't say he is going to get off scot free !
This would not surprise me.
I will be astounded if he does not.
Likely to be two years suspended if anything at all.He’ll probably receive a suspended sentence one day, be made mayor the next and then have his memoirs published by the following weekend to take him to the top of the PT bestsellers list for the rest of the year.
...And then the parents of a three year old was left to -god knows what... they walked scot free to get on with their lives.I suppose in your crazy mixed up world, what the McCanns did is far more criminal than armed robbery, torture, etc, innit babe?
Former inspector of PJ Pereira Cristóvão and Mustafá hear judgment in Cascais
Former PJ inspector Paulo Pereira Cristóvão, Leonina Youth cheerleader Mustafá, knows the ruling this Friday at the Cascais Court. At issue are home theft.
06 dec 2019,
Former Judiciary Police (PJ) inspector Paulo Pereira Cristóvão, Leonina Youth cheerleader, Nuno Mendes (Mustafá), and 15 other defendants know this Friday's ruling in the Cascais Court of the process of violent home assaults .
The president of the panel of judges, Ema Vasconcelos, set the reading of the ruling at 2 pm, after the final allegations of the defense of the 17 defendants accused by the Public Prosecutor (MP) of belonging to an alleged criminal network of violent home assaults have ended. in the Lisbon Metropolitan Area.
The 17 defendants, including three police officers, are responsible for criminal association, theft, kidnapping, possession of a prohibited weapon, abuse of power, violation of domicile by an official, and document forgery.
On October 18, MP Prosecutor Paula Ferraz defended, in her allegations, the conviction of all defendants except Celso Augusto, appointed by Pereira Cristóvão as being the person who gave information about the victims and the homes to be robbed.
In the face of the defendants' confessions, the testimony of the victims and witnesses, and all the evidence produced in the trial, which began in February this year, the MP gave evidence of the facts and the involvement of the defendants in the robberies of a Cascais residence in February 27, 2014, and another one on Avenida do Brasil, in Lisbon, in April of that year.
The prosecutor considered that, in these two assaults, the crime of joining the criminal association was proven, because “there was a hierarchy that was respected and that always worked the same way”: Pereira Cristóvão outlined the plan and gave instructions on targets to Mustafa, who passed them to brother Paulo Santos (known as Bábá).
The latter, in turn, transmitted the information to the defendants who carried out the robberies, namely to two defendant policemen, responsible for forging search warrants and simulating fictitious searches to enter the victims' homes.
After the removal of Mustafá, Paulo Santos and Pereira Cristóvão, the remaining defendants continued to carry out robberies, especially on the south bank of the Tagus River.
In these assaults, the Public Prosecution Service assumed no criminal association, as there was no hierarchy, but rather a co-authorship, because "they acted jointly and in concert". He also called for the conviction of the defendants involved in the other crimes they are accused of.
On October 25, Mustafá's defense asked the court for an opportunity to redeem himself through a suspended sentence, while Paulo Pereira Cristóvão's lawyer also admitted the condemnation of his client in the “exact and fair measure of the acts performed”, that is. It is because it has helped, even without knowing it, the practice of violent assaults.
The remaining lawyers asked the panel of judges to take into account the attitude and collaboration of their clients demonstrated at trial.
https://observador.pt/2019/12/06/antigo-inspetor-da-pj-pereira-cristovao-e-mustafa-conhecem-acordao-em-cascais/
It's, quite possible other police knew this was going on but being really good honourable policemen they covered up for their colleagues
Perhaps that may be so but I am getting the strong impression the Republic is working very hard indeed in efforts to clean up its legal system http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=7060.msg564647#msg564647
It will be interesting round about 2.00pm today to see what penalties if any will be given to Paulo Pereira Cristovao in that context.
Erm, has Cristovao been convicted? Just checking.
He's been sentenced to seven & a half years. 8((()*/ &^^&*
https://observador.pt/2019/12/06/pereira-cristovao-foi-condenado-a-mais-de-sete-anos-de-prisao-e-mustafa-a-seis/
(The ink will already be dry on the appeal papers....)
Oh My Goodness.
Of course it will. Does he get to stay free in the meantime?
I'm astounded.
With reference to the "hierarchy" with Cristovao at the head mentioned in the link provided by Misty, I think he got off very lightly indeed.
At one time I think the success of the appeal would have been a mere formality: but I think the situation regarding Judge Rui Rangel might very well be a game changer.
Judge Rui Rangel isn't the only one who needs looking at.
Agreed.
Rui Rangel is quite an important one though and has a very definite proven connection to Goncalo Amaral: he has also gone out of his way to sit on crime television programmes to discuss Madeleine's case.
Rui Rangel is an appeal court judge who is presently being investigated for trying to sell his influence to alter court decisions in four cases. At the moment I don't think there is evidence he actually did ... only that he tried to.
It is all a really murky situation which could see two appeal court judges being dismissed in circumstances which must shake the confidence of the people of the Republic in the fairness of their judicial system.
Most of The Appeal Court and Supreme Court Judges are Old School and Pre Revolution. Tis strange how often they over rule The Court of The First Instance who aren't.
Oh My Goodness.
Of course it will. Does he get to stay free in the meantime?
According to press reports he will remain free pending his appeal, although I'm not sure why.
I've also just found this report in a South American media outlet, which includes the following allegation:
Gonçalo Amaral, que había sido el investigador jefe del caso Madeleine McCann, también está sospechado de participar en la red criminal. No obstante, seguirá en libertad hasta que se defina su situación judicial.
which translates to
Gonçalo Amaral, who had been the chief investigator of the Madeleine McCann case, is also suspected of participating in the criminal network . However, he will remain free until his judicial situation is defined.
https://www.infobae.com/america/mundo/2019/12/07/el-arresto-de-un-policia-sacude-el-caso-madeleine-mccann-a-12-anos-de-la-desaparicion-de-la-nina/
Chickens, home & roost spring to mind. Is this the sensitive situation PJ have been silently working on?
According to press reports he will remain free pending his appeal, although I'm not sure why.
I've also just found this report in a South American media outlet, which includes the following allegation:
Gonçalo Amaral, que había sido el investigador jefe del caso Madeleine McCann, también está sospechado de participar en la red criminal. No obstante, seguirá en libertad hasta que se defina su situación judicial.
which translates to
Gonçalo Amaral, who had been the chief investigator of the Madeleine McCann case, is also suspected of participating in the criminal network . However, he will remain free until his judicial situation is defined.
https://www.infobae.com/america/mundo/2019/12/07/el-arresto-de-un-policia-sacude-el-caso-madeleine-mccann-a-12-anos-de-la-desaparicion-de-la-nina/
Chickens, home & roost spring to mind. Is this the sensitive situation PJ have been silently working on?
According to press reports he will remain free pending his appeal, although I'm not sure why.
I've also just found this report in a South American media outlet, which includes the following allegation:
Gonçalo Amaral, que había sido el investigador jefe del caso Madeleine McCann, también está sospechado de participar en la red criminal. No obstante, seguirá en libertad hasta que se defina su situación judicial.
which translates to
Gonçalo Amaral, who had been the chief investigator of the Madeleine McCann case, is also suspected of participating in the criminal network . However, he will remain free until his judicial situation is defined.
https://www.infobae.com/america/mundo/2019/12/07/el-arresto-de-un-policia-sacude-el-caso-madeleine-mccann-a-12-anos-de-la-desaparicion-de-la-nina/
Chickens, home & roost spring to mind. Is this the sensitive situation PJ have been silently working on?
According to press reports he will remain free pending his appeal, although I'm not sure why.
I've also just found this report in a South American media outlet, which includes the following allegation:
Gonçalo Amaral, que había sido el investigador jefe del caso Madeleine McCann, también está sospechado de participar en la red criminal. No obstante, seguirá en libertad hasta que se defina su situación judicial.
which translates to
Gonçalo Amaral, who had been the chief investigator of the Madeleine McCann case, is also suspected of participating in the criminal network . However, he will remain free until his judicial situation is defined.
https://www.infobae.com/america/mundo/2019/12/07/el-arresto-de-un-policia-sacude-el-caso-madeleine-mccann-a-12-anos-de-la-desaparicion-de-la-nina/
Chickens, home & roost spring to mind. Is this the sensitive situation PJ have been silently working on?
Compare Cristovao's face in The Mail to that Smithman E-Fit.
According to press reports he will remain free pending his appeal, although I'm not sure why.
I've also just found this report in a South American media outlet, which includes the following allegation:
Gonçalo Amaral, que había sido el investigador jefe del caso Madeleine McCann, también está sospechado de participar en la red criminal. No obstante, seguirá en libertad hasta que se defina su situación judicial.
which translates to
Gonçalo Amaral, who had been the chief investigator of the Madeleine McCann case, is also suspected of participating in the criminal network . However, he will remain free until his judicial situation is defined.
https://www.infobae.com/america/mundo/2019/12/07/el-arresto-de-un-policia-sacude-el-caso-madeleine-mccann-a-12-anos-de-la-desaparicion-de-la-nina/
Chickens, home & roost spring to mind. Is this the sensitive situation PJ have been silently working on?
Cristovao wasn't the sort to dirty his own hands but influencd and got others to do his bidding.
Hi Eleanor, here is a comparison.
Cristovao wasn't the sort to dirty his own hands but influencd and got others to do his bidding.
South America news outlet,says it all.Whose news outlets do you trust, out of interest?
I wasn't thinking he actually went into the appartment.
Do they not jail ex-cops in Portugal, regardless of the seriousness of the crime? What a farce.
Do they not jail ex-cops in Portugal, regardless of the seriousness of the crime? What a farce.
It won't be much fun for a PJ Officer to spend time in prison.
It won't be much fun for a PJ Officer to spend time in prison.
Do they not jail ex-cops in Portugal, regardless of the seriousness of the crime? What a farce.
I have to agree, will everyone convicted in Portugal now escape prison until their appeal is heard...somehow I think not... a farce indeed!
20 years ago convicted Portuguese police officers had their own special jail. I'm not sure if that's still the case as I have a vague recollection of Cristovao incarcerated temporarily in Evora prison.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2000/jul/09/theobserver3
A great find. As ever.
What exactly do you find great about it ?
Your life must be enriched by this knowledge.Your life is clearly enriched by writing sarky barbs on a backwater forum, why judge?
Your life must be enriched by this knowledge.
Your life must be enriched by this knowledge.
I know that The Portuguese Police are despised by the population at large. They and The Old Guard have ruled by fear for far too long.
Are you Portuguese national? If not, why should it be of any interest to you ?
I know that The Portuguese Police are despised by the population at large. They and The Old Guard have ruled by fear for far too long.
Are you Portuguese national? If not, why should it be of any interest to you ?
Because I haven't got anything better to do.
Do you concern yourself with all justice systems throughout the world, or is it just Portugal ?
Personally, I would be more concerned about the justice system that I was subject to, rather than that od another country.
France has always treated me very well. Much more so than England ever did. The Gendarmes are always polite to old people. And short of one request to "Please drive more slowly, Madame", I have never had a problem.
I don't think the UK police are impolite to old people, are they? I once had a young policewoman call me 'mate' which I didn't appreciate, mind.
No Gendarme would ever call me Mate. But then good manners is inherent in France.
Mainland European countries are like the UK used to be imo.
In my opinion Cristovao was the Godfather of this gang but I doubt the seven year sentence handed down reflects that and it remains to be seen how long it will take for the appeal to be even heard.
I doubt he will serve his sentence.
I think the underlings who acted on his instructions will do the time.
Do you concern yourself with all justice systems throughout the world, or is it just Portugal ?
Personally, I would be more concerned about the justice system that I was subject to, rather than that od another country.
Thank You to Brietta for this.Do you have a cite for this extraordinary, potentially libelous claim? Or are you exempt?
Worth a read or a re read if you have the patience. I have just done it.
I remain very concerned about the association between Cristovao and Amaral. Both of whom tried to implicate The McCanns.
Amaral has since gone on to try to protect Breuckner. Why would he do this?
Do you have a cite for this extraordinary, potentially libelous claim? Or are you exempt?
It's all documented on this Forum. And even on this Thread.That didn't wash for me the other day when you were demanding Pamela Fenn's much read statement, with the threat of deleted comments.
That didn't wash for me the other day when you were demanding Pamela Fenn's much read statement, with the threat of deleted comments.
So you should be held to the same standard.
Did I do that?Selective amnesia and an inability to provide a cite. A heady combination.
The Star of Madeleine and The Truth of The Lie.€€€
Written by Cristovao and Amaral at the same time. Both pointing the finger at The McCanns. I wonder why they did that.
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That's what I thought to begin with. But now I'm not so sure.There’s a fascinating documentary on Netflix called the Innocent Man about two murders of young women in Ada Oaklahoma in the 1980s and the subsequent false confessions by and stitching up of innocent men in order to protect the real culprits who were involved in shady drug dealings with bent cops who deliberately looked the other way to protect themselves from being outed and implicated in criminal wrong-doing. You wouldn’t believe it could happen but it did. John Grisham wrote his only non-fiction book about it.
There’s a fascinating documentary on Netflix called the Innocent Man about two murders of young women in Ada Oaklahoma in the 1980s and the subsequent false confessions by and stitching up of innocent men in order to protect the real culprits who were involved in shady drug dealings with bent cops who deliberately looked the other way to protect themselves from being outed and implicated in criminal wrong-doing. You wouldn’t believe it could happen but it did. John Grisham wrote his only non-fiction book about it.
I don't know what Cristovao and Amaral thought they were up to, But these two were closely involved in both cases.No idea but I sure would be interested in a properly researched book or documentary about the case and all those associated with it.
Didn't Amaral send for Cristovao to go down to The Algarve in The Cipriano Case? Why would he have done that?
I don't know what Cristovao and Amaral thought they were up to, But these two were closely involved in both cases.
Didn't Amaral send for Cristovao to go down to The Algarve in The Cipriano Case? Why would he have done that?
And between them they have kept the ball rolling since day one of Madeleine's disappearance and every day since. Cristovao was appearing in documentaries until very recently.
Amaral was proactively interfering in the German investigation into Madeleine's case.
Both became media personalities who never missed an opportunity to traduce the McCanns while Amaral has gone out of his way to uphold Brueckner's presumption of innocence - even stating that he is a patsy.
Along with a couple of faked up photographs, designed as lies actually. What on earth did Amaral think he was doing?
Which photos is that?
- Brueckner + hippie hair extensions
- the Volkswagon with added cartoons
Along with a couple of faked up photographs, designed as lies actually. What on earth did Amaral think he was doing?
Amaral had to break cover in his efforts to throw a spanner into the works of the German investigation; I think his alleged incompetence when he was actually on the job might be worth a further look.
Thu, 4 Jun 2020
Mark Saunokonoko from Nine News in Australia, who has a podcasts dedicated to the case, told Heather du Plessis-Allan this is the biggest development since the case was shut down.
"There's a lot of other circumstantial evidence that you would have to overlook in order to think that this German guy is the culprit."
Mr Saunokonoko said he interviewed the lead detective on the case back in 2007 Goncalo Amaral last year, who claimed :
, who was known to be in the area at the time.
"It was really unusual to hear what Goncalo Amaral was saying 14 months ago suddenly happened overnight."[/b]
https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/heather-du-plessis-allan-drive/audio/mark-saunokonoko-new-suspect-in-the-madelein-mccann-case/
So once again Amaral has blundered it seems. He said that,
"The British Police were keen to wrap up the case, and were to use a German paedophile as a scape goat "
... and yet here we are with PT joining Germany against Brueckner and we (SY) are refusing to commit. They still think Madeleine may still be alive.
Amaral didn't say how the British police were going to use CB as a scapegoat. As he's German and in their hands it seems to me a good plan to let the Germans take it on. Whatever happens thereafter, Operation Grange have clean hands.Amaral's not very bright is he? If the British were using CB as a scapegoat they wouldn't have made all the statements they have made about the case recently would they?
Amaral didn't say how the British police were going to use CB as a scapegoat. As he's German and in their hands it seems to me a good plan to let the Germans take it on. Whatever happens thereafter, Operation Grange have clean hands.I'm surprised they haven't moved to extradite this suspect, given the surfeit of evidence OG have been briefed about.
I'm surprised they haven't moved to extradite this suspect, given the surfeit of evidence OG have been briefed about.
Better a prosecution stands or falls in Germany perhaps.....or they the CPS would dismiss it out of hand. Plus selecting a jury would be nigh on impossible, given the fact that everyone in the civilised world have been told what CB has for breakfast and know the layout of his cell.
....or they the CPS would dismiss it out of hand. Plus selecting a jury would be nigh on impossible, given the fact that everyone in the civilised world have been told what CB has for breakfast and know the layout of his cell.
Jury? In Germany?
The discussion was about the UK extraditing CB for prosecution here.Afaiaa.
Afaiaa.
That could never happen now we are out of the EU...
Afaiaa.
That could never happen now we are out of the EU...
Can still happen.
Hendry has an international arrest warrant against him for his extradition to the UK on charges of drug trafficking and belonging to a criminal gang in Liverpool.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/jan/21/british-fugitive-arrested-in-spain-24-hours-after-appeal-launched#:~:text=One%20of%20Britain's%20most%20wanted,him%20out%20walking%20a%20dog.
As I understand Germany are very reluctant at extradition outside the EU involving a German citizen
Do you have a source?
I was relying on memory but found this
Germany manages the extradition of its citizens differently from non-citizens. The reason for this is that according to Article 16 Grundgesetz (German Constitution), German citizens enjoy special protection that is only granted to them. According to this provision, Germans cannot be deported to other states, except other EU member states or international courts. However, what is important to note is third countries (non-EU states) are not recognised as potential extradition destinations under the German Constitution and extradition to those countries is prohibited.
Will he not have served his sentence by now, or at least be out on parole?I expect he could have said "no thanks" unless Portugal is now pressganging its criminals into fighting other people's wars. The issue isn't so much him going off to Ukraine whilst still an inmate, but more the fact that parts of the PT press appears to be feting him as some sort of hero whilst failing to mention his career as an armed robber.
Not sure that being in a country at war can be described as much of an international freedom
This man is dangerous. In fact I wouldn't be at all surprised if he was involved in Madeleine's disappearance.
There is a very nice photo of him and Amaral along with the lovely Sofia after her face and body lift. What ever happened to her I wonder?
This man is dangerous. In fact I wouldn't be at all surprised if he was involved in Madeleine's disappearance.
There is a very nice photo of him and Amaral along with the lovely Sofia after her face and body lift. What ever happened to her I wonder?
Well he looks a good deal more like one of The Smiths sighting images than Gerry ever did.
I also wonder, why was he put in charge of the new * Portuguese Association for Missing Children *, but refuse to include the missing Madeleine?
What I would like to know is, * Who appointed such an unsuitable (IMO) man to such a position? * . And I think that if I were investigating, I would have a good look at him too.
IMO. Just my wonderings
Well he looks a good deal more like one of The Smiths sighting images than Gerry ever did.
I also wonder, why was he put in charge of the new * Portuguese Association for Missing Children *, but refuse to include the missing Madeleine?
What I would like to know is, * Who appointed such an unsuitable (IMO) man to such a position? * . And I think that if I were investigating, I would have a good look at him too.
IMO. Just my wonderings