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Offline John

Re: The Trial Of Derek Chauvin, Death Of George Floyd
« Reply #60 on: April 05, 2021, 01:58:37 PM »
As virtually the entire incident was filmed there will of course be evidence of Floyd’s violent and aggressive behaviour.  Like the part where he apologises when he comes out of the car perhaps, or the part where he begs the cops not to kill him.

Was that before or after he was seen to flail his feet out at the officers who were helping him out of the patrol car again?
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline John

Re: The Trial Of Derek Chauvin, Death Of George Floyd
« Reply #61 on: April 05, 2021, 02:01:29 PM »
One decent witness did say he saw FG foaming at the mouth. My opinion, not worth anything I know, It could be 50/50 blame for the struggle getting out of hand. However, FG didn't deserve to die that way, and that responsibility would be on the Police officer.

would FG have been so aggressively resistant had he NOT been intoxicated? or feared  being jailed for being in possession of drugs with intent to sell?

I watched most of the court tapes last week including the one where he was initially arrested in his own car. The look of abject horror on his face was quite discernible. He knew then that he was going back to jail and he wasn't a happy bunny.
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: The Trial Of Derek Chauvin, Death Of George Floyd
« Reply #62 on: April 05, 2021, 02:25:22 PM »
Was that before or after he was seen to flail his feet out at the officers who were helping him out of the patrol car again?
Perhsps you can supply a link to the video which shows this? 
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline John

Re: The Trial Of Derek Chauvin, Death Of George Floyd
« Reply #63 on: April 05, 2021, 06:19:46 PM »
Perhsps you can supply a link to the video which shows this?

Thanks VS, I just spent four hours looking for the video you requested, most folks haven't probably seen it so it is worth posting.

Go to.  https://lawofselfdefense.com/chauvin-trial-day-3-wrap-up-floyd-was-high-with-foam-around-his-mouth/

Scroll down to  McMillian Direct Questioning

The video is directly underneath.  Watch from 20.21

Kicking out. 22.18
« Last Edit: April 05, 2021, 06:26:01 PM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: The Trial Of Derek Chauvin, Death Of George Floyd
« Reply #64 on: April 05, 2021, 07:00:14 PM »
Thanks VS, I just spent four hours looking for the video you requested, most folks haven't probably seen it so it is worth posting.

Go to.  https://lawofselfdefense.com/chauvin-trial-day-3-wrap-up-floyd-was-high-with-foam-around-his-mouth/

Scroll down to  McMillian Direct Questioning

The video is directly underneath.  Watch from 20.21

Kicking out. 22.18
Resisting arrest by kicking out yes, very distressing to watch, he clearly had some mental health issues IMO.  Obviously the police needed to bring him under control but nothing excuses what happened after he stopped resisting IMO.
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline John

Re: The Trial Of Derek Chauvin, Death Of George Floyd
« Reply #65 on: April 05, 2021, 07:13:00 PM »
An interesting fact I came across recently which will show just how skewed the justice system is towards the prosecution.  Readers might be shocked to learn that the prosecution in this case have no less than 30 attorneys at their disposal whereas Mr Chauvin has one, and that is Mr Nelson.

The prosecution can alternate prosecutors as often as they like but the unfortunate Mr Nelson is on his own every day for possibly up to four weeks or more. That is the scales of justice in America for you.
« Last Edit: April 05, 2021, 07:17:09 PM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Admin

Re: The Trial Of Derek Chauvin, Death Of George Floyd
« Reply #66 on: April 06, 2021, 01:32:20 PM »
An interesting fact I came across recently which will show just how skewed the justice system is towards the prosecution.  Readers might be shocked to learn that the prosecution in this case have no less than 30 attorneys at their disposal whereas Mr Chauvin has one, and that is Mr Nelson.

The prosecution can alternate prosecutors as often as they like but the unfortunate Mr Nelson is on his own every day for possibly up to four weeks or more. That is the scales of justice in America for you.

It just goes to show how determined this state is to set an example with Chauvin.

Offline John

Re: The Trial Of Derek Chauvin, Death Of George Floyd
« Reply #67 on: April 06, 2021, 03:10:23 PM »
A Summary of the trial - Week 2 Day 1

First to testify was Dr. Bradford Wankhede Langenfeld, who was the emergency room physician who treated Floyd upon arrival at Hennepin County Medical Center. It seems likely that Langenfeld essentially considered Floyd dead on arrival. When someone’s been in cardiac arrest for 30 or so minutes, the odds aren’t good. At no time under Dr. Langenfeld’s care was Floyd anything other than flatlined in terms of cardiac function.

In fact, Floyd had little meaningful cardiac activity when picked up by the paramedics on scene, little cardiac activity en route to HCMC, little cardiac activity upon arrival at HCMC, and little cardiac activity after treatment by Dr. Langenfeld. Ultimately it would be Dr. Langenfeld who would officially pronounce Floyd dead at HCMC, but the likely reality is that Floyd died some considerable time prior to the official “call.”

Prosecutor Blackwell made sure to emphasize the importance of initiating prompt care in cases of cardiac arrest, again hitting on the possible criminal liability claim of failure to provide timely medical care. One money quote from Dr. Langenfeld is that every minute CPR is delayed in a case of cardiac arrest means a 10-15% decrease in survival of the patient. Of course, the fact that Dr. Langenfeld possessed this factoid does not mean that it was possessed by Chauvin or the officers on scene, who are, after all, police, not doctors.

Much as was the case with the bystanders, Dr. Langenfeld found himself working with only partial information about what had occurred generally, and about his patient in particular. For example, Dr. Langenfeld had no information about Floyd’s apparent ingestion of a lethal dose of fentanyl/methamphetamine cocktail upon contact by police, and thus could not consider that likely cause of respiratory depression and cardiac arrest result in his differential analysis of Floyd.

Specifically, in his testimony Dr. Langenfeld told prosecutor Blackwell on direct that he had no report that the patient had overdosed on a specific medication for which there might be a specific antidote.  In fact, of course, Floyd had overdosed on the opioid fentanyl, for which there is a specific antidote.  That information, however, did not reach Langenfeld.

Why didn’t Langenfeld know that Floyd had likely overdosed on drugs?  Well, arguably because the paramedics didn’t tell him. Why didn’t the paramedics tell him? Because they themselves had probably not received that information from the officers on scene.  Why didn’t the paramedics get the information from the officers on scene? Likely because the angry and threatening crowd compelled the paramedics to do a “load and scoot” to vacate the area of danger promptly, very much limiting the opportunity to exchange information with the officers.

This poses the question, did the angry crowd actually kill Floyd, by interfering with his effective and efficient medical treatment?

Blackwell spent quite a bit of time in direct of Langenfeld getting the doctor to opine that the most likely cause of Floyd’s cardiac arrest was hypoxia, lack of oxygen in the tissues, induced by asphyxia, the inability of the respiratory system to deliver oxygen to the biological systems of the body.

None of that, of course, actually settles the key issue of what actually caused Floyd’s death. Even if asphyxia caused Floyd’s death, that doesn’t tell us that Chauvin killed Floyd via mechanical asphyxiation via compression of the neck.  At least, not when there’s a perfectly viable, and evidence-supported alternative explanation for Floyd’s asphyxia—the three-fold fatal levels of fentanyl in Floyd’s system.

After all, as even Langenfeld himself confirmed today, the means by which fentanyl kills its victims is by suppression of respiration. That’s just another form of asphyxiation. And we have actual toxicology results to support the fentanyl levels. There’s literally zero evidence of how much pressure the 140-pound Chauvin might have been applying, or not, to the neck of the 230-pound Floyd.

A common theme running through Dr. Landenberg’s testimony was this: “Based on the information I had at the time …”. Indeed, that’s how he closed out his direct testimony.  That is, of course, just another way of saying “I had only limited information about what was going on with this patient and what had led up to his present circumstances, and my expert opinion must therefore be considered profoundly constrained by that limited information.”

On cross-examination by the one and only defence attorney Nelson, who explicitly asked if a fentanyl, methamphetamine, or a combination of the two could cause the hypoxia observed by Dr. Landenberg. The answer was, of course, “yes.”

Nelson also confirmed that the paramedics had never informed Landenberg about the possibility that Floyd’s condition was the result of a drug overdose, probably for the reasons already discussed.

Touching upon the state’s apparent line of argument that Floyd’s long history of opioid abuse meant he was somehow immune to fatal overdose, Nelson explicitly asked Landenberg if a history of abuse meant fentanyl can’t kill someone.  The answer was, of course, “no.”

Nelson also managed to get into testimony the following question, exploring further alternative explanations for Floyd’s cardiac arrest: “Would someone with a >75% occlusion of a coronary artery be at substantial risk of cardiac arrest?”

The state objected to the question, and Judge Cahill called a sidebar (he prudently doesn’t allow arguing over objections in the hearing of the jury). When Nelson returned to question Landenberg he proceeded with a different line of questioning, suggesting that Cahill had sustained the state’s objection on the occluded coronary artery question.

Why might Cahill have agreed to not allow that question? Could it be because Landenberg was present as a personal knowledge witness, and not as an expert witness. That means he can testify about what he knows personally about the events in which he was involved, but he doesn’t have the privilege of an expert witness to opine about hypotheticals—if he does, he’s engaged in speculation, and knowledge witnesses aren’t allowed to speculate.

And that was pretty much it for cross of Langenfeld.

Re-direct by Blackwell was pretty weak, as has been the trend in this trial.  He touched back on an earlier, weak, line of argument he’d made previously, that fentanyl makes people sleepy, and Floyd was patently not sleepy while he was violently resisting lawful arrest, and that must mean that Floyd could not have been on high levels of fentanyl.

We have the definitive tox results on fentanyl levels, and they were three-times fatal dose.  We also have the chemical analysis results of the pills found both in the Mercedes SUV and the squad car, the latter covered in Floyd’s saliva and DNA, and they were a combination of fentanyl and methamphetamine—and the methamphetamine component is obviously a powerful stimulant that would explain away the lack of sleepiness.

(Summary acknowledgment Attorney Andrew Branca)
« Last Edit: April 06, 2021, 04:22:32 PM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline John

Re: The Trial Of Derek Chauvin, Death Of George Floyd
« Reply #68 on: April 06, 2021, 03:33:38 PM »
A Summary of the trial - Week 2 Day 1 cont'd...

Up next was state's witness, MPD Police Chief Medaria Arradondo.

Direct questioning of Chief Arrandondo was conducted by Prosecutor Schleicher, and he returned to his earlier emphasis on the “soft” values of the Minneapolis Police Department—compassion, dignity, guardianship, respect, be courteous, be polite, and so forth.  Little or no emphasis was placed on the “protect” part of the “protect and serve” motto common to most police departments.

Arrandondo even testified that it’s the mission of the MPD “to treat all people with dignity and respect above all else.”

By Schleicher’s telling, and with Arrandondo’s agreement, the job of the police department was mostly touchie-feelie, and any use of force was apparently an implicit indication that the officer involved had failed to do the right touchie-feelie stuff.

Schleicher spent considerable time walking Arrandondo through the MPD’s use-of-force policies, as well, several times having the Chief read aloud specific highlighted portions of that policy manual.

Schleicher also spent a lot of time talking about various MPD de-escalation policies. Noticeable as he worked through the list of explicit de-escalation options was that either the officers on scene with Floyd had already executed those steps, or the steps were likely not practical given the circumstances.

One option for de-escalation was that an officer could call for back-up. Well, Keung and Lane got back-up, in the form of Chauvin and Thau.

Another option was to use verbal commands to de-escalate. Well, Lane did that on his initial approach to Floyd sitting in the passenger seat of the SUV, and to which Floyd was non-compliant—SHOW ME YOUR HANDS! Nope—and then forcibly resistant.

Other options were the use of barriers—you mean like using a squad car as a barrier?—and containing the threat—you mean like physically restraining the threat?

It was also important, according to Arrandondo, for the officers to get as much information as they could before responding to the scene. The notion that the officers were limited to the information offered by dispatch, and dispatch in turn was limited to the information offered by the complainant, didn’t seem to be in anyone’s mind.

Chief Arrandondo actually suggested that officers reaching out to the community itself for help is a viable option.  So in this case the officers should have sought assistance from, whom, Maurice Hall the purported drug dealer? MMA Williams, who was threatening the officers with physical violence? The off-duty firefighter gal who was calling the officers “b!tch”?

Schleicher also disingenuously referred to a previous argument he’d raised, which was that all this happened to Floyd simply because Floyd attempted to pass a bad $20 bill, an offence normally addressed by police with a mere summons (ticket) to appear in court. Surely that’s nothing to die over, right?

Unstated, of course, is that what might have started as a mere bad $20 call quickly escalated, and solely as a result of Floyd’s own conduct. When approached by officers in his vehicle, he repeatedly refused to show his hands, compelling them to draw their service pistols. As the apparent operator of a motor vehicle, there were additional safety grounds to remove him from the vehicle and temporarily detain him, which includes handcuffing—which technically is not even an arrest, if the detention is transitory.

Then the apparent drugs were discovered, Floyd began to violently resist the officers’ commands, then violently resisted lawful arrest, and bang, we were off to the races.

The officers didn’t do that. Floyd did that. I’m sure they would have been much happier to have simply written him a summons than to get into a physical fight with a 6’ 6” 230-pound man who was disinterested in being arrested that day.

Schleicher also spent quite a bit of time on the MPD “critical decision-making model.” Schleicher must believe this model generally favours the defence, and he’s decided that rather than attempt to avoid the model he’s going to go hard on offense.

The way he does this is to point out that the “critical decision-making model” obliges the police to continually consider the totality of the circumstances in arriving at their use-of-force (and other) decisions.  And that’s true.

Schleicher is using this line of argument to suggest that the officers arresting Floyd failed to consider all the relevant factors in a timely manner, continued to use force when the circumstances no longer warranted the use of force, and therefore acted wrongfully.

Then we got to what I’m sure will be the money headline of the day, and that was when prosecutor Schleicher asked if Chauvin’s specific neck restraint was a trained MPD defensive tactics technique.  Arrandondo unequivocally stated that it was not.

The question asked if Chauvin’s specific neck restraint was a trained MPD defensive tactic, and Addarondo answered in the negative. But it turns out that, although he doesn’t offer this context in his answer, Addarondo’s negative response is based on a whole wealth of what he perceives as important circumstances.

Specifically, Addarondo was not testifying that the knee on the neck restraint was contrary to policy, per se—he can’t because neck restraints were explicitly permitted by MPD policy in effect at the time of Floyd’s arrest–but rather that it was contrary to policy for the length of time it was applied.

But that’s now just a judgment call.  There’s nothing in the MPD policy about any specific length of duration of the neck restraint. Presumably the neck restraint is permitted as long as circumstances warrant. Which begs the question of what the circumstances warrant, which makes it all a judgment call.

It’s also important to recognize that just because a restraint might not be per policy if used as a defensive fighting technique doesn’t mean it couldn’t be justified for some other purpose—such as the trained full-body restraint of a suspect believed to be a victim of excited delirium.

Another complaint Addarondo had about Chauvin’s particular use of force was that the MPD policy in effect at the time allowed only light or moderate pressure to be applied. Based on Chauvin’s so-called “shimmy” body movements and Floyd’s pained expression, Addarondo inferred that Chauvin was applying greater than moderate pressure.

It should go without saying, of course, that there is no way Addarondo can know, by merely looking at a video, how much pressure Chauvin was actually applying—and remember, guilt must be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. Further, we know that the medical examiner found zero indication of trauma to Floyd’s neck.

As for Floyd’s pained expression, we have the earlier testimony of his co-addict lady friend that the same pills had previously caused Floyd an overdose involving such tremendous intestinal and body pain that he’d begged her to take him to the hospital—and this was only about a year prior to Floyd’s death, and involving essentially identical pills as those he consumed on May 25, 2020. I’ve little doubt that Floyd was indeed in great pain, but there’s an evidence-based explanation for that pain other than Chauvin’s knee.

Of course, Addarondo never mentioned a word about Floyd’s overdose on the fentanyl/methamphetamine cocktail potentially contributing to his painful demise. After all, even if we presume Chauvin’s knee was out of policy, that doesn’t mean it killed Floyd, given the perfectly legitimate alternative explanations for Floyd’s cause of death.

Schleicher, like Blackwell before him, also touched on the argument that the officers failed to provide Floyd with timely care.

Cross-examination was, of course, conducted by attorney Nelson.

Nelson emphasised how far removed Addarondo was from hands-on policing. Indeed, given the hedging in Addarondo’s responses it seemed likely that he’d only ever physically arrested a very small number of suspects before managing to get himself promoted off the street.

Nelson also got Addarondo to concede that his expertise on MPD use-of-force was at the policy level, and not at the tactical hands-on training level.  He could speak to what MPD policy might allow or prohibit, but his knowledge of how the officers were actually trained or what they were obliged to do on the street in carrying out their duties was not a topic on which he could claim great knowledge.

And here we get to the point in cross that illustrates how dangerous it is to rely on the media’s general coverage of only the state’s narrative of guilt. You’ll recall that on direct Addarondo had explicitly stated that Chauvin’s knee technique appeared to him not a trained MPD technique, and Schleicher had Addarondo quote extensively from that policy—but only certain portions of that policy.

On cross-examination, Nelson had Addarondo read aloud the portions of policy that Schleicher had skipped, and it was all the portions that made the policies conditional.  For example, that the force used by officers must be objectively reasonable in light of the facts and circumstances known to the officer at the time force is used.

Nelson also had Addarondo acknowledge that the purported objective legal standard of the US Supreme Court decision of Graham v. Connor, generally agreed upon as a core principle of the MPD policy manual, also required that this purportedly objective analysis consider all the subjective knowledge, training, experience, and circumstances known to the officer at the time. Further Graham v. Connor cautioned against judging the actions of the officers with 20:20 hindsight, noting that officers often had to make split-second decisions under dangerous circumstances.  Perfection cannot be expected from mere human beings, merely reasonableness.

When Nelson asked Addarondo whether it was true that all MPD policies relevant to use-of-force, to EMS response, to medical treatment, whatever, all of them are by their explicit language situationally dependent, Addarondo was obliged to answer “Yes, I would agree with that.”

Several times during cross of Addarondo Nelson made use of a clever gambit used once or twice on other state’s witnesses, especially those claiming some level of expertise on a relevant issue.  When the witness realises that Nelson was leading them to a conclusion with which they didn’t want to agree, they’d start hedging their testimony—well, I’m not sure, it depends, I don’t know if I would agree with that.

In response, Nelson would suggest that perhaps it would be better to defer that specific question to, say, a use-of-force expert.  The witness would readily agree, because they saw this as an escape from the question they didn’t want to be compelled to answer.

What this gambit does rhetorically, however, is substantially undercut the witness’ apparent expertise on the subject being asked about.  Hey, look, even they are saying they don’t really know that much about this subject, and we should instead listen to a real use-of-force expert (which, unstated, the defence will be glad to present to all you jurors in a few days).

Previously Nelson had gotten away with this little trick without objection by the state. Today, however, when Nelson pulled this trick several times with Addarondo, Schleicher was all over it, objecting each time Nelson made use of it.  Despite Schleicher’s best efforts, however, each time an objection was raised Nelson would look over at Judge Cahill with the most innocent “who me?” expression you’re ever likely to see on a lawyer’s face, and Cahill overruled the state’s objection.

Nelson also explored with Addarondo the reality that there was a distinction between use-of-force policy, on the one hand, and permissible use-of-force techniques, on the other.  That is, all use of force had to exist within the boundaries of policy, but whereas there might be one “best practice” handcuff technique, for example, that was formally taught by MPD trainers, there might be two or three alternative techniques that while not formally taught also fell within the boundaries of MPD policy.   To this proposition Addarondo agreed.

Nelson had, superficially, less success when he attempted to get Addarondo to concede that a police use of force often looked ugly and unpleasant to bystanders, who therefore might be likely to find objectionable even perfectly appropriate uses of force.

The state objected to this line of questioning as speculative, and Cahill upheld the objection, so Addarondo did not have to answer—but, of course, the jury heard the question proposed in the first place, and in many respects the question itself was more important than any answer.

Perhaps the most notable line of questioning of Addarondo by Nelson occurred when Nelson showed the Chief two videos of Chauvin’s knee near Floyd’s neck, but with the videos shot from different angles—one was the bystander video, the other a body worn camera video.

When asked if the bystander video made it appear that Chauvin’s knee was on Floyd’s neck, the Chief answered that it did appear to be located there.

When then asked if the body worn camera video made it appear that Chauvin’s knee was not on Floyd’s neck, but on Floyd’s shoulder blade, the Chief agreed that this also appeared to be the case.

The state would respond on re-direct by having Addarondo claim that he noticed this discrepancy only in the last few seconds before the paramedics swept up Floyd, and that prior to that point it appeared throughout that Chauvin’s knee was on Floyd’s neck—but I can’t help but wonder if this video angle disparity might not encourage some of the jurors to view the videos with more skepticism than might otherwise have been the case.

Importantly, Nelson also got Addarondo to explicitly agree that just because a suspect was handcuffed did not mean they were no longer a threat to officers, others, or themselves.  Indeed, Addarondo explicitly agreed that a handcuffed suspect could still be a threat to officers by kicking, biting, spitting, or other means.

There was also a great deal of discussion about neck chokes (which means airway chokes in this context) versus neck restraints (which includes both constrictive neck constraints intended to cause loss of consciousness, permitted only under deadly force circumstances, on the one hand, and neck restraints intended to, well, restrain the suspect without inducing loss of consciousness, permitted when dealing with non-compliant suspects, on the other hand).  With respect to the neck constraints, either arm or leg constriction was explicitly permitted by MPD use of force policy at the time (since changed to prohibit).

Frankly, however, I don’t really think it matters.  Either Chauvin’s knee killed Floyd, or the drug overdose killed him.  There’s no actual evidence that Chauvin’s knee applied sufficient pressure to kill, and there’s plenty of evidence supporting the hypothesis that it was the three-fold fentanyl overdose, the hypertensive and cardiac disease, and the poor judgment of Floyd to fight police that caused his death. Further, if Chauvin’s knee was not inflicting killing force, it was almost certainly permissible as a restraint intended to protect Floyd from himself, rather than as a use-of-force intended to neutralize an active threat against others.

There was a bit of re-direct after cross-examination—this is where Schleicher got Addarondo to state that he’d only seen Chauvin’s knee on Floyd’s shoulder blade in those last few seconds of the video—and then re-cross and a very short re-re-direct, but that’s about it.

(Summary acknowledgment Attorney Andrew Branca)
« Last Edit: April 07, 2021, 05:13:55 PM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline John

Re: The Trial Of Derek Chauvin, Death Of George Floyd
« Reply #69 on: April 06, 2021, 04:02:49 PM »
A Summary of the trial - Week 2 Day 1 cont'd...

Final witness was Katie Blackwell, whose current job is the MPD Inspector for the 5th Precinct. On the 25 May 2020, Inspector Blackwell was the Commander of the MPD Training division, including the academy and all annual and in-service training.

Prosecutor Schleicher conducted the direct questioning of Blackwell.

Much of Inspector Blackwell’s testimony was foundational in nature, documenting that Chauvin had taken various use-of-force, de-escalation, and other relevant trainings in the years immediately prior to 25 May 2020.  This was boring, but technically necessary.

At one point Schleicher did get Blackwell to testify that a photograph shown to her of Chauvin kneeling on Floyd didn’t look like anything taught as MPD training.  Again, however, one must take care to parse the specific words of the question and answer.  Just because something is not taught as a trained technique does not mean it violates MPD policy. Further, just because something violated MPD policy does not mean it killed George Floyd.

Schleicher also spent time with Blackwell exploring the issue of positional asphyxia. The state has to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. Were there no fatal levels of drugs in Floyd’s system, positional asphyxia might be a reasonable inference of cause of death based on the facts of this case. In the context of the three-fold fatal levels of fentanyl, however, it's difficult to see how positional asphyxia gets one to guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

And, again, it’s yet another different angle being played by the prosecution on cause of death. Was it asphyxia induced by compression of the neck and body? Was it positional asphyxia? Was it failure to provide timely medical care? Was it a combination of all three? By what mechanism? And all in the context of the fentanyl overdose, for which only Floyd can accept responsibility.

A good indication of the relative unimportance of the Blackwell testimony to the defence is that Nelson spent only about two minutes on cross examination. During that time he seemed to be looking to cast doubt on exactly what training Chauvin actually received, regardless of what the formal documentation stated, but it never seemed to go anywhere, and he dropped that line of questioning, and his cross of Blackwell, promptly.

So ended day 6 of the trial.

(Summary acknowledgment Attorney Andrew Branca)
« Last Edit: April 07, 2021, 05:15:59 PM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: The Trial Of Derek Chauvin, Death Of George Floyd
« Reply #70 on: April 06, 2021, 05:23:23 PM »
Is there any chance of receiving a completely impartial account of proceedings?
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline Eleanor

Re: The Trial Of Derek Chauvin, Death Of George Floyd
« Reply #71 on: April 06, 2021, 07:06:36 PM »
Thanks VS, I just spent four hours looking for the video you requested, most folks haven't probably seen it so it is worth posting.

Go to.  https://lawofselfdefense.com/chauvin-trial-day-3-wrap-up-floyd-was-high-with-foam-around-his-mouth/

Scroll down to  McMillian Direct Questioning

The video is directly underneath.  Watch from 20.21

Kicking out. 22.18

I wish I hadn't watched that video.

Offline Eleanor

Re: The Trial Of Derek Chauvin, Death Of George Floyd
« Reply #72 on: April 06, 2021, 07:28:52 PM »

What I am about to say may sound trite and ill informed, both of which it is.  But he didn't half have a lot to say for someone who couldn't breathe.

Offline IndigoJ

Re: The Trial Of Derek Chauvin, Death Of George Floyd
« Reply #73 on: April 06, 2021, 07:32:07 PM »
been watching every minute of this , wow the Chief's evidence was pretty damning that will stay with the jury it is an uphill battle for the defence to rebut this

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: The Trial Of Derek Chauvin, Death Of George Floyd
« Reply #74 on: April 06, 2021, 08:14:58 PM »

His superiors were always going to chuck him under the bus.

Any sane man can see the knee was completely unnecessary once Floyd was handcuffed prone.

Again, the subsequent failure to render aid is also totally damning to his defence.

He's not getting away with this imo. 

Excessive use of force & disregard for human life will secure a minimum of murder 3 imo.

They don't even need to prove intent.

"without intent to effect the death of any person, causing the death of another by perpetrating an act eminently dangerous to others and evincing a depraved mind, without regard for human life"
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