Other High Profile Cases and Persons of Interest > The murder of landscape architect Joanna Yeates in Bristol in December 2010.

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mrswah:

--- Quote from: John on April 18, 2017, 12:44:16 PM ---It was CJ's property which the murdered girl and her boyfriend had rented so there was every reason to believe that his (landlord's) DNA would have been found therein.  By contact, that DNA could have been transferred quite innocently to the victim so it just doesn't bear thinking about had CSI found that DNA on the victim or her clothing. Without an alibi we could have been looking at yet another miscarriage of justice.

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I agree.

I don't understand why the police needed to arrest CJ at all, to be honest. Of course, they had the right to question him further, and to insist that he went along to the police station to answer those questions, but was it really necessary to make a dramatic dawn arrest------after all, they had no evidence that he had done anything!

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I'm reposting from the early thread:

Here is what lead to CJ's Arrest:

This is a video interview from CJ when he appears on Judge Rinders Crime storys: Joanna Yeates:

At: 9:30 on the video CJ says:


--- Quote ---The time that I had given my original statement... erm.. to detectives..They stressed, that they were very interested if that at some point in the future.... er....
Anybody remembered anything, that they hadn't... erm... remembered at the time, they should certainly straight away..... get intouch with the police
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Then at 22:25 CJ says....

--- Quote ---But erm.... Give what I knew.... erm..I got back intouch with the police to say... You know i'm pretty certain, that on that particular evening... this is what I was aware of
--- End quote ---

Cj is refering to hearing people on the path near the little gate:

Now at 22:30 The Police Officer says:


--- Quote ---Christopher was quite well known... erm.... In the area, He's a retired
School Master from Clifton College...And actually he became quite an integral part of the initial investigation.... He was a witness and erm.......
He described erm.... seeing some people walking down the driveway of the address... On that Friday evening around about the relevant time... We knew Joanna had returned home....
--- End quote ---

Now what on earth the Officer is calling CJ a witness for, is beyond me.
We Know they saw him as a suspect...


--- Quote ---seeing some people walking down the driveway of the address
--- End quote ---

Now I.m sure It's the little path CJ's refering too... because it is what CJ hears and doesn't see clearly...

In the honour of CJ.. you see CJ standing in the drive and he looks around and stops as if he has noticed something near the little gate...

Now.....

If CJ... had seen people in the driveway as described by the Police Officer... then surely CJ would have seen them close up and would have given the Police a description of the individuals, and the Police would then put out a description to the media...As these people would be..... PERSONS OF INTEREST!!!

So again.... (IMO) I believe what the policeman says is an untrue......


--- Quote ---he became quite an integral part of the initial investigation.
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yes suspect..(IMO)

CJ says at 24:00 mins:

--- Quote ---Ironically, it was that phone call, which lead the Police to think I was making something up.... In order to deflect suspicion away from myself
--- End quote ---

So the Police put 2 and 2 together and came up with arresting CJ because of his supplementary statement and the fact that he had the keys to all the flats as the Landlord....



--- Quote ---In order to deflect suspicion away from myself
--- End quote ---

Now where have I heard that before???? I will elaborate later......

Cj... I'm sure they soon realised would not have the physical strength to lift Joanna Yeates on his own without causing any drag marks..

So... when they released him on bail... believing that CJ, had to be part of the murder of Joanna Yeates, they need to get another suspect in their vision.. to be an accomplice with CJ in the crime...

Remember.. they didn't release CJ from Police Bail until March 2011...
And again in CJ's own words:


--- Quote ---And therefore the police continued to entertain the suspicion that possibly there had been some sort of collusion... Between myself and Vincent Tabak
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Now looking at this post in a different way and a different angel to course of this investigation.. we have DCI Phil Jones quote again....


--- Quote ---Christopher was quite well known... erm.... In the area, He's a retired
School Master from Clifton College...And actually he became quite an integral part of the initial investigation.... He was a witness and erm.......
--- End quote ---

So was the Initial Investigation looking into the possibility it could have something to do with paedophiles in this Initial Investigation that DCI Phil Jones his referencing???

Why would CJ be an INTEGRAL part of the initial investigation???

Is that why CJ was a witness??? Did he witness the teacher whom he bought Flat1 from...entertaining/teaching young pupils from Clifton College at Flat 1 ... It's a possibility (IMO)....

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Here's what led to Dr Vincent Tabaks arrest:   Taken from an earlier post:...

We know from CJ that they all had already given statements.... So any extra information was a supplementary statement, to aid the Police with their investigation:
Crime Watch Joanna Yeates Part 2:
At 2:05 The Presenter says:

--- Quote ---An Officer recieved a call from Vincent Tabakin the Netherlands claiming to have new information
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Remember the Police had invited the residents to get in touch if they remembered anything:
At 2:09 The Police Woman says:

--- Quote ---He could remember that Chris Jefferies car had been parked on the driveway in  Canygne Road.... In a particular position the evening before Jo went missing... and the next Morning the car was facing in the Opposite direction....
--- End quote ---
The Presenter on the Program says at 2:20 mins

--- Quote ---What Tabak  had to say was now crucial new evidence for police who are now questioning Jeffereies
--- End quote ---

Presenter at 2:30 mins

--- Quote ---On New Years Eve they sent a team out to meet him at a hotel in Amsterdam... But his version of events seemed confused
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Well... Version of Events... ??? (what are they talking about?)
All he's really supposed to be telling them is that he saw CJ's Car move position....
The Policewoman says at 2:45 mins

--- Quote ---There were details of Vincent's Account.... That...... were concerning me....
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Why would the details that Dr Vincent Tabak was telling her about CJ's Car moving position be of a concern????
She's supposed to be talking to him as a witness remember:
The Police woman then says at 2:48:


--- Quote ---He was Vague in some area's... He was over interested in other area's, Particulary around our Forensic examination...
There was things in his account that just didn't seem right.... to me.
And then his reluctance to give his DNA at the end of the process.......  Again started to Ring Alarm Bells
--- End quote ---

She then says:

--- Quote ---He was over Interested in others particularly around our Forensics
--- End quote ---

Now..... Dr Vincent Tabak is sat with Police officers thinking that they are there for a nice chat as to what he saw regards CJ....
He could quite simply being interested what was happening with the case as there had been alot of media coverage
 they had just arrested his neighbour and all this had been happening in the building that he lived in....
For all we know... he might have tried to find out how serious the information that they had gathered against CJ was...
 Him and Tanja would then be homeless...

So we cannot summise why Dr Vincent Tabak asked what ever question to the Police...


--- Quote ---Then his reluctance to give his DNA at the end of the process.....
--- End quote ---
End of what process......????? Dr Vincent Tabak , If you remember was a WITNESS?????
They had him at that hotel for 6 hours... He's only supposed to be telling them CJ's car moved.....
But they act and behave like Dr Vincent Tabak is a SUSPECT and not a WITNESS!!!


--- Quote ---What Tabak  had to say was now crucial new evidence for police who are now questioning Jeffereies
--- End quote ---
Why would Dr Vincent Tabak, be being asked to give his DNA... they only popped over supposidly to get a witness statement from him...
Why did they have a DNA kit in tow??????

Well.... like I said... he rang to give a supplementary statement....... He wasn't trying to frame CJ....
 They had to let CJ go... there only remaining SUSPECT was Dr Vincent Tabak....

--- Quote ---All the people who lived in 44, Canygne Road... were interviewed, statements were taken... So... my statement was taken along with everyone else...
DNA samples were taken, finger prints, were taken.... It was all entirely Voluntary..But obviously nobody had anything to hide....
So nobody was in the least bit concerned.. erm.... about co-operating in that way...
--- End quote ---

CJ had said they had all given DNA samples already.... So They didn't need to got to Holland to get a second DNA sample from Dr Vincent Tabak.....

Looking at that I now wonder if anyone else from that building rang the Police a similar response would have taken place..(Just a thought)..(IMO)
And The CPS had already stated that they Planned Dr Vincent Tabak's Arrest, they were reviewing the Evidence etc in late December 2010


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRDtLjPfdw0

Leonora:

--- Quote from: Nine on April 18, 2017, 01:32:09 PM ---...
If CJ... had seen people in the driveway as described by the Police Officer... then surely CJ would have seen them close up and would have given the Police a description of the individuals, and the Police would then put out a description to the media...As these people would be..... PERSONS OF INTEREST!!!

So again.... (IMO) I believe what the policeman says is an untrue......

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You yourself also speculate why CJ was not called as a witness in the trial. Of course the persons he saw were of interest to the police! There is no doubt in MY mind that his 2nd witness statement to the police describing what and whom he saw would not only have demolished the prosecution's case against Vincent Tabak, but also revealed the real reason why he was arrested. The general public believes that his 2nd witness statement was "very very very very vague", because, as you well know, it has never seen the light of day, even after the general public have been so nice and sympathetic towards the landlord on account of his ordeal.

I know I cannot convince you of anything directly but the facts of the Schiphol interview that you yourself have done so much to expose DO prove what was in that statement. Vincent Tabak, Tanja and Ilse gave up a whole day of their precious vacation to make the long round trip to Schiphol. DC Karen Thomas spent taxpayers' money and a whole day in Holland together with another officer who was probably her senior. It was a crucial interview, yet the court was told nothing at all about what was talked about for 5 hours 45 minutes. The landlord was in custody back in Bristol, so this interview CAN ONLY have been about Christopher Jefferies - what and whom Christopher Jefferies saw - what he told Vincent and Tanja and his neighbours what he saw. It HAD to be deadly serious.  I challenge you to produce a mitigating excuse for these people.

Leonora:

--- Quote from: mrswah on April 18, 2017, 01:10:18 PM ---I agree.

I don't understand why the police needed to arrest CJ at all, to be honest. Of course, they had the right to question him further, and to insist that he went along to the police station to answer those questions, but was it really necessary to make a dramatic dawn arrest------after all, they had no evidence that he had done anything!

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So what was their hidden agenda for making this dramatic dawn arrest mrswah? Was it:

(1) To show the public that they weren't just sitting on their backsides twiddling their thumbs?

(2) To entrap Vincent Tabak (whom Ann Reddrop had already planned to arrest) into telephoning from Holland?

(3) To distract the journalists from the inquest opened and adjourned very quietly the day before?

(4) To stop journalists from asking irritating questions about why the very attractive, effervescent Joanna hadn't gone to Sheffield that weekend?

(5) To teach Christopher Jefferies such a lesson that he would never, ever, tell a journalist, film producer, or anyone else, what and whom he saw that weekend and described in his 2nd witness statement?

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