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Disappeared and Abducted Children and Young Adults => Madeleine McCann (3) disappeared from her parent's holiday apartment at Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. No trace of her has ever been found. => Topic started by: Admin on May 03, 2013, 10:29:28 AM

Title: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: Admin on May 03, 2013, 10:29:28 AM
The abduction of a child is something too awful to contemplate for any parent but there is evidence that several individuals are now cashing in on this despicable crime.

We have a look at some of them.
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: DCI on May 26, 2013, 09:16:54 PM
I am confident that HIdeHO's lie-strewn rubbish will have been consigned to the "Cranks and Nutters" file at Grange HQ, along with the "dossier" from the Madeleine Foundation.  As you say, SY are not stupid and will recognise these things for the rubbish that they are.  I'm just annoyed that police resources may have been wasted on viewing them.

No wonder Hideho makes so many, video's full of lies.

Joseph O'Driscoll ‏@Josephodriscoll27m
@TrulyJudy73
He's not that clever. Sickostalker tried much the same strategy: £150 or so a month for life...
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James Arbuthnot ‏@JamesJArbuthnot22m
@Josephodriscoll Hideho makes considerably more than that from her YouTube monetisation. #McCann @TrulyJudy73


Take it she's read the T & Cs?

http://support.google.com/youtube/bin/answer.py?hl=en-GB&answer=2490020

Before submitting a video for monetisation, you should be sure that you have all the necessary rights to use the content commercially.
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: Chinagirl on May 26, 2013, 10:22:00 PM

James Arbuthnot ‏@JamesJArbuthnot22m
@Josephodriscoll Hideho makes considerably more than that from her YouTube monetisation. #McCann @TrulyJudy73


Yet another so-called "McCann sceptic" and seeker of "justice for Madeleine" quite prepared to make money off the back of an abducted child ......
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: Mrs. B on May 27, 2013, 09:29:03 AM
The attempts to make personal gain from this tragedy by some did start very early, as far as I recall. Some hapless fool started an online shop, selling T-shirts, mugs, mouse pads etc, all based on the "dogs don't lie" theme. I'm sure I saw a screenshot of it not long ago, - I don't think it lasted very long, thank God.
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: Carana on May 27, 2013, 09:48:32 AM
The attempts to make personal gain from this tragedy by some did start very early, as far as I recall. Some hapless fool started an online shop, selling T-shirts, mugs, mouse pads etc, all based on the "dogs don't lie" theme. I'm sure I saw a screenshot of it not long ago, - I don't think it lasted very long, thank God.

It's still there.

http://www.cafepress.com/dogsdontlie
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: Mrs. B on May 27, 2013, 09:55:22 AM
The attempts to make personal gain from this tragedy by some did start very early, as far as I recall. Some hapless fool started an online shop, selling T-shirts, mugs, mouse pads etc, all based on the "dogs don't lie" theme. I'm sure I saw a screenshot of it not long ago, - I don't think it lasted very long, thank God.

It's still there.

http://www.cafepress.com/dogsdontlie

I don't think that's the same Carana, the one I meant was solely dedicated to sell Eddie related merchandise. I've seen it on twitter, I'll go see if I can find it.

ETA Found it
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: Carana on May 27, 2013, 11:19:17 AM

It looks like the same site to me... but a different link.

It's the merchandise site linked to

http://dogsdontlie.com/main/

I can't remember who was behind that. Stevo?
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: sadie on May 27, 2013, 11:42:06 AM
Nice stuff.  Well designed.  Bet they rake in a pretty penny for the marketter ... Stevo?.

And another propaganda tool 8(8-))





Clever, but rather sinister imo.  On the border of libel.
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: ferryman on May 27, 2013, 11:52:21 AM
Nothing borderline about this (from the site), Sadie:

Dogs Don’t Lie is dedicated to the hard work and effort put in to training the cadaver and blood sniffing dogs Eddie and Keela.
Their results are staggering and because of their incredible success rates, they were brought in to be used in the Madeleine McCann case. They found several positive indications and the conclusion is simple: Madeleine McCann died in or near the Mark Warner complex in Praia da Luz in May 2007.
Dog’s can’t lie. Their sense of smell is many orders of magnitude better than a human nose.
Eddie and Keela found traces of a dead body in apartment 5A at the Ocean Club Resort. There are no documented cases of a human body ever having died in that apartment. There can be only one conclusion: Madeleine McCann was not abducted.
See the video of the dogs here and decide for yourself.


Libel, pure and simple ...

http://dogsdontlie.com/main/about/
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: Puffin on May 27, 2013, 12:00:35 PM
Nice stuff.  Well designed.  Bet they rake in a pretty penny for the marketter ... Stevo?.

And another propaganda tool 8(8-))

Clever, but rather sinister imo.  On the border of libel.
Indeed it was Stevo.
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: ferryman on May 27, 2013, 12:03:03 PM
Nice stuff.  Well designed.  Bet they rake in a pretty penny for the marketter ... Stevo?.

And another propaganda tool 8(8-))

Clever, but rather sinister imo.  On the border of libel.
Indeed it was Stevo.

Presumably selling in Britain, because the prices are UK sterling rather than dollars ...
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: Mrs. B on May 27, 2013, 12:03:41 PM
Yes, thanks Carana, I can see it now. I only saw an SC of it so I couldn't follow a link to see the original. And yes I think it was Stevo who did it, was into a lot of odd things to make money out of all of it, if I remember correctly.
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: Puffin on May 27, 2013, 12:05:28 PM
Nice stuff.  Well designed.  Bet they rake in a pretty penny for the marketter ... Stevo?.

And another propaganda tool 8(8-))

Clever, but rather sinister imo.  On the border of libel.
Indeed it was Stevo.

Presumably selling in Britain, because the prices are UK sterling rather than dollars ...
And for what they are, bl**dy expensive.  But I suppose his customers were so eager to buy they didn't worry about being rooked.
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: Carana on May 27, 2013, 12:13:59 PM
Nice stuff.  Well designed.  Bet they rake in a pretty penny for the marketter ... Stevo?.

And another propaganda tool 8(8-))

Clever, but rather sinister imo.  On the border of libel.
Indeed it was Stevo.

Presumably selling in Britain, because the prices are UK sterling rather than dollars ...

http://www.cafepress.com/dogsdontlie

The price is in dollars on this site. There may have been different pages illustrating the products in different currencies.
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: ferryman on May 27, 2013, 12:18:59 PM
Yep!

Looks as if he's seeking to flog his libellous pap both sides of the Atlantic.

Ah well, onwards and downwards ...
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: DCI on May 27, 2013, 12:42:44 PM
Someone else got the measure of Hideho. Spot on that man!

Monday, May 27, 2013
There Is Always Someone Watching The McCann [ censored word ]s And Their Hypocrisy.

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-8oityqBuIGs/UaMQmVlG7-I/AAAAAAAAR7I/iKm5xBhB_yQ/s400/taylor3.jpg)

Canadian Liz Taylor Of The Controversy Page
I never know what I'm going to find in my mailbox most days however I did not expect to receive this


(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ZHG5TiToNKw/UaMU4OrQT2I/AAAAAAAAR7Y/DdmijbHkpE0/s1600/hohomoney.jpg)
If the above is true, then I have been witnessing the biggest hypocritical act from the woman who runs the Gun Store, aka Controversy Facebook page, it is the site where one of their members threatened to shoot Kate McCann; hence the nickname the guns store.
But I digress. The members of the Gun Store spend their days accusing and metaphorically abusing the parents of little Madeleine who went missing back in 2007.

The idiots infer on a daily basis, the child's mom and dad killed her and hid her body in Outer Mongolia or some other remote country we have never heard of; however, their biggest gripe is the fund that was set up to aid the parents in their search for the little girl.

This fund has caused Kate and Gerry to be accused of making money off their little one' back for their own gain. An accusation which is totally untrue and can be proved thus. But, despite the lies spewed and proved wrong, the [ censored word ]s continue to insist they have the right to accuse as they themselves would never do such a thing. No not them, they would never make money off a missing child's back. I can't begin to count the amount of [ censored word ]s who have done just that with their atrociously composed books.
As for the above screenshots. Liz Taylor the Canadian and owner of Gun Store, aka Controversy Facebook page has made video after video, 183 to be exact, accusing the McCanns of crimes they strenuously deny; Taylor, is allegedly making money off the little girl's back with all the videos.
If this is true, then her videos have not been a labor of love for a missing child, more a labor of greed and self gain, that in my opinion, makes her actions absolutely appalling.

http://thehoundingofthemccans.blogspot.co.uk/2013/05/there-is-always-someone-watching-mccann.html?zx=3f0601489e7c2481

 8@??)( 8@??)( 8@??)( 8@??)(
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: Carana on May 27, 2013, 12:49:56 PM
Yep!

Looks as if he's seeking to flog his libellous pap both sides of the Atlantic.

Ah well, onwards and downwards ...


What was the purpose? It seems to have been an attempt at a commercial enterprise - I can't find anything to suggest otherwise.

Who on earth would buy a "dogs-don't-lie" baby outfit or bib for their own child or as a present?
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: sadie on May 27, 2013, 12:54:55 PM
Yep!

Looks as if he's seeking to flog his libellous pap both sides of the Atlantic.

Ah well, onwards and downwards ...


What was the purpose? It seem to have been an attempt at a commercial enterprise - I can't find anything to suggest otherwise.

Who on earth would buy a "dogs-don't-lie" baby outfit or bib for their own child or as a present?


Some must do.  Some who buy will not even know what the message means and buy just for the look.  Sneaky way to get a nasty message across!  And a great money earner.
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: Admin on May 27, 2013, 02:42:18 PM
Anyone who uses the abduction of a child to make money must be condemned.  It is a despicable act and is to be reviled by every sane and decent person irrespective of where they are located in the world.  Maybe it is time these leeches were exposed?

(http://ordinisrubricrucis.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/hideho.jpeg)

Landscape gardener Liz Taylor (above) obsesses over Kate and Gerry McCann in
her videos which attract awards under youtube monetisation scheme.


Read more... (http://ordinisrubricrucis.wordpress.com/2013/04/08/facebook-group-plans-orchestrated-attack-against-mccann-family/)
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: devils advocate on May 27, 2013, 03:44:25 PM
Naked commercialisation on the back of the abduction of a child is to be condemned in any language.Is there anything on that sniffer dog site which explains that the dog is in fact DEAD?


Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: ferryman on May 27, 2013, 03:54:59 PM
Naked commercialisation on the back of the abduction of a child is to be condemned in any language.Is there anything on that sniffer dog site which explains that the dog is in fact DEAD?


Has there been confirmation, other than from a post on (I think!) Missing Madeleine that Eddie died?

It wouldn't surprise me, as he was 7 in 2007 and I don't think Springer Spaniels live particularly long lives.

But I'm not aware of any independent corroboration. 
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: Carana on May 27, 2013, 04:35:27 PM
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Post  Claudia79 on Sat 29 Sep - 0:04
When I last spoke to Mr Grime, on the 25th April Eddie had already passed away. He died from throat cancer. If there's a heaven I hope we'll meet our four-legged friends there when we leave this planet.

http://missingmadeleine.forumotion.net/t21690p15-another-casualty



Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: ferryman on May 27, 2013, 04:41:13 PM
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Post  Claudia79 on Sat 29 Sep - 0:04
When I last spoke to Mr Grime, on the 25th April Eddie had already passed away. He died from throat cancer. If there's a heaven I hope we'll meet our four-legged friends there when we leave this planet.

http://missingmadeleine.forumotion.net/t21690p15-another-casualty

Thanks, Carana, that was the one I was aware of.

I wondered whether there was corroboration from any other source?
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: Carana on May 27, 2013, 04:48:00 PM
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Re: Another casualty....

Post  Claudia79 on Sat 29 Sep - 0:04
When I last spoke to Mr Grime, on the 25th April Eddie had already passed away. He died from throat cancer. If there's a heaven I hope we'll meet our four-legged friends there when we leave this planet.

http://missingmadeleine.forumotion.net/t21690p15-another-casualty

Thanks, Carana, that was the one I was aware of.

I wondered whether there was corroboration from any other source?

Don't know. Are any other Team GA fans in phone contact with Grime, aside from Claudia, to verify?
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: ferryman on May 27, 2013, 04:56:26 PM
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Re: Another casualty....

Post  Claudia79 on Sat 29 Sep - 0:04
When I last spoke to Mr Grime, on the 25th April Eddie had already passed away. He died from throat cancer. If there's a heaven I hope we'll meet our four-legged friends there when we leave this planet.

http://missingmadeleine.forumotion.net/t21690p15-another-casualty

Thanks, Carana, that was the one I was aware of.

I wondered whether there was corroboration from any other source?

Don't know. Are any other Team GA fans in phone contact with Grime, aside from Claudia, to verify?

Plenty claim to be.

Maybe they are ...
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: Admin on May 27, 2013, 04:59:44 PM
It appears that accusing HiDeHo of blatant commercialisation is not accepted by at least one former member of this forum yet the evidence is there for all to see.  The HiDeHo videos are AdSense (http://www.google.co.uk/adsense/start/) enabled as can be seen when you view them.   

If anyone wishes to dispute this please feel free to provide the evidence
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: DCI on May 27, 2013, 05:03:37 PM
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Post  Claudia79 on Sat 29 Sep - 0:04
When I last spoke to Mr Grime, on the 25th April Eddie had already passed away. He died from throat cancer. If there's a heaven I hope we'll meet our four-legged friends there when we leave this planet.

http://missingmadeleine.forumotion.net/t21690p15-another-casualty

Thanks, Carana, that was the one I was aware of.

I wondered whether there was corroboration from any other source?

Don't know. Are any other Team GA fans in phone contact with Grime, aside from Claudia, to verify?

There may be, Carana, but none you will get a truthful answer from.

As for Claudia, if she said it was raining outside, I'd take a look. She is probably GA's biggest fan.  8)-)))

There is nothing anywhere, on the net to say that Eddie, has died. I think there would have been something in the press.
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: Admin on May 27, 2013, 05:05:55 PM
If you like we will e-mail Mr Grime and see if he responds.
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: DCI on May 27, 2013, 05:06:42 PM
If you like we will e-mail Mr Grime and see if he responds.

Thats the only way you will get the truth, Admin  ?>)()<
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: ferryman on May 27, 2013, 05:08:46 PM
It appears that accusing HiDeHo of blatant commercialisation is not accepted by at least one former member of this forum yet the evidence is there for all to see.  The HiDeHo videos are AdSense (http://www.google.co.uk/adsense/start/) enabled as can be seen when you view them.   

If anyone wishes to dispute this please feel free to provide the evidence

Apologies, yes, I was slightly off-topic there, but what I had in mind was (possibly) another form of exploitation, an attempt to divert attention from Madeleine by focussing sympathy on the "wonderdog" (who forgot to put his underpants onto the outside of his trousers before he went to Portugal) ...
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: Carana on May 27, 2013, 05:41:54 PM
Eddie would be quite old by now... so it is quite possible that he has indeed passed away.

If he has, RIP, Eddie, and my thoughts are with those who knew and cared about him, including Keela.
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: Rachel Granada on May 27, 2013, 06:05:22 PM
It appears that accusing HiDeHo of blatant commercialisation is not accepted by at least one former member of this forum yet the evidence is there for all to see.  The HiDeHo videos are AdSense (http://www.google.co.uk/adsense/start/) enabled as can be seen when you view them.   

If anyone wishes to dispute this please feel free to provide the evidence

HideHo's campaign against the McCann family is bad enough - lie-filled videos and a FB page.... to hear that she is actually MAKING MONEY out of her campaign agains this family is just too much for me to take in at the moment. 

How can someone be so horrible against strangers who have never done her any harm?
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: ferryman on May 27, 2013, 06:12:35 PM
Eddie would be quite old by now... so it is quite possible that he has indeed passed away.

If he has, RIP, Eddie, and my thoughts are with those who knew and cared about him, including Keela.

Yes, it would be churlish to dance on Eddie's grave (if he is, indeed, dead which seems quite plausible).

Eddie never intentionally did anyone any harm.

The controversy is whether his abilities and training were exploited ...
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: sadie on May 27, 2013, 06:27:27 PM
It appears that accusing HiDeHo of blatant commercialisation is not accepted by at least one former member of this forum yet the evidence is there for all to see.  The HiDeHo videos are AdSense (http://www.google.co.uk/adsense/start/) enabled as can be seen when you view them.   

If anyone wishes to dispute this please feel free to provide the evidence

HideHo's campaign against the McCann family is bad enough - lie-filled videos and a FB page.... to hear that she is actually MAKING MONEY out of her campaign agains this family is just too much for me to take in at the moment. 

How can someone be so horrible against strangers who have never done her any harm?
8@??)(
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: Rachel Granada on May 27, 2013, 06:41:02 PM
This week we have witnessed the worst and the best of human behaviour.  We have seen the senseless murder of Drummer Lee Rigby on the streets of London -we also saw the compassion and bravery of the ladies who sat down beside Lee and comforted and prayed for him in his last moments.  We have also seen the outpouring of grief from the nation at this senseless killing. 

The majority of the UK Public are decent and caring people.  I would wager that the majority of the UK publlic are behind Kate and Gerry McCann in their struggle.

The majority of the UK public are decent and caring people.
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: Redblossom on May 27, 2013, 06:55:21 PM
It appears that accusing HiDeHo of blatant commercialisation is not accepted by at least one former member of this forum yet the evidence is there for all to see.  The HiDeHo videos are AdSense (http://www.google.co.uk/adsense/start/) enabled as can be seen when you view them.   

If anyone wishes to dispute this please feel free to provide the evidence

Apologies, yes, I was slightly off-topic there, but what I had in mind was (possibly) another form of exploitation, an attempt to divert attention from Madeleine by focussing sympathy on the "wonderdog" (who forgot to put his underpants onto the outside of his trousers before he went to Portugal) ...

Some strange ideas circulate in your mind then, one of the most ridiculous posts for a while


Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: Rachel Granada on May 27, 2013, 06:55:48 PM
It appears that accusing HiDeHo of blatant commercialisation is not accepted by at least one former member of this forum yet the evidence is there for all to see.  The HiDeHo videos are AdSense (http://www.google.co.uk/adsense/start/) enabled as can be seen when you view them.   

If anyone wishes to dispute this please feel free to provide the evidence

I would usually stick pins in my eyes rather than look at one of HideHo's lie-fest videos - however I did so earlier and the aadverts are there plain to see.  She is cashing in on the abduction of a 3 year old child.
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: Redblossom on May 27, 2013, 06:59:23 PM
It appears that accusing HiDeHo of blatant commercialisation is not accepted by at least one former member of this forum yet the evidence is there for all to see.  The HiDeHo videos are AdSense (http://www.google.co.uk/adsense/start/) enabled as can be seen when you view them.   

If anyone wishes to dispute this please feel free to provide the evidence

I dont know how this monetisation youtube system works, is it related? Do you know if its her who has put this adsense thing on rather than youtube? I find it hard to believe that someone who has spent years posting, analysing, recording, whatever anyone thinks of their position,  was doing it for the money when she never made any.
 >@@(*&)
 

Eta

As for the dogs dont lie merchandise, bizarre at best, what you want for xmas dear? A cadaver dog apron for me and a bib for the little un hun
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: Mrs. B on May 27, 2013, 07:00:45 PM
Just curios to know why a post containing a link to Hideho's forum showing the donation button got deleted? I'm obviously not going to repeat the link as it appears some posters find it offensive for some reason. But the truth is that, apart from Adsense, she is also asking for donations.
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: sadie on May 27, 2013, 07:07:27 PM
Just curios to know why a post containing a link to Hideho's forum showing the donation button got deleted? I'm obviously not going to repeat the link as it appears some posters find it offensive for some reason. But the truth is that, apart from Adsense, she is also asking for donations.

Has the donate button just vanished, Mrs B?
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: Redblossom on May 27, 2013, 07:07:40 PM
Just curios to know why a post containing a link to Hideho's forum showing the donation button got deleted? I'm obviously not going to repeat the link as it appears some posters find it offensive for some reason. But the truth is that, apart from Adsense, she is also asking for donations.

What was the donation button for?
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: Mrs. B on May 27, 2013, 07:12:17 PM
AFAIK the donation button was for the purpose it generally is, which, if I'm not mistaken, is to encourage & enable people to make donations to the site owner.
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: Redblossom on May 27, 2013, 07:15:22 PM
AFAIK the donation button was for the purpose it generally is, which, if I'm not mistaken, is to encourage & enable people to make donations to the site owner.

It normally says what for, do post it again pls
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: Mrs. B on May 27, 2013, 07:16:33 PM
Just curios to know why a post containing a link to Hideho's forum showing the donation button got deleted? I'm obviously not going to repeat the link as it appears some posters find it offensive for some reason. But the truth is that, apart from Adsense, she is also asking for donations.

Has the donate button just vanished, Mrs B?

No, I meant a post HERE containing a link to her forum was deleted (not that the donation button is gone).
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: Rachel Granada on May 27, 2013, 07:25:23 PM
Just curios to know why a post containing a link to Hideho's forum showing the donation button got deleted? I'm obviously not going to repeat the link as it appears some posters find it offensive for some reason. But the truth is that, apart from Adsense, she is also asking for donations.

Admin, why was the post linking to the donation button on hideho's forum deleted? 
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: Mrs. B on May 27, 2013, 07:35:10 PM
Just curios to know why a post containing a link to Hideho's forum showing the donation button got deleted? I'm obviously not going to repeat the link as it appears some posters find it offensive for some reason. But the truth is that, apart from Adsense, she is also asking for donations.

Admin, why was the post linking to the donation button on hideho's forum deleted?

Not that it really matters, mind, but it does further highlight the monetary aspect.
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: Rachel Granada on May 27, 2013, 07:50:14 PM
Just curios to know why a post containing a link to Hideho's forum showing the donation button got deleted? I'm obviously not going to repeat the link as it appears some posters find it offensive for some reason. But the truth is that, apart from Adsense, she is also asking for donations.

Admin, why was the post linking to the donation button on hideho's forum deleted?

Not that it really matters, mind, but it does further highlight the monetary aspect.

It does highlight that aspect, and I think Admin need to explain why they have deleted a link to something that is there in black and white, in the public domain.  It is not libellous or untrue - so why delete the link?
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: Mrs. B on May 27, 2013, 07:50:29 PM
Just curios to know why a post containing a link to Hideho's forum showing the donation button got deleted? I'm obviously not going to repeat the link as it appears some posters find it offensive for some reason. But the truth is that, apart from Adsense, she is also asking for donations.

Admin, why was the post linking to the donation button on hideho's forum deleted?

NB, might not have been Admin, could have been the original poster who deleted it.
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: Redblossom on May 27, 2013, 07:51:31 PM
Just curios to know why a post containing a link to Hideho's forum showing the donation button got deleted? I'm obviously not going to repeat the link as it appears some posters find it offensive for some reason. But the truth is that, apart from Adsense, she is also asking for donations.

Admin, why was the post linking to the donation button on hideho's forum deleted?

Not that it really matters, mind, but it does further highlight the monetary aspect.

Seeing as you saw it perhaps enlighten those of us who didnt what it actually said
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: Rachel Granada on May 27, 2013, 07:52:49 PM
Just curios to know why a post containing a link to Hideho's forum showing the donation button got deleted? I'm obviously not going to repeat the link as it appears some posters find it offensive for some reason. But the truth is that, apart from Adsense, she is also asking for donations.

Admin, why was the post linking to the donation button on hideho's forum deleted?

NB, might not have been Admin, could have been the original poster who deleted it.

yes, could have been, to be fair.  But why delete something that is the truth?  Someone seeking money for a site dedicated to a campaign against the family of a missing child.
Title: Re: Confirmed >>Eddie is dead
Post by: Admin on May 27, 2013, 08:17:11 PM
Eddie would be quite old by now... so it is quite possible that he has indeed passed away.

If he has, RIP, Eddie, and my thoughts are with those who knew and cared about him, including Keela.

We will post this separately on another thread but we want to let everyone know that we have received a reply from Martin Grime this afternoon confirming that Eddie had indeed expired following a battle with throat cancer.  We are told that he passed away peacefully and did not suffer.

Admin  ?>)()<
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: Redblossom on May 27, 2013, 08:21:00 PM
Thanks Admin, nice to get an answer isnt it, and also to put paid to conspiracy theories on here by some members that his death was invented to move attention away from Madeleine LOL

Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: Redblossom on May 27, 2013, 08:27:04 PM
Does the Mccanns making millions count in this thread question? Especially when they promised to be totally transparent like a charity with the monies but have been anything but. And where there is no proof they spent all te money on searching but spent hundreds of thousands if not more on lawyers, pr merchants and court cases rather than SEARCHING

 >@@(*&)

They also reckoned in their first year accounts that their two bit website cost 37k to run for a year, see breakdown here

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1131284/Where-2m-gave-Madeleine-McCann-gone.html
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: Admin on May 27, 2013, 08:29:16 PM
It appears that accusing HiDeHo of blatant commercialisation is not accepted by at least one former member of this forum yet the evidence is there for all to see.  The HiDeHo videos are AdSense (http://www.google.co.uk/adsense/start/) enabled as can be seen when you view them.   

If anyone wishes to dispute this please feel free to provide the evidence

I dont know how this monetisation youtube system works, is it related? Do you know if its her who has put this adsense thing on rather than youtube? I find it hard to believe that someone who has spent years posting, analysing, recording, whatever anyone thinks of their position,  was doing it for the money when she never made any.
 >@@(*&)
 

Eta

As for the dogs dont lie merchandise, bizarre at best, what you want for xmas dear? A cadaver dog apron for me and a bib for the little un hun


This post is a response to Redblossom and also those who have pm's us directly.


You have to opt-in to receive the Google AdSense payments for putting your videos up on youtube.  You can of course opt out if you feel that it is morally objectionable.  It would appear therefore that Liz Taylor oka HiDeHo is making money out of the videos as suggested earlier in the thread.

We will be quite happy to remove the posts relating to her monetisation of youtube for financial gain should this state of affair be reversed.
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: ferryman on May 27, 2013, 08:30:17 PM
Does the Mccanns making millions count in this thread question?

Where do you get that dross from?
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: Redblossom on May 27, 2013, 08:31:42 PM
Does the Mccanns making millions count in this thread question?

Where do you get that dross from?

It is not dross, its fact that millions have gone into their accounts

Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: Redblossom on May 27, 2013, 08:33:53 PM
It appears that accusing HiDeHo of blatant commercialisation is not accepted by at least one former member of this forum yet the evidence is there for all to see.  The HiDeHo videos are AdSense (http://www.google.co.uk/adsense/start/) enabled as can be seen when you view them.   

If anyone wishes to dispute this please feel free to provide the evidence

I dont know how this monetisation youtube system works, is it related? Do you know if its her who has put this adsense thing on rather than youtube? I find it hard to believe that someone who has spent years posting, analysing, recording, whatever anyone thinks of their position,  was doing it for the money when she never made any.
 >@@(*&)
 

Eta

As for the dogs dont lie merchandise, bizarre at best, what you want for xmas dear? A cadaver dog apron for me and a bib for the little un hun


This post is a response to Redblossom and also those who have pm's us directly.


You have to opt-in to receive the Google AdSense payments for putting your videos up on youtube.  You can of course opt out if you feel that it is morally objectionable.  It would appear therefore that Liz Taylor oka HiDeHo is making money out of the videos as suggested earlier in the thread.

We will be quite happy to remove the posts relating to her monetisation of youtube for financial gain should this state of affair be reversed.

Thanks, Im not sure of the ins and outs, but I really dont see Hideho doing what she does for money
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: ferryman on May 27, 2013, 08:35:47 PM
 Im not sure of the ins and outs,

Nothing new there ....
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: Mrs. B on May 27, 2013, 08:38:15 PM
No, the McCann setting up a fund for their missing child, fulfilling all the legal requirements for a non-profit ltd, is not comparable to a person with no morals trying to profit from the tragedy involving someone else's missing child, & in doing so, at same time willfully misleading the public by promoting lies & debunked tabloid stories from 2007. IMO of course.
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: Admin on May 27, 2013, 08:40:18 PM
Madeleine's Fund: Leaving No Stone Unturned Limited is an Active business incorporated in England & Wales on 15th May 2007. Their business activity is recorded as Other Social Work Activities Without Accommodation N.e.c.. Madeleine's Fund: Leaving No Stone Unturned Limited is run by 6 current members. and 1 company secretary.  It has no share capital.  It is not part of a group.

The latest Annual Accounts submitted to Companies House for the year up to 31/03/2012 reported 'cash at bank' of £173,321, 'liabilities' worth £52,906, 'net worth' of £125,175 and 'assets' worth £178,081. Madeleine's Fund: Leaving No Stone Unturned Limited's risk score was amended on 16/01/2013.

http://companycheck.co.uk/company/06248215

One of the things that distinguishes a limited company from a charity is that it does not have all the rules and regulations which govern the conduct of the fundraising and which controls the proportion of the charities funds that are spent on overheads, expenses and wages etc.
 
It was also reported at the time that the Charity Commission was extremely disturbed at the way the Fund was being advertised as it gave people the impression that they were donating to a charity - not a private limited company.
 
The reality is, however unpalatable, that Madeleine's Fund is a private limited company and can therefore spend the money donated in any way it so chooses. The memorandum of association is so wide that practically any expenditure could be approved by the board of directors.

Madeleine's fund time-line (http://www.mccannfiles.com/id58.html)
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: Mrs. B on May 27, 2013, 08:44:02 PM
It was also reported at the time that the Charity Commission was extremely disturbed at the way the Fund was being advertised as it gave people the impression that they were donating to a charity - not a private limited company.

Interesting, would you happen to know where it was reported?
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: Redblossom on May 27, 2013, 08:51:24 PM
Im not sure of the ins and outs,

Nothing new there ....

I am honeat at least, as opposed to you
 @)(++(*



Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: Redblossom on May 27, 2013, 08:53:39 PM
Madeleine's Fund: Leaving No Stone Unturned Limited is an Active business incorporated in England & Wales on 15th May 2007. Their business activity is recorded as Other Social Work Activities Without Accommodation N.e.c.. Madeleine's Fund: Leaving No Stone Unturned Limited is run by 6 current members. and 1 company secretary.  It has no share capital.  It is not part of a group.

The latest Annual Accounts submitted to Companies House for the year up to 31/03/2012 reported 'cash at bank' of £173,321, 'liabilities' worth £52,906, 'net worth' of £125,175 and 'assets' worth £178,081. Madeleine's Fund: Leaving No Stone Unturned Limited's risk score was amended on 16/01/2013.

http://companycheck.co.uk/company/06248215

One of the things that distinguishes a limited company from a charity is that it does not have all the rules and regulations which govern the conduct of the fundraising and which controls the proportion of the charities funds that are spent on overheads, expenses and wages etc.
 
It was also reported at the time that the Charity Commission was extremely disturbed at the way the Fund was being advertised as it gave people the impression that they were donating to a charity - not a private limited company.
 
The reality is, however unpalatable, that Madeleine's Fund is a private limited company and can therefore spend the money donated in any way it so chooses. The memorandum of association is so wide that practically any expenditure could be approved by the board of directors.

Madeleine's fund time-line (http://www.mccannfiles.com/id58.html)

Indeed and this very important analysis


http://www.mccannfiles.com/id405.html
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: Mrs. B on May 27, 2013, 09:09:08 PM
The truth is that a charity cannot be set up for the benefit of ONE person. Therefore, every fund set up for any ONE missing child or person can simply not have charitable status.
http://hullcvs.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/downloads/12893154731287650571settingupacharityfaqsfactsheet_a4.pdf

There is nothing unpalatable about it as far as I am concerned.  Nor do I think the public are unaware of this fact.
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: Redblossom on May 27, 2013, 09:18:40 PM
The truth is that a charity cannot be set up for the benefit of ONE person. Therefore, every fund set up for any ONE missing child or person can simply not have charitable status.
http://hullcvs.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/downloads/12893154731287650571settingupacharityfaqsfactsheet_a4.pdf

There is nothing unpalatable about it as far as I am concerned.  Nor do I think the public are unaware of this fact.

The mccanns were near to be given charity status they refused it and went ahead to a plc, read enid odowds report linked earlier for the facts on this matter
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: debunker on May 27, 2013, 09:35:19 PM
The truth is that a charity cannot be set up for the benefit of ONE person. Therefore, every fund set up for any ONE missing child or person can simply not have charitable status.
http://hullcvs.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/downloads/12893154731287650571settingupacharityfaqsfactsheet_a4.pdf

There is nothing unpalatable about it as far as I am concerned.  Nor do I think the public are unaware of this fact.

The mccanns were near to be given charity status they refused it and went ahead to a plc, read enid odowds report linked earlier for the facts on this matter

A charity has to be for a public good and cannot be for a single person's benefit.
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: ferryman on May 27, 2013, 09:42:34 PM
George Galloway set up the Mariam appeal as a private company.

The charity commission investigated and found that its remit was sufficiently wide for it to be set up as a charity, but gave Galloway the benefit of the doubt

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3847287.stm

The Madeleine appeal was set up exclusively for Madeleine, too narrow a remit for it be set up as a charity.
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: DCI on May 27, 2013, 09:48:10 PM
The truth is that a charity cannot be set up for the benefit of ONE person. Therefore, every fund set up for any ONE missing child or person can simply not have charitable status.
http://hullcvs.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/downloads/12893154731287650571settingupacharityfaqsfactsheet_a4.pdf

There is nothing unpalatable about it as far as I am concerned.  Nor do I think the public are unaware of this fact.

The mccanns were near to be given charity status they refused it and went ahead to a plc, read enid odowds report linked earlier for the facts on this matter

Is that so, Red? You really should do your homework  8-)(--)

Fund raising

Madeleine's Fund

A fund-raising company, known as Madeleine's Fund: Leaving No Stone Unturned, was launched in Leicester on 16 May 2007. The Fund is a limited company, not a registered charity, because its objectives are not wide enough to satisfy Charity Commission criteria for UK charities. The objectives include helping the extended family with their expenses (to prevent abuse, payments can only be authorised by the independent members of the board who are not family members) and continuing the investigation independently should that prove necessary. Any excess funds would be used to help search for other abducted children. The Fund's website reportedly received 58 million hits and 16,000 messages of support by 18 May, only two days after its launch. Over £1,095,000 had been raised by 30 October 2007.

Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: Mrs. B on May 27, 2013, 09:55:36 PM
Here's Mr. Bennett on Havern's "Especial thanks to Enid O'Dowd, the accountant who wrote up an excellent analysis of the Fund. She flew over from the Irish Republic to help me. She was not allowed to be a witness for me at today's hearing, because Mr Justice Tugendhat deemed it irrelevant to the issues he had to decide. He did however say that her evidence might well be relevant at a future hearing."

Nothing to do with Bennett, indeed. Nothing at all it seems. LOL
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: debunker on May 27, 2013, 09:55:57 PM
BUMPED

And just who is O'Dowd?

Waht are her specific qualifications?

She is an Irish accountant. Unsure whether she specialises in English charity law. I wonder what she says anyway.

Is she chartered?

Is she with a reputable firm?

Please

Is she chartered.  In what discipline of accountancy is she?

She seems to be a polemic writer as well in Irish politics as well as being a chartered accountant.

Until we see what she claims about English charity status we shall not know how much she knows about it. Cite awaited.
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: sadie on May 27, 2013, 09:57:32 PM
Thank you debunker 8((()*/
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: Mrs. B on May 27, 2013, 09:58:39 PM
I'm sorry but they do really need to come up with something a bit more substantial to accuse the McCann of fund fraud. Maybe that's why nobody has seen any investigations into the fund, no arrests, no charges etc?

It certainly hasn't been due to the lack of TRYING from the anti McCann side. But sadly, no takers it seems.
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: DCI on May 27, 2013, 09:59:29 PM
Here's Mr. Bennett on Havern's "Especial thanks to Enid O'Dowd, the accountant who wrote up an excellent analysis of the Fund. She flew over from the Irish Republic to help me. She was not allowed to be a witness for me at today's hearing, because Mr Justice Tugendhat deemed it irrelevant to the issues he had to decide. He did however say that her evidence might well be relevant at a future hearing."

Nothing to do with Bennett, indeed. Nothing at all it seems. LOL

I think he would have done better, taking Enid Blyton  @)(++(*
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: DCI on May 27, 2013, 10:02:58 PM
I'm sorry but they do really need to come up with something a bit more substantial to accuse the McCann of fund fraud. Maybe that's why nobody has seen any investigations into the fund, no arrests, no charges etc?

It certainly hasn't been due to the lack of TRYING from the anti McCann side. But sadly, no takers it seems.

 8@??)( 8@??)( 8@??)(

Lets see some of Bennetts and Amarals accounts. And what they have used them for  8(0(*
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: Redblossom on May 27, 2013, 10:04:26 PM
Here's Mr. Bennett on Havern's "Especial thanks to Enid O'Dowd, the accountant who wrote up an excellent analysis of the Fund. She flew over from the Irish Republic to help me. She was not allowed to be a witness for me at today's hearing, because Mr Justice Tugendhat deemed it irrelevant to the issues he had to decide. He did however say that her evidence might well be relevant at a future hearing."

Nothing to do with Bennett, indeed. Nothing at all it seems. LOL

I didnt know that but in no way proves enid odowd was working for bennett when she wrote her article just that she decided to support him
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: Redblossom on May 27, 2013, 10:05:37 PM
I'm sorry but they do really need to come up with something a bit more substantial to accuse the McCann of fund fraud. Maybe that's why nobody has seen any investigations into the fund, no arrests, no charges etc?

It certainly hasn't been due to the lack of TRYING from the anti McCann side. But sadly, no takers it seems.

Pathetic

as if posters on the internet are going to get  soca or anyone else  to investigate the fund, try harder
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: Mrs. B on May 27, 2013, 10:06:30 PM
Or let's get back to the beginning of the thread even, let's see some of Hideho's accounts - I'm sure she'd like to to keep all her affairs open, transparent & above board so that she doesn't get subjected to the same accusations as she herself enjoys subjecting the McCann family to.
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: DCI on May 27, 2013, 10:11:55 PM
I'm sorry but they do really need to come up with something a bit more substantial to accuse the McCann of fund fraud. Maybe that's why nobody has seen any investigations into the fund, no arrests, no charges etc?

It certainly hasn't been due to the lack of TRYING from the anti McCann side. But sadly, no takers it seems.

 8@??)( 8@??)( 8@??)(

Lets see some of Bennetts and Amarals accounts. And what they have used them for  8(0(*

I dont think bennett ever had the unaccounted  for  MILLIONS  that the mccanns did hello? Never mind stupid post as usual by you

Not millions, no. Unlike Amaral, in his ill gotten gains.
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: DCI on May 27, 2013, 10:14:48 PM
Here's Hideho boasting about her stats.

Update-- Nearly HALF million HiDeHo Video Views!

HiDeHo on Sat 11 Aug - 3:25

249,933 video views250,712

http://www.youtube.com/user/HiDeHo4/videos?sort=p&view=0

Countdown....67 more views and we have reached a QUARTER OF A MILLION PEOPLE that have seen the CADAVER dogs...the FORENSIC pics...and portions of the POLICE FILES etc etc.!

I keep counting the views but when I realise it translates to that amount, knowing that, apart from a few direct uploads the rest are compiled videos that show all of the above mentioned details, I am sooooo happy.

No accolades please....The Twitterers and facebookers deserve that. I just see it as a step closer to the day that we can see Madeleine laid to rest in peace, with the world and her family able to grieve and she can finally receive the respect she deserves.

That's all I want.

http://missingmadeleine.forumotion.net/t21305-update-nearly-half-million-hideho-video-views
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: Redblossom on May 27, 2013, 10:28:42 PM
I'm sorry but they do really need to come up with something a bit more substantial to accuse the McCann of fund fraud. Maybe that's why nobody has seen any investigations into the fund, no arrests, no charges etc?

It certainly hasn't been due to the lack of TRYING from the anti McCann side. But sadly, no takers it seems.

 8@??)( 8@??)( 8@??)(

Lets see some of Bennetts and Amarals accounts. And what they have used them for  8(0(*

I dont think bennett ever had the unaccounted  for  MILLIONS  that the mccanns did hello? Never mind stupid post as usual by you

Not millions, no. Unlike Amaral, in his ill gotten gains.

you do need to keep up, mccanns made at least 5  million quid and never had to account for it
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: devils advocate on May 27, 2013, 10:29:54 PM
Quote
I just see it as a step closer to the day that we can see Madeleine laid to rest in peace,

shocking

I posted a photo of a headstone earlier but admin must have removed it.I agree it was insensitive but i just wanted to show what that site called dogsdontlie.com were up to.


By the way does anyone know who runs or benefits from that site? 
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: Mrs. B on May 27, 2013, 10:30:57 PM
Quote
I just see it as a step closer to the day that we can see Madeleine laid to rest in peace,

shocking

she can finally receive the respect she deserves.

She would be receiving it now if it hadn't been for her lot disrespecting the right of this little missing child to be regarded as a find-able missing child, worth looking for.
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: debunker on May 27, 2013, 10:31:32 PM
Was anything other than two mortgage payments and support and transport when they were in Portugal paid for out of the fund?

Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: John on May 27, 2013, 10:34:08 PM
I thought these snippets might be useful...


"We were first approached for our advice about the possibility of a fund to assist the parents' search on Monday 14 May," explained a spokeswoman for the Commission. "We held discussions with the family's lawyers and in the end they decided not to pursue that route."

It was thought that the original idea was to set the fund up as a charity but this was rejected, according to The Times, when it became clear that a charity cannot be operated for the sole benefit of one person. The Charity Commission later denied this.

The fund will not benefit from gift aid, a form of tax relief that allows charities to claim from the government an additional 28p for every £1 they receive in donations. And tax will have to be paid on all interest accrued by the fund.
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: Redblossom on May 27, 2013, 10:37:17 PM
Was anything other than two mortgage payments and support and transport when they were in Portugal paid for out of the fund?

Irrelevant question, the POINT is the mccanns have garnered millions, they do not HAVE to say where any of it went in detail ie they are hiding it because they CHOSE NOT to DISCLOSE it as a charity might when they adtually said they WOULD be as trnsparent as a charity, they were not, ergo they LIED
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: DCI on May 27, 2013, 10:38:34 PM
I'm sorry but they do really need to come up with something a bit more substantial to accuse the McCann of fund fraud. Maybe that's why nobody has seen any investigations into the fund, no arrests, no charges etc?

It certainly hasn't been due to the lack of TRYING from the anti McCann side. But sadly, no takers it seems.

 8@??)( 8@??)( 8@??)(

Lets see some of Bennetts and Amarals accounts. And what they have used them for  8(0(*

I dont think bennett ever had the unaccounted  for  MILLIONS  that the mccanns did hello? Never mind stupid post as usual by you

Not millions, no. Unlike Amaral, in his ill gotten gains.

you do need to keep up, mccanns made at least 5  million quid and never had to account for it

Was anything other than two mortgage payments and support and transport when they were in Portugal paid for out of the fund?

Was the transport paid for by the fund, debunker?
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: gilet on May 27, 2013, 10:42:35 PM
Slightly off topic but it was seriously funny when Bennett was slapped down by Judge Tugendhat for not even realising that the O'Dowd woman's half-cocked attempt at dissecting the figures of the Madeleine Fund (as she didn't have the figures to work on she couldn't really do more than tell us what we already knew) was nothing to do with the case he was conducting and that she had wasted her time turning up in London on a typical wild goose chase directed by Bennett. Hilarious.

When a lawyer gets things as badly wrong as that then you know he is a hopeless case.

As for Liz Taylor making money out of her videos. I think its all starting to make sense now. She has been trying to push those videos in every corner of the Internet that she can find since those ads went on the videos.

No wonder Liz Taylor from Toronto fled like a frightened rat when she was cornered and asked to defend the lies and abuse and libel which they contain. No wonder she simply pushed the line that she was proud of them without trying to answer. Of course she is proud, they are making money for her. She is proud of the fact that she has found a way of boosting her income from this libellous trash which defiles the name of Madeleine McCann with hate and lies.

Liz Taylor the wood grainer from Toronto has found a new vocation. Liar and thief. She is stealing the money from the genuine copyright owners by adding lies to their content. What a way to earn a living and all on the back of a missing child!

She should be ashamed and even more so in that she has dragged her children Jesse and Ashley into the whole situation. Using that portrait of her son's on every video of lies and stolen material was crass and using that song of theirs was even more stupid.
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: Mrs. B on May 27, 2013, 10:43:03 PM
The abduction of a child is something too awful to contemplate for any parent but there is evidence that several individuals are now cashing in on this despicable crime.

We have a look at some of them.

No, I think this was the above was the opening post on this thread, since we are so touchy about keeping to the subject.
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: debunker on May 27, 2013, 10:43:33 PM

Was the transport paid for by the fund, debunker?

I assume that reasonable expenses including travel for their stay in Portugal could quite easily and reasonably be paid fr I m the fund.
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: Mrs. B on May 27, 2013, 10:44:37 PM
Slightly off topic but it was seriously funny when Bennett was slapped down by Judge Tugendhat for not even realising that the O'Dowd woman's half-cocked attempt at dissecting the figures of the Madeleine Fund (as she didn't have the figures to work on she couldn't really do more than tell us what we already knew) was nothing to do with the case he was conducting and that she had wasted her time turning up in London on a typical wild goose chase directed by Bennett. Hilarious.

When a lawyer gets things as badly wrong as that then you know he is a hopeless case.

As for Liz Taylor making money out of her videos. I think its all starting to make sense now. She has been trying to push those videos in every corner of the Internet that she can find since those ads went on the videos.

No wonder Liz Taylor from Toronto fled like a frightened rat when she was cornered and asked to defend the lies and abuse and libel which they contain. No wonder she simply pushed the line that she was proud of them without trying to answer. Of course she is proud, they are making money for her. She is proud of the fact that she has found a way of boosting her income from this libellous trash which defiles the name of Madeleine McCann with hate and lies.

Liz Taylor the wood grainer from Toronto has found a new vocation. Liar and thief. She is stealing the money from the genuine copyright owners by adding lies to their content. What a way to earn a living and all on the back of a missing child!

She should be ashamed and even more so in that she has dragged her children Jesse and Ashley into the whole situation. Using that portrait of her son's on every video of lies and stolen material was crass and using that song of theirs was even more stupid.

 8@??)( 8@??)( 8@??)( 8@??)(
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: gilet on May 27, 2013, 10:45:33 PM
Was anything other than two mortgage payments and support and transport when they were in Portugal paid for out of the fund?

Irrelevant question, the POINT is the mccanns have garnered millions, they do not HAVE to say where any of it went in detail ie they are hiding it because they CHOSE NOT to DISCLOSE it as a charity might when they adtually said they WOULD be as trnsparent as a charity, they were not, ergo they LIED

Do you have a link to a direct quote from them saying it would be "as trnsparent as a charity"? Or did you just make that up?

Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: Redblossom on May 27, 2013, 10:49:20 PM
Was anything other than two mortgage payments and support and transport when they were in Portugal paid for out of the fund?

Irrelevant question, the POINT is the mccanns have garnered millions, they do not HAVE to say where any of it went in detail ie they are hiding it because they CHOSE NOT to DISCLOSE it as a charity might when they adtually said they WOULD be as trnsparent as a charity, they were not, ergo they LIED

Do you have a link to a direct quote from them saying it would be "as trnsparent as a charity"? Or did you just make that up?

No I didnt make it up, why would I?
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: debunker on May 27, 2013, 10:51:46 PM
Red Blossom just does not do cites or references.
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: Mrs. B on May 27, 2013, 10:52:16 PM
Mmm... who said the O'dowd woman had nothing to do with Bennett earlier & was proven to be, shall we say, economical with the truth?
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: amaraltheofficeboy on May 27, 2013, 10:57:59 PM
Quote
Redblossom
Thanks, Im not sure of the ins and outs, but I really dont see Hideho doing what she does for money

how sure about that are you?
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: Mrs. B on May 27, 2013, 10:59:30 PM
No, I have no intention of doing that, besides, I think it would help you if you did slightly less of the being on the pi..ss bit & tried to avoid posting while under the influence.
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: Benice on May 27, 2013, 10:59:57 PM
I'm sorry but they do really need to come up with something a bit more substantial to accuse the McCann of fund fraud. Maybe that's why nobody has seen any investigations into the fund, no arrests, no charges etc?

It certainly hasn't been due to the lack of TRYING from the anti McCann side. But sadly, no takers it seems.

 8@??)( 8@??)( 8@??)(

Lets see some of Bennetts and Amarals accounts. And what they have used them for  8(0(*

I dont think bennett ever had the unaccounted  for  MILLIONS  that the mccanns did hello? Never mind stupid post as usual by you

Not millions, no. Unlike Amaral, in his ill gotten gains.

you do need to keep up, mccanns made at least 5  million quid and never had to account for it

Surely they have had to account to the Inland Revenue?  - who are not too keen on fraud - and yet appear to be satisfied that the accounts are in order.     You never mention the money that has been put into the fund by the McCanns and their friends, which of course they could have all kept for themselves but didn't.    Or the profits from Kate's book which, unlike Amaral's profits from his book, have not gone into her private bank account but have also gone into the fund.   




Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: John on May 27, 2013, 11:16:53 PM
They have to pay UK Corporation Tax on the earnings just as any other Limited Company in the UK does.

Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: John on May 27, 2013, 11:19:55 PM
A point which some may have missed is that HiDeHo is using material from many other sources which are in fact most probably copyright.  It is incumbent on any youtube user who signs up for AdSense to ensure that material which they include within videos and which they do not have original title to is authorised to them by  its owner.

If you suspect that someone is using copyright material in their own videos you can report it to Google.

https://support.google.com/adsense/contact/violation_report?rd=1
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: debunker on May 27, 2013, 11:20:39 PM
They have to pay UK Corporation Tax on the earnings just as any other Limited Company in the UK does.

Only on earnings, not on donations or gifts.

If any money is spent directly on directors as salary or expenses, this needs to be shown in the accounts and tax paid at the marginal rate for the individual.

I see no such records in the accounts.
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: John on May 27, 2013, 11:28:59 PM
Sorry, I should have said all income has to be declared and as it is a Limited Company will be subject to tax after expenses are deducted.

I would have thought charity status would have been the preferred vehicle though?
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: Mrs. B on May 27, 2013, 11:38:57 PM
Yes, I'm sure it would, but as:

"Charities exist to benefit the public, not specific individuals."

 - See more at: http://www.charitycommission.gov.uk/start-up-a-charity/setting-up-a-charity/about-charities/#sthash.QluYfh0y.dpuf
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: gilet on May 28, 2013, 12:14:19 AM
Was anything other than two mortgage payments and support and transport when they were in Portugal paid for out of the fund?

Irrelevant question, the POINT is the mccanns have garnered millions, they do not HAVE to say where any of it went in detail ie they are hiding it because they CHOSE NOT to DISCLOSE it as a charity might when they adtually said they WOULD be as trnsparent as a charity, they were not, ergo they LIED

Do you have a link to a direct quote from them saying it would be "as trnsparent as a charity"? Or did you just make that up?

No I didnt make it up, why would I?

What a silly question. You would make it up as it is a statement which allegedly supports your diatribe against the McCanns and the fund. However your failure to respond other than with this silly suggestion does make people wonder about whether you made it up.

Can you provide any reference to it or is it just a figment of your imagination?

It is against the T&C of this site to state things as fact without providing something to back up what you have said. So can you provide anything or not?

When people post claims and refuse to back them up with any kind of proof that what they claim ever even happened then its a fair assumption that they are inventing things, especially if they do it on a regular basis.

So simple questions. Where and when did Gerry or Kate McCann say the fund would be "as trnsparent as a charity"?

Or are we to assume that you cannot support that claim at all?

Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: muratfan on May 28, 2013, 12:21:50 AM
Don't forget Anthony Bennett tried to make money from Madeleine as well, what with his leaflets/booklets
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: amaraltheofficeboy on May 28, 2013, 12:23:14 AM
Quote
"as transparent as a charity"

I believe there was something a long long time ago in the annals of history that did say something along those lines.

Of course it only matters to certain people so no way am I going to try to find it.
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: amaraltheofficeboy on May 28, 2013, 12:24:59 AM
Don't forget Anthony Bennett tried to make money from Madeleine as well, what with his leaflets/booklets

"tried" being the operative word.

he tried a lot of things in life and look how he ended up.

I notice a comeback on his forum though.
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: gilet on May 28, 2013, 12:28:18 AM
Your disgusting post is what I have come to expect from you.

It shows that you cannot support your claim with any evidence at all.

It shows that you are only able to post abuse rather than engage in debate.

Everyone who reads your post will see that you are simply hiding from the question I posed to you.

I repeat.

Can you show us any evidence that Kate or Gerry McCann ever made a claim that the fund would be as transparent as a charity or are you simply making it up.

So far you have not managed to show anything other than that you are an abusive poster. Could you please return to the actual topic instead of posting personal abuse towards me and answer the question.

I remind you that there is a very good reason why you should answer and that is the T&C which you signed up to on joining this forum. You are supposed to back up what you state as fact with some kind of evidence.

Either you are simply too idle to bother or you don't have anything to back up what you have stated. Either way, its you who can be seen to have run away from the debate, not me.

I await your evidence and will debate that when it appears.

Your abuse is not really worth debating. Everyone can see what a moron it makes you look.

Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: gilet on May 28, 2013, 12:29:07 AM
Quote
"as transparent as a charity"

I believe there was something a long long time ago in the annals of history that did say something along those lines.

Of course it only matters to certain people so no way am I going to try to find it.

Redblossom is making the claim here. She should support that claim with evidence or I for one won't believe it.

Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: Admin on May 28, 2013, 03:55:26 AM
Two points require clarification.

1.  We are unaware of any link to HiDeHo being deleted.   The HiDeHo website does in fact have a donations page which asks for help to keep the site advertisement free while at the same time hosting several advertisements at the bottom of the page.  Rather hypocritical we thought!

http://forum2.aimoo.com/MadeleineMcCann/Forum_donation.html


2.  We have been in touch with Mr Grime again concerning the dogsdontlie website which in reality is a McCann hate site.  Martin advises that he is aware of this site but insists that it has nothing to do with him.  He also states for the record that neither he nor the Company (GSSI) support this site.  We trust this clarifies matters satisfactorily. 

Does anyone know who is behind this US site which libels the McCanns and depicts a photo of a headstone (http://dogsdontlie.com/main/memoriam/) with Madeleine McCann on it?

Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: Carana on May 28, 2013, 07:36:14 AM

By Stevo

Truth for Madeleine /Eddie: Dogs don't lie

http://gerrymccan-abuseofpower-humanrights.blogspot.co.uk/2009/02/thanks-to-kate-and-gerry-mccann-for.html
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: debunker on May 28, 2013, 07:47:34 AM

By Stevo

Truth for Madeleine /Eddie: Dogs don't lie

http://gerrymccan-abuseofpower-humanrights.blogspot.co.uk/2009/02/thanks-to-kate-and-gerry-mccann-for.html

Any sane person reading that without any knowledge about the case would assume that he is just a fanatical conspiracy theorist. It should have been set in Green Ink Handwriting font!
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: Angelo222 on May 28, 2013, 08:36:33 AM
Two points require clarification.

1.  We are unaware of any link to HiDeHo being deleted.   The HiDeHo website does in fact have a donations page which asks for help to keep the site advertisement free while at the same time hosting several advertisements at the bottom of the page.  Rather hypocritical we thought!

http://forum2.aimoo.com/MadeleineMcCann/Forum_donation.html


2.  We have been in touch with Mr Grime again concerning the dogsdontlie website which in reality is a McCann hate site.  Martin advises that he is aware of this site but insists that it has nothing to do with him.  He also states for the record that neither he nor the Company (GSSI) support this site.  We trust this clarifies matters satisfactorily. 

Does anyone know who is behind this US site which libels the McCanns and depicts a photo of a headstone (http://dogsdontlie.com/main/memoriam/) with Madeleine McCann on it?

Mrs Taylor loves her advertisements by the looks of it.   She has been well and truly caught out peppering the internet with her anti McCann propaganda simply in order to gain google hits.  What a loser!!!   @)(++(*

As for the slime ball who is behind the dogsdontlie site and who is using a dead dog and the work done by Martin Grime to promote his or her wares, could you think of a more ghoulish state of affairs?  It's about time the law caught up with these crooks imo.
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: Chinagirl on May 28, 2013, 08:55:11 AM
Two points require clarification.

1.  We are unaware of any link to HiDeHo being deleted.   The HiDeHo website does in fact have a donations page which asks for help to keep the site advertisement free while at the same time hosting several advertisements at the bottom of the page.  Rather hypocritical we thought!

http://forum2.aimoo.com/MadeleineMcCann/Forum_donation.html


2.  We have been in touch with Mr Grime again concerning the dogsdontlie website which in reality is a McCann hate site.  Martin advises that he is aware of this site but insists that it has nothing to do with him.  He also states for the record that neither he nor the Company (GSSI) support this site.  We trust this clarifies matters satisfactorily. 

Does anyone know who is behind this US site which libels the McCanns and depicts a photo of a headstone (http://dogsdontlie.com/main/memoriam/) with Madeleine McCann on it?

Mrs Taylor loves her advertisements by the looks of it.   She has been well and truly caught out peppering the internet with her anti McCann propaganda simply in order to gain google hits.  What a loser!!!   @)(++(*

As for the slime ball who is behind the dogsdontlie site and who is using a dead dog and the work done by Martin Grime to promote his or her wares, could you think of a more ghoulish state of affairs?  It's about time the law caught up with these crooks imo.

Agreed - but I wonder if any sane person actually buys any of that tacky merchandise.
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: sadie on May 28, 2013, 11:07:14 AM
Two points require clarification.

1.  We are unaware of any link to HiDeHo being deleted.   The HiDeHo website does in fact have a donations page which asks for help to keep the site advertisement free while at the same time hosting several advertisements at the bottom of the page.  Rather hypocritical we thought!

http://forum2.aimoo.com/MadeleineMcCann/Forum_donation.html


2.  We have been in touch with Mr Grime again concerning the dogsdontlie website which in reality is a McCann hate site.  Martin advises that he is aware of this site but insists that it has nothing to do with him.  He also states for the record that neither he nor the Company (GSSI) support this site.  We trust this clarifies matters satisfactorily. 

Does anyone know who is behind this US site which libels the McCanns and depicts a photo of a headstone (http://dogsdontlie.com/main/memoriam/) with Madeleine McCann on it?

Mrs Taylor loves her advertisements by the looks of it.   She has been well and truly caught out peppering the internet with her anti McCann propaganda simply in order to gain google hits.  What a loser!!!   @)(++(*

As for the slime ball who is behind the dogsdontlie site and who is using a dead dog and the work done by Martin Grime to promote his or her wares, could you think of a more ghoulish state of affairs?  It's about time the law caught up with these crooks imo.

Agreed - but I wonder if any sane person actually buys any of that tacky merchandise.

They are not to everybodies taste, but they are well designed, professionally I think ... and they look reasonable, or good quality.


They will be bought by thousands.   Think of all the springer spaniel owners and their friends,.  People who have no idea about the message behind them. 


Cunning ploy getting others, who know nothing about that message, to inadvertantly promote your agenda.




Oh, and making money on the back of a missing child at the same time
.... and getting adoration from the [ censored word], who will buy them as Christmas presents for all and sundry. 8)-)))



Only my opinion, of course
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: gilet on May 28, 2013, 12:45:14 PM
Two points require clarification.

1.  We are unaware of any link to HiDeHo being deleted.   The HiDeHo website does in fact have a donations page which asks for help to keep the site advertisement free while at the same time hosting several advertisements at the bottom of the page.  Rather hypocritical we thought!

http://forum2.aimoo.com/MadeleineMcCann/Forum_donation.html


2.  We have been in touch with Mr Grime again concerning the dogsdontlie website which in reality is a McCann hate site.  Martin advises that he is aware of this site but insists that it has nothing to do with him.  He also states for the record that neither he nor the Company (GSSI) support this site.  We trust this clarifies matters satisfactorily. 

Does anyone know who is behind this US site which libels the McCanns and depicts a photo of a headstone (http://dogsdontlie.com/main/memoriam/) with Madeleine McCann on it?

The owner of the site is Stephen B Marsden (Steve, Stevo), who is an Englishman residing in the USA since 2006 and who used a fake name (Brian Johnson) to self publish his libel about the McCanns.

He was an early "colleague" of Tony Bennett when Bennett started his attacks on the McCanns with Deborah Butler who became famous as the face of stalking in the UK. He ran their webpage I believe.

It seemed that even Bennett found the methods of Steve Marsden objectionable as they had a rather nasty online fall out over claims that Bennett had committed fraud and went their separate ways.

One of the methods used by Steve Marsden was to set up a fake web page purporting to be the journalist who exposed Deborah Butler and later went to court to testify about Bennett.

It was a method he had used previously. He cloned the web page of the accountancy company which had dismissed his wife. He even had the gall to go to court over that and claim that as it was a public site he had the right to clone it. He lost of course.

http://law.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/west-virginia/wvsdce/2:2007cv00678/41731/95

He has since expanded his range of interests from Madeleine McCann and now has an interest in another missing little girl, Aliayah Lunsford.

Spreading information is one thing but making money and asking people to post anonymous information about cases on your page is very different. Its interfering with a case in my view. What is it about these people who think they have a right to piggyback off the suffering of others either to make money or to interfere?

http://aliayahlunsford.info/

Looking at the registrant details of that Aliayah site is revealing.

Admin Name:Steve Marsden
Admin Organization:
Admin Street1:1409 Village Drive
Admin Street2:
Admin Street3:
Admin City:South Charleston
Admin State/Province:West Virginia
Admin Postal Code:25309
Admin Country:US
Admin Phone:+1.3045904400
Admin Phone Ext.:
Admin FAX:
Admin FAX Ext.:
Admin Email:steve@wvdigitalservices.com
Billing ID:CR94889378
Billing Name:Steve Marsden

It looks like he is admin of a local double glazing company site too.

http://stalbanswindow.info.ip4.bz/

http://stalbanswindows.com/


He has also in the past had a site called weightaminute.info which looks as though it may have been a clone of WeightaMinute.com.

He also registered a Pamwest.info site I wonder if he was cloning a Pam West with this one?

http://www.bulkregister.com/whois/pamwest-info.html

He has a thing about MSG too.

http://banmsgnow.info/about/


His own site is wVdIgitalServices.com which seems to be a sales site for technology, offers tuning of PCs and also is apparently linked to webpage optimisation.

He is also the admin of the West Virginia Bar Foundation website, the philanthropic arm of the local lawyers organisation.

www.Wvbarfoundation.org

Perhaps all these sites and others like www.CPWV.info (clone of www.CPWV.org ?), www.Enerfab.info (clone of www.Enerfab.com ?), www.Usactionnews.info (clone of www.actionnews.com ?), www.cpwv.info. www.hypnotherapy-services.info etc. are just initial drafts of web sites which Steve Marsden created for clients? Perhaps they were an attempt to elicit money from these organisations by selling alternative site names to them?

One site which doesn't fit these categories seems to be an attempt by Steve Marsden who is the owner to damage the reputation of his ex wife and her partner by pretending to be the partner's site. It doesn't name Marsden but refers clearly to his family and his departure to the USA in 2006.

http://andywillows.info/
http://dawhois.com/domain/andywillows.info.html

192.com has Stephen B Marsden living at Torksey pre 2006, just 6 miles from the location listed in this nasty site which Steve Marsden has created to harass his former wife.

When he was in the UK Stephen Bernard Marsden owned Spidersoft with his wife and was listed as Software Engineer there.

http://www.companieslist.co.uk/02711865-spidersoft-limited
https://www.duedil.com/director/902918695/stephen-bernard-marsden

He was also a director of Website Associates Limited.
http://companycheck.co.uk/director/902918695#dissolved-appointments

Picture of Stephen Bernard Marsden in 2007/8
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_N6HOMHstLB4/SvrGiLU-MOI/AAAAAAAAACI/u3GShaI0pkA/S240/Marsden.jpg)

Picture of Stephen Bernard Marsden recently.
(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Aliayah%20Lunsford%20%20-WV-/112411StevMarsden-hopestohelp.jpg)
(http://s296.photobucket.com/user/crankycrankerson/media/Aliayah%20Lunsford%20%20-WV-/112411steveM.jpg.html)
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: amaraltheofficeboy on May 28, 2013, 01:02:13 PM
he also alleged that he was a pilot.

He did a lot of analysis of "the last" photo and believed it was fake.

He made numerous allegations of health problems with Madeleine.

He was the one that flew somewhere to measure the playhouse (in one of the pictures from PDL) to prove there was something fishy with the photo.

He spent a considerable amount of time of forums trying to "out" posters.
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: debunker on May 28, 2013, 01:22:23 PM
He was also involved with the demise of the 3as with Beowulf.

He was fully identified and outed with a Google earth picture of his house in WV back in 2008.

Nasty piece of work!
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: sadie on May 28, 2013, 02:07:06 PM
Two points require clarification.

1.  We are unaware of any link to HiDeHo being deleted.   The HiDeHo website does in fact have a donations page which asks for help to keep the site advertisement free while at the same time hosting several advertisements at the bottom of the page.  Rather hypocritical we thought!

http://forum2.aimoo.com/MadeleineMcCann/Forum_donation.html


2.  We have been in touch with Mr Grime again concerning the dogsdontlie website which in reality is a McCann hate site.  Martin advises that he is aware of this site but insists that it has nothing to do with him.  He also states for the record that neither he nor the Company (GSSI) support this site.  We trust this clarifies matters satisfactorily. 

Does anyone know who is behind this US site which libels the McCanns and depicts a photo of a headstone (http://dogsdontlie.com/main/memoriam/) with Madeleine McCann on it?

The owner of the site is Stephen B Marsden (Steve, Stevo), who is an Englishman residing in the USA since 2006 and who used a fake name (Brian Johnson) to self publish his libel about the McCanns.

He was an early "colleague" of Tony Bennett when Bennett started his attacks on the McCanns with Deborah Butler who became famous as the face of stalking in the UK. He ran their webpage I believe.

It seemed that even Bennett found the methods of Steve Marsden objectionable as they had a rather nasty online fall out over claims that Bennett had committed fraud and went their separate ways.

One of the methods used by Steve Marsden was to set up a fake web page purporting to be the journalist who exposed Deborah Butler and later went to court to testify about Bennett.

It was a method he had used previously. He cloned the web page of the accountancy company which had dismissed his wife. He even had the gall to go to court over that and claim that as it was a public site he had the right to clone it. He lost of course.

http://law.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/west-virginia/wvsdce/2:2007cv00678/41731/95

He has since expanded his range of interests from Madeleine McCann and now has an interest in another missing little girl, Aliayah Lunsford.

Spreading information is one thing but making money and asking people to post anonymous information about cases on your page is very different. Its interfering with a case in my view. What is it about these people who think they have a right to piggyback off the suffering of others either to make money or to interfere?

http://aliayahlunsford.info/

Looking at the registrant details of that Aliayah site is revealing.

Admin Name:Steve Marsden
Admin Organization:
Admin Street1:1409 Village Drive
Admin Street2:
Admin Street3:
Admin City:South Charleston
Admin State/Province:West Virginia
Admin Postal Code:25309
Admin Country:US
Admin Phone:+1.3045904400
Admin Phone Ext.:
Admin FAX:
Admin FAX Ext.:
Admin Email:steve@wvdigitalservices.com
Billing ID:CR94889378
Billing Name:Steve Marsden

It looks like he is admin of a local double glazing company site too.

http://stalbanswindow.info.ip4.bz/

http://stalbanswindows.com/


He has also in the past had a site called weightaminute.info which looks as though it may have been a clone of WeightaMinute.com.

He also registered a Pamwest.info site I wonder if he was cloning a Pam West with this one?

http://www.bulkregister.com/whois/pamwest-info.html

He has a thing about MSG too.

http://banmsgnow.info/about/


His own site is wVdIgitalServices.com which seems to be a sales site for technology, offers tuning of PCs and also is apparently linked to webpage optimisation.

He is also the admin of the West Virginia Bar Foundation website, the philanthropic arm of the local lawyers organisation.

www.Wvbarfoundation.org

Perhaps all these sites and others like www.CPWV.info (clone of www.CPWV.org ?), www.Enerfab.info (clone of www.Enerfab.com ?), www.Usactionnews.info (clone of www.actionnews.com ?), www.cpwv.info. www.hypnotherapy-services.info etc. are just initial drafts of web sites which Steve Marsden created for clients? Perhaps they were an attempt to elicit money from these organisations by selling alternative site names to them?

One site which doesn't fit these categories seems to be an attempt by Steve Marsden who is the owner to damage the reputation of his ex wife and her partner by pretending to be the partner's site. It doesn't name Marsden but refers clearly to his family and his departure to the USA in 2006.

http://andywillows.info/
http://dawhois.com/domain/andywillows.info.html

192.com has Stephen B Marsden living at Torksey pre 2006, just 6 miles from the location listed in this nasty site which Steve Marsden has created to harass his former wife.

When he was in the UK Stephen Bernard Marsden owned Spidersoft with his wife and was listed as Software Engineer there.

http://www.companieslist.co.uk/02711865-spidersoft-limited
https://www.duedil.com/director/902918695/stephen-bernard-marsden

He was also a director of Website Associates Limited.
http://companycheck.co.uk/director/902918695#dissolved-appointments

Picture of Stephen Bernard Marsden in 2007/8
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_N6HOMHstLB4/SvrGiLU-MOI/AAAAAAAAACI/u3GShaI0pkA/S240/Marsden.jpg)
snipped...............
OMG.  I feel sure it isn't, but how like this mstery man, Stevo is. 
(http://i44.servimg.com/u/f44/16/84/94/43/827mad10.jpg)
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: sadie on May 28, 2013, 02:10:36 PM
There a hell of a lot of likenesses, but upon examining the photos, seems the mystery mans nose is a little shorter, perchance?
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: muratfan on May 28, 2013, 03:03:34 PM
Wasn't the mystery man a off duty Police officer from the PJ, who actually was on a day off.
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: sadie on May 28, 2013, 03:18:07 PM
I think that you are right Muratfan, but there is a huge likeness isn't there?
Did anyone check this PJ officer out and make sure the report that he was an off duty officer, was bona fide?  Anyone know?


Picture of Stephen Bernard Marsden in 2007/8
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_N6HOMHstLB4/SvrGiLU-MOI/AAAAAAAAACI/u3GShaI0pkA/S240/Marsden.jpg)
snipped...............

OMG.  I feel sure it isn't, but how like this mstery man, Stevo is. 
(http://i44.servimg.com/u/f44/16/84/94/43/827mad10.jpg)
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: sadie on May 28, 2013, 03:32:54 PM
What would an off duty PJ officer be doing at a private facility like Ocean Club?   Only wondering.


Also, who is it that is peeping thru the climbing frame?  A friend pointed that out to me several yerars ago, but I had quite forgotten it.




Both things are probably quite innocent, but better to record an innocent thing than perhaps miss something sinister
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: amaraltheofficeboy on May 28, 2013, 04:00:12 PM
Oh and Stevo supposedly wrote a book about the case "Faked Abduction"

(complete with photoshopped billboards etc)
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: muratfan on May 28, 2013, 04:21:11 PM
Depends, most resorts are open to non residents as well as residents.  There was a picture of the officer somewhere on the web, but I know I cannot find it.

Because it was said he was an officer, the people, who do not like, claimed that the Officer was part of a protection team, or spying on the McCanns...

Some suggested he was watching Madeleine
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: Carana on May 28, 2013, 04:37:00 PM
Wasn't the mystery man a off duty Police officer from the PJ, who actually was on a day off.

Don't think that ever panned out.

There was a photo of a PSP agent in some kind of demonstration somewhere who vaguely resembled him.

The guy in the play area photo is more likely to be some tourist or other, in my view.



Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: sadie on May 28, 2013, 04:38:25 PM
Well I am open minded about him. >@@(*&) 

But it certainly doesn't make sense that a PJ officer would be watching The Mccanns before the abduction 8-)(--)




Does it?
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: DCI on May 28, 2013, 04:40:34 PM
Well I am open minded about him. >@@(*&) 

But it certainly doesn't make sense that a PJ officer would be watching The Mccanns before the abduction 8-)(--)


Does it?

Well if one was, ????
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: sadie on May 28, 2013, 04:50:42 PM
A tourist is probably right, but there is a hell of a likeness, isn't there.

One picture is smiling, the other has the face in repose.  When somebody smiles the mouth lengthens, the cheeks swell and widen the lower face, in this case it hides a little of the upper jaw...  but the dome of the head doesn't alter; neither does the actual jaw.

Seems the dome and the jaw are perfect .  Not sure about the length of the nose; difficult to judge with the sunglasses in place.


But what would Stevo be doing over in PdL?  Too far from home, I think
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: Carana on May 28, 2013, 04:54:21 PM



Resolved Question

McCanns: who was that bald guy with glasses ?
In the early days of the case of missing Madeleine McCann, a man with shaved head and glasses was picked up in photo's of Gerry playing with the kids, and subsequently with Robert Murat during the early days of the search.

Was it ever found out who he was ? and what his connection to both Gerry McCann and Robert Murat was ?

Source: http://bp1.blogger.com/_mXbRBcSh0gs/RrSu…

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Best Answer - Chosen by Asker
He was identified at the police files as a tourist of asian origin named Raj. A lot of people tried to prove he was a Portuguese copper, thus enforcing the conspiracy theory. Photos of a portuguese police officer at a protest in Lisbon were scattered all over the Internet. It was OBVIOUSLY not the same man.
Eta:
He was participating in the searches. So was I and about 50 people that I know. Are we all suspects?
The man in the picture has been identified by the PJ ages ago. He got his name all over the internet.
I guess no good deed goes unpunished in the McCann case.
Attempts were made to establish his ID as a Portuguese PSP copper. PSP doesn't even have jurisdiction at Praia da Luz...
Edit@littleweed: Now I know which picture you mean. No. Not the same person. I have it with much better definition if you want to check it by yourself.
EDIT EDIT EDIT EDIT:
I'm sorry, maybe I'm not making myself clear:
- "Playground man" was identified by the police as a Tourist. He is named in the police files and there can not be any doubt about it. He has a child and he was at the playground with her when the photo was taken. This is a fact, not an opinion. To see something sinister at that is a long stretch.
- The "searcher" with the white t-shirt is indeed the same man. He is helping with the search, same as Murat and a lot of tourists and locals. Stop punishing him for that good deed, please.
- The PSP agent pictured at a previous protest of the Police Association is NOT the same man. He has a shaven head and a moustache. He doesn't even look like him, come on! Different body structure and different face.
- PSP does not have jurisdiction at Praia da Luz. Plus, the k9 SAR team there is from the GNR.
- The PSP at the protest is not a plainclothes officer.
- Every good citizen who is in a friendly situation with the cops looks like that. I guess the reason for that goes back to the days when we were hesitating between a career as a fireman or as a police officer...I've witnessed a few civilian using "police lingo" with cops. It's part of being a human being and wanting to belong. We're all chameleons.

    4 years ago

http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090601120621AA4YyOp
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: sadie on May 28, 2013, 04:59:10 PM
Well I am open minded about him. >@@(*&) 

But it certainly doesn't make sense that a PJ officer would be watching The Mccanns before the abduction 8-)(--)


Does it?

Well if one was, ????

Am not understanding you


OOOOh, I think I understand what you are saying.  I guess that is possible ...

I have wondered about the PJ being involved in drug smuggling.  Pay offs for turning a blind eye, not noticing things, etc.    That sort of criminal activity .... but I had never considered child trafficking ... or paedophilia by the PJ, for themselves? or for monatory gain.  I guess it is possible
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: sadie on May 28, 2013, 05:05:50 PM
Seems from Caranas post #129

That he is not PSP anyway




Well he is a complete mystery to me.   Nothing seems likely

... and perhaps I was wrong putting the two photos side by side.  What a likeness tho
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: gilet on May 28, 2013, 05:34:32 PM
he also alleged that he was a pilot.

He did a lot of analysis of "the last" photo and believed it was fake.

He made numerous allegations of health problems with Madeleine.

He was the one that flew somewhere to measure the playhouse (in one of the pictures from PDL) to prove there was something fishy with the photo.

He spent a considerable amount of time of forums trying to "out" posters.

Stephen Bernard Marsden, pilot.

http://pilots-airmen.findthedata.org/l/364365/Marsden

I can't vouch for this site or where the details of qualifications are obtained. For all I know you might simply have to submit your own details. It certainly doesn't engender confidence as a site.

Marsden's main Madeleine site is here with his bizarre medical claims, posts about wendy houses and esoteric comments on photos etc.

http://truthformadeleine.com/



Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: amaraltheofficeboy on May 28, 2013, 06:19:14 PM
he also alleged that he was a pilot.

He did a lot of analysis of "the last" photo and believed it was fake.

He made numerous allegations of health problems with Madeleine.

He was the one that flew somewhere to measure the playhouse (in one of the pictures from PDL) to prove there was something fishy with the photo.

He spent a considerable amount of time of forums trying to "out" posters.

Stephen Bernard Marsden, pilot.

http://pilots-airmen.findthedata.org/l/364365/Marsden

I can't vouch for this site or where the details of qualifications are obtained. For all I know you might simply have to submit your own details. It certainly doesn't engender confidence as a site.

Marsden's main Madeleine site is here with his bizarre medical claims, posts about wendy houses and esoteric comments on photos etc.

http://truthformadeleine.com/

Quote
Pilot Foreign Based

where is Airfix based again?
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: gilet on May 28, 2013, 06:33:24 PM
he also alleged that he was a pilot.

He did a lot of analysis of "the last" photo and believed it was fake.

He made numerous allegations of health problems with Madeleine.

He was the one that flew somewhere to measure the playhouse (in one of the pictures from PDL) to prove there was something fishy with the photo.

He spent a considerable amount of time of forums trying to "out" posters.

Stephen Bernard Marsden, pilot.

http://pilots-airmen.findthedata.org/l/364365/Marsden

I can't vouch for this site or where the details of qualifications are obtained. For all I know you might simply have to submit your own details. It certainly doesn't engender confidence as a site.

Marsden's main Madeleine site is here with his bizarre medical claims, posts about wendy houses and esoteric comments on photos etc.

http://truthformadeleine.com/

Quote
Pilot Foreign Based

where is Airfix based again?

Margate in Kent, England. And you are probably closer to the mark with the plastic models than any real thing. As there is no medical certificate attached to his listing he would be unable to fly anyway.
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: debunker on May 28, 2013, 06:43:48 PM
I did some research in 2008/2009. He was then an active pilot and co-owned a light aircraft. IIRC he has a licence for twin engine business planes as well.
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: DCI on May 28, 2013, 07:03:20 PM

Resolved Question

McCanns: who was that bald guy with glasses ?
In the early days of the case of missing Madeleine McCann, a man with shaved head and glasses was picked up in photo's of Gerry playing with the kids, and subsequently with Robert Murat during the early days of the search.

Was it ever found out who he was ? and what his connection to both Gerry McCann and Robert Murat was ?

Source: http://bp1.blogger.com/_mXbRBcSh0gs/RrSu…

    4 years ago
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SardineMuncher SardineM...
Best Answer - Chosen by Asker
He was identified at the police files as a tourist of asian origin named Raj. A lot of people tried to prove he was a Portuguese copper, thus enforcing the conspiracy theory. Photos of a portuguese police officer at a protest in Lisbon were scattered all over the Internet. It was OBVIOUSLY not the same man.
Eta:
He was participating in the searches. So was I and about 50 people that I know. Are we all suspects?
The man in the picture has been identified by the PJ ages ago. He got his name all over the internet.
I guess no good deed goes unpunished in the McCann case.
Attempts were made to establish his ID as a Portuguese PSP copper. PSP doesn't even have jurisdiction at Praia da Luz...
Edit@littleweed: Now I know which picture you mean. No. Not the same person. I have it with much better definition if you want to check it by yourself.
EDIT EDIT EDIT EDIT:
I'm sorry, maybe I'm not making myself clear:
- "Playground man" was identified by the police as a Tourist. He is named in the police files and there can not be any doubt about it. He has a child and he was at the playground with her when the photo was taken. This is a fact, not an opinion. To see something sinister at that is a long stretch.
- The "searcher" with the white t-shirt is indeed the same man. He is helping with the search, same as Murat and a lot of tourists and locals. Stop punishing him for that good deed, please.
- The PSP agent pictured at a previous protest of the Police Association is NOT the same man. He has a shaven head and a moustache. He doesn't even look like him, come on! Different body structure and different face.
- PSP does not have jurisdiction at Praia da Luz. Plus, the k9 SAR team there is from the GNR.
- The PSP at the protest is not a plainclothes officer.
- Every good citizen who is in a friendly situation with the cops looks like that. I guess the reason for that goes back to the days when we were hesitating between a career as a fireman or as a police officer...I've witnessed a few civilian using "police lingo" with cops. It's part of being a human being and wanting to belong. We're all chameleons.

4 years ago

http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090601120621AA4YyOp



I presume it is Rajinder Raj Singh BALU

http://videos.sapo.pt/cIrWOIO5DFIvUF6dpZf2
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: sadie on May 28, 2013, 07:23:41 PM
I presume it is Rajinder Raj Singh BALU

http://videos.sapo.pt/cIrWOIO5DFIvUF6dpZf2

Well found DC1

@ 2.42 - about 2.48. 

Looks very similar.  Seems you are right.
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: Redblossom on May 28, 2013, 09:14:36 PM
Your disgusting post is what I have come to expect from you.

It shows that you cannot support your claim with any evidence at all.

It shows that you are only able to post abuse rather than engage in debate.

Everyone who reads your post will see that you are simply hiding from the question I posed to you.

I repeat.

Can you show us any evidence that Kate or Gerry McCann ever made a claim that the fund would be as transparent as a charity or are you simply making it up.

So far you have not managed to show anything other than that you are an abusive poster. Could you please return to the actual topic instead of posting personal abuse towards me and answer the question.

I remind you that there is a very good reason why you should answer and that is the T&C which you signed up to on joining this forum. You are supposed to back up what you state as fact with some kind of evidence.

Either you are simply too idle to bother or you don't have anything to back up what you have stated. Either way, its you who can be seen to have run away from the debate, not me.

I await your evidence and will debate that when it appears.

Your abuse is not really worth debating. Everyone can see what a moron it makes you look.
[/s]

Join the dots, so sorry Mr and Mrs M did not say it verbatim!!
So no *invention* of mine as you accuse, along with several other *inventions* you accuse me of, do read

About the Fund

Madeleine's Fund - 'Leaving No Stone Unturned' is a not-for-profit company which has been established to find Madeleine McCann, support her family and bring her abductors to justice. The Fund is following best practice governance procedures as set out in the Good Governance Code for the Voluntary and Community Sector. The directors of the company are Brian Kennedy, Michael Linnett, Edward Smethurst, Jon Corner, Kate McCann & Gerry McCann. They have appropriate legal, business and charitable experience. An experienced Fund Administrator has been appointed to ensure the highest standards of transparency and accountability. This should enable the Directors to maintain an appropriate governance distance in the day-to-day operations of the Fund.

Fund Objectives

The full objects of the Fund are:

To secure the safe return to her family of Madeleine McCann who was abducted in Praia da Luz, Portugal on Thursday 3rd May 2007;
To procure that Madeleine's abduction is thoroughly investigated and that her abductors, as well as those who played or play any part in assisting them, are identified and brought to justice; and
To provide support, including financial assistance, to Madeleine's family.
If the above objects are fulfilled then the objects of the Foundation shall be to pursue such purposes in similar cases arising in the United Kingdom, Portugal or elsewhere.

Fund Raising

We thank you for your interest in fund raising to support Madeleine's fund. Many donations have resulted from a variety of fund raising events. These have included Car Boot sales, jumble sales, school cake sales, race nights, sponsored runs & cycle events, ‘dress down' days, auctions & ‘cheese & wine' nights.

These events have further highlighted Madeleine's plight as well as bringing many people together to have fun whilst working towards one common goal.

We would be grateful if you are considering fund raising that you do not refer to Madeleine's fund as a registered charity as it is not. If you are embarking on a type fund raising which may carry an element of risk you may wish to consider your position regarding insurance cover. If you require further information please refer to:

http://www.institute-of-fundraising.org.uk/bestpractice/thecodes/codesoffundraisingpractice/





(5) If Madeleine's Fund isn't a charity who is regulating it?

The directors regulate Madeleine's Fund and they aspire to follow best practice policies and processes used by charities. The directors have reviewed its operation against “Good Governance: A Code for the Voluntary and Community Sector”. This sets out best practice requirements for charities.


Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: Redblossom on May 28, 2013, 09:19:22 PM
Red Blossom just does not do cites or references.

No need to lie now is there, just to have a dig, I back up most of my posts with links and give references when asked, poor poor show
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: DCI on May 28, 2013, 09:26:18 PM
I see Amaral, is still making his money, on Dear Julia's couch, with his side kick, Sargento!  ?>)()<

The other two guests look really uncomfortable  8-)(--)

http://sic.sapo.pt/Programas/Queridajulia/2013/05/28/atualidade-criminal-de-28-de-maio
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: Jazzy on May 28, 2013, 09:33:06 PM
Your disgusting post is what I have come to expect from you.

It shows that you cannot support your claim with any evidence at all.

It shows that you are only able to post abuse rather than engage in debate.

Everyone who reads your post will see that you are simply hiding from the question I posed to you.

I repeat.

Can you show us any evidence that Kate or Gerry McCann ever made a claim that the fund would be as transparent as a charity or are you simply making it up.

So far you have not managed to show anything other than that you are an abusive poster. Could you please return to the actual topic instead of posting personal abuse towards me and answer the question.

I remind you that there is a very good reason why you should answer and that is the T&C which you signed up to on joining this forum. You are supposed to back up what you state as fact with some kind of evidence.

Either you are simply too idle to bother or you don't have anything to back up what you have stated. Either way, its you who can be seen to have run away from the debate, not me.

I await your evidence and will debate that when it appears.

Your abuse is not really worth debating. Everyone can see what a moron it makes you look.
[/s]

Join the dots, so sorry Mr and Mrs M did not say it verbatim!!
So no *invention* of mine as you accuse, along with several other *inventions* you accuse me of, do read

About the Fund

Madeleine's Fund - 'Leaving No Stone Unturned' is a not-for-profit company which has been established to find Madeleine McCann, support her family and bring her abductors to justice. The Fund is following best practice governance procedures as set out in the Good Governance Code for the Voluntary and Community Sector. The directors of the company are Brian Kennedy, Michael Linnett, Edward Smethurst, Jon Corner, Kate McCann & Gerry McCann. They have appropriate legal, business and charitable experience. An experienced Fund Administrator has been appointed to ensure the highest standards of transparency and accountability. This should enable the Directors to maintain an appropriate governance distance in the day-to-day operations of the Fund.

Fund Objectives

The full objects of the Fund are:

To secure the safe return to her family of Madeleine McCann who was abducted in Praia da Luz, Portugal on Thursday 3rd May 2007;
To procure that Madeleine's abduction is thoroughly investigated and that her abductors, as well as those who played or play any part in assisting them, are identified and brought to justice; and
To provide support, including financial assistance, to Madeleine's family.
If the above objects are fulfilled then the objects of the Foundation shall be to pursue such purposes in similar cases arising in the United Kingdom, Portugal or elsewhere.

Fund Raising

We thank you for your interest in fund raising to support Madeleine's fund. Many donations have resulted from a variety of fund raising events. These have included Car Boot sales, jumble sales, school cake sales, race nights, sponsored runs & cycle events, ‘dress down' days, auctions & ‘cheese & wine' nights.

These events have further highlighted Madeleine's plight as well as bringing many people together to have fun whilst working towards one common goal.

We would be grateful if you are considering fund raising that you do not refer to Madeleine's fund as a registered charity as it is not. If you are embarking on a type fund raising which may carry an element of risk you may wish to consider your position regarding insurance cover. If you require further information please refer to:

http://www.institute-of-fundraising.org.uk/bestpractice/thecodes/codesoffundraisingpractice/





(5) If Madeleine's Fund isn't a charity who is regulating it?

The directors regulate Madeleine's Fund and they aspire to follow best practice policies and processes used by charities. The directors have reviewed its operation against “Good Governance: A Code for the Voluntary and Community Sector”. This sets out best practice requirements for charities.

 Ok newbie! Confused. Is that post really aimed at the McCanns?
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: Redblossom on May 28, 2013, 09:55:03 PM
No RedBlossom..you quote lies

Fill your boots and list the lies I post or have by others accounts INVENTED

jazzy its aimed at answering the question,when did the mccanns ever say the fund would be as  transparent as a charity, its been likened to charities fund wise and transparency in accounts, which is not happening but it gets obviously on so many peoples craw for some reason, reason being the mccanns accounts have NOT been transparent, let alone to the highest standards, not my problem LOL
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: icabodcrane on May 28, 2013, 11:40:36 PM


There is nothing incoherent in Redblossom's post quoting from the Madeleine Fund's Articles of Association

The claim is made, in those Articles of Association, that the fund aspires to follow  "best practice policies and processes used by charities"   

The point was well made, and should be acknowledged
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: debunker on May 29, 2013, 06:34:06 AM


There is nothing incoherent in Redblossom's post quoting from the Madeleine Fund's Articles of Association

The claim is made, in those Articles of Association, that the fund aspires to follow  "best practice policies and processes used by charities"   

The point was well made, and should be acknowledged


It is a typical Redblossom 'bait and switch'.

Originally she said:

"Irrelevant question, the POINT is the mccanns have garnered millions, they do not HAVE to say where any of it went in detail ie they are hiding it because they CHOSE NOT to DISCLOSE it as a charity might when they adtually said they WOULD be as trnsparent as a charity, they were not, ergo they LIED"

Then she posts the articles of association that were not written by the McCanns.

It does not prove her allegation that the McCanns lied.

Small charities need to disclose as little in their accounts as a private company limited by guarantee. Even if it were a charity, it could still have published abbreviated accounts. The suggestion that they would have been forced to declare more detail as a charity is a myth.
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: Angelo222 on May 29, 2013, 08:46:06 AM


There is nothing incoherent in Redblossom's post quoting from the Madeleine Fund's Articles of Association

The claim is made, in those Articles of Association, that the fund aspires to follow  "best practice policies and processes used by charities"   

The point was well made, and should be acknowledged


It is a typical Redblossom 'bait and switch'.

Originally she said:

"Irrelevant question, the POINT is the mccanns have garnered millions, they do not HAVE to say where any of it went in detail ie they are hiding it because they CHOSE NOT to DISCLOSE it as a charity might when they adtually said they WOULD be as trnsparent as a charity, they were not, ergo they LIED"

Then she posts the articles of association that were not written by the McCanns.

It does not prove her allegation that the McCanns lied.

Small charities need to disclose as little in their accounts as a private company limited by guarantee. Even if it were a charity, it could still have published abbreviated accounts. The suggestion that they would have been forced to declare more detail as a charity is a myth.

No Debunker...nothing to do with the McCanns just as it wasn't their fault that they chose to neglect their three children.  I was of the opinion that you were only interested in the facts of the case yet are an apologist for the McCanns.  Are they not both directors of the Madeleine Company?  Are they not jointly and severally responsible along with the other directors for the constitution of the Company?  Your comment that the McCanns are not to know what is in the Articles of Association because they didn't write them must rank among one of the weakest comments you have ever posted.  Bottom line is they guaranteed transparency but deliver little.

Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: Mrs. B on May 29, 2013, 08:59:25 AM
Personally, I'm perfectly happy with the fund accounts. I have seen no evidence of any wrong doing, & having donated, I have no reason to suspect there is any. But what I do suspect is that those who make it their business to whine about lack of transparency are among those who never donated a penny.
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: icabodcrane on May 29, 2013, 06:43:38 PM


There is nothing incoherent in Redblossom's post quoting from the Madeleine Fund's Articles of Association

The claim is made, in those Articles of Association, that the fund aspires to follow  "best practice policies and processes used by charities"   

The point was well made, and should be acknowledged


It is a typical Redblossom 'bait and switch'.

Originally she said:

"Irrelevant question, the POINT is the mccanns have garnered millions, they do not HAVE to say where any of it went in detail ie they are hiding it because they CHOSE NOT to DISCLOSE it as a charity might when they adtually said they WOULD be as trnsparent as a charity, they were not, ergo they LIED"

Then she posts the articles of association that were not written by the McCanns.

It does not prove her allegation that the McCanns lied.

Small charities need to disclose as little in their accounts as a private company limited by guarantee. Even if it were a charity, it could still have published abbreviated accounts. The suggestion that they would have been forced to declare more detail as a charity is a myth.

You are incorrect

If the Madeleine Fund were a registered charity  it would be obliged to submit full and detailed accounts to the charity commission, which would, in turn,  make the full accounts freely available to download on it's website

In submitting abbreviated accounts, therefore,  the Fund is  not following best practice requirements for charities
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: Redblossom on May 29, 2013, 06:47:37 PM


There is nothing incoherent in Redblossom's post quoting from the Madeleine Fund's Articles of Association

The claim is made, in those Articles of Association, that the fund aspires to follow  "best practice policies and processes used by charities"   

The point was well made, and should be acknowledged


It is a typical Redblossom 'bait and switch'.

Originally she said:

"Irrelevant question, the POINT is the mccanns have garnered millions, they do not HAVE to say where any of it went in detail ie they are hiding it because they CHOSE NOT to DISCLOSE it as a charity might when they adtually said they WOULD be as trnsparent as a charity, they were not, ergo they LIED"

Then she posts the articles of association that were not written by the McCanns.

It does not prove her allegation that the McCanns lied.

Small charities need to disclose as little in their accounts as a private company limited by guarantee. Even if it were a charity, it could still have published abbreviated accounts. The suggestion that they would have been forced to declare more detail as a charity is a myth.

No Debunker...nothing to do with the McCanns just as it wasn't their fault that they chose to neglect their three children.  I was of the opinion that you were only interested in the facts of the case yet are an apologist for the McCanns.  Are they not both directors of the Madeleine Company?  Are they not jointly and severally responsible along with the other directors for the constitution of the Company?  Your comment that the McCanns are not to know what is in the Articles of Association because they didn't write them must rank among one of the weakest comments you have ever posted.  Bottom line is they guaranteed transparency but deliver little.

Its on THEIR website, which KM has also said she runs, so they cant not know what was written LOL, thats where I got it from, and also KM mentions it in her book somewhere

http://www.findmadeleine.com/about_the_campaign/


And registered charities do have to submit full accounts to the charities commission from what I understand

It seems the Mccans were given the opportunity to register the fund as a charity by the charities commission and went on anyway pdq to make it a ltd company, see enid odowds forensic accounting report on mccannfiles.com
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: debunker on May 29, 2013, 06:49:03 PM


There is nothing incoherent in Redblossom's post quoting from the Madeleine Fund's Articles of Association

The claim is made, in those Articles of Association, that the fund aspires to follow  "best practice policies and processes used by charities"   

The point was well made, and should be acknowledged


It is a typical Redblossom 'bait and switch'.

Originally she said:

"Irrelevant question, the POINT is the mccanns have garnered millions, they do not HAVE to say where any of it went in detail ie they are hiding it because they CHOSE NOT to DISCLOSE it as a charity might when they adtually said they WOULD be as trnsparent as a charity, they were not, ergo they LIED"

Then she posts the articles of association that were not written by the McCanns.

It does not prove her allegation that the McCanns lied.

Small charities need to disclose as little in their accounts as a private company limited by guarantee. Even if it were a charity, it could still have published abbreviated accounts. The suggestion that they would have been forced to declare more detail as a charity is a myth.

You are incorrect

If the Madeleine Fund were a registered charity  it would be obliged to submit full and detailed accounts to the charity commission, which would, in turn,  make the full accounts freely available to download on it's website

In submitting abbreviated accounts, therefore,  the Fund is  not following best practice requirements for charities

Wrong again. I have done accounts for a charity.

Cite:

http://www.bdcvs.org.uk/documents/governance%20toolkit/charity%20reports%20%26%20accounts.pdf


"A charitable company must file its full accounts at the Charity
Commission even if it files abbreviated accounts at Companies
House (under the ësmall companyí rules)."

I will gladly accept your apology.
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: icabodcrane on May 29, 2013, 06:59:14 PM


There is nothing incoherent in Redblossom's post quoting from the Madeleine Fund's Articles of Association

The claim is made, in those Articles of Association, that the fund aspires to follow  "best practice policies and processes used by charities"   

The point was well made, and should be acknowledged


It is a typical Redblossom 'bait and switch'.

Originally she said:

"Irrelevant question, the POINT is the mccanns have garnered millions, they do not HAVE to say where any of it went in detail ie they are hiding it because they CHOSE NOT to DISCLOSE it as a charity might when they adtually said they WOULD be as trnsparent as a charity, they were not, ergo they LIED"

Then she posts the articles of association that were not written by the McCanns.

It does not prove her allegation that the McCanns lied.

Small charities need to disclose as little in their accounts as a private company limited by guarantee. Even if it were a charity, it could still have published abbreviated accounts. The suggestion that they would have been forced to declare more detail as a charity is a myth.

You are incorrect

If the Madeleine Fund were a registered charity  it would be obliged to submit full and detailed accounts to the charity commission, which would, in turn,  make the full accounts freely available to download on it's website

In submitting abbreviated accounts, therefore,  the Fund is  not following best practice requirements for charities

Wrong again. I have done accounts for a charity.

Cite:

http://www.bdcvs.org.uk/documents/governance%20toolkit/charity%20reports%20%26%20accounts.pdf


"A charitable company must file its full accounts at the Charity
Commission even if it files abbreviated accounts at Companies
House (under the ësmall companyí rules)."

I will gladly accept your apology.

Well exactly  ...  if the Fund was a charity then it would be compelled to prepare and submit  FULL accounts to the charity commission

You were wrong when you said abbreviated accounts are all that is  required from a charity

Even  if abbreviated accounts are filed at Companies House,  full and detailed accounts  still have to be submitted to the Charities commission  (  and subsequently freely available to the public )

The Fund does not meet that requirement, and does not, therefore, follow best practice requirements of a charity
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: debunker on May 29, 2013, 07:05:53 PM
I do wis you would read what I post rather than guess at what you think I posted. Look Aabove.

I said:

"Small charities need to disclose as little in their accounts as a private company limited by guarantee. Even if it were a charity, it could still have published abbreviated accounts. The suggestion that they would have been forced to declare more detail as a charity is a myth."

Public disclosure is not required for Charities or for Private Companies. The Charity commission does not publish full accounts for charities that are not required to do so.
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: ferryman on May 29, 2013, 07:10:19 PM
Cutting to the chase, the Madeleine Fund cannot be a charity because its remit is too narrow.

That is just an objective fact.
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: icabodcrane on May 29, 2013, 07:11:58 PM
I do wis you would read what I post rather than guess at what you think I posted. Look Aabove.

I said:

"Small charities need to disclose as little in their accounts as a private company limited by guarantee. Even if it were a charity, it could still have published abbreviated accounts. The suggestion that they would have been forced to declare more detail as a charity is a myth."

Public disclosure is not required for Charities or for Private Companies. The Charity commission does not publish full accounts for charities that are not required to do so.

And what charities are those ?  (  that are not required to publish full accounts by the Charities Commission ) 

Those with funding of under £25,000  ?

If the Madeleine Fund was a charity it would  HAVE  to submit full and detailed accounts to the Charities Commission

By only making abbreviated accounts available the Fund is not following the  best practice which would  be required if it were a charity
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: Carana on May 29, 2013, 07:12:11 PM
From what Redblossom quoted:

The directors regulate Madeleine's Fund and they aspire to follow best practice policies and processes used by charities. The directors have reviewed its operation against “Good Governance: A Code for the Voluntary and Community Sector”. This sets out best practice requirements for charities.

Here is the Good Governance document (Oct. 2010 edition):
http://www.ncvo-vol.org.uk/sites/default/files/Code_of_Governance_second_edition_v1.0_Final_Full_page_0.pdf

Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: ferryman on May 29, 2013, 07:14:18 PM
If the Madeleine Fund was a charity it would  HAVE  to submit full and detailed accounts to the Charities Commission

(see my post above)
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: debunker on May 29, 2013, 07:14:51 PM
I do wis you would read what I post rather than guess at what you think I posted. Look Aabove.

I said:

"Small charities need to disclose as little in their accounts as a private company limited by guarantee. Even if it were a charity, it could still have published abbreviated accounts. The suggestion that they would have been forced to declare more detail as a charity is a myth."

Public disclosure is not required for Charities or for Private Companies. The Charity commission does not publish full accounts for charities that are not required to do so.

And what charities are those ?  (  that are not required to publish full accounts by the Charities Commission ) 

Those with funding of under £25,000  ?

If the Madeleine Fund was a charity it would  HAVE  to submit full and detailed accounts to the Charities Commission

By only making abbreviated accounts available the Fund is not following the  best practice which would  be required if it were a charity

But it would not have to publish accounts for nosey parkers like you to investigate!
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: icabodcrane on May 29, 2013, 07:18:49 PM
I do wis you would read what I post rather than guess at what you think I posted. Look Aabove.

I said:

"Small charities need to disclose as little in their accounts as a private company limited by guarantee. Even if it were a charity, it could still have published abbreviated accounts. The suggestion that they would have been forced to declare more detail as a charity is a myth."

Public disclosure is not required for Charities or for Private Companies. The Charity commission does not publish full accounts for charities that are not required to do so.

And what charities are those ?  (  that are not required to publish full accounts by the Charities Commission ) 

Those with funding of under £25,000  ?

If the Madeleine Fund was a charity it would  HAVE  to submit full and detailed accounts to the Charities Commission

By only making abbreviated accounts available the Fund is not following the  best practice which would  be required if it were a charity

But it would not have to publish accounts for nosey parkers like you to investigate!

The full accounts would be available to download from the Charities Commission website for anyone  to 'investigate' 

That is the whole point  ...  openess and transparency
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: debunker on May 29, 2013, 07:24:16 PM
I do wis you would read what I post rather than guess at what you think I posted. Look Aabove.

I said:

"Small charities need to disclose as little in their accounts as a private company limited by guarantee. Even if it were a charity, it could still have published abbreviated accounts. The suggestion that they would have been forced to declare more detail as a charity is a myth."

Public disclosure is not required for Charities or for Private Companies. The Charity commission does not publish full accounts for charities that are not required to do so.

And what charities are those ?  (  that are not required to publish full accounts by the Charities Commission ) 

Those with funding of under £25,000  ?

If the Madeleine Fund was a charity it would  HAVE  to submit full and detailed accounts to the Charities Commission

By only making abbreviated accounts available the Fund is not following the  best practice which would  be required if it were a charity

But it would not have to publish accounts for nosey parkers like you to investigate!

The full accounts would be available to download from the Charities Commission website for anyone  to 'investigate' 

That is the whole point  ...  openess and transparency

No they would not. read the pdf.


Here is the set of accounts published for Hope for Heroes. It turned over £17million. It has only abbreviated accounts published- very similar to the heading in NSU accounts (I hate that abbreviation- to a nurse it stands for non-specific urethritis- willy rot.)
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: Carana on May 29, 2013, 07:28:38 PM
Cutting to the chase, the Madeleine Fund cannot be a charity because its remit is too narrow.

That is just an objective fact.


Quite. The purpose is to find a specific child.

What were they supposed to do to comply with the broader public benefit requirement? Propose calling it "Find All Missing Rothley Children Who Disappeared in Praia da Luz in 2007"?
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: Redblossom on May 29, 2013, 07:36:10 PM
Cutting to the chase, the Madeleine Fund cannot be a charity because its remit is too narrow.

That is just an objective fact.


Quite. The purpose is to find a specific child.

What were they supposed to do to comply with the broader public benefit requirement? Propose calling it "Find All Missing Rothley Children Who Disappeared in Praia da Luz in 2007"?

Did you READ Enid Odowds report? If you did you wouldnt be asking such a silly question. It seems their enquiries to be being able to be registered as a charity were lip service, they had decided to make it a limited company and only gave the charities commission one day to sort this out
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: Carana on May 29, 2013, 07:38:22 PM
In terms of the thread title, I wonder if anyone has a rough estimate of how much the media has made out of it?

There were some interesting articles on the subject, many of which I can't lay my hands on at the moment.
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: registrar on May 29, 2013, 07:39:29 PM
Just going by memory here

so happy to be shot down in flames

But didn't Team McCann apply for charity status for the fund

And Gordon Brown said no?
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: ferryman on May 29, 2013, 07:40:15 PM
Cutting to the chase, the Madeleine Fund cannot be a charity because its remit is too narrow.

That is just an objective fact.


Quite. The purpose is to find a specific child.

What were they supposed to do to comply with the broader public benefit requirement? Propose calling it "Find All Missing Rothley Children Who Disappeared in Praia da Luz in 2007"?

Did you READ Enid Odowds report? If you did you wouldnt be asking such a silly question. It seems their enquiries to be being able to be registered as a charity were lip service, they had decided to make it a limited company and only gave the charities commission one day to sort this out

I didn't ask any questions.

I stated an irrefutable fact.
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: Eleanor on May 29, 2013, 07:42:32 PM

Is anyone suggesting that The Inland Revenue are so thick that they have missed a fraud here?
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: Redblossom on May 29, 2013, 07:44:02 PM
Cutting to the chase, the Madeleine Fund cannot be a charity because its remit is too narrow.

That is just an objective fact.


Quite. The purpose is to find a specific child.

What were they supposed to do to comply with the broader public benefit requirement? Propose calling it "Find All Missing Rothley Children Who Disappeared in Praia da Luz in 2007"?

Did you READ Enid Odowds report? If you did you wouldnt be asking such a silly question. It seems their enquiries to be being able to be registered as a charity were lip service, they had decided to make it a limited company and only gave the charities commission one day to sort this out

I didn't ask any questions.

I stated an irrefutable fact.

but it is not an irrefutable fact seeing as the charities commission were willing to bend over backwards and accommodate the mccanns with a few changes, but they were in too much of a hurry, having already set the fund launch date for the media, they were not in any way interested in charity status were they?
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: Carana on May 29, 2013, 07:51:37 PM
Cutting to the chase, the Madeleine Fund cannot be a charity because its remit is too narrow.

That is just an objective fact.


Quite. The purpose is to find a specific child.

What were they supposed to do to comply with the broader public benefit requirement? Propose calling it "Find All Missing Rothley Children Who Disappeared in Praia da Luz in 2007"?

Did you READ Enid Odowds report? If you did you wouldnt be asking such a silly question. It seems their enquiries to be being able to be registered as a charity were lip service, they had decided to make it a limited company and only gave the charities commission one day to sort this out

Yes, I have read the bit in question. I would have liked to have read the documentation for myself.

And it is clear from the documentation that the Charity Commission officials were helpful, and that it was likely that charity status could have been obtained with only minor delay with a little compromise by the McCanns.


As it stands, I don't see what the "little compromise" relates to. And, yes, I did read the Charity Commission guidance documents at some point.

The Charities Act 2011 defines a charitable purpose, explicitly, as one that falls within the following list of thirteen descriptions of purposes and is for the public benefit

    The prevention or relief of poverty
    The advancement of education
    The advancement of religion
    The advancement of health or the saving of lives
    The advancement of citizenship or community development
    The advancement of the arts, culture, heritage or science
    The advancement of amateur sport
    The advancement of human rights, conflict resolution or reconciliation or the promotion of religious or racial harmony or equality and diversity
    The advancement of environmental protection or improvement
    The relief of those in need, by reason of youth, age, ill-health, disability, financial hardship or other disadvantage
    The advancement of animal welfare
    The promotion of the efficiency of the armed forces of the Crown, or of the efficiency of the police, fire and rescue services or ambulance services
    Any other purposes currently recognised as charitable and any new charitable purposes which are similar to another charitable purpose

- See more at: http://www.charitycommission.gov.uk/detailed-guidance/charitable-purposes-and-public-benefit/guidance-on-charitable-purposes/#sthash.TR5Qpn6T.dpuf


Which category would the search for Madeleine have come under?
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: registrar on May 29, 2013, 07:54:34 PM
Guess this one

The advancement of health or the saving of lives
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: ferryman on May 29, 2013, 07:54:54 PM
Cutting to the chase, the Madeleine Fund cannot be a charity because its remit is too narrow.

That is just an objective fact.


Quite. The purpose is to find a specific child.

What were they supposed to do to comply with the broader public benefit requirement? Propose calling it "Find All Missing Rothley Children Who Disappeared in Praia da Luz in 2007"?

Did you READ Enid Odowds report? If you did you wouldnt be asking such a silly question. It seems their enquiries to be being able to be registered as a charity were lip service, they had decided to make it a limited company and only gave the charities commission one day to sort this out

I didn't ask any questions.

I stated an irrefutable fact.

but it is not an irrefutable fact seeing as the charities commission were willing to bend over backwards and accommodate the mccanns with a few changes, but they were in too much of a hurry, having already set the fund launch date for the media, they were not in any way interested in charity status were they?

http://www.charitycommission.gov.uk/start-up-a-charity/setting-up-a-charity/about-charities/

Very first sentence:

Charities exist to benefit the public, not specific individuals.

Does Enid O'dowd deny that fact?
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: Redblossom on May 29, 2013, 07:59:47 PM
Carana  and ferryman both ignoring the fact that they COULD have got charity status ho hum
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: debunker on May 29, 2013, 07:59:56 PM
Cutting to the chase, the Madeleine Fund cannot be a charity because its remit is too narrow.

That is just an objective fact.


Quite. The purpose is to find a specific child.

What were they supposed to do to comply with the broader public benefit requirement? Propose calling it "Find All Missing Rothley Children Who Disappeared in Praia da Luz in 2007"?

Did you READ Enid Odowds report? If you did you wouldnt be asking such a silly question. It seems their enquiries to be being able to be registered as a charity were lip service, they had decided to make it a limited company and only gave the charities commission one day to sort this out

Cite from a reliable source please.
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: Carana on May 29, 2013, 08:00:33 PM
Charities exist to benefit the public, not specific individuals.
 - See more at: http://www.charitycommission.gov.uk/start-up-a-charity/setting-up-a-charity/about-charities/#sthash.DIcaOA9Y.dpuf
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: debunker on May 29, 2013, 08:00:52 PM
Cutting to the chase, the Madeleine Fund cannot be a charity because its remit is too narrow.

That is just an objective fact.


Quite. The purpose is to find a specific child.

What were they supposed to do to comply with the broader public benefit requirement? Propose calling it "Find All Missing Rothley Children Who Disappeared in Praia da Luz in 2007"?

Did you READ Enid Odowds report? If you did you wouldnt be asking such a silly question. It seems their enquiries to be being able to be registered as a charity were lip service, they had decided to make it a limited company and only gave the charities commission one day to sort this out

I didn't ask any questions.

I stated an irrefutable fact.

but it is not an irrefutable fact seeing as the charities commission were willing to bend over backwards and accommodate the mccanns with a few changes, but they were in too much of a hurry, having already set the fund launch date for the media, they were not in any way interested in charity status were they?

Cite from a reliable source please.
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: debunker on May 29, 2013, 08:01:43 PM
Carana  and ferryman both ignoring the fact that they COULD have got charity status ho hum

Cite from a reliable source please.
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: ferryman on May 29, 2013, 08:02:04 PM
Carana  and ferryman both ignoring the fact that they COULD have got charity status ho hum

We appear to be heeding what the Charity Commission says and ignoring what you say.

Very remiss of us, I'm sure ...
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: registrar on May 29, 2013, 08:02:55 PM
Cutting to the chase, the Madeleine Fund cannot be a charity because its remit is too narrow.

That is just an objective fact.


Quite. The purpose is to find a specific child.

What were they supposed to do to comply with the broader public benefit requirement? Propose calling it "Find All Missing Rothley Children Who Disappeared in Praia da Luz in 2007"?

Did you READ Enid Odowds report? If you did you wouldnt be asking such a silly question. It seems their enquiries to be being able to be registered as a charity were lip service, they had decided to make it a limited company and only gave the charities commission one day to sort this out

I didn't ask any questions.

I stated an irrefutable fact.

but it is not an irrefutable fact seeing as the charities commission were willing to bend over backwards and accommodate the mccanns with a few changes, but they were in too much of a hurry, having already set the fund launch date for the media, they were not in any way interested in charity status were they?

http://www.charitycommission.gov.uk/start-up-a-charity/setting-up-a-charity/about-charities/

Very first sentence:

Charities exist to benefit the public, not specific individuals.

Does Enid O'dowd deny that fact?

Genuine question

Help for heroes is a charity - is it not?

So if rifleman A. Smith (an individual) gets his legs blown off in that useless war in Afghanistan

He will not get any help from said charity - as he is an individual - rather than the 'public'?

Please illucidate
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: Carana on May 29, 2013, 08:03:51 PM
Guess this one

The advancement of health or the saving of lives

Not to save a specific child's life, as far as I can work out.

http://www.charitycommission.gov.uk/detailed-guidance/charitable-purposes-and-public-benefit/guidance-on-charitable-purposes/the-advancement-of-health-or-the-saving-of-lives/
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: debunker on May 29, 2013, 08:04:02 PM
Cutting to the chase, the Madeleine Fund cannot be a charity because its remit is too narrow.

That is just an objective fact.


Quite. The purpose is to find a specific child.

What were they supposed to do to comply with the broader public benefit requirement? Propose calling it "Find All Missing Rothley Children Who Disappeared in Praia da Luz in 2007"?

Did you READ Enid Odowds report? If you did you wouldnt be asking such a silly question. It seems their enquiries to be being able to be registered as a charity were lip service, they had decided to make it a limited company and only gave the charities commission one day to sort this out

I didn't ask any questions.

I stated an irrefutable fact.

but it is not an irrefutable fact seeing as the charities commission were willing to bend over backwards and accommodate the mccanns with a few changes, but they were in too much of a hurry, having already set the fund launch date for the media, they were not in any way interested in charity status were they?

http://www.charitycommission.gov.uk/start-up-a-charity/setting-up-a-charity/about-charities/

Very first sentence:

Charities exist to benefit the public, not specific individuals.

Does Enid O'dowd deny that fact?

Genuine question

Help for heroes is a charity - is it not?

So if rifleman A. Smith (an individual) gets his legs blown off in that useless war in Afghanistan

He will not get any help from said charity - as he is an individual - rather than the 'public'?

Please illucidate

Charities may benefit individuals as part of groups (Find All Missing Children) but not just aimed at one child (NSU).
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: registrar on May 29, 2013, 08:07:58 PM
Cutting to the chase, the Madeleine Fund cannot be a charity because its remit is too narrow.

That is just an objective fact.


Quite. The purpose is to find a specific child.

What were they supposed to do to comply with the broader public benefit requirement? Propose calling it "Find All Missing Rothley Children Who Disappeared in Praia da Luz in 2007"?

Did you READ Enid Odowds report? If you did you wouldnt be asking such a silly question. It seems their enquiries to be being able to be registered as a charity were lip service, they had decided to make it a limited company and only gave the charities commission one day to sort this out

I didn't ask any questions.

I stated an irrefutable fact.

but it is not an irrefutable fact seeing as the charities commission were willing to bend over backwards and accommodate the mccanns with a few changes, but they were in too much of a hurry, having already set the fund launch date for the media, they were not in any way interested in charity status were they?

http://www.charitycommission.gov.uk/start-up-a-charity/setting-up-a-charity/about-charities/

Very first sentence:

Charities exist to benefit the public, not specific individuals.

Does Enid O'dowd deny that fact?

Genuine question

Help for heroes is a charity - is it not?

So if rifleman A. Smith (an individual) gets his legs blown off in that useless war in Afghanistan

He will not get any help from said charity - as he is an individual - rather than the 'public'?

Please illucidate

Charities may benefit individuals as part of groups (Find All Missing Children) but not just aimed at one child (NSU).

ok that makes sense - thanks
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: ferryman on May 29, 2013, 08:09:39 PM
Charities may benefit individuals as part of groups (Find All Missing Children) but not just aimed at one child (NSU).
[/quote]

Yes.

That is where Galloway's Marianne appeal went wrong. 

The remit was wider than just Marianne and therefore it ought to have been set up as a charity.
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: Carana on May 29, 2013, 08:14:37 PM
Cutting to the chase, the Madeleine Fund cannot be a charity because its remit is too narrow.

That is just an objective fact.


Quite. The purpose is to find a specific child.

What were they supposed to do to comply with the broader public benefit requirement? Propose calling it "Find All Missing Rothley Children Who Disappeared in Praia da Luz in 2007"?

Did you READ Enid Odowds report? If you did you wouldnt be asking such a silly question. It seems their enquiries to be being able to be registered as a charity were lip service, they had decided to make it a limited company and only gave the charities commission one day to sort this out

I didn't ask any questions.

I stated an irrefutable fact.

but it is not an irrefutable fact seeing as the charities commission were willing to bend over backwards and accommodate the mccanns with a few changes, but they were in too much of a hurry, having already set the fund launch date for the media, they were not in any way interested in charity status were they?

http://www.charitycommission.gov.uk/start-up-a-charity/setting-up-a-charity/about-charities/

Very first sentence:

Charities exist to benefit the public, not specific individuals.

Does Enid O'dowd deny that fact?

Genuine question

Help for heroes is a charity - is it not?

So if rifleman A. Smith (an individual) gets his legs blown off in that useless war in Afghanistan

He will not get any help from said charity - as he is an individual - rather than the 'public'?

Please illucidate

Help for Heroes exists to help people in such situations - it wasn't (and couldn't have been) set up as a charity to solely assist A Smith and his / her family in assisting that individual.
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: Redblossom on May 29, 2013, 08:15:23 PM
Carana  and ferryman both ignoring the fact that they COULD have got charity status ho hum

Cite from a reliable source please.

Enid Odowds article, its all about info from the charity commision under FOI requests,  pretty reliable I would say! Unless yu want to accuse her of lying on what they said! Desperate at best.
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: debunker on May 29, 2013, 08:15:45 PM
Carana  and ferryman both ignoring the fact that they COULD have got charity status ho hum

Cite from a reliable source please.

Enid Odowds article, its all about info from the charity commision under FOI requests,  pretty reliable I would say! Unless yu want to accuse her of lying on what they said! Desperate at best.

Cite please.
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: Redblossom on May 29, 2013, 08:17:12 PM
Carana  and ferryman both ignoring the fact that they COULD have got charity status ho hum

Cite from a reliable source please.

Enid Odowds article, its all about info from the charity commision under FOI requests,  pretty reliable I would say! Unless yu want to accuse her of lying on what they said! Desperate at best.

Cite please.

EMAIL HER!
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Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: ferryman on May 29, 2013, 08:18:43 PM
Carana  and ferryman both ignoring the fact that they COULD have got charity status ho hum

Cite from a reliable source please.

Enid Odowds article, its all about info from the charity commision under FOI requests,  pretty reliable I would say! Unless yu want to accuse her of lying on what they said! Desperate at best.

The question at issue is whether Enid O'dowd got it wrong or whether you haven't read what she said correctly ...
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: Eleanor on May 29, 2013, 08:20:31 PM

So The McCanns could have saved themselves a few bob in Taxes?  My goodness me.  I wonder why they didn't do that?
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: Redblossom on May 29, 2013, 08:20:47 PM
Carana  and ferryman both ignoring the fact that they COULD have got charity status ho hum

Cite from a reliable source please.

Enid Odowds article, its all about info from the charity commision under FOI requests,  pretty reliable I would say! Unless yu want to accuse her of lying on what they said! Desperate at best.

The question at issue is whether Enid O'dowd got it wrong or whether you haven't read what she said correctly ...

only in YOUR IMAGINATION
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: ferryman on May 29, 2013, 08:22:30 PM
Carana  and ferryman both ignoring the fact that they COULD have got charity status ho hum

Cite from a reliable source please.

Enid Odowds article, its all about info from the charity commision under FOI requests,  pretty reliable I would say! Unless yu want to accuse her of lying on what they said! Desperate at best.

The question at issue is whether Enid O'dowd got it wrong or whether you haven't read what she said correctly ...

only in YOUR IMAGINATION

Produce the relevant cite from O'Dowd's report and we'll see how it compares with what the Charities Commission says ...
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: debunker on May 29, 2013, 08:22:48 PM
Carana  and ferryman both ignoring the fact that they COULD have got charity status ho hum

Cite from a reliable source please.

Enid Odowds article, its all about info from the charity commision under FOI requests,  pretty reliable I would say! Unless yu want to accuse her of lying on what they said! Desperate at best.

Cite please.

EMAIL HER!
 @)(++(*



Your allegation, your responsibility to provide a cite.
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: Redblossom on May 29, 2013, 08:23:47 PM
Carana  and ferryman both ignoring the fact that they COULD have got charity status ho hum

Cite from a reliable source please.

Enid Odowds article, its all about info from the charity commision under FOI requests,  pretty reliable I would say! Unless yu want to accuse her of lying on what they said! Desperate at best.

The question at issue is whether Enid O'dowd got it wrong or whether you haven't read what she said correctly ...

only in YOUR IMAGINATION

Produce the relevant cite from O'Dowd's report and we'll see how it compares with what the Charities Commission says ...

Do your own donkey work ferryman for once, if its not too much trouble that is
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: Redblossom on May 29, 2013, 08:24:46 PM
Carana  and ferryman both ignoring the fact that they COULD have got charity status ho hum

Cite from a reliable source please.

Enid Odowds article, its all about info from the charity commision under FOI requests,  pretty reliable I would say! Unless yu want to accuse her of lying on what they said! Desperate at best.

Cite please.

EMAIL HER!
 @)(++(*



Your allegation, your responsibility to provide a cite.

Cites been given, take it up and do your own donkey work
 8((()*/

Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: Carana on May 29, 2013, 08:27:43 PM
Carana  and ferryman both ignoring the fact that they COULD have got charity status ho hum


How?

Parents of deceased children sometimes set up a charity to benefit other families in memory of their child.

The McCann's situation was a legal structure to handle the donations to help find Madeleine.

That legal status can be changed once Madeleine has been found and whoever took her has been brought to justice.

Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: debunker on May 29, 2013, 08:28:23 PM
Posters who post factoids without cites are often just hiding the fact that they have no support for their argument.
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: ferryman on May 29, 2013, 08:29:07 PM
Do your own donkey work ferryman for once, if its not too much trouble that is

I've done my donkey work and I'm certainly not doing yours as well.

You've made the claim.

You provide the evidence to back it up.
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: Redblossom on May 29, 2013, 08:36:11 PM
Do your own donkey work ferryman for once, if its not too much trouble that is

I've done my donkey work and I'm certainly not doing yours as well.

You've made the claim.

You provide the evidence to back it up.

its all there, do READ, Im sure you have the capability to, look out for keywords like *charity* nite luv
 8((()*/



http://www.mccannfiles.com/id405.html
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: Mrs. B on May 29, 2013, 08:46:30 PM
What part of this is unclear?

http://www.charitycommission.gov.uk/start-up-a-charity/setting-up-a-charity/about-charities/

Charities exist to benefit the public, not specific individuals.

That IS the Charity Commission, i.e. those people who decide what can be a charity or not.
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: Carana on May 29, 2013, 08:50:11 PM
Do your own donkey work ferryman for once, if its not too much trouble that is

I've done my donkey work and I'm certainly not doing yours as well.

You've made the claim.

You provide the evidence to back it up.

its all there, do READ, Im sure you have the capability to, look out for keywords like *charity* nite luv
 8((()*/



http://www.mccannfiles.com/id405.html


She doesn't say what this "little compromise" was.

If she had quoted the correspondence that she had obtained under FOI, it might be clearer. As it stands, it seems to be her (mis)interpretation.

Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: Carana on May 29, 2013, 09:04:22 PM
What part of this is unclear?

http://www.charitycommission.gov.uk/start-up-a-charity/setting-up-a-charity/about-charities/

Charities exist to benefit the public, not specific individuals.

That IS the Charity Commission, i.e. those people who decide what can be a charity or not.

A bit odd for someone who claims to have performed a forensic examination...
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: icabodcrane on May 29, 2013, 09:18:10 PM



but it is not an irrefutable fact seeing as the charities commission were willing to bend over backwards and accommodate the mccanns with a few changes, but they were in too much of a hurry, having already set the fund launch date for the media, they were not in any way interested in charity status were they?

I think you are probably right, and that the McCanns were never really interested in making the Fund a charity

I am reminded of Kate's uncle, Brian Kennedy, stating  clearly, quite early on, that the Fund would primarily be used to cover legal fees

If that was the true intention then charitable status was out of the question from the start
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: Mrs. B on May 29, 2013, 09:21:06 PM
Regardless of what you may "think" were the intentions of the McCann family, the option of a charity benefiting only one individual is not there. Not for them, not for you, not for anyone. This is not difficult to understand.
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: Eleanor on May 29, 2013, 09:25:35 PM
Regardless of what you may "think" were the intentions of the McCann family, the option of a charity benefiting only one individual is not there. Not for them, not for you, not for anyone. This is not difficult to understand.


Seemingly it is for some.  Although most of us have known why for a very long time.

IT IS NOT POSSIBLE FOR A CHARITY TO BENEFIT JUST ONE PERSON.
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: Benice on May 29, 2013, 09:30:10 PM



but it is not an irrefutable fact seeing as the charities commission were willing to bend over backwards and accommodate the mccanns with a few changes, but they were in too much of a hurry, having already set the fund launch date for the media, they were not in any way interested in charity status were they?

I think you are probably right, and that the McCanns were never really interested in making the Fund a charity

I am reminded of Kate's uncle, Brian Kennedy, stating  clearly, quite early on, that the Fund would primarily be used to cover legal fees

If that was the true intention then charitable status was out of the question from the start

IIRC  the legal fees for setting up the Fund were huge.   Brian Kennedy spoke about 2 weeks after Madeleine had been abducted and had no way of knowing what was going to happen in the future, so he was talking about current issues IMO.   

Didn't benefactors come forward and offer to cover legal fees - further down the line?
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: Carana on May 29, 2013, 09:33:40 PM



but it is not an irrefutable fact seeing as the charities commission were willing to bend over backwards and accommodate the mccanns with a few changes, but they were in too much of a hurry, having already set the fund launch date for the media, they were not in any way interested in charity status were they?

I think you are probably right, and that the McCanns were never really interested in making the Fund a charity

I am reminded of Kate's uncle, Brian Kennedy, stating  clearly, quite early on, that the Fund would primarily be used to cover legal fees

If that was the true intention then charitable status was out of the question from the start

I'm not sure about that.

In context, everyone was running around trying to get some kind of structure set up as fast as possible.

Imagine the chaos: you're not calmly setting up a business or charity after a mature reflection process, you're in a panic, listening to everyone and no one at the same time, wondering what the hell you should be doing. Misunderstandings are likely.

According to Enid O'Dowd:

In the context of the financial help that was then being offered, Kate says the IFLG paralegal advised them to set up a 'fighting fund'. The IFLG would devise the objectives of the fund and instruct a leading charity law firm Bates Wells Braithwaite (BWB) to draw up Articles of Association.

Was BWB fully aware of the entire situation at the time, or did they simply fill in a standard application form based on a half-understood instruction?

Looking into the possibility of charity status may have been worth examining, but it wouldn't have been viable in those circumstances.

Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: icabodcrane on May 29, 2013, 09:34:14 PM



but it is not an irrefutable fact seeing as the charities commission were willing to bend over backwards and accommodate the mccanns with a few changes, but they were in too much of a hurry, having already set the fund launch date for the media, they were not in any way interested in charity status were they?

I think you are probably right, and that the McCanns were never really interested in making the Fund a charity

I am reminded of Kate's uncle, Brian Kennedy, stating  clearly, quite early on, that the Fund would primarily be used to cover legal fees

If that was the true intention then charitable status was out of the question from the start

IIRC  the legal fees for setting up the Fund were huge.   Brian Kennedy spoke about 2 weeks after Madeleine had been abducted and had no way of knowing what was going to happen in the future, so he was talking about current issues IMO.   

Didn't benefactors come forward and offer to cover legal fees - further down the line?

Setting up a limited company costs a few hundred pounds 

I don't think that is what Brian Kennedy was talking about at all
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: Benice on May 29, 2013, 09:37:31 PM



but it is not an irrefutable fact seeing as the charities commission were willing to bend over backwards and accommodate the mccanns with a few changes, but they were in too much of a hurry, having already set the fund launch date for the media, they were not in any way interested in charity status were they?

I think you are probably right, and that the McCanns were never really interested in making the Fund a charity

I am reminded of Kate's uncle, Brian Kennedy, stating  clearly, quite early on, that the Fund would primarily be used to cover legal fees

If that was the true intention then charitable status was out of the question from the start

I'm not sure about that.

In context, everyone was running around trying to get some kind of structure set up as fast as possible.

Imagine the chaos: you're not calmly setting up a business or charity after a mature reflection process, you're in a panic, listening to everyone and no one at the same time, wondering what the hell you should be doing. Misunderstandings are likely.

According to Enid O'Dowd:

In the context of the financial help that was then being offered, Kate says the IFLG paralegal advised them to set up a 'fighting fund'. The IFLG would devise the objectives of the fund and instruct a leading charity law firm Bates Wells Braithwaite (BWB) to draw up Articles of Association.

Was BWB fully aware of the entire situation at the time, or did they simply fill in a standard application form based on a half-understood instruction?

Looking into the possibility of charity status may have been worth examining, but it wouldn't have been viable in those circumstances.


I don't think Kate and Gerry would have had much to do with the setting up of the fund - they would leave it to the experts as they had other things on their minds at the time. imo.

Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: DCI on May 29, 2013, 09:39:30 PM
Quote
So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?

Goncalo Amaral, - with books, interviews, etc. He wanted 80,000 Euros off Sky to do an interview.

Paulo Cristoavo - wrote book, about Madeleine early 2008. Also wrote book about Joanna.

Bennett - selling his lies.

Pat Brown - ditto
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: Carana on May 29, 2013, 09:40:55 PM



but it is not an irrefutable fact seeing as the charities commission were willing to bend over backwards and accommodate the mccanns with a few changes, but they were in too much of a hurry, having already set the fund launch date for the media, they were not in any way interested in charity status were they?

I think you are probably right, and that the McCanns were never really interested in making the Fund a charity

I am reminded of Kate's uncle, Brian Kennedy, stating  clearly, quite early on, that the Fund would primarily be used to cover legal fees

If that was the true intention then charitable status was out of the question from the start

I'm not sure about that.

In context, everyone was running around trying to get some kind of structure set up as fast as possible.

Imagine the chaos: you're not calmly setting up a business or charity after a mature reflection process, you're in a panic, listening to everyone and no one at the same time, wondering what the hell you should be doing. Misunderstandings are likely.

According to Enid O'Dowd:

In the context of the financial help that was then being offered, Kate says the IFLG paralegal advised them to set up a 'fighting fund'. The IFLG would devise the objectives of the fund and instruct a leading charity law firm Bates Wells Braithwaite (BWB) to draw up Articles of Association.

Was BWB fully aware of the entire situation at the time, or did they simply fill in a standard application form based on a half-understood instruction?

Looking into the possibility of charity status may have been worth examining, but it wouldn't have been viable in those circumstances.


I don't think Kate and Gerry would have had much to do with the setting up of the fund - they would leave it to the experts as they had other things on their minds at the time. imo.

Yes, there were no doubt other intermediaries - all opportunities for misunderstandings.
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: DCI on May 29, 2013, 09:49:31 PM
Quote
So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?

Goncalo Amaral, - with books, interviews, etc. He wanted 80,000 Euros off Sky to do an interview.

Paulo Cristoavo - wrote book, about Madeleine early 2008. Also wrote book about Joanna.

Bennett - selling his lies.

Pat Brown - ditto
Stevo has a book for sale too which is full of the most shocking lies.

Cheers Martha, but I only use Andrex  @)(++(*
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: ferryman on May 29, 2013, 09:50:29 PM
Has anyone ever checked that O'Dowd wrote that article?

To me, it has all the sophistry of Moore.

But it does appear to assert the falsehood that the fund could have been a charity:

(sic)

In Chapter 9 in which Kate describes her activities of May 14 she does not mention any dealings with BWB who must have worked very hard that day. Nor does she mention dealing with the paralegal or anyone else at IFLG. There must have been urgent emails and phone calls that day from her advisors. She just states that charity status would not be forthcoming as it was deemed that the 'public benefit' test would not be met, and adds that it (the Fund) 'was set up with great care and due diligence by experts in their field.'
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: DCI on May 29, 2013, 09:53:59 PM
Has anyone ever checked that O'Dowd wrote that article?

To me, it has all the sophistry of Moore.

But it does appear to assert the falsehood that the fund could have been a charity:

(sic)

In Chapter 9 in which Kate describes her activities of May 14 she does not mention any dealings with BWB who must have worked very hard that day. Nor does she mention dealing with the paralegal or anyone else at IFLG. There must have been urgent emails and phone calls that day from her advisors. She just states that charity status would not be forthcoming as it was deemed that the 'public benefit' test would not be met, and adds that it (the Fund) 'was set up with great care and due diligence by experts in their field.'


Nor ever met any of the named people, I bet.

Have you seen her in action?

Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: ferryman on May 29, 2013, 10:04:12 PM
Of course ms odowd is the next person on ferrymans and others list as frauds crooksters liars and people with hard of hearing and bad memories lol, the list is getting soooooo long, almost as long as the tabloids list of suspects on this cade, which mustbe over 200 by now
 @)(++(*

There are 3 possibilities

1.  Law in the Irish Republic governing charitable status is different from law in England and O'dowd got the (disparate) legislations mixed up.

2. Ms O'dowd just got it plain wrong

3. Ms O'Dowd didn't write the article

Which?
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: Redblossom on May 29, 2013, 10:07:15 PM
Of course ms odowd is the next person on ferrymans and others list as frauds crooksters liars and people with hard of hearing and bad memories lol, the list is getting soooooo long, almost as long as the tabloids list of suspects on this cade, which mustbe over 200 by now
 @)(++(*

There are 3 possibilities

1.  Law in the Irish Republic governing charitable status is different from law in England and O'dowd got the (disparate) legislations mixed up.

2. Ms O'dowd just got it plain wrong

3. Ms O'Dowd didn't write the article

Which?

4. You are in denial, oops a daisy
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: ferryman on May 29, 2013, 10:09:25 PM
Seems the Charity Commission is, too.

They say the same as me ...
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: Redblossom on May 29, 2013, 10:10:52 PM
Seems the Charity Commission is, too.

They say the same as me ...

You are wrong as always, oh well, dont worry about it dear
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: Carana on May 29, 2013, 10:16:38 PM
@Redblossom

What was the "little compromise" about?
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: Mrs. B on May 29, 2013, 10:19:05 PM
Seems the Charity Commission is, too.

They say the same as me ...

Yes, but they may by just as delusional as Scotland Yard apparently is.
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: muratfan on May 29, 2013, 10:20:19 PM

You are incorrect

If the Madeleine Fund were a registered charity  it would be obliged to submit full and detailed accounts to the charity commission, which would, in turn,  make the full accounts freely available to download on it's website

In submitting abbreviated accounts, therefore,  the Fund is  not following best practice requirements for charities

But the fund is not a bleeding charity. You cannot set a charity up for one person, hence it had to be a limited fund. All the tax returns and everything else submitted on time, and in accordance with the law
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: gilet on May 30, 2013, 01:20:07 AM
As far as I can see the fund conforms with every single law required of it. It discloses everything that is necessary.

Why should they waste time and money to satisfy the nosey parkers (anti [ censored word ]s) who think the managers of the charity should be at their beck and call?

When anyone points out a single illegal or immoral action by the fund then I will start to look into it. But no-one has ever shown a single such illegal or immoral action by the fund.

Of course there are a few other funds which have been set up related to the McCann case. Bennett has set up at least one, and there is one on behalf of Amaral I believe. None of these are in any way open to any form of legal or financial scrutiny. I feel that is quite disgraceful and I further believe that anyone who demands further exposition of the Madeleine Fund accounts which are already fully in conformity with all legal requirements and are financially scrutinised annually, is simply a rank hypocrite. When they demand scrutiny of all accounts and not just the one belonging to the McCanns then they might be worth my attention. Till then I look down on them as hypocrites.

Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: Carana on May 30, 2013, 01:10:47 PM
Pages and pages have been devoted to the Fund aspect.

Yet surely the subject of this thread is broader than that?

What about the media in general? TV and press?

Journalists?

Wannabe journos via various blogs?

People who may have sold their latest sighting or suspicion to the media?

Those who may have been handed a comfortable sum for turning on the fan on a paper-strewn desk in front of an open window (virtually or not)?

Authors and their publishers?

Guest "experts" on a steady stream of TV chat shows?




Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: Mrs. B on May 30, 2013, 01:53:16 PM
Putting it that way, the list is almost endless....
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: Eleanor on May 30, 2013, 03:58:43 PM

Have any Pros actually made any money out of  Madeleine?
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: icabodcrane on May 30, 2013, 04:04:39 PM
As far as I can see the fund conforms with every single law required of it. It discloses everything that is necessary.

Why should they waste time and money to satisfy the nosey parkers (anti [ censored word ]s) who think the managers of the charity should be at their beck and call?

When anyone points out a single illegal or immoral action by the fund then I will start to look into it. But no-one has ever shown a single such illegal or immoral action by the fund.

Of course there are a few other funds which have been set up related to the McCann case. Bennett has set up at least one, and there is one on behalf of Amaral I believe. None of these are in any way open to any form of legal or financial scrutiny. I feel that is quite disgraceful and I further believe that anyone who demands further exposition of the Madeleine Fund accounts which are already fully in conformity with all legal requirements and are financially scrutinised annually, is simply a rank hypocrite. When they demand scrutiny of all accounts and not just the one belonging to the McCanns then they might be worth my attention. Till then I look down on them as hypocrites.

The Fund is promoted by the McCanns on their website with the claim  that it ensures  the  "highest standards of transparency and accountability"

The Fund ( and the McCanns )  have the opportunity to justify that claim by presenting full and detailed accounts   

They don't legally  have  to file full accounts, of course,   but if they are going to claim highest standards of transparecy then they really  should be filing full accounts

Why wouldn't they, afterall  ?  ...  why wouldn't they take the opportunity to be seen  to be open and transparent where the Fund is concerned ?
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: DCI on May 30, 2013, 04:06:03 PM

Have any Pros actually made any money out of  Madeleine?


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I don't believe so, Eleanor! 

Unless our wages count, we are always being accused of being paid, aren't we?  8(>((
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: Eleanor on May 30, 2013, 04:22:13 PM

Have any Pros actually made any money out of  Madeleine?


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I don't believe so, Eleanor! 

Unless our wages count, we are always being accused of being paid, aren't we?  8(>((


So, apart from us and our Villas in Portugal, no one else then?  Thought not.

Apart from that and by the by, has The Inland Revenue lodged a complaint against The Fund?
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: DCI on May 30, 2013, 04:26:28 PM

Have any Pros actually made any money out of  Madeleine?


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I don't believe so, Eleanor! 

Unless our wages count, we are always being accused of being paid, aren't we?  8(>((


So, apart from us and our Villas in Portugal, no one else then?  Thought not.

Apart from that and by the by, has The Inland Revenue lodged a complaint against The Fund?

Don't think so  8(0(*
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: debunker on May 30, 2013, 04:50:58 PM
As far as I can see the fund conforms with every single law required of it. It discloses everything that is necessary.

Why should they waste time and money to satisfy the nosey parkers (anti [ censored word ]s) who think the managers of the charity should be at their beck and call?

When anyone points out a single illegal or immoral action by the fund then I will start to look into it. But no-one has ever shown a single such illegal or immoral action by the fund.

Of course there are a few other funds which have been set up related to the McCann case. Bennett has set up at least one, and there is one on behalf of Amaral I believe. None of these are in any way open to any form of legal or financial scrutiny. I feel that is quite disgraceful and I further believe that anyone who demands further exposition of the Madeleine Fund accounts which are already fully in conformity with all legal requirements and are financially scrutinised annually, is simply a rank hypocrite. When they demand scrutiny of all accounts and not just the one belonging to the McCanns then they might be worth my attention. Till then I look down on them as hypocrites.

The Fund is promoted by the McCanns on their website with the claim  that it ensures  the  "highest standards of transparency and accountability"

The Fund ( and the McCanns )  have the opportunity to justify that claim by presenting full and detailed accounts   

They don't legally  have  to file full accounts, of course,   but if they are going to claim highest standards of transparecy then they really  should be filing full accounts

Why wouldn't they, afterall  ?  ...  why wouldn't they take the opportunity to be seen  to be open and transparent where the Fund is concerned ?

Because hounders on the internet would do to the accounts what they did to the first set of more detailed accounts- build myths, lies and distortions.

No wonder they went to abbreviated reports after the shitstorm that followed the first set.
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: Eleanor on May 30, 2013, 04:58:27 PM

Have any Pros actually made any money out of  Madeleine?


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I don't believe so, Eleanor! 

Unless our wages count, we are always being accused of being paid, aren't we?  8(>((


So, apart from us and our Villas in Portugal, no one else then?  Thought not.

Apart from that and by the by, has The Inland Revenue lodged a complaint against The Fund?

Don't think so  8(0(*

Thought not.

Not much else to say, is there.
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: icabodcrane on May 30, 2013, 04:59:52 PM
As far as I can see the fund conforms with every single law required of it. It discloses everything that is necessary.

Why should they waste time and money to satisfy the nosey parkers (anti [ censored word ]s) who think the managers of the charity should be at their beck and call?

When anyone points out a single illegal or immoral action by the fund then I will start to look into it. But no-one has ever shown a single such illegal or immoral action by the fund.

Of course there are a few other funds which have been set up related to the McCann case. Bennett has set up at least one, and there is one on behalf of Amaral I believe. None of these are in any way open to any form of legal or financial scrutiny. I feel that is quite disgraceful and I further believe that anyone who demands further exposition of the Madeleine Fund accounts which are already fully in conformity with all legal requirements and are financially scrutinised annually, is simply a rank hypocrite. When they demand scrutiny of all accounts and not just the one belonging to the McCanns then they might be worth my attention. Till then I look down on them as hypocrites.

The Fund is promoted by the McCanns on their website with the claim  that it ensures  the  "highest standards of transparency and accountability"

The Fund ( and the McCanns )  have the opportunity to justify that claim by presenting full and detailed accounts   

They don't legally  have  to file full accounts, of course,   but if they are going to claim highest standards of transparecy then they really  should be filing full accounts

Why wouldn't they, afterall  ?  ...  why wouldn't they take the opportunity to be seen  to be open and transparent where the Fund is concerned ?

Because hounders on the internet would do to the accounts what they did to the first set of more detailed accounts- build myths, lies and distortions.

No wonder they went to abbreviated reports after the shitstorm that followed the first set.

That is hardly a credible excuse for giving as little information as legally allowed

If the McCanns  ( the Fund )  choose to take advantage of the legal right to present abbreviated, non detailed financial information then they really should stop claiming they ensure the highest standards of transparency and accountability
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: Eleanor on May 30, 2013, 05:05:11 PM
As far as I can see the fund conforms with every single law required of it. It discloses everything that is necessary.

Why should they waste time and money to satisfy the nosey parkers (anti [ censored word ]s) who think the managers of the charity should be at their beck and call?

When anyone points out a single illegal or immoral action by the fund then I will start to look into it. But no-one has ever shown a single such illegal or immoral action by the fund.

Of course there are a few other funds which have been set up related to the McCann case. Bennett has set up at least one, and there is one on behalf of Amaral I believe. None of these are in any way open to any form of legal or financial scrutiny. I feel that is quite disgraceful and I further believe that anyone who demands further exposition of the Madeleine Fund accounts which are already fully in conformity with all legal requirements and are financially scrutinised annually, is simply a rank hypocrite. When they demand scrutiny of all accounts and not just the one belonging to the McCanns then they might be worth my attention. Till then I look down on them as hypocrites.

The Fund is promoted by the McCanns on their website with the claim  that it ensures  the  "highest standards of transparency and accountability"

The Fund ( and the McCanns )  have the opportunity to justify that claim by presenting full and detailed accounts   

They don't legally  have  to file full accounts, of course,   but if they are going to claim highest standards of transparecy then they really  should be filing full accounts

Why wouldn't they, afterall  ?  ...  why wouldn't they take the opportunity to be seen  to be open and transparent where the Fund is concerned ?

Because hounders on the internet would do to the accounts what they did to the first set of more detailed accounts- build myths, lies and distortions.

No wonder they went to abbreviated reports after the shitstorm that followed the first set.

As ever, you are correct.  The McCanns do precisely what is required of them.

But then some people have no idea of what an Accountant is.  They think that Accountants work for them.  Wrong.  Accountants work for The Inland Revenue.  And no honest Accountant risks losing their livelihood and reputation by submitting anything that wouldn't pass muster.
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: amaraltheofficeboy on May 30, 2013, 05:09:04 PM
As far as I can see the fund conforms with every single law required of it. It discloses everything that is necessary.

Why should they waste time and money to satisfy the nosey parkers (anti [ censored word ]s) who think the managers of the charity should be at their beck and call?

When anyone points out a single illegal or immoral action by the fund then I will start to look into it. But no-one has ever shown a single such illegal or immoral action by the fund.

Of course there are a few other funds which have been set up related to the McCann case. Bennett has set up at least one, and there is one on behalf of Amaral I believe. None of these are in any way open to any form of legal or financial scrutiny. I feel that is quite disgraceful and I further believe that anyone who demands further exposition of the Madeleine Fund accounts which are already fully in conformity with all legal requirements and are financially scrutinised annually, is simply a rank hypocrite. When they demand scrutiny of all accounts and not just the one belonging to the McCanns then they might be worth my attention. Till then I look down on them as hypocrites.

The Fund is promoted by the McCanns on their website with the claim  that it ensures  the  "highest standards of transparency and accountability"

The Fund ( and the McCanns )  have the opportunity to justify that claim by presenting full and detailed accounts   

They don't legally  have  to file full accounts, of course,   but if they are going to claim highest standards of transparecy then they really  should be filing full accounts

Why wouldn't they, afterall  ?  ...  why wouldn't they take the opportunity to be seen  to be open and transparent where the Fund is concerned ?

Because hounders on the internet would do to the accounts what they did to the first set of more detailed accounts- build myths, lies and distortions.

No wonder they went to abbreviated reports after the shitstorm that followed the first set.

That is hardly a credible excuse for giving as little information as legally allowed

If the McCanns  ( the Fund )  choose to take advantage of the legal right to present abbreviated, non detailed financial information then they really should stop claiming they ensure the highest standards of transparency and accountability

you do realise that it is not compulsory for you to question everything the Mccanns have ever done and it is even less compulsory for them to answer everything don't you?

If you contributed to the fund (which I doubt) then write to the fund direct and ask your questions.
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: icabodcrane on May 30, 2013, 05:12:59 PM
Is this something they keep on claiming?

Yes,  on the official website it is claimed that the Fund Aministrator ensures the highest standards of transparency and accountability

Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: amaraltheofficeboy on May 30, 2013, 05:16:29 PM
Is this something they keep on claiming?

Yes,  on the official website it is claimed that the Fund Aministrator ensures the highest standards of transparency and accountability

that seems to upset you
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: amaraltheofficeboy on May 30, 2013, 05:20:49 PM
As far as I can see the fund conforms with every single law required of it. It discloses everything that is necessary.

Why should they waste time and money to satisfy the nosey parkers (anti [ censored word ]s) who think the managers of the charity should be at their beck and call?

When anyone points out a single illegal or immoral action by the fund then I will start to look into it. But no-one has ever shown a single such illegal or immoral action by the fund.

Of course there are a few other funds which have been set up related to the McCann case. Bennett has set up at least one, and there is one on behalf of Amaral I believe. None of these are in any way open to any form of legal or financial scrutiny. I feel that is quite disgraceful and I further believe that anyone who demands further exposition of the Madeleine Fund accounts which are already fully in conformity with all legal requirements and are financially scrutinised annually, is simply a rank hypocrite. When they demand scrutiny of all accounts and not just the one belonging to the McCanns then they might be worth my attention. Till then I look down on them as hypocrites.

The Fund is promoted by the McCanns on their website with the claim  that it ensures  the  "highest standards of transparency and accountability"

The Fund ( and the McCanns )  have the opportunity to justify that claim by presenting full and detailed accounts   

They don't legally  have  to file full accounts, of course,   but if they are going to claim highest standards of transparecy then they really  should be filing full accounts

Why wouldn't they, afterall  ?  ...  why wouldn't they take the opportunity to be seen  to be open and transparent where the Fund is concerned ?

Because hounders on the internet would do to the accounts what they did to the first set of more detailed accounts- build myths, lies and distortions.

No wonder they went to abbreviated reports after the shitstorm that followed the first set.

That is hardly a credible excuse for giving as little information as legally allowed

If the McCanns  ( the Fund )  choose to take advantage of the legal right to present abbreviated, non detailed financial information then they really should stop claiming they ensure the highest standards of transparency and accountability

you do realise that it is not compulsory for you to question everything the Mccanns have ever done and it is even less compulsory for them to answer everything don't you?

If you contributed to the fund (which I doubt) then write to the fund direct and ask your questions.

PS - you did demand a receipt for your contribution didn't you?
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: icabodcrane on May 30, 2013, 05:23:24 PM
Is this something they keep on claiming?

Yes,  on the official website it is claimed that the Fund Aministrator ensures the highest standards of transparency and accountability

that seems to upset you

It baffles me

The McCanns seem to be their own worse enemies at times.  Here they are, presented with the perfect opportunity to be be seen as straightforward, above board,  and entirely transparent,  and what do they do  ?  ...   allow the Fund  to be shrouded in mystery by choosing to give the very minimum financial information that  the law allows
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: amaraltheofficeboy on May 30, 2013, 05:25:38 PM
Is this something they keep on claiming?

Yes,  on the official website it is claimed that the Fund Aministrator ensures the highest standards of transparency and accountability

that seems to upset you

It baffles me

The McCanns seem to be their own worse enemies at times.  Here they are, presented with the perfect opportunity to be be seen as straightforward, above board,  and entirely transparent,  and what do they do  ?  ...   allow the Fund  to be shrouded in mystery by choosing to give the very minimum financial information that  the law allows

only to people like you.

to me they are acting within the law and therefore are not enemies of anyone - nevermind themselves!
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: amaraltheofficeboy on May 30, 2013, 05:32:30 PM
it's only shrouded in mystery to someone who is baffled.

the rest of us find it perfectly reasonable, acceptable and understadable.
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: Eleanor on May 30, 2013, 05:33:06 PM
The Inland Revenue know.  Ask them.  Or is that too simple?  And likely to get a "Mind your own business?"
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: Benice on May 30, 2013, 05:37:46 PM
Is this something they keep on claiming?

Yes,  on the official website it is claimed that the Fund Aministrator ensures the highest standards of transparency and accountability

that seems to upset you

It baffles me

The McCanns seem to be their own worse enemies at times.  Here they are, presented with the perfect opportunity to be be seen as straightforward, above board,  and entirely transparent,  and what do they do  ?  ...   allow the Fund  to be shrouded in mystery by choosing to give the very minimum financial information that  the law allows

As a contributor myself (albeit a small one),  I have no complaints at all about the accounts.  I'm quite certain that the Inland Revenue receive letters pointing out to them that the fund is fraudulent, which only makes me believe that in light of such serious allegations the  IR take steps to scrutinise them very closely indeed.      And yet still they haven't identified any fraud.   That should tell you something.


 


Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: Eleanor on May 30, 2013, 05:49:49 PM
Is this something they keep on claiming?

Yes,  on the official website it is claimed that the Fund Aministrator ensures the highest standards of transparency and accountability

that seems to upset you

It baffles me

The McCanns seem to be their own worse enemies at times.  Here they are, presented with the perfect opportunity to be be seen as straightforward, above board,  and entirely transparent,  and what do they do  ?  ...   allow the Fund  to be shrouded in mystery by choosing to give the very minimum financial information that  the law allows

As a contributor myself (albeit a small one),  I have no complaints at all about the accounts.  I'm quite certain that the Inland Revenue receive letters pointing out to them that the fund is fraudulent, which only makes me believe that in light of such serious allegations the  IR take steps to scrutinise them very closely indeed.      And yet still they haven't identified any fraud.   That should tell you something.


 

Of course it should.  The Inland Revenue aren't stupid.

Oh, I know.  The Inland Revenue are INNIT.
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: icabodcrane on May 30, 2013, 05:56:00 PM
Is this something they keep on claiming?

Yes,  on the official website it is claimed that the Fund Aministrator ensures the highest standards of transparency and accountability

that seems to upset you

It baffles me

The McCanns seem to be their own worse enemies at times.  Here they are, presented with the perfect opportunity to be be seen as straightforward, above board,  and entirely transparent,  and what do they do  ?  ...   allow the Fund  to be shrouded in mystery by choosing to give the very minimum financial information that  the law allows

As a contributor myself (albeit a small one),  I have no complaints at all about the accounts.  I'm quite certain that the Inland Revenue receive letters pointing out to them that the fund is fraudulent, which only makes me believe that in light of such serious allegations the  IR take steps to scrutinise them very closely indeed.      And yet still they haven't identified any fraud.   That should tell you something.


 

The McCanns choosing to withhold financial details  does not indicate  'fraud'   ...  it does indicate, though,  a baffling  reluctance to be open, transparent and fully accountable with regards to the Fund
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: amaraltheofficeboy on May 30, 2013, 06:01:38 PM
oh baffled again - what a day!
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: icabodcrane on May 30, 2013, 06:24:01 PM
Who should the fund be accountable to and why?

That the Fund should be accountable is a matter of law

The degree to which that accountability is detailed is a matter of choice

The McCanns could have chosen to present the Fund's financial details in as full a way as possible.  They could even, if they chose to,  enhance the full accounts  (  which are really just a 'snap-shot' )  by using a  Directors Report in which to give additional and specific information

It would be an excellent opportunity to demonstrate to their supporters,  and the public at large, that their use of the Fund has been entirely proper and that they are committed to openess, transparency and high standards of accountability

They did not, for some reason,  take that opportunity
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: DCI on May 30, 2013, 06:31:58 PM
Who should the fund be accountable to and why?

That the Fund should be accountable is a matter of law

The degree to which that accountability is detailed is a matter of choice

The McCanns could have chosen to present the Fund's financial details in as full a way as possible.  They could even, if they chose to,  enhance the full accounts  (  which are really just a 'snap-shot' )  by using a  Directors Report in which to give additional and specific information

It would be an excellent opportunity to demonstrate to their supporters,  and the public at large, that their use of the Fund has been entirely proper and that they are committed to openess, transparency and high standards of accountability

They did not, for some reason,  take that opportunity

If you think its illegal, then you should phone the cops, immediately or Inland Revenue. I believe you can ring both, anonymously  8(>((
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: amaraltheofficeboy on May 30, 2013, 06:34:12 PM
Who should the fund be accountable to and why?

That the Fund should be accountable is a matter of law

The degree to which that accountability is detailed is a matter of choice

The McCanns could have chosen to present the Fund's financial details in as full a way as possible.  They could even, if they chose to,  enhance the full accounts  (  which are really just a 'snap-shot' )  by using a  Directors Report in which to give additional and specific information

It would be an excellent opportunity to demonstrate to their supporters,  and the public at large, that their use of the Fund has been entirely proper and that they are committed to openess, transparency and high standards of accountability

They did not, for some reason,  take that opportunity

you keep repeating the same thing for some reason and people have the manners to answer you.

the fund obviously annoys you a lot - not the majority of people - just you and a couple of people.

if you can't find the answers to solve your mystery, confusion, bafflement and doubt on this forum - you know what to do - take it to the fund.

it must be stopping you sleep at night and that is not healthy.
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: debunker on May 30, 2013, 06:39:19 PM
Who should the fund be accountable to and why?

That the Fund should be accountable is a matter of law

The degree to which that accountability is detailed is a matter of choice

The McCanns could have chosen to present the Fund's financial details in as full a way as possible.  They could even, if they chose to,  enhance the full accounts  (  which are really just a 'snap-shot' )  by using a  Directors Report in which to give additional and specific information

It would be an excellent opportunity to demonstrate to their supporters,  and the public at large, that their use of the Fund has been entirely proper and that they are committed to openess, transparency and high standards of accountability

They did not, for some reason,  take that opportunity

That is your humble opinion.

Excuse me if I ignore it as having no standing in the matter.
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: Mrs. B on May 30, 2013, 06:43:21 PM
What aren't they getting? The fund accounts are being presented in accordance with the law, they're as "open" as anyone can expect. If you need further details, go get them yourself. Why should they pay accountants to produce detailed financial reports, over & above what is required by law, for the benefit of a few nosy "doubters" who never gave a penny in the first place & would keep on whining regardless?

I'd rather they spend the money WE donate on keeping the profile of Madeleine high & ensure that she's not forgotten by the public.
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: devils advocate on May 30, 2013, 07:12:45 PM
There was a book written by members of the Justice for The McCann Family Forum but all profits went to the Fund.  I'm not aware of any McCann supporter making personal profit from this case however.

The McCann's are doing quite nicely out of it wouldn't you think never mind the supporters.      Travel expenses here there and everywhere and having their mortgage paid for starters.      The thing about the way it has been set up is that nobody will get to know how their donations are being spent and that is just not on.   Does anybody else know of a limited company which exists on public donations and which doesn't account to its benefactors for the way its spends its money?

Another point I want to raise is where are the litigation damages going which the McCann's have managed to win from the Daily Express and others?   Are these going into their private bank accounts or into the Madeleine fund?



Setting up a limited company costs a few hundred pounds 

I don't think that is what Brian Kennedy was talking about at all

A good point well made   8((()*/     The McCann's appear to have squandered a lot of money on big name accountants and lawyers when there was no need to do so and I guarantee they spent a hell of a lot more money than a few hundred quid on setting up that company.     
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: amaraltheofficeboy on May 30, 2013, 07:27:09 PM
There was a book written by members of the Justice for The McCann Family Forum but all profits went to the Fund.  I'm not aware of any McCann supporter making personal profit from this case however.

The McCann's are doing quite nicely out of it wouldn't you think never mind the supporters.      Travel expenses here there and everywhere and having their mortgage paid for starters.      The thing about the way it has been set up is that nobody will get to know how their donations are being spent and that is just not on.   Does anybody else know of a limited company which exists on public donations and which doesn't account to its benefactors for the way its spends its money?

Another point I want to raise is where are the litigation damages going which the McCann's have managed to win from the Daily Express and others?   Are these going into their private bank accounts or into the Madeleine fund?

Quote
Counsel for the Defendant, Stephen Bacon
My Lord, on behalf of the Defendant, I confirm all that my friend has said.

Express Newspapers regrets publishing these extremely serious, yet baseless, allegations concerning Mr and Mrs McCann over a sustained period of what will already have been an enormously distressing time for them, and at a time when they have been trying to focus on finding their daughter.

As an expression of its regret, Express Newspapers has agreed to publish front-page apologies, acknowledging the falsity of the allegations and reflecting the fact that they should never have been made. Through me, Express Newspapers wholeheartedly repeats that apology before the Court today. They profoundly regret the distress which these publications will have caused to Mr and Mrs McCann. I confirm that Express Newspapers has agreed to make a substantial contribution to the Madeleine Fund, which we hope will assist in continuing the search for her.

Solicitor-Advocate for the Claimant, Adam Tudor, Carter-Ruck
My Lord, in all the circumstances, Mr and Mrs McCann's object in bringing these proceedings has been achieved.

Adam Tudor
Carter-Ruck
on behalf of the Claimants
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: devils advocate on May 30, 2013, 08:28:59 PM
Thank you, that is most revealing.  I was lead to believe that the McCanns won damages against Express Newspapers Ltd but what you have just posted states otherwise.  In reality Express Newspapers chose to make a voluntary donation to the Madeleine Fund to help in the search for Madeleine rather than have an order for libel damages made against them.   That would explain why the money went into the fund rather than into the McCann's own bank account.
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: ferryman on May 30, 2013, 08:32:12 PM
Thank you, that is most revealing.  I was lead to believe that the McCanns won damages against Express Newspapers Ltd but what you have just posted states otherwise.  In reality Express Newspapers chose to make a voluntary donation to the Madeleine Fund to help in the search for Madeleine rather than have an order for libel damages made against them.   That would explain why the money went into the fund rather than into the McCann's own bank account.

Is that intended to suggest you they'd have preferred it the other way?

Or have I misunderstood?
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: Angelo222 on May 30, 2013, 08:35:33 PM

The only people in the world who are remotely concerned about this are not McCann supporters, quite the opposite in fact.  What does that tell you?

It tells me that some McCann supporters are either extremely deluded or simple naïve.  Maybe both.   @)(++(*
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: Angelo222 on May 30, 2013, 08:47:48 PM
What aren't they getting? The fund accounts are being presented in accordance with the law, they're as "open" as anyone can expect. If you need further details, go get them yourself. Why should they pay accountants to produce detailed financial reports, over & above what is required by law, for the benefit of a few nosy "doubters" who never gave a penny in the first place & would keep on whining regardless?

I'd rather they spend the money WE donate on keeping the profile of Madeleine high & ensure that she's not forgotten by the public.


But that's the whole point, her profile is non existent outside the UK.  Everyone who comes back from abroad and who even has the slightest interest in Madeleine McCann reports the exact same thing.  No posters and no mention of Madeleine McCann anywhere.  The only people keeping her in the newspapers are the Met who have taken it upon themselves to release another few out of date snippets just to keep the press pack happy.   The same old sensationalistic garbage.

Big question is...just what is the big spend the McCanns are planning??   @)(++(*
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: amaraltheofficeboy on May 30, 2013, 08:51:27 PM
What aren't they getting? The fund accounts are being presented in accordance with the law, they're as "open" as anyone can expect. If you need further details, go get them yourself. Why should they pay accountants to produce detailed financial reports, over & above what is required by law, for the benefit of a few nosy "doubters" who never gave a penny in the first place & would keep on whining regardless?

I'd rather they spend the money WE donate on keeping the profile of Madeleine high & ensure that she's not forgotten by the public.


But that's the whole point, her profile is non existent outside the UK.  Everyone who comes back from abroad and who even has the slightest interest in Madeleine McCann reports the exact same thing.  No posters and no mention of Madeleine McCann anywhere.  The only people keeping her in the newspapers are the Met who have taken it upon themselves to release another few out of date snippets just to keep the press pack happy.   The same old sensationalistic garbage.

Big question is...just what is the big spend the McCanns are planning??   @)(++(*

you have lost all credibility.

carry on with your expertise and advice  - oh and of course your speculative questions.
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: devils advocate on May 30, 2013, 08:53:56 PM
Thank you, that is most revealing.  I was lead to believe that the McCanns won damages against Express Newspapers Ltd but what you have just posted states otherwise.  In reality Express Newspapers chose to make a voluntary donation to the Madeleine Fund to help in the search for Madeleine rather than have an order for libel damages made against them.   That would explain why the money went into the fund rather than into the McCann's own bank account.

Is that intended to suggest you they'd have preferred it the other way?

Or have I misunderstood?


That explains a lot.   The McCann's didn't win damages after all.
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: amaraltheofficeboy on May 30, 2013, 08:55:30 PM
Thank you, that is most revealing.  I was lead to believe that the McCanns won damages against Express Newspapers Ltd but what you have just posted states otherwise.  In reality Express Newspapers chose to make a voluntary donation to the Madeleine Fund to help in the search for Madeleine rather than have an order for libel damages made against them.   That would explain why the money went into the fund rather than into the McCann's own bank account.

Is that intended to suggest you they'd have preferred it the other way?

Or have I misunderstood?


That explains a lot.   The McCann's didn't win damages after all.

dream on
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: Mrs. B on May 30, 2013, 08:56:25 PM
Don't know where you get that from, that's not the impression I have at all. She is mentioned more than ANY other missing child that I know of. I don't see posters every day or even as often as I used to, but they do pop up here & there, every now & then in different airports, shops etc,  as a reminder to all of us. Don't see any posters for any other missing children though.....& that includes Amy btw.
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: Angelo222 on May 30, 2013, 09:13:28 PM
Don't know where you get that from, that's not the impression I have at all. She is mentioned more than ANY other missing child that I know of. I don't see posters every day or even as often as I used to, but they do pop up here & there, every now & then in different airports, shops etc,  as a reminder to all of us. Don't see any posters for any other missing children though.....& that includes Amy btw.

I wouldn't agree with that at all.  There have been several missing children and teens in the news recently.  The world for most people doesn't revolve around the Madeleine McCann story.   @)(++(*
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: Angelo222 on May 30, 2013, 09:15:18 PM
Thank you, that is most revealing.  I was lead to believe that the McCanns won damages against Express Newspapers Ltd but what you have just posted states otherwise.  In reality Express Newspapers chose to make a voluntary donation to the Madeleine Fund to help in the search for Madeleine rather than have an order for libel damages made against them.   That would explain why the money went into the fund rather than into the McCann's own bank account.

Is that intended to suggest you they'd have preferred it the other way?

Or have I misunderstood?


That explains a lot.   The McCann's didn't win damages after all.

dream on


Maybe you are yet to compute the difference between winning damages and a voluntary settlement.   8(0(*
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: DCI on May 30, 2013, 09:16:39 PM
Don't know where you get that from, that's not the impression I have at all. She is mentioned more than ANY other missing child that I know of. I don't see posters every day or even as often as I used to, but they do pop up here & there, every now & then in different airports, shops etc,  as a reminder to all of us. Don't see any posters for any other missing children though.....& that includes Amy btw.

I wouldn't agree with that at all.  There have been several missing children and teens in the news recently.  The world for most people doesn't revolve around the Madeleine McCann story.   @)(++(*

TODAY

http://www.cmjornal.xl.pt/detalhe/noticias/nacional/portugal/pista-de-raptor-foi-investigada
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: amaraltheofficeboy on May 30, 2013, 09:16:48 PM
Thank you, that is most revealing.  I was lead to believe that the McCanns won damages against Express Newspapers Ltd but what you have just posted states otherwise.  In reality Express Newspapers chose to make a voluntary donation to the Madeleine Fund to help in the search for Madeleine rather than have an order for libel damages made against them.   That would explain why the money went into the fund rather than into the McCann's own bank account.

Is that intended to suggest you they'd have preferred it the other way?

Or have I misunderstood?


That explains a lot.   The McCann's didn't win damages after all.

dream on


Maybe you are yet to compute the difference between winning damages and a voluntary settlement.   8(0(*

and the difference in the end result is?

yes money to the fund
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: devils advocate on May 30, 2013, 09:16:52 PM
Thank you, that is most revealing.  I was lead to believe that the McCanns won damages against Express Newspapers Ltd but what you have just posted states otherwise.  In reality Express Newspapers chose to make a voluntary donation to the Madeleine Fund to help in the search for Madeleine rather than have an order for libel damages made against them.   That would explain why the money went into the fund rather than into the McCann's own bank account.

Is that intended to suggest you they'd have preferred it the other way?

Or have I misunderstood?


That explains a lot.   The McCann's didn't win damages after all.

dream on


Is there any need for such a remark?
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: Mrs. B on May 30, 2013, 09:54:52 PM
Don't know where you get that from, that's not the impression I have at all. She is mentioned more than ANY other missing child that I know of. I don't see posters every day or even as often as I used to, but they do pop up here & there, every now & then in different airports, shops etc,  as a reminder to all of us. Don't see any posters for any other missing children though.....& that includes Amy btw.

I wouldn't agree with that at all.  There have been several missing children and teens in the news recently.  The world for most people doesn't revolve around the Madeleine McCann story.   @)(++(*

No, the world doesn't revolve around Madeleine or any of the other missing children. And contrary to your beliefs, news actually happens in other countries too, not only the UK.
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: Redblossom on May 30, 2013, 10:01:13 PM
Don't know where you get that from, that's not the impression I have at all. She is mentioned more than ANY other missing child that I know of. I don't see posters every day or even as often as I used to, but they do pop up here & there, every now & then in different airports, shops etc,  as a reminder to all of us. Don't see any posters for any other missing children though.....& that includes Amy btw.

I wouldn't agree with that at all.  There have been several missing children and teens in the news recently.  The world for most people doesn't revolve around the Madeleine McCann story.   @)(++(*

No, the world doesn't revolve around Madeleine or any of the other missing children. And contrary to your beliefs, news actually happens in other countries too, not only the UK.

Except the uk media are fixated on just one!
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: Mo Stache on May 30, 2013, 10:05:34 PM
Don't know where you get that from, that's not the impression I have at all. She is mentioned more than ANY other missing child that I know of. I don't see posters every day or even as often as I used to, but they do pop up here & there, every now & then in different airports, shops etc,  as a reminder to all of us. Don't see any posters for any other missing children though.....& that includes Amy btw.

I wouldn't agree with that at all.  There have been several missing children and teens in the news recently.  The world for most people doesn't revolve around the Madeleine McCann story.   @)(++(*

No, the world doesn't revolve around Madeleine or any of the other missing children. And contrary to your beliefs, news actually happens in other countries too, not only the UK.

Except the uk media are fixated on just one!
The UK media are fixated on selling a story for profit. It just so happens that reporting on Madeleine McCann is more profitable than reporting on others who are missing, sad but true.
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: Mrs. B on May 30, 2013, 10:08:32 PM
Don't know where you get that from, that's not the impression I have at all. She is mentioned more than ANY other missing child that I know of. I don't see posters every day or even as often as I used to, but they do pop up here & there, every now & then in different airports, shops etc,  as a reminder to all of us. Don't see any posters for any other missing children though.....& that includes Amy btw.

I wouldn't agree with that at all.  There have been several missing children and teens in the news recently.  The world for most people doesn't revolve around the Madeleine McCann story.   @)(++(*

No, the world doesn't revolve around Madeleine or any of the other missing children. And contrary to your beliefs, news actually happens in other countries too, not only the UK.

Except the uk media are fixated on just one!

Well, lucky me then, I've got news from all over the world to choose from.
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: Redblossom on May 30, 2013, 10:13:49 PM
Don't know where you get that from, that's not the impression I have at all. She is mentioned more than ANY other missing child that I know of. I don't see posters every day or even as often as I used to, but they do pop up here & there, every now & then in different airports, shops etc,  as a reminder to all of us. Don't see any posters for any other missing children though.....& that includes Amy btw.

I wouldn't agree with that at all.  There have been several missing children and teens in the news recently.  The world for most people doesn't revolve around the Madeleine McCann story.   @)(++(*

No, the world doesn't revolve around Madeleine or any of the other missing children. And contrary to your beliefs, news actually happens in other countries too, not only the UK.

Except the uk media are fixated on just one!
The UK media are fixated on selling a story for profit. It just so happens that reporting on Madeleine McCann is more profitable than reporting on others who are missing, sad but true.

Im not sure thats true to a large extent, paper buyers are normally loyal to one or two papers, that a reader of the telegraph would pick up the sun because madeleine was on the front page I dont think is probable especially when NO ONE has to fork a single penny out to read the papers anymore, the internet has superceded sneaking n newsagents and w h smiths
 @)(++(*

I think the fact that it is a cold case and no one has been found guilty of the crime let alone arrested and that month n month out we are presented with yet another so called suspect to add to the growing pile, and that the parents were suspects is what keeps an interest over other cases
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: registrar on May 30, 2013, 10:14:15 PM
'Team McCann' set the media juggernaut in motion

Wristbands, celebrity endorsements, balloons and inflatable billboards on Luz beach and THAT book

'Team McCann' should not now complain about the scrutiny they receive

especially after having spent 2 million £ of UK taxpayers' money on the review

with only rehashed news reports as a result
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: Redblossom on May 30, 2013, 10:15:00 PM
Don't know where you get that from, that's not the impression I have at all. She is mentioned more than ANY other missing child that I know of. I don't see posters every day or even as often as I used to, but they do pop up here & there, every now & then in different airports, shops etc,  as a reminder to all of us. Don't see any posters for any other missing children though.....& that includes Amy btw.

I wouldn't agree with that at all.  There have been several missing children and teens in the news recently.  The world for most people doesn't revolve around the Madeleine McCann story.   @)(++(*

No, the world doesn't revolve around Madeleine or any of the other missing children. And contrary to your beliefs, news actually happens in other countries too, not only the UK.

Except the uk media are fixated on just one!

Well, lucky me then, I've got news from all over the world to choose from.

Good for you, though major maddie stories tend to go newspaper viral, yu cant escape them
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: Mo Stache on May 30, 2013, 10:20:50 PM
Don't know where you get that from, that's not the impression I have at all. She is mentioned more than ANY other missing child that I know of. I don't see posters every day or even as often as I used to, but they do pop up here & there, every now & then in different airports, shops etc,  as a reminder to all of us. Don't see any posters for any other missing children though.....& that includes Amy btw.

I wouldn't agree with that at all.  There have been several missing children and teens in the news recently.  The world for most people doesn't revolve around the Madeleine McCann story.   @)(++(*

No, the world doesn't revolve around Madeleine or any of the other missing children. And contrary to your beliefs, news actually happens in other countries too, not only the UK.

Except the uk media are fixated on just one!
The UK media are fixated on selling a story for profit. It just so happens that reporting on Madeleine McCann is more profitable than reporting on others who are missing, sad but true.

Im not sure thats true to a large extent, paper buyers are normally loyal to one or two papers, that a reader of the telegraph would pick up the sun because madeleine was on the front page I dont think is probable especially when NO ONE has to fork a single penny out to read the papers anymore, the internet has superceded sneaking n newsagents and w h smiths
 @)(++(*

I think the fact that it is a cold case and no one has been found guilty of the crime let alone arrested and that month n month out we are presented with yet another so called suspect to add to the growing pile, and that the parents were suspects is what keeps an interest over other cases
The UK media isn't just newspaper sales. Internet and on line news has a huge role to play and it still fills the coffers of the moguls who keep running the McCann story. 
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: John on April 16, 2017, 01:40:43 AM
Yet another author out to reap the benefits from the Madeleine case.  New book just out by Nick Van der Leek.

(https://images-eu.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51JarFr%2BP-L.jpg)

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=8097.msg397276#msg397276
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: G-Unit on April 16, 2017, 09:04:51 AM
As a professional writer why not? Why should the McCann case be off-limits?
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: stephen25000 on April 16, 2017, 09:10:39 AM
As a professional writer why not? Why should the McCann case be off-limits?

Exactly.


Why should the McCann's be the only ones allowed to write a book on this case, and receive remuneration ?
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: Robittybob1 on April 16, 2017, 09:20:09 AM
Exactly.


Why should the McCann's be the only ones allowed to write a book on this case, and receive remuneration ?
There is no rule like this. 
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: stephen25000 on April 16, 2017, 09:26:03 AM
There is no rule like this.

Perhaps you would like to make a comment on the ' Sun's ' comments section to that effect.
Title: Re: So who is making money out of the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Post by: Davel on April 16, 2017, 09:57:25 AM
As a professional writer why not? Why should the McCann case be off-limits?

It shouldn't be