Other High Profile Cases and Persons of Interest > The murder of landscape architect Joanna Yeates in Bristol in December 2010.

Discrepancies in the Case/ Strange Procedures/ Perceived or Not..

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mrswah:
There is so much that the media has never questioned re this case------why the Old Bailey, why the long interview in Holland  are two such topics.  The fire and rescue equipment is another-----and I cannot believe there were no reporters in Longwood Lane at the time.

I'm not a great one for conspiracy theories , but I do believe it is possible the newspapers were told to "shut up. " Either that, or the papers were scared stiff to publish anything about this case after the trouble they got into over CJ, so they decided to shut up. Six years later, of course, few people even remember the case , and I would imagine that is partly because it has had so little media attention.( Not talking about CJ, of course-----everyone knows who he is, because he has had a lot of media attention!!  ).

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(3): The Timing Discrepancies in this case, which were stated in Court by Dr Vincent Tabak's own defence team.. Yet they did not act upon them... Sally Ramage produced a paper with some of the "Transcript" from The Trial of Dr Vincent Tabak "... And it is within these papers the Defence Contradict themselves for all to see and leave their client sat in 'The Dock" with no-one supporting his Defence ... (IMO)...


--- Quote ---Defence Counsel: Can you look at item where you sent message to Tanja ‘missing you’
Can you remember if you sent it before you decided to go to Asda.
Recapping- you come off the Internet at 7.37pm (our entry 47) & remain in your flat until
9.29pm (our entry 88).
--- End quote ---

Clearly Dr Vincent Tabak by his Defences own admission was at home until 9:29pm on December 17th 2010

But in another breath "The Defence" earlier state:


--- Quote ---One thing is certain. Joanna Yeates was killed between 21.00 and 21.30 pm on Friday 17
December 2010.
--- End quote ---

Allowing exactly

60 Seconds for Dr Vincent Tabak to kill Joanna Yeates.. he would have had to complete the following actions in 60 Seconds if we are to believe that Dr Vincent Tabak is "Guilty" of The Murder of Joanna Yeates ..

(1):   Walk around to her flat Knock on the door.

(2):   Enter Flat and hang up his coat..

(3):   Converse for 10 minutes..

(4):   Strangle her for 20 Seconds

This is "Impossible in The 60 Seconds that "The Defence" claim Dr Vincent Tabak had to commit this Crime..
Following and before her Death he then would have between the hours of 9:29pm and 10:13 pm approximately 44 minutes to do the above and the following below..

(5):   Move her into her bedroom from the kitchen and place on the bed

(6):   Go back to his Flat and "Panic"..

(7):   Go back to Joanna Yeates flat and move the body

(8):   Carry the body through the Hall..

(9):   Out of the front door..

(10): Turn left along the building..

(11): Turn left along the back of the Building

(12):  Take her into his Flat

(13): Put her on the bed in the spare room

(14): Get his Bicycle Bag, put her inside ..

(15): Get his Car from the main Road in Canygne Road and park it outside his flat

(16): Carry Joanna Yeates from his Flat to his car..

(17): Make two attempts at placing her in the boot of the car..

(18): Go back to Joanna Yeates Flat and turn off the Oven

(19): Turn off the TV

(20): Take the Pizza and Packaging

(21): Take The "Missing Sock"

(22): Make sure no 'Forensic evidence of himself was inside the Flat

(23): Lock the front Door

(24): Get in his car and go to ASDA!!

Note that there were "NO" Drag Marks on Joanna Yeates body.. So Dr Vincent Tabak would have had to lift a 'Dead Weight" on his own and complete all these actions and look composed enough that when he is seen on the ASDA CCTV he looks quite calm and collected and texts Tanja to tell her he's missing her and he is bored..

It would have been less of a problem to him or anyone for that matter to leave the body in "Situ" and continue cleaning up and carry on about his business.. than to add to what could possibly be a 'Whole Host" of "Forensic Evidence" that could be attributed to him and put him inside "Joanna Yeates Flat" on the night/day of her "Murder"!! (IMO)..

Also NOTE.. That there was "NO" Forensic Evidence of Dr Vincent Tabak inside The Flat of Joanna Yeates and "NO" Forensic Evidence" of Joanna Yeates being inside Dr Vincent Tabak's Flat either....

I have attached an image of the layout of these flats and parking area to get some concept of the "Movement" Dr Vincent Tabak would have to have made....


EDIT;.. I have attached another image showing the movements between each flat.... Each movement has a Coloured line

(A): The RED LINE denotes Dr Vincent Tabak Arriving at Joanna Yeates Flat

(B): The Blue LINE Denotes Dr Vincent Tabak Moving Joanna Yeates to her Bedroom

(C):The YELLOW LINE Denotes Dr Vincent Tabak return to his Flat to Panic and return to Joanna Yeates Flat

(D):The GREEN LINE Denotes Dr Vincent Tabak moving Joanna Yeates From her Flat to his spare bedroom

(E): The BROWN LINE on the right hand Diagram Denotes Dr Vincent Tabak going to collect his Car from Canygne
       Road and Parking it by his Flat..

(F):The BLACK LINE Denotes Dr Vincent Tabak moving Joanna Yeates from the spare bedroom to the Car Park...

I haven't included his return to the Flat to take Pizza and Sock turning off appliances as he goes...


http://www.criminal-lawyer.org.uk/39-CLN-JAN-2012.pdf

John:

--- Quote from: Nine.. Again on June 13, 2017, 07:56:27 AM ---(2): Why would "The Head Of The Complex Case Unit be involved and see through to the end, this "Simple Murder Case"... When The Complex Case Unit deals with Complex Crimes?? Their 21 Criteria doesn't cover anything in relation to Dr Vincent Tabak's Crime, he's in Jail for...

I have said before the only use of "The Complex Crime Unit" in relation to Dr Vincent Tabak, would be to apply to "The Dutch Authorities for assistance in "Interviewing him...(IMO)..
 An Interview of 6 hours, which again in "Dutch Law" is the allotted time to interview a suspect, either apply for an "Extension".. Charge them or release them...


 DCI Phil Jones, DC Karen Thomas and Ann Reddrop... must all have been aware "That" The Interview in Holland of Dr Vincent Tabak was an "Interview" they would carry out as Dr Vincent Tabak being a suspect in this case..(IMO)

Yet... They "ALL" would have us believe that it was Dr Vincent Tabak's over interest In the Case that prompted the "Long" Interview and DNA test in Holland...  DCI Phil Jones stated.. that "All" witness's had provided a DNA Sample.. And DC Karen Thomas also declared "That it was at "The end of The Process" that they gained this DNA sample.. "The Process" being..(IMO) "The 6 hour Interview in Holland as a "Suspect" which I believe was obtained illegally... As they had "NOT" Cautioned Dr Vincent Tabak at the start of this "Process"..(IMO) This Interview became the start ...Setting into Motion a course of Events that Dr Vincent Tabak had "NO" control over...

A course of Events That Dr Vincent Tabak had insufficient Legal Guidance and Insufficient Knowledge of "English Law" to know whether or not.. That the "Interview" was "Legal" in the eye's of "English Law" ..(IMO).. Or that his "RIGHTS" had been 'ABUSED"...(IMO)..

So why did they "NOT" Caution Dr Vincent Tabak at the time this "Interview" started ?? Why was Dr Vincent Tabak, not given the legal right to have a Lawyer present at this 'Interview"??

Why has "The Media" not ever questioned "The Holland" Interview and how Dr Vincent Tabak was Questioned for 6 hours after a phone call being made about "A Car" changing position??

DC Karen Thomas had to have the legal ammunition to "Interview" Dr Vincent Tabak in a "Foreign Country".. she would not go over there without it rubber sealed ....(IMO)..

And Ann Reddrop I believe was "The" person who rubber stamped this Interview of Dr Vincent Tabak...(IMO).. when she claimed in a TV recorded Interview outside "Bristol Crown Court" that the "CPS" had come to her for advice in relation to this case in late December 2010... Showing us that she had actively "Pursued" Dr Vincent Tabak as a "SUSPECT" in "The Murder of Joanna Yeates" without any "SOLID EVIDENCE" to support this theory.. (IMO)..

Therefore holding herself responsible for the "Arrest", "Incarceration" and "Subsequent Trial" of Dr Vincent Tabak were (IMO)... he received unfair treatment in this CASE from "Start" to Finish"...


https://www.rechtspraak.nl/SiteCollectionDocuments/If-you-are-suspected-of-a-criminal-offence.pdf

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I admit not being that knowledgeable yet about this case but the jaunt to Holland interests me.  I too cannot understand and am somewhat puzzled as to why, if Vincent Tabak was merely a witness, then why wasn't his girlfriend deemed a witness too?  What is clear however is that the English police investigators became increasingly suspicious as the interview went on.  I wonder if the request for a mouth swab sample was made in order to gauge Tabak's reaction?  If it was, it certainly worked.

Was Tabak's girlfriend also asked to provide a mouth swab and if not, why not?

John:

--- Quote from: Nine.. Again on June 13, 2017, 10:47:52 AM ---(3): The Timing Discrepancies in this case, which were stated in Court by Dr Vincent Tabak's own defence team.. Yet they did not act upon them... Sally Ramage produced a paper with some of the "Transcript" from The Trial of Dr Vincent Tabak "... And it is within these papers the Defence Contradict themselves for all to see and leave their client sat in 'The Dock" with no-one supporting his Defence ... (IMO)...

Clearly Dr Vincent Tabak by his Defences own admission was at home until 9:29pm on December 17th 2010

But in another breath "The Defence" earlier state:

Allowing exactly

60 Seconds for Dr Vincent Tabak to kill Joanna Yeates.. he would have had to complete the following actions in 60 Seconds if we are to believe that Dr Vincent Tabak is "Guilty" of The Murder of Joanna Yeates ..

EDIT;.. I have attached another image showing the movements between each flat.... Each movement has a Coloured line

(A): The RED LINE denotes Dr Vincent Tabak Arriving at Joanna Yeates Flat

(B): The Blue LINE Denotes Dr Vincent Tabak Moving Joanna Yeates to her Bedroom

(C):The YELLOW LINE Denotes Dr Vincent Tabak return to his Flat to Panic and return to Joanna Yeates Flat

(D):The GREEN LINE Denotes Dr Vincent Tabak moving Joanna Yeates From her Flat to his spare bedroom

(E): The BROWN LINE on the right hand Diagram Denotes Dr Vincent Tabak going to collect his Car from Canygne
       Road and Parking it by his Flat..

(F):The BLACK LINE Denotes Dr Vincent Tabak moving Joanna Yeates from the spare bedroom to the Car Park...

I haven't included his return to the Flat to take Pizza and Sock turning off appliances as he goes...




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An excellent diagram which is most helpful for those of us who are just learning about the case.  For one thing, I wasn't aware the murder took place in Joanna's tiny kitchen, did VT admit this or was something found there to suggest it?

The other thing which strikes me about the two movements where Joanna was moved between the flats and then moved from VT's flat to his car is that he took a huge risk as he could have been seen.

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--- Quote from: John on June 13, 2017, 01:26:28 PM ---An excellent diagram which is most helpful for those of us who are just learning about the case.  For one thing, I wasn't aware the murder took place in Joanna's tiny kitchen, did VT admit this or was something found there to suggest it?

The other thing which strikes me about the two movements where Joanna was moved between the flats and then moved from VT's flat to his car is that he took a huge risk as he could have been seen.

--- End quote ---

It was explained at "Trial" I Believe that Dr Vincent Tabak struck up a converstaion with Joanna Yeates in the "Kitchen" he apparently went to make A "Pass" at her and she screamed ... When trying to stop her screaming... This is when he apprantly put his hand around her throat whilst supporting her back with his other hand ... He let go... she screamed again and she was died in 20 seconds...

William Clegg's Opening speech first mentions the kitchen on page 14 of Sally Ramage Papers

"RED LINE".......


--- Quote ---He left his flat; was walking towards his car and went past her kitchen window.
The kitchen blind was broken and so stayed up all the time, as Greg Reardon had
confirmed.
--- End quote ---

Then on Page 20 Dr Vincent Tabak replies to his Defence Council...


--- Quote ---Defence Counsel: What room did you go into?
Tabak: Kitchen- both of us.
--- End quote ---

The Defence never state that this Incident happened outside "The Kitchen"...  Dr Vincent Tabak, further goes on to state on page 21 of the Sally Ramage papers ..

"BLUE LINE"...


--- Quote ---Defence Counsel: What did you do?
Tabak: I put her on her bed in her bedroom.
--- End quote ---

Dr Vincent Tabak  explains that he put her on her own bed.....  The reason for this part of the "Story"
 (IMO).. was because Joanna Yeates Earring was found under her duvet... And I believe they would need an explanation.. which had no detail... of how it could be possible for this Earring to end up in The "Duvet".... The other issue they did not touch upon... Was how her other Earring ended up under a Pile of clothes in the bedroom... Which her father discovered ...

"YELLOW LINE"......


--- Quote ---Defence Counsel: Where did you go?
Tabak: I went back to my flat.
--- End quote ---

Still with the "Yellow Line"..


--- Quote ---Defence Counsel: How long were you in your flat?
Tabak: Only a couple of minutes maybe.
Defence Counsel: Where did you go then?
Tabak: I went back to Joanna’s flat.
--- End quote ---

He arrives back at Joanna Yeates Flat and the "GREEN LINE".....


--- Quote ---Defence Counsel: Accepting that she was dead, what did you do?
Tabak: After a couple of minutes I lifted the body and carried it over to my flat.
--- End quote ---

Not forgetting the all important...


--- Quote ---Defence Counsel: What did you do next?
Tabak: I decided to put her body in my bicycle cover.
--- End quote ---


To stop "ANY TRANSFER"... after the event !!

He then goes back to Joanna Yeates flat... which i didn't colour code..


--- Quote ---Defence Counsel: After you put the body in the boot of your car, what did you do next?
Tabak: I went back to Joanna’s flat and switched off the TV and the oven; I took away the
sock and the pizza.
--- End quote ---

"BROWN LINE"......


--- Quote ---Defence Counsel: Where was the car?
Tabak: On the street.

Defence Counsel: Then you took the body out to the street?
Tabak: No. I backed the car into the drive.
--- End quote ---

"Black Line" 
--- Quote ---Defence Counsel: Then what did you do?
Tabak: I put the body into the car.
--- End quote ---

These quotes are from pages 20 and 22 of "The Sally Ramage" PDF

http://www.criminal-lawyer.org.uk/39-CLN-JAN-2012.pdf




http://www.criminal-lawyer.org.uk/39-CLN-JAN-2012.pdf

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