Other High Profile Cases and Persons of Interest > The murder of landscape architect Joanna Yeates in Bristol in December 2010.

Was This A Twin Track Investigation?

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Looking at the procedures that the police need to follow with regards a "Missing Person's Enquiry".. I came across a number of points that I feel, the Police had given insufficient attention to...


--- Quote --- When determining the media strategy the impact on the community must be considered. A missing person critical incident is different from other incidents and will require additional considerations. This is because the nature of the investigation is likely to generate public interest over a number of days.
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I believe the disruption of the tenants at 44 Canygne Road was above what was necessary in evaluating the "Missing Person's Enquiry".. Even when it had escalated to a "Murder Enquiry" on the 28th December 2010, I believe that minimum disruption to the Tenants should have been in place at all costs....

I was trying to imagine if there had been a murder in a tower block would the Police make it so no tenant could stay there ??? I doubt that very much...

This next quote I think maybe another Eureka moment...


--- Quote ---Suspicious missing person investigations
In many missing person cases the reasons for disappearance cannot be readily established and various hypotheses must be investigated simultaneously. This may mean running a twin-track investigation, with one side focusing on the possibility that the missing person has become a victim of crime and the other focusing on alternative reasons for the disappearance. In such cases, or where this is being considered, advice is available from the MPB.
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I never understood why the investigation had different sets of people working it...With what appeared to be a change of team leader... And with careful consideration of the above quote I believe I had found the answer...

They were running A Twin-Track Investigation... And I am of the belief that DC Mark Saunders was running the "Missing Persons side of the Investigation... and DCI Phil Jones simutaniously running a potential "Murder Inquiry"..... (IMO)

But it brings me to a Problem or a revelation depending on how you view it.... DCI Phil Jones tell the Leveson Inquiry (If I remember Correctly) that he TOOK Over the Investigation on the 27th December 2010... well I'm not sure if that is the case if they were running a TWIN TRACK Investigation... (IMO)


--- Quote ---Mr Jay
You are currently a detective chief inspector with the Avon and Somerset constabulary. You've worked in the service for 23 years. You were the senior investigating officer as from 27 December 2010 in relation to the Joanna Yeates investigation; is that right?
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DCI Phil Jones Reply:
--- Quote ---Mr Philip Jones
Yes, I was, sir.
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What I believe he means there is ... That on the 27th December 2010.. The case had Offically became a Murder Inquiry.... he took over nothing (IMO)...

 DCI Phil Jones as we Know became the lead on the "Murder Investigation which he had a Press Conference and was Introduced by Chief Superintendent Jon Stratford....

The Press Conference was aired on the afternoon (I believe of the 28th December 2010)

From Police Announce Murder enquiry launched over death of Joanna
Avon and Somerset Constabulary


Uploaded on Dec 28, 2010
Detective Chief Inspector Phil Jones has today (28/12/10) confirmed that the investigation into the death of 25-year-old Joanna Yeates is now a murder enquiry: Below are quotes from that Conference..

Chief Super Jon Stratford:..


--- Quote ---OK... Good afternoon ladies and gentlemen ,thank you for coming here today... Can I also thank you for the paitence you showed yesterday when we were forced to postpone the press conference until today... I would like to Introduce DCI Phil Jones, Phil is The Senior Investigating Officer in this Investigation, he will read out a statement
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I wondered why they postponed the original press conference... "FORCED TOO.. is what he says.. well it's possible that they would have given the results the day before and I'm sure I heard on the 27th December 2010 that she had been strangled ...


--- Quote ---The Investigation into the death of Joanna Yeates is now a Murder Investigation and I am leading that Investigation. As you know the post mortem examination has taken longer than usual because of Frozen Condition of her body.... The Pathologist completed his Investigation Last Night and concluded that the cause of death was compression of the neck.. In other words strangulation...
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So... we get less and less time for a FROZEN BODY TO THAW....

The other thing that sprung to mind was DCI Karen Thomas.... If they had been running a TWIN TRACK Investigation, how would it be possible for her to be doing "Missing Person Enquiries in the begining??

All of her Interviews from day one have to be as a "Murder Investigation" with this TWIN TRACK approach happening... (IMO)

I think I need to look at DC Karen Thomas a little more closely... That is why you have so many Police Officer at the scene  all the time... Two Investigation taking Place at The same Time and Place....

So what happens about Cross Contamination and securing a CRIME SCENE???

Didn't someone say that Investigators were kept seperate from the different scenes.... Well how was that possible.. When your having a TWIN TRACK Investigation and those two Teams are making different Inquires and are walking around the Crime scene... (IMO)

http://leveson.sayit.mysociety.org/hearing-27-march-2012/mr-philip-jones

https://www.app.college.police.uk/app-content/major-investigation-and-public-protection/missing-persons/missing-person-investigations/specific-investigations/#suspicious-missing-person-investigations

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8noQpXm0HQU

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I think now a methodical approach is need to establish which part of the Investigation in the media is "The Missing persons Inquiry"....

And which part of the Investigation in the media is "The Murder Inquiry"... This has to start from the begining of the Investigation...

It is easy to see how in the The Media it reffered to A... .."Police Source" had given information to unsuspecting reporters when they could have come from either side of the Two Investigating Teams ... (IMO)...

Question.... did the have 2 seperate rooms for this Investigation that they were conducting as the obviously were Two different Investigation taking Place at The Same Time..?? (IMO)

John:

--- Quote from: Nine.. Again on May 15, 2017, 02:11:46 PM ---I think now a methodical approach is need to establish which part of the Investigation in the media is "The Missing persons Inquiry"....

And which part of the Investigation in the media is "The Murder Inquiry"... This has to start from the begining of the Investigation...

It is easy to see how in the The Media it reffered to A... .."Police Source" had given information to unsuspecting reporters when they could have come from either side of the Two Investigating Teams ... (IMO)...

Question.... did the have 2 seperate rooms for this Investigation that they were conducting as the obviously were Two different Investigation taking Place at The Same Time..?? (IMO)

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Running a twin-track investigation does not mean using separate accommodation or not sharing evidence.  My understanding of a twin-track investigation is that a senior detective will be tasked with each scenario and report to a more senior officer who will lead and have control of the investigation.

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--- Quote from: John on May 15, 2017, 02:31:19 PM ---Running a twin-track investigation does not mean using separate accommodation or not sharing evidence.  My understanding of a twin-track investigation is that a senior detective will be tasked with each scenario and report to a more senior officer who will lead and have control of the investigation.

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yes.... And I believe that Senior Officer was Chief Super Jon Stratford...

Of course they share Evidence:...


--- Quote ---Where it is apparent that the missing person is subject of a major crime, there are well-established procedures in place to give structure to the investigation.

It is strongly recommended that, if the level of the investigation is raised to a murder inquiry, all of the initial enquiries and searches are reviewed to ensure that nothing has been missed.


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So they Investigations are run side by side I believe... then a review takes Place as to what Information both teams have collated... (IMO)

Which should take some time to Cross reference all the Possibilities...

From the Information gathered by both teams ....



https://www.app.college.police.uk/app-content/major-investigation-and-public-protection/missing-persons/missing-person-investigations/specific-investigations/#suspicious-missing-person-investigations

Leonora:
Unlike Vincent Tabak, I could never be accused of researching the murder in 1996 of poor Melanie Hall. Therefore, until a few days ago, I associated DCI Gareth Bevan with Joanna's Yeates's pizza, and nothing but the pizza. I seriously underestimated this unlucky detective, as he seemingly played no further role in this investigation.

The local press, however, were better informed. They remembered DCI Bevan as a leading member of the team who had been flushing out new suspects for Melanie Hall's murder only months before Joanna disappeared. The day after DCI Bevan announced on TV that police were looking, not just for Joanna, but also for her pizza, journalists asked Chief Superintendant Jon Stratford if he thought there was a link to Melanie's murder. Although the press didn't get a straight answer from him, it is clear with hindsight that Operation Braid WAS a twin track investigation, and DCI Bevan's TV appearance marked the transition from missing to murdered.

That was when Joanna's parents were saying, "the police know more than they are saying". I think the cops KNEW she had been murdered by then, and even possibly that the body lay at Longwood Lane. I think they may have had a tip-off from the killer himself, or even from a crying girl, or from the landlord who had seen mysterious persons on Joanna's front path. But that is speculation.

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