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News and current affairs => A look at the news stories currently making the headlines. => Topic started by: Wonderfulspam on April 12, 2021, 12:03:41 PM
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Minesota police shot a 20 year old black man following a traffic stop last night, just 12 miles from where George Floyd died.
Police body camera & dashcam footage is yet to be released.
As you would expect, before being aware of the full details, protesters have taken to the streets & started hurling objects at cops & damaging police cars.
https://news.sky.com/story/daunte-wright-death-protests-over-police-shooting-of-black-man-near-minneapolis-12273142
Protests have taken place after police fatally shot a black man during a traffic stop in the Minnesota city of Brooklyn Center, just outside of Minneapolis.
(https://e3.365dm.com/21/04/1600x900/skynews-minnesota-shooting_5339380.jpg?bypass-service-worker&20210412091612)
The man has been named by family as 20-year-old Daunte Wright.
He was stopped by police on Sunday - about 10 miles from where George Floyd died during an arrest in Minneapolis last year - then got back into his car and drove away before it crashed.
He died at the scene.
Tear gas was used and rubber bullets fired by officers in riot gear to disperse hundreds of protesters who had gathered outside the Brooklyn Center Police Department building on Sunday night, and a curfew imposed by Brooklyn Center mayor Mike Elliott until 6am on Monday morning after declaring a local emergency.
Tensions were already high in Minneapolis, Minnesota, where former police officer Derek Chauvin stands trial for the murder and manslaughter of Mr Floyd.
Chauvin, 45, was the officer seen kneeling on the neck of Mr Floyd for nine minutes and 29 seconds while he shouted that he could not breathe in May 2020.
The trial is entering its third week today, with the courthouse surrounded with fencing and national guard soldiers.
Crowds of protesters gathered after the most recent incident.
Some demonstrations were peaceful with signs saying "black lives matter" and chalk inscriptions on tarmac saying "Justice for Daunte Wright".
However, some people vandalised police cars by jumping on them and throwing stones.
The governor of Minnesota Tim Walz tweeted: "I am closely monitoring the situation in Brooklyn Center.
"Gwen and I are praying for Daunte Wright's family as our state mourns another life of a Black man taken by law enforcement."
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Mr Wright's mother, Katie Wright, told reporters at the scene that she received a phone call from her son on Sunday afternoon.
She said he told her police had pulled him over for having air fresheners dangling from his rear-view mirror, which is illegal in the state.
"I heard scuffling, and I heard police officers say, 'Daunte, don't run'," she said.
The call then ended, and she said that when she dialled back, her son's girlfriend answered and said he was dead in the driver's seat.
In a statement, Brooklyn Center police said they had pulled a man over for a traffic violation just before 2pm and found that he had an outstanding warrant for his arrest.
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The statement added that as officers tried to arrest the man, he got back in the car.
One officer shot the man, who was not identified in the statement.
The car was then driven several blocks before it hit another vehicle, with the man dying at the scene.
Police say that both officers' body cameras were recording during the incident.
(https://e3.365dm.com/21/04/1600x900/skynews-daunte-wright-minneapolis_5339259.jpg?bypass-service-worker&20210412072132)
The Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension - part of the state's law enforcement umbrella - is investigating the incident, but there are calls for a separate body to carry out an independent inquiry.
The American Civil Liberties Union has called for footage of the shooting to be released.
A statement from the group said it had "deep concerns that police here appear to have used dangling air fresheners as an excuse for making a pretextual stop, something police do all too often to target black people".
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This probably won't be a popular view on this thread but I really don't think the police should be executing anyone for having air fresheners hanging up in the backs of their cars, or even for attempting to evade arrest (unless they are clearly armed and a direct threat to the safety of others).
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This probably won't be a popular view on this thread but I really don't think the police should be executing anyone for having air fresheners hanging up in the backs of their cars, or even for attempting to evade arrest (unless they are clearly armed and a direct threat to the safety of others).
I'm reserving judgement at least until the bodycam footage & autopsy report are released.
There are conflicting reports that he was shot whilst in the car, or outside the car which he re-entered after being shot.
And here's another issue, even if he was unarmed, if an officer reasonably believed that he was, (e.g he put his hand into his waist band) an officer might perceive this as reaching for a gun & so would be justified in the use of force, this is how many police shootings of unarmed people occur. The officer need only reasonably believe there was a threat.
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There have been 3 fatal shootings of unarmed black men since the start of the year.
(source https://www.reneeater.com/on-monuments-blog/tag/list+of+unarmed+black+people+killed+by+police)
During the same period 15 police officers have been killed by gunfire, 2 have been stabbed to death, 7 killed by vehicular assault & a further 4 officers have been killed by nonspecific assault.
Also, 2 police dogs have been shot dead & 1 killed in an RTA. I'm more outraged about this than anything else.
(Source. Officer Down Memorial Page. https://www.odmp.org/search/year?year=2021)
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Until we see the full facts of the case we can't say too much but I bet the Police Chief is spitting feathers right now.
Moral of the story is however, if in the USA, don't attempt to flee police at a road stop if you have outstanding warrants.
Update: The officer involved is claiming he drew his gun instead of his tazer by mistake in the heated frenzy that took place. Appears also that the victim had an outstanding warrant for previously waving a handgun in a menacing manner. No doubt the police had this information before attempting his arrest so were trigger-happy anyway.
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Until we see the full facts of the case we can't say too much but I bet the Police Chief is spitting feathers right now.
Moral of the story is however, if in the USA, don't attempt to flee police at a road stop if you have outstanding warrants.
As much as I would like to visit the USA, the amount of gun violence scares the shit out of me.
But yes, I believe the chances of being killed by police reduce dramatically if you do just 2 simple things.
1) Don't be a criminal.
2) Comply with orders from law enforcement.
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Body camera footage from last nights shooting is about to be released.
Press conference in progress.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1MoQEsUkQ8
It appears the female officer fired her handgun instead of her tazer by accident.
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Body camera footage from last nights shooting is about to be released.
Press conference in progress.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1MoQEsUkQ8
It appears the female officer fired her handgun instead of her tazer by accident.
Careless.
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Careless.
Oh well, play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
He should have just worn the bracelets.
Failing to adhere to methods 1 & 2 from the 'how to not get killed by law enforcement' handbook has it's consequences.
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Oh well, play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
He should have just worn the bracelets.
Failing to adhere to methods 1 & 2 from the 'how to not get killed by law enforcement' handbook has it's consequences.
And give the police officer a pat on the back I suppose.
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And give the police officer a pat on the back I suppose.
Accidents happen.
Even if she doesn't ever face charges & get convicted, she'll be a marked woman & her career in law enforcement is most likely over.
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There was a similar police shooting I read about in Texas, the officer had his gun pointed at the subject in his car with one hand & attempted to remove the keys from the ignition with the other.
Instead of turning & removing the key, he accidentally pulled the trigger instead, resulting in a fatal headshot to the driver of the car.
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There was a similar police shooting I read about in Texas, the officer had his gun pointed at the subject in his car with one hand & attempted to remove the keys from the ignition with the other.
Instead of turning & removing the key, he accidentally pulled the trigger instead, resulting in a fatal headshot to the driver of the car.
Do you have to have an IQ below 100 to be a US police officer I wonder...?
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Do you have to have an IQ below 100 to be a US police officer I wonder...?
These are Americans we're talking about.....
Just to illustrate how the Texas shooting went down.
True story.
I keep a laundry basket next to my toilet in the bathroom.
I had a dirty tissue I wanted to throw in the toilet in one hand & a dirty T-shirt to go in the laundry basket in the other........
You can guess what happened....
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Do you have to have an IQ below 100 to be a US police officer I wonder...?
Blame the gangsters on the streets, not the police officers who have to contend with them every day.
(https://e3.365dm.com/21/04/1600x900/skynews-daunte-wright-minneapolis_5339259.jpg?bypass-service-worker&20210412072132)
Is this some African dance? And some wonder why they get shot.
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Blame the gangsters on the streets, not the police officers who have to contend with them every day.
The amount of law enforcement killed in the states each year far exceeds the amount of unarmed black men killed by police.
The narrative that racist police are hunting down & killing innocent, unarmed black people in great numbers is simply not supported by the data.
The total amount of people killed by police (black, white, hispanic, either armed or unarmed) has remained around 1000 per year for the past 5 years.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/investigations/police-shootings-database/
Although young black men are killed by law enforcement at a higher rate than white men, what should be taken into account is that young black men commit a disproportionate amount of crime, particularly robbery, car jacking & murders & so are more likely to be involved in violent confrontation with officers.
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The amount of law enforcement killed in the states each year far exceeds the amount of unarmed black men killed by police.
The narrative that racist police are hunting down & killing innocent, unarmed black people in great numbers is simply not supported by the data.
We all know why that narrative is being promoted though don't we.
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Blame the gangsters on the streets, not the police officers who have to contend with them every day.
(https://e3.365dm.com/21/04/1600x900/skynews-daunte-wright-minneapolis_5339259.jpg?bypass-service-worker&20210412072132)
Is this some African dance? And some wonder why they get shot.
I’m sorry but in the case of police accidentally shooting and killing someone then I blame the police person and that police person should be punished.
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I’m sorry but in the case of police accidentally shooting and killing someone then I blame the police person and that police person should be punished.
Sorry but I must victim blame here, he should accept 50% responsibility as the level of force would not have escalated had he just complied.
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Sorry but I must victim blame here, he should accept 50% responsibility as the level of force would not have escalated had he just complied.
In what way was the victim not complying in the story you gave of the police person reaching into the car to take the car keys?
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In what way was the victim not complying in the story you gave of the police person reaching into the car to take the car keys?
I'm not saying he was.
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I'm not saying he was.
Sorry but I must victim blame here, he should accept 50% responsibility as the level of force would not have escalated had he just complied
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Body camera footage from last nights shooting is about to be released.
Press conference in progress.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1MoQEsUkQ8
It appears the female officer fired her handgun instead of her tazer by accident.
Crazy incompetence by that female office. A tazer pistol is nothing like a gun. She can say goodbye to her job, home and to living in that locality ever again, a heavy price for a moment of madness.
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Crazy incompetence by that female office. A tazer pistol is nothing like a gun. She can say goodbye to her job, home and to living in that locality ever again, a heavy price for a moment of madness.
https://youtu.be/c1MoQEsUkQ8?t=4465
Pressure of the moment. A costly mistake, in the video it is clear she did not withdraw her firearm until the suspect struggled, she then shouted 'Tazer' 3 times before firing & then immediately realised her cock up.
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Oh God.
Now a mass school shooting in Tenesee.
The country is going downhill fast since they got rid of Trump.
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Oh God.
Now a mass school shooting in Tenesee.
The country is going downhill fast since they got rid of Trump.
Yeah, it would never have happened under his watch.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/mass-shootings-under-trump/
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Yeah, it would never have happened under his watch.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/mass-shootings-under-trump/
Yes I wasn't being serious. Despite how much I genuinely miss President Trump.
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https://youtu.be/c1MoQEsUkQ8?t=4465
Pressure of the moment. A costly mistake, in the video it is clear she did not withdraw her firearm until the suspect struggled, she then shouted 'Tazer' 3 times before firing & then immediately realised her cock up.
The male officer who tried to cuff the suspect made an absolute arse of it. For starters he should have taken him to the back of the car and not tried to do it at the open driver's door.
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Abolish the police. Abolish incarceration.
This is the opinion of an elected Democrat.
Have you ever heard such utter stupidy?
Democrat Rashida Tlaib Goes Extreme: ‘No More Policing’ And ‘Incarceration,’ ‘It Can’t Be Reformed’
Far-left Rep. Rashida Tlaib (D-MI) was widely slammed online on Monday after she made arguably the most extreme far-left proposal of any notable public figure over the last year, calling for there to be “no more policing” and “incarceration” because the system “can’t be reformed.”
Tlaib’s remarks came after 20-year-old Daunte Wright was shot as he attempted to run from police who pulled him over on Sunday over expired license plate tags. Wright had a warrant out for his arrest for running from police and for a weapons charge. Police later said that the officer who shot Wright thought she was using her taser.
“It wasn’t an accident. Policing in our country is inherently & intentionally racist,” Tlaib said. “Daunte Wright was met with aggression & violence. I am done with those who condone government funded murder. No more policing, incarceration, and militarization. It can’t be reformed.”
Read more @ https://www.dailywire.com/news/democrat-rashida-tlaib-goes-extreme-no-more-policing-and-incarceration-it-cant-be-reformed?utm_source=f
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And now the squirming mayor of Brooklyn Center has been given overall control of the police to fire whoever he wants. Yesterday he said that the female office who accidentally shot the fleeing criminal should lose her job. No investigation, no police panel, no appeal, just boot her out. What a cretin! He's more bothered about his re-election and losing votes.
The US under the democrats is going downhill fast.
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"Wright also had previous run-ins with law enforcement. According to court records, he was charged with a petty misdemeanour twice in August 2019—once for selling marijuana and another for disorderly conduct. In February, however, Wright was charged with aggravated robbery. He was released conditionally, according to jail records, and was due to appear in court this summer.
The one outstanding warrant for Wright's arrest, Hennepin County authorities confirmed, was issued after the young man failed to appear for a hearing on April 2. The court date was to deal with a gross misdemeanour charge dating to last summer, when Wright allegedly got caught carrying a pistol without a permit and fled from a peace officer.
Arthur Martinez, a public defender who represented Wright, said he believed his client had never received notice of the scheduled appearance—and said that the court had not informed him either.
“He obviously didn’t get it, and no one notified me, and a date came up for April 2nd for 2:30 in the afternoon, and him not knowing about it, didn’t show up, and there was a warrant issued for his arrest,” said Martinez, who shared an image of the warrant with The Daily Beast that shows that the judge set bail at a $3,000 bond or $500 in cash.
“That’s how not serious this is: it’s a $500 bail. This wasn’t a $50,000 bail. This isn’t something where he allegedly did something violent to someone,” he said. “It’s not even a felony. It’s a gross misdemeanor. To tase or shoot somebody is insane.”
https://www.thedailybeast.com/daunte-wrights-mom-says-minnesota-police-killed-her-son-over-an-air-freshener-violation
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Daunte Wright had a warrant out for his arrest for attempted aggravated robbery charges after 'choking and holding a woman at gunpoint for $820 in 2019', court papers reveal
Daunte Wright choked a woman and threatened to shoot her if she did not hand over $820 she had stuffed in her bra, court papers obtained by DailyMail.com allege.
That is the case that led to a warrant for his arrest at the time he was shot and killed by police officer Kimberly Potter in Minnesota on Sunday, leading to days of unrest.
And online speculation that he did not know there was a warrant out for his arrest is false, DailyMail.com has learned. A letter returned to the court for having a wrong address was giving notice of a court date in August and had nothing to do with the warrant.
Wright, 20, was shot dead in Brooklyn Center, Minnesota on Sunday by Potter, 48, a 26-year veteran in the Brooklyn Center Police Department.
She says she mistakenly grabbed her gun instead of her taser. After the gun fired, she is heard on body camera saying: 'Holy s**t I shot him.' Potter and Brooklyn Center police chief Tim Gannon both resigned on Tuesday.
Wright was allegedly pulled over for having expired license plate tags, although he called his mother and told her it was for having an air freshener hanging on his rear-view mirror. While checking his details, Potter and other officers learned of the warrant.
When they tried to handcuff him, Wright got back into his car and at that point Potter shot him in the chest after warning fellow officers to get out of the way by shouting, 'Taser, taser, taser.'
Wright was due to face trial on a charge of attempted aggravated robbery - with a possible maximum sentence of 20 years in prison.
Charging papers say he and a second man, Emajay Driver went to a home shared by two women in Osseo, Minnesota 'to party' in December 2019. At the time, Wright was 19 and Driver was 18.
The women asked them to leave around 2.30 am on December 1, but they said they didn't have a ride and the women - who are not identified in the court documents - allowed them to sleep on the floor.
In the morning, one of the women went to the bank to get her $820 rent money which she gave to the other woman and then left for work. As Wright, Driver and the second woman were leaving, Wright allegedly tried to hold up the woman.
'The three of them were walking to the door to exit the apartment and defendant Wright turned around and blocked the door preventing victim from leaving,' says the report, written by Osseo Police Officer Shane Mikkelson.
Defendant Wright then pulled a black handgun with silver trim out from either his right waistband or his right coat pocket and pointed it at victim and demanded the rent money,' continued Mikkelson.
'Victim said "Are you serious?" Defendant Wright replied: "Give me the f**king money, I know you have it."
When the woman again asked him if he was serious, Wright is said to have replied: 'I'm not playing around.'
Mikkelson's report said: 'The $820 cash was tucked in the victim's bra and defendant Wright placed his hand around victim's neck and choked her while trying to pull the cash from under her bra.
'Victim was able to get loose from defendant Wright and started to kneel down and scream.'
After more yelling, Wright allegedly told the woman that he was going to shoot her unless he got the money.
'Give me the money and we will leave,' he allegedly said. 'Give me the money and we will go.'
Mikkelson added: 'Defendant Wright then tried to choke victim a second time and tried to take her money. Defendant Driver was telling her to give defendant Wright the money.
'Defendant Driver then said: "Let's go," and the two defendants left and got into a white Cadillac and left the scene,' wrote Mikkelson.
'Afterwards, victim found that the cash was still in her bra.'
Mikkelson said the woman identified both Wright and Driver through photo line-ups.
Wright's bail was originally set at $100,000 with orders that he should not contact the victim or any witnesses, refrain from drugs and alcohol and not have any weapons. A bond bailsman paid $40,000 for his release.
But his bail was revoked in July last year due to his 'failure to not possess a firearm or ammunition' and not keeping in touch with his probation officer, court papers show.
At that time a judge issued a warrant for his arrest, that was still outstanding on the day he died.
In recent days several people have claimed on the Internet that Wright may not even have known about the warrant because it was sent to the wrong address and returned to the court by the US Postal Service.
But that letter, sent out on February 2 and returned to the court three days later was just to advise Wright of a change of date for his court hearing.
It was sent to an address in Minneapolis and marked 'Return to Sender. No such number. Unable to forward' by the USPS.
Wright's killing, just 10 miles from the scene of George Floyd's death in Minneapolis last May, has led to unrest in Minnesota and nationwide.
Overnight protests broke out in New York, Washington, D.C., Portland, Seattle and elsewhere.
Police officer Potter's five-bedroom home was surrounded by cops unloading barricades on Tuesday after her address was leaked online.
A police source told DailyMail.com that they anticipate protests later and said they are taking precautions to prevent the home being wrecked.
'We learned from [Derek] Chauvin. His house got totally smashed up in the protests,' the source said.
Potter left the property late last night with her 54-year-old husband Jeff and their sons Sam and Nick.
Jeff Potter, retired from cop work with the Police Department in Fridley, Minnesota, in 2017 after 26 years. He now works as a corporate investigator at Allina Health. A relative was also spotted at the home on Tuesday morning, taking a series of cardboard boxes out of the property and loading it into their car.
Police sources told DailyMail.com that Potter and her family have left the area entirely.
In an interview with Good Morning America on Tuesday, Wright's parents Katie and Aubrey said they could not accept their son's death was a mistake.
'I cannot accept that. I lost my son, he's never coming back. I can't accept a mistake, that doesn't even sound right,' Aubrey said.
'This officer has been on the force for 26 years.'
Wright's mother added that she wants Potter to be held accountable for 'everything she's taken from us'.
His aunt, Naisha Wright, had earlier called for Potter to be jailed for 'not knowing the difference between a fully loaded pistol and a taser'.
'Accident? An accident? No, come on now! I own a 20,000 volt taser. They don't feel nothing like a gun,' she told CNN. 'My family's blood is on their hands.'
Naisha has denied that her nephew's license plate tag was expired, as police have said. She also said a misdemeanor warrant that was out for her nephew was 'just for some weed'.
Wright's shooting death has sparked violent protests and unrest in the city that is already on edge because of the trial of Derek Chauvin, the first of four police officers charged in George Floyd's death.
Police Chief Tim Gannon released footage of the incident from Potter's bodycam that showed her and two other officers approaching Wright's car after he had been pulled over for the traffic stop.
The footage showed one officer trying to handcuff Wright as a second officer told him he was being arrested on a warrant. Wright immediately jumped back into his car in an apparent attempt to flee.
A struggle then broke out between the officers and Wright, who was still sitting inside his car.
'I'll Tase you! I'll Tase you! Taser! Taser! Taser!' Potter could be heard shouting in her bodycam video.
Immediately after, Potter can be heard saying: 'Holy sh*t. I shot him'.
Potter and Tim Gannon both resigned on Tuesday amid mounting pressure for Potter to step down.
In her resignation letter, Potter - who has worked for the department for 26 years - did not address the deadly shooting that has sparked two days of violent protests and unrest across the city.
'I have loved every minute of being a police officer and serving this community to the best of my ability, but I believe it is in the best interest of the community, the department and my fellow officers if I resign immediately,' Potter said.
Potter, a married mother-of-two, had been on administrative leave since the shooting.
Brooklyn Center Mayor Mike Elliot also announced the resignation of Potter's police chief boss.
Gannon was the one who revealed during a tense press conference a day earlier that Wright's death was the result of 'accidental discharge' after Potter mistook her taser for a gun.
The resignations came as pressure mounted for Potter to be fired, including from Mayor Elliot.
Authorities have not confirmed the nature of the warrant but court records show Wright was being sought after failing to appear in court last month on misdemeanor charges that he fled from officers and possessed a gun without a permit during an encounter with Minneapolis police last June.
His aunt has said the warrant was for marijuana possession.
The Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension is the agency investigating Wright's death.
Ben Crump, a civil rights attorney who helped the family of George Floyd win a $27million legal settlement against the city of Minneapolis, is also representing the Wrights.
In a tweet, Crump said he believed that Potter 'knew exactly what she was doing' in a previous case which he said she told officers how to 'obscure accountability'.
He wrote about the previous incident involving Dimock-Heisler and Potter, saying she 'taught officers who fatally shot Kobe Dimock-Heisler how to protect themselves & obscure accountability'.
Crump, quoting a Hennepin County Attorney's Office report, wrote that Potter had previously instructed two police officers in the previous case to 'exit the residence, get into separate squad cars, turn off their body worn camera, and to not talk to eаch other.
'Of course Kim Potter knew exactly what she was doing. She knew how to obscure the truth. In that instance, her actions were clearly intentional,' he wrote.
Wright's mother Katie Wright has previously described her son calling her in the moments before he was shot to say police had pulled him over for having air fresheners dangling from his rear-view mirror.
It is illegal in Minnesota to have anything hanging from a rear-view mirror.
She said he called her to get insurance information for the vehicle because she recently gave the car to him.
Describing the call, Wright's mother said: 'I said when the police officer comes back to the window, put him on the phone and I will give him the insurance information.
'Then I heard the police officer come to the window and say, 'Put the phone down and get out of the car.' And Wright said 'why'. He said, 'We'll explain to you when you get out of the car.''
'A minute later, I called and his girlfriend answered, who was the passenger in the car, and said that he'd been shot and she put it on the driver's side, and he was laying there lifeless,' Katie told gathered media on Sunday afternoon.
'I heard scuffling, and I heard police officers say, 'Daunte, don't run,'' she said through tears. The call ended, and she dialed his number again. His girlfriend answered and said he was dead in the driver's seat.
Speaking before the unrest broke out, Wright's mother had urged protesters to stay peaceful and remain focused on the loss of her son.
'All the violence, if it keeps going, it's only going to be about the violence. We need it to be about why my son got shot for no reason,' she said to a crowd near the shooting scene in Brooklyn Center.
'We need to make sure it's about him and not about smashing police cars, because that's not going to bring my son back.'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9467375/Daunte-Wright-warrant-arrest-attempted-aggravated-robbery-charges.html
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Daunte Wright had a warrant out for his arrest for attempted aggravated robbery charges after 'choking and holding a woman at gunpoint for $820 in 2019', court papers reveal
Daunte Wright choked a woman and threatened to shoot her if she did not hand over $820 she had stuffed in her bra, court papers obtained by DailyMail.com allege.
That is the case that led to a warrant for his arrest at the time he was shot and killed by police officer Kimberly Potter in Minnesota on Sunday, leading to days of unrest.
And online speculation that he did not know there was a warrant out for his arrest is false, DailyMail.com has learned. A letter returned to the court for having a wrong address was giving notice of a court date in August and had nothing to do with the warrant.
Wright, 20, was shot dead in Brooklyn Center, Minnesota on Sunday by Potter, 48, a 26-year veteran in the Brooklyn Center Police Department.
Another real charmer then. It's a pity that a veteran police officer has to pay the price for his recklessness which brought about the circumstances of his shooting.
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Another real charmer then. It's a pity that a veteran police officer has to pay the price for his recklessness which brought about the circumstances of his shooting.
Didn't want to take responsibility for his actions.
If the cop hadn't shot him (which imo was accidental) then what?
A high speed car chase allowing him a few more minutes of freedom?
How's that going to end?
Possibly a fatal car crash, & if luckily enough that doesn't happen when he does eventually stop (he'd have to a some point!) he'd be met with even more officers ready to take him in as well as a host of extra charges, resisting, driving recklessly etc etc.
This guy had a choice, he chose stupidity & I've absolutely zero sympathy for idiots.
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I'm trying to find a CNN article mentioning his charge for aggravated robbery & there doesn't seem to be one, funnily enough.
He's still being painted as a little angel who was intentionally murdered for use of a magic tree.
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Didn't want to take responsibility for his actions.
If the cop hadn't shot him (which imo was accidental) then what?
A high speed car chase allowing him a few more minutes of freedom?
How's that going to end?
Possibly a fatal car crash, & if luckily enough that doesn't happen when he does eventually stop (he'd have to a some point!) he'd be met with even more officers ready to take him in as well as a host of extra charges, resisting, driving recklessly etc etc.
This guy had a choice, he chose stupidity & I've absolutely zero sympathy for idiots.
then he'd almost certainly be alive.
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then he'd almost certainly be alive.
Yes, but most likely on remand.
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Yes, but most likely on remand.
Is that worse than being dead? I doubt it.
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I'm trying to find a CNN article mentioning his charge for aggravated robbery & there doesn't seem to be one, funnily enough.
He's still being painted as a little angel who was intentionally murdered for use of a magic tree.
Are you kidding. CNN are more interested in plastering Kim Potter's profile everywhere.
Yes, it's started already. They'll be looking for a $20 million payout too.
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i personally think people shouldnt judge police officers for doing their jobs i can bet the same idiots protesting in the us right now would call the police if they were in danger it is hypocritcal to me but thats just me police cams were a good invention but because of them now some people think they know more then the police do if they watch it
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i personally think people shouldnt judge police officers for doing their jobs i can bet the same idipts protesting in the us right now would call the police if they were in danger it is hypocritcal to me but thats just me
I think people are entitled to judge police officers who are not doing their jobs properly and who are clearly incompetent or corrupt, why not?
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Prosecutors may be announcing if there are charges later today.
"It would be just the second time that a U.S. police officer faces criminal charges for fatally shooting someone with a service weapon in an apparent mix-up with their Taser.
Bay Area Rapid Transit police officer Johannes Mehserle was convicted of involuntary manslaughter in a jury trial and sentenced to two years in prison for the 2009 shooting of Oscar Grant III. Mehserle's attorney argued that his client meant to use a Taser when he fired one bullet into Grant's back. The case was dramatized in the 2013 movie "Fruitville Station."
https://www.startribune.com/washington-county-attorney-says-charges-likely-wednesday-in-wright-shooting/600045468/
The shooting of Oscar Grant
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Oscar_Grant
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If I accidentally mistake my accelerator for a brake and run over and kill a small child that has run into the road I would probably be punished for dangerous driving, so why would anyone expect the cop to get off scott-free?
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If I accidentally mistake my accelerator for a brake and run over and kill a small child that has run into the road I would probably be punished for dangerous driving, so why would anyone expect the cop to get off scott-free?
I expect she will be charged, but the Wright family & all them mostly peaceful protesters might be a tad disappointed when they find out she isn't being charged with racially motivated first degree murder. Which many people seem to think this was.
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"On Sunday, Potter was working as a field training officer, helping a new officer learn the job, when they attempted to arrest Wright."
https://www.startribune.com/washington-county-attorney-says-charges-likely-wednesday-in-wright-shooting/600045468/
I wonder if this was the officer attempting to cuff Wright.
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I expect she will be charged, but the Wright family & all them mostly peaceful protesters might be a tad disappointed when they find out she isn't being charged with racially motivated first degree murder. Which many people seem to think this was.
I wonder what the stats are on deployment of tasers and guns by US police against black suspects versus white suspects, and if there is any difference according to race.
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I wonder what the stats are on deployment of tasers and guns by US police against black suspects versus white suspects, and if there is any difference according to race.
I'm not sure, but one thing I am sure of is that young black men commit robbery, car jacking & murder at a higher rate than any other race, so I don't think it's completely unreasonable for officers to have this in mind when dealing with young black armed robbery suspects.
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I'm not sure, but one thing I am sure of is that young black men commit robbery, car jacking & murder at a higher rate than any other race, so I don't think it's completely unreasonable for officers to have this in mind when dealing with young black armed robbery suspects.
Not to mention having air fresheners hanging up in the rear window.
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If I accidentally mistake my accelerator for a brake and run over and kill a small child that has run into the road I would probably be punished for dangerous driving, so why would anyone expect the cop to get off scott-free?
I don't think anyone does. In fact she has lost her job now, possibly her pension, certainly her home and community.
And could end up with an involuntary manslaughter conviction as well.
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Not to mention having air fresheners hanging up in the rear window.
You do know that wasn't why they stopped him, right?
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I don't think anyone does. In fact she has lost her job now, possibly her pension, certainly her home and community.
And could end up with an involuntary manslaughter conviction as well.
And sadly that is as a direct consequence of her own ineptitude, it's no one else's fault no matter how much you try to make it the fault of the naughty black man.
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You do know that wasn't why they stopped him, right?
I'm only going by the news report you posted in the opening post.
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I am having some difficulty in understanding how one could mistake the feel of a Taser to that of a gun.
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I'm only going by the news report you posted in the opening post.
According to the cops he was pulled for expired registration, which just goes to show you can't trust the media.
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Daunte Wright shooting: How can you mistake a gun for a Taser?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/56734989
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I am having some difficulty in understanding how one could mistake the feel of a Taser to that of a gun.
I don't think it's impossible, according to stats between 2001-2009 there were at least 9 instances where officers claimed this happened. 2 resulting in death.
Weapon Confusion and Civil Liability
http://www.aele.org/law/2012all06/2012-06MLJ101.pdf
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Kim Potter, the 26-year veteran of the Brooklyn Center Police Department, will be charged with second-degree manslaughter in connection with Daunte Wright's death, Washington County Attorney Pete Orput has just announced.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ex-officer-kim-potter-be-charged-2nd-degree-manslaughter-daunte-n1264025?soc_src=aolapp
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Kim Potter, the 26-year veteran of the Brooklyn Center Police Department, will be charged with second-degree manslaughter in connection with Daunte Wright's death, Washington County Attorney Pete Orput has just announced.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ex-officer-kim-potter-be-charged-2nd-degree-manslaughter-daunte-n1264025?soc_src=aolapp
I can't seem to find the legal definition of 2nd degree manslaughter.
The video says...
If you knowingly or consciously take a risk that results in the death of a person.
Need a more detailed/ accurate description imo
Otherwise it looks like she might have a reasonable defence, she didn't know she was risking his life.
She thought she was using a non lethal weapon.
But saying that, officers are trained to distinguish between the two weapons, so perhaps she did know there was a risk. But the fact that the shooting unfolded in a few seconds (roughly 12 secs on my count) during a tense situation would need to be taken into account.
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I can't seem to find the legal definition of 2nd degree manslaughter.
The video says...
If you knowingly or consciously take a risk that results in the death of a person.
Need a more detailed/ accurate description imo
Otherwise it looks like she might have a reasonable defence, she didn't know she was risking his life.
She thought she was using a non lethal weapon.
But saying that, officers are trained to distinguish between the two weapons, so perhaps she did know there was a risk. But the fact that the shooting unfolded in a few seconds (roughly 12 secs on my count) during a tense situation would need to be taken into account.
12 seconds is ample time to check that you are using the correct weapon IMO. If you’d said 1.2 seconds you might have a point.
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12 seconds is ample time to check that you are using the correct weapon IMO. If you’d said 1.2 seconds you might have a point.
I really wouldn't know myself, I'd need to undergo the police department procedural use of fire arm & tazer training to be sure. How many other risk factors & procedures might she also have been required to consider, during that 12 seconds, because that could be an issue.
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I can't seem to find the legal definition of 2nd degree manslaughter.
The video says...
If you knowingly or consciously take a risk that results in the death of a person.
Need a more detailed/ accurate description imo
Otherwise it looks like she might have a reasonable defence, she didn't know she was risking his life.
She thought she was using a non lethal weapon.
But saying that, officers are trained to distinguish between the two weapons, so perhaps she did know there was a risk. But the fact that the shooting unfolded in a few seconds (roughly 12 secs on my count) during a tense situation would need to be taken into account.
Don't they keep these two weapons in two different pockets?
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I really wouldn't know myself, I'd need to undergo the police department procedural use of fire arm & tazer training to be sure. How many other risk factors & procedures might she also have been required to consider, during that 12 seconds, because that could be an issue.
Their brains obviously work verrrrry slowwwwly in that case then.
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Don't they keep these two weapons in two different pockets?
Yes, they have their Gun on the side according to handedness, Gun on their strong hand & Tazer either holstered on their weaker side or in the centre of their body, so I've read.
But I'm really struggling to believe the opposing argument, that this 26 year veteran made a conscious decision to risk her career, pension & freedom & life by murdering some black dude on camera.
Like, what would be her motive? Because she's racist? Then why pick on one dude, why not visit Detroit with an assault rifle & just go for it.
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Yes, they have their Gun on the side according to handedness, Gun on their strong hand & Tazer either holstered on their weaker side or in the centre of their body, so I've read.
But I'm really struggling to believe the opposing argument, that this 26 year veteran made a conscious decision to risk her career, pension & freedom & life by murdering some black dude on camera.
Like, what would be her motive? Because she's racist? Then why pick on one dude, why not visit Detroit with an assault rifle & just go for it.
Obviously it’s an accident but that’s not really a pn acceptable excuse for an experienced police officer mistaking a gun for a taser, a gun which weighed 4 times more than the taser.
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Yes, they have their Gun on the side according to handedness, Gun on their strong hand & Tazer either holstered on their weaker side or in the centre of their body, so I've read.
But I'm really struggling to believe the opposing argument, that this 26 year veteran made a conscious decision to risk her career, pension & freedom & life by murdering some black dude on camera.
Like, what would be her motive? Because she's racist? Then why pick on one dude, why not visit Detroit with an assault rifle & just go for it.
The trouble here is that she said, Taser Taser Taser before she fired it.
But No, I doubt that she deliberately set out to shoot him. Perhaps she was tired and stressed.
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Obviously it’s an accident but that’s not really a pn acceptable excuse for an experienced police officer mistaking a gun for a taser, a gun which weighed 4 times more than the taser.
It will all have to be weighed up in court.
As I understand it, she's now in custody, who knows for how long, she can't go home any time without protection, her address has been leaked on social media by peaceful protesters who want 'justice'.
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The trouble here is that she said, Taser Taser Taser before she fired it.
But No, I doubt that she deliberately set out to shoot him. Perhaps she was tired and stressed.
Tired, stressed, under pressure, had a slight headache, menstruating even.
There are so many possible factors as to why she forgot part of her training.
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It will all have to be weighed up in court.
As I understand it, she's now in custody, who knows for how long, she can't go home any time without protection, her address has been leaked on social media by peaceful protesters who want 'justice'.
She must be going through hell and I sympathise, but the parents of the man she killed are going through hell as well and I sympathise with them more. I don’t have any sympathy with those who are using this incident to further their agenda whether it be pro black/ anti police or anti-black, victim blaming.
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Don't they keep these two weapons in two different pockets?
Yes. And the gun is placed in a holster on your primary side ie your right side if right handed etc. The tazer is in a holster on the other side. In my opinion I think she advanced to the vehicle knowing that the suspect had gun history, that she had her hand on the gun, that in the confusion she thought tazer but drew and used her gun.
Ultimately I put the blame firmly with the victim, had he behaved in a decent respectful manner he would be alive today.
The world is full of these bums who duck and dive constantly and cry justice the moment the law catches up with them. North America has a huge problem now and it isn't going to get better any time soon with liberal democrats running it.
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She must be going through hell and I sympathise, but the parents of the man she killed are going through hell as well and I sympathise with them more. I don’t have any sympathy with those who are using this incident to further their agenda whether it be pro black/ anti police or anti-black, victim blaming.
My sympathy level for his parents reduced considerably when they saw the same video we all saw & then accused the cop of intentional homicide.
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My sympathy level for his parents reduced considerably when they saw the same video we all saw & then accused the cop of intentional homicide.
I doubt in the midst of their grief that they are thinking too rationally, therefore my sympathy for them remains undimmed.
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I doubt in the midst of their grief that they are thinking too rationally, therefore my sympathy for them remains undimmed.
Well that's very kind of you & I'm sure they really appreciate it.
Have you thought about sending a condolence card?
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Well that's very kind of you & I'm sure they really appreciate it.
Have you thought about sending a condolence card?
No, I don’t think that’s necessary.
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Well that's very kind of you & I'm sure they really appreciate it.
Have you thought about sending a condolence card?
Don't spoil it now.
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George Floyd's girlfriend reveals she was Daunte Wright's TEACHER at high school in tragic link between families as she describes former pupil as 'goofy' and needing 'a lot of love'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9469603/George-Floyds-girlfriend-reveals-Daunte-Wrights-TEACHER.html
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So was this a mistake too?
https://news.sky.com/story/adam-toledo-bodycam-footage-of-13-year-old-boy-being-shot-dead-by-chicago-police-released-12276722
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So was this a mistake too?
https://news.sky.com/story/adam-toledo-bodycam-footage-of-13-year-old-boy-being-shot-dead-by-chicago-police-released-12276722
I would say unintentional and most unfortunate but again, had this youth and the man he was with not been up to something...
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I would say unintentional and most unfortunate but again, had this youth and the man he was with not been up to something...
the public have no idea how much pressure police around the world are under they go to working they could be killed for other people or by a criminal who has done many violent crimes etc and imagine the adreline police have and the fear they are human
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What's a 13 year old kid doing out on the streets at night, illegally armed?
To HELL with him, one less douchebag.
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What's a 13 year old kid doing out on the streets at night, illegally armed?
To HELL with him, one less douchebag.
Nice. It seems you think the police in America should have carte blanche to execute anyone they (and you) deem to be a "douchebag" no questions asked. You really should go and live in North Korea, it would be right up your alley, so to speak.
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I would say unintentional and most unfortunate but again, had this youth and the man he was with not been up to something...
So shooting an unarmed 13 year old in the chest as he surrenders is understandable in the circumstances in your view? The more of this that goes on the closer the USA edges to all out anarchy and civil war IMO.
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Is this a good time to say Bring Back President Trump?
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Nice. It seems you think the police in America should have carte blanche to execute anyone they (and you) deem to be a "douchebag" no questions asked. You really should go and live in North Korea, it would be right up your alley, so to speak.
His friends have paid tribute to 'lil homicide' online. He was probably a gang member. I pray the rest of his gangsta homies get met by a cop with an itchy trigger finger.
May he rest in piss.
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Is this a good time to say Bring Back President Trump?
Biden is doing a fantastic job.
He wants to chuck another $2 Trillion onto the countries $27 Trillion deficit.
He's opened the borders for Mexican gangs to bring drugs, rapists & murderers to the States.
He's pro China, anti Russia. He's a weak leader, the world knows it.
Trump was the first president to get North Korea to behave itself for a while & stop threatening war & aggressively missile testing by speaking his language & being tough enough to threaten him with nukes.
Ironically, despite the claim he was temperamental & could trigger an international conflict, he was in fact the 1st President in living memory not to start any new wars.
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So shooting an unarmed 13 year old in the chest as he surrenders is understandable in the circumstances in your view? The more of this that goes on the closer the USA edges to all out anarchy and civil war IMO.
Notice it's the bad guys who are getting shot and not usually the innocent. Police do an incredibly difficult job and get little thanks for it by a public that really doesn't know the half of. I bet I could tell you some scarey stories about what goes on.
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Biden is doing a fantastic job.
He wants to chuck another $2 Trillion onto the countries $27 Trillion deficit.
He's opened the borders for Mexican gangs to bring drugs, rapists & murderers to the States.
He's pro China, anti Russia. He's a weak leader, the world knows it.
Trump was the first president to get North Korea to behave itself for a while & stop threatening war & aggressively missile testing by speaking his language & being tough enough to threaten him with nukes.
Ironically, despite the claim he was temperamental & could trigger an international conflict, he was in fact the 1st President in living memory not to start any new wars.
The dollar is almost waste paper these days and badly needs a revaluation. It must be worth about 50p in real terms now given the amount of paper that has been printed.
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His friends have paid tribute to 'lil homicide' online. He was probably a gang member. I pray the rest of his gangsta homies get met by a cop with an itchy trigger finger.
May he rest in piss.
So can I clarify - do you think the police should just shoot to kill anyone they suspect of being a gang member or just anyone they don't like the look of and ask no questions later?
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Is this a good time to say Bring Back President Trump?
No, I'd say it was quite inflammatory. The murder rate increased by 25% in Trump's last year of office.
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So can I clarify - do you think the police should just shoot to kill anyone they suspect of being a gang member or just anyone they don't like the look of and ask no questions later?
I am anti BLM, anti-Antifa & anti Democrat.
White Republican Lives, decent, non criminal black lives & cops lives are the only lives that matter to me.
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No, I'd say it was quite inflammatory. The murder rate increased by 25% in Trump's last year of office.
You'll find that coincided with woke Democrat city leaders demonising & defunding their police.
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I got instant ban from a US forum when I pointed out that more blacks die at the hands of other blacks than they do the police. Their fear of police is irrational, they should be more afraid of each other.
This was deemed racist hate speech, despite being entirely factually accurate.
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Vertigo Swirl, if you think this shooting was bad, read about Tamir Rice, a 12 year old black kid who was playing in a park, killed by an officer in self defence. There's video of that shooting too, a shooting which was legally justified.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Tamir_Rice
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The Mayor of Minneapolis has said he doesn't think officers need to be armed during traffic stops.
So a cop is expected to approach a car, where the driver can be armed, with no means to defend himself.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/brooklyn-center-mayor-police-officers-don't-need-weapons
Video shows moment New Mexico officer killed during traffic stop when asked for rifle
https://kfoxtv.com/news/local/video-shows-moment-new-mexico-officer-killed-during-traffic-stop-when-asked-for-rifle
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You'll find that coincided with woke Democrat city leaders demonising & defunding their police.
Do you have the research showing the causal link between the two then please? Some evidence to back up such claims is always nice to have. Presumably somewhere in States there must be Republican city leaders, leading cities in which there is no crime at all...?
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Cities in parts of the U.S. that slashed their police department funding last year, in part as a result of police-involved shootings, have seen an uptick in certain crimes over the past year, according to data analyzed by Fox News.
Cities such as Los Angeles, Minneapolis, New York City, Portland, Ore., and Austin, Texas, have shifted funds from police departments to social services programs. Such cuts have led some departments to lay off officers, cancel recruiting classes or retreat from hiring goals.
As police departments were left to make do with shrunken budgets and less support, some big cities have seen sometimes drastic upticks in murders and other violent crimes, a Fox News crime analysis found.
The "defund the police" movement is not necessarily about gutting police department budgets -- though some groups have tried. And budget cuts were already expected as a result of alternate needs for funding because of the coronavirus pandemic.
Here's a look at how some of the cities have fared in terms of crime numbers from when the respective budget cuts took effect through the present day.
MINNEAPOLIS
Violent crime rates surged in 2020 after the May death of George Floyd, a Black man who was handcuffed and pleading while Derek Chauvin, a White former Minneapolis police officer, pressed his knee against his neck for more than nine minutes, as seen on moments captured on video. Chauvin is currently standing trial on murder and manslaughter charges.
Between Dec. 11, 2020, and March 28 of this year, murders in the city rose 46% – to 19 – compared to the 13 reported during the same time period last year, statistics show.
And going back further, there have been 49% more homicides since the initial budget cut in July 2020 – 58 murders between July 22, 2020, and March 28, compared to the 39 reported year-over-year.
Total violent crime in Minneapolis between July 22, 2020, and March 28 was also up 22% year-over-year – 3,692 this year compared to the 3,025 last year; the violent summer months appear to have caused such a significant increase, an analysis of Minneapolis Police Department statistics show.
The effort to defund police is largely seen as being sparked by Floyd's May 2020 death and the protests and civil unrest that followed.
In December, the Minneapolis City Council unanimously approved a budget that shifted approximately $8 million from the police department toward violence prevention and other programs. The cuts did not affect staffing level goals for sworn officers after Mayor Jacob Frey threatened to veto the budget if the council capped police staffing as it had originally intended.
The plan redirected the nearly $8 million from Frey’s $179 million policing budget to mental health teams, violence prevention programs and other initiatives.
And months earlier, in July, it diverted $1.1 million from the department’s $193 million budget to the Office of Violence Prevention for an outreach program geared toward those at high risk for gun violence.
But both are a far cry from the efforts of at least one group, MPD150, which said it was "working towards a police-free Minneapolis." The group pushed for "strategically reallocating resources, funding, and responsibility away from police and toward community-based models of safety, support, and prevention."
In June, a majority of Minneapolis City Council members said they supported disbanding the police department.
PORTLAND, OREGON
Police statistics from July 2020, when the city’s budget cuts were made, and this past February -- the most recent data available -- show homicides skyrocketed 270.6% compared to the same time last year.
There were 63 homicide offenses reported from July 2020 through Feb. 2021, but only 17 recorded from July 2019 through Feb. 2020, police data show.
In the first two months of 2021 alone, Portland reported 17 murders -- a 1,600% increase from the single murder reported during the first two months of 2020, Portland Police Bureau statistics show.
But the city also received fewer reports of assault offenses during the same time period compared to last year, records show. There were 5,767 assaults reported from July 2020 through February of this year -- down 6.4% from the 6,159 assaults recorded from July 2019 through February 2020, statistics show.
The past year, 2020, was the deadliest in the city in more than a quarter-century.
City commissioners voted in mid-June to cut nearly $16 million from the police budget in response to concerns about use of force and racial injustice.
The money saved by eliminating a gun reduction violence team, school resource officers and transit division will be redirected to social service programs.
It fell short of some protesters’ demanded cuts of $50 million for police.
Earlier this month, Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler sought $2 million in one-time funding for police, other agencies and outreach programs to try to stem rampant gun violence in the city.
As of March 8 – just days before Wheeler announced his efforts – there were 278 shootings in the Portland region, with 58 people injured from shootings and 17 gun-related homicides, the mayor’s office told The Associated Press.
Policing has gone through changes in the past year, as protesters and rioters for eight months marched in Portland streets demanding change and an end to systemic racism. The unrest was often violent and destructive and, in many instances, targeted law enforcement officers and facilities.
NEW YORK CITY
Murders in New York City are up 11.8% year-to-date as of March 21, with 76 reported this year compared to the 68 from 2020, according to NYPD crime statistics.
The number of shootings rose 40.1% in 2021, with 220 reported as of March 21 compared to the 157 recorded shootings during the same time last year. Meanwhile, the number of shooting victims during that time period jumped 39%, from 177 in 2020 to 246 in 2021, police data shows.
The New York City Council voted in July to move $1 billion away from the NYPD’s budget and instead move the money to education and social services in 2021. But protesters – who had been camped outside City Hall for days, if not weeks, at the time – and some lawmakers said the billion-dollar reduction was merely shifting police functions and did not go far enough.
Cuts came from canceling a nearly 1,200-person police recruiting class for over the summer, halving overtime spending, redeploying officers from administrative functions to patrol and ending police responsibility for school crossing guards and homeless outreach. The police department gave up control over public school security.
LOS ANGELES
While Fox News could not immediately find a month-by-month breakdown in crime statistics, the LAPD reported a 38% increase in murders in 2020, despite the coronavirus mandates that kept residents indoors.
And for 2021, murders are up 28.3% as of March 13, with 77 killings reported this year to date compared to the 60 reported during the same time in 2020, statistics show. The number of shooting victims nearly doubled, from 157 reported through March 13, 2020, compared to this year’s 303.
Aggravated assaults were also up 8.4% during this time, from 3,395 to 3,132, statistics show.
A significant decrease in the number of rapes and robberies offset those upticks. Records indicate total violent crimes as of March 13 were down 1.4% year over year.
City leaders voted in July to cut the Los Angeles Police Department budget by $150 million, reducing the number of officers to a level not seen for more than a decade.
About two-thirds of the funding was earmarked for police overtime and was instead used to provide services and programs for communities of color, including a youth summer jobs program. The City Council’s 12-2 vote will drop the number of officers from 9,988 as of June 2020 to 9,757 by summer 2021, abandoning a goal of 10,000 officers touted by political leaders and only reached in 2013.
The LAPD cut was part of a budget modification measure for the fiscal year that began July 1 and came amid the coronavirus pandemic. Months of social distancing measures, including closing many businesses, left the city with a drastically reduced tax revenue and a potential shortfall of $45 million to $409 million, according to finance department estimates obtained by The Associated Press.
AUSTIN
As of February 2021, the most recently available data showed there were 11 murders year-to-date in Austin compared to the 10 reported during the same time last year, statistics show. Meanwhile, aggravated assault reports were up 26%, from 415 reported year-to-date in 2020 compared to the 524 so far this year.
In total, the city’s reported "crimes against persons" decreased 4% this year through February, compared to the same time frame in 2020.
A month-by-month breakdown in crime statistics was not immediately available.
In August, Austin City Council unanimously voted to cut roughly one-third of the city’s $434 million police budget, slashing just over $150 million. The funds were designated to be redirected to social services in the 2021 fiscal budget, which started Oct. 1, 2020.
Austin Police Chief Brian Manley said during a press conference at the time that the budget cuts and plans to re-imagine the city’s policing would lead to changes unlike anything he had seen in his 30 years of working at the police department.
The cuts eliminated about 150 open jobs, putting staffing levels the same as in 2015, Manley said at the time. Three cadet classes were also delayed, he said.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/police-defunded-cities-murders-crime-budget
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Do you have the research showing the causal link between the two then please? Some evidence to back up such claims is always nice to have. Presumably somewhere in States there must be Republican city leaders, leading cities in which there is no crime at all...?
I never said it was the only causal factor, just that cities which either messed with their departments budgets &/or demoralised their officers didn't see any decrease in crime, quite the opposite, as one might expect.
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I never said it was the only causal factor, just that cities which either messed with their departments budgets &/or demoralised their officers didn't see any decrease in crime, quite the opposite, as one might expect.
Some evidence then that under 4 years of Trump that crime in the USA generally was showing a steady decline..?
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Some evidence then that under 4 years of Trump that crime in the USA generally was showing a steady decline..?
It wasn't.
Nor is it declining under Biden.
But get this, when there was rioting in major cities & Trump offered to send in the national guard, some cities didn't take him up on the offer. You'd be forgiven for believing people wanted the chaos, the lives it took plus the $2 billion cost of property damage.
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It wasn't.
Nor is it declining under Biden.
But get this, when there was rioting in major cities & Trump offered to send in the national guard, some cities didn't take him up on the offer. You'd be forgiven for believing people wanted the chaos, the lives it took plus the $2 billion cost of property damage.
It did reach its lowest ever rate under Obama however.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/191219/reported-violent-crime-rate-in-the-usa-since-1990/
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A different case - thankfully the guy wasn't shot. A Black army lieutenant got stopped on his way home with his new car - and the rear license plate was against the rear window, i.e. not yet screwed in. The guy didn't stop until he got to somewhere well lit (a petrol station).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktiozJt7WJQ&t=2s
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Vertigo Swirl, if you think this shooting was bad, read about Tamir Rice, a 12 year old black kid who was playing in a park, killed by an officer in self defence. There's video of that shooting too, a shooting which was legally justified.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Tamir_Rice
Do you think the shooting of the 13 year old unarmed boy surrendering was legally justified then?
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Do you think the shooting of the 13 year old unarmed boy surrendering was legally justified then?
The officers statement hasn't been released, I'd have to hear his reason, then there's a DOJ investigation, I'll read the official report.
But personally, I don't have any sympathy for the criminal, his friends or family, who clearly failed in teaching the kid not to be on the streets at 2am & not to mess with firearms.
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Watching it in real time, you can see the kid turn toward the officer as he was shot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40Nk7f9P9MA
He wasn't stood still for 5 mins surrendering.
As it happens he'd just thrown the firearm he was carrying behind the fence, then turned to surrender.
He could have dropped the gun as he was in the alley & then raised his hands, instead he wanted to hide the gun. Gun shot residue was found on his hands. Like most criminals he wanted to try & get away with it. Oh well, he won't be making that mistake again.
Watching it in real time I reckon I would have shot him aswell.
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A different case - thankfully the guy wasn't shot. A Black army lieutenant got stopped on his way home with his new car - and the rear license plate was against the rear window, i.e. not yet screwed in. The guy didn't stop until he got to somewhere well lit (a petrol station).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktiozJt7WJQ&t=2s
Whilst the cop took it way too far, the subject drove for a mile & half with lights & sirens behind him before finally pulling over. The pursuing police would naturally be suspicious & their alert level raised.
Cops can be & are killed during traffic stops, here are three instances since the start of they year.
CHAD WALKER
Trooper Chad Walker succumbed to gunshot wounds sustained five days earlier when he was ambushed while stopping to assist what he believed was a disabled vehicle near Mexia, Texas.
He was travelling on FM 2838, near U.S. Highway 84, when he observed the vehicle parked on the shoulder at about 7:45 pm. As he pulled behind the vehicle, the driver exited and opened fire with a handgun, shooting through the windshield of the patrol car before it had come to a full stop. Trooper Walker was struck in the head and abdomen.
https://www.odmp.org/officer/25217-trooper-chad-walker
DOMINIC JARED WINUM
Police Officer Nick Winum was shot and killed while conducting a traffic stop near Judy Lane at approximately 3:30 pm.
An occupant of the vehicle got out and opened fire on Officer Winum before he was able to get out of his patrol car.
https://www.odmp.org/officer/25157-police-officer-dominic-jared-winum
DARIAN JARROTT
Patrolman Darian Jarrott was shot and killed while conducting a traffic stop of a known offender on I-10 near milepost 101 in Luna County.
The driver of the vehicle was the subject of an ongoing narcotics investigation and was en route to Las Cruces to participate in a drug deal. Patrolman Jarrott was assisting members of the United States Homeland Security Investigations when he stopped the vehicle. The man opened fire on Patrolman Jarrott, fatally wounding him, before fleeing in the pickup truck.
https://www.odmp.org/officer/25110-patrolman-darian-jarrott
And this cop was shot dead when responding to the scene of an RTA.
LUIS X. SALAMÁN-CONDE
Agent Luis Salamán-Conde was shot and killed after responding to the scene of an accident on Avenida Roberto Clemente in Carolina.
Agent Salamán-Conde had responded to a vehicle crash on Avenida Roberto Clemente. One of the drivers involved in the crash opened fire on him with an AK-47 rifle, killing him
https://www.odmp.org/officer/25049-agent-luis-x-salamn-conde
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Watching it in real time, you can see the kid turn toward the officer as he was shot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40Nk7f9P9MA
He wasn't stood still for 5 mins surrendering.
As it happens he'd just thrown the firearm he was carrying behind the fence, then turned to surrender.
He could have dropped the gun as he was in the alley & then raised his hands, instead he wanted to hide the gun. Gun shot residue was found on his hands. Like most criminals he wanted to try & get away with it. Oh well, he won't be making that mistake again.
Watching it in real time I reckon I would have shot him aswell.
That makes you just as evil as any gun toting gang member then. IMO.
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That makes you just as evil as any gun toting gang member then. IMO.
I'm glad you agree the gun toting gang member was evil.
Or maybe the blessed little lamb was just out playing nocturnal cowboys & Indians with his 21 year old friend.
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I'm glad you agree the gun toting gang member was evil.
Of course they are, as are you for wanting to shoot dead 13 year old boys who have surrendered.
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Of course they are, as are you for wanting to shoot dead 13 year old boys who have surrendered.
He didn't surrender fast enough, he had to hide the evidence first.
His problem, not mine.
I side with the law, not criminals. (Christian Brueckner excluded obviously)
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On the surface, it seems it would have been easier to simply stop as requested... however, for Black people in the US, survival instinct is to get yourself somewhere well lit with a greater chance of bystanders as witnesses. There was also a contradiction in the orders: to keep his hands in the air and get out of the car. Ok, but he was wearing a seatbelt and couldn't get a word in. If he'd put his hand down to release the seatbelt without express permission, he might not have survived.
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On the surface, it seems it would have been easier to simply stop as requested... however, for Black people in the US, survival instinct is to get yourself somewhere well lit with a greater chance of bystanders as witnesses. There was also a contradiction in the orders: to keep his hands in the air and get out of the car. Ok, but he was wearing a seatbelt and couldn't get a word in. If he'd put his hand down to release the seatbelt without express permission, he might not have survived.
He could easily have released his seat belt as he pulled in. Before any weapons were drawn.
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He didn't surrender fast enough, he had to hide the evidence first.
His problem, not mine.
I side with the law, not criminals. (Christian Brueckner excluded obviously)
The police chased him on foot for 19 seconds before he threw away the gun, he turned round raised his hands in surrender and was then immediately executed. Is this how you think justice should be meted out in America? I guess you do.
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He could easily have released his seat belt as he pulled in. Before any weapons were drawn.
How was he supposed to know when weapons had been drawn?
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How was he supposed to know when weapons had been drawn?
I thought all black people knew cops were out to murder them on traffic stops or whilst just going about their daily business.
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I thought all black people knew cops were out to murder them on traffic stops or whilst just going about their daily business.
Exactly.
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Exactly.
It's not true, it's an irrational fear, unarmed blacks only get killed at a rate of roughly once a month, cops get murdered at higher rate than that.
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It's not true, it's an irrational fear, unarmed blacks only get killed at a rate of roughly once a month, cops get murdered at higher rate than that.
https://www.bmj.com/company/newsroom/fatal-police-shootings-of-unarmed-black-people-in-us-more-than-3-times-as-high-as-in-whites/
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https://www.bmj.com/company/newsroom/fatal-police-shootings-of-unarmed-black-people-in-us-more-than-3-times-as-high-as-in-whites/
Yes, the rate is higher than whites. But there are multiple reasons for this, which don't necessarily mean cops are deliberately killing unarmed blacks.
One such reason is higher crime rates in poorer areas & thus, higher police presence in them areas.
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Yes, the rate is higher than whites. But there are multiple reasons for this, which don't necessarily mean cops are deliberately killing unarmed blacks.
One such reason is higher crime rates in poorer areas & thus, higher police presence in them areas.
”in those areas”.
I thought in those liberal, black places they’d defunded the police and so there were far fewer of them?
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”in those areas”
Thanks.
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I think the best thing to do is to bring back segregation, give all blacks in the US an area of the country to live in & let them police themselves with a black only police force.
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I think the best thing to do is to bring back segregation, give all blacks in the US an area of the country to live in & let them police themselves with a black only police force.
Like the Indians?
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Like the Indians?
Interestingly, Native Americans are killed by police at a higher rate than any other ethnic group.
Yet we don't see Indian Lives Matter burning down their neighbourhoods in protest.
Maybe they should, they'll get more sympathy.
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Tim Grace, a lawyer for Stillman (the officer that shot dead 13 year old Adam Toledo), said in a statement that he had faced a “juvenile offender” who “had the gun in his right hand”. After the boy threw away the gun, he “looked at the officer, which could be interpreted as attempting to acquire a target”, he said. “At this point the officer was faced with a life-threatening and deadly force situation,” he added. “All prior attempts to de-escalate and gain compliance with all of the officer’s lawful orders had failed.”
I mean what absolute bullshit.
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It was less than 1 second between Toledo throwing away the fire arm & him turning & raising his hands & being shot.
The officer had 1 second to make that judgement call.
Like I said, I'd probably have shot him too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkB4_nIfODo
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Returning to the subject of Daunte Wright,
Daunte was all 'gangsta' no doubt, when trying to throttle a woman & rob her, as well as brandishing a fire arm in public for which he was wanted, but when the police pulled him for traffic violation.....he phoned his mummy.
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i dont know in the uk but here in australia toy shops are not allowed to sell fake guns or toy guns that look real not even cap guns etc guns like super soakers etc are fine of course
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Returning to the subject of Daunte Wright,
Daunte was all 'gangsta' no doubt, when trying to throttle a woman & rob her, as well as brandishing a fire arm in public for which he was wanted, but when the police pulled him for traffic violation.....he phoned his mummy.
Yes, they always revert to mama when the shit hits the fan.
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i dont know in the uk but here in australia toy shops are not allowed to sell fake guns or toy guns that look real not even cap guns etc guns like super soakers etc are fine of course
Toy guns in the US are required to have an illuminous orange tip.
In the shooting of Tamir Rice, the BB gun he had, it's orange tip had been removed.
In the United States, federal law and regulations indicate that all toy guns transported or imported into the country must have a 6mm-wide blaze orange tip or a blaze orange stripe 1-inch (2.54 centimeters) thick on both sides of the barrel. However, this is not required by federal law for airsoft and paintball.
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It was very hard to find these images but here is mummy's special angel on Tik Tok.
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i think the public whp bad mouth the police or say they are evil etc and other names or are scared of police have done crimes in the past
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It was less than 1 second between Toledo throwing away the fire arm & him turning & raising his hands & being shot.
The officer had 1 second to make that judgement call.
Like I said, I'd probably have shot him too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkB4_nIfODo
If you could see the 13 year old throwing the gun away why would you feel that your life was in imminent danger? If you shot him dead you would have done so with intent because you decided to be his judge jury and executioner, which is not really the kind of law enforcement most civilised people would be happy with IMO.
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If you could see the 13 year old throwing the gun away why would you feel that your life was in imminent danger? If you shot him dead you would have done so with intent because you decided to be his judge jury and executioner, which is not really the kind of law enforcement most civilised people would be happy with IMO.
Did the officer know he'd thrown the firearm in that 1 second?
It's all very well making judgements in hindsight but that isn't how things work in real time.
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Did the officer know he'd thrown the firearm in that 1 second?
It's all very well making judgements in hindsight but that isn't how things work in real time.
police officers have a right to protect themselves and go home to their families imo
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In hindsight the shooting of 12 year old Tamir Rice was also absolutely wrong.
The poor kid was playing in the park with a BB gun.
But the officer (who didn't know the subject was a juvenile, didn't know the gun was a toy) had within 2 seconds to make the judgement call.
Tamir Rice shooting video: https://youtu.be/dw0EMLM1XRI?t=501
"The department examined the facts in this case under relevant federal criminal statutes. The federal criminal statute applicable to these facts is Title 18, U.S. Code, Section 242, Deprivation of Rights Under Color of Law. In order to proceed with a prosecution under Section 242, prosecutors must establish beyond a reasonable doubt that a law enforcement officer acted willfully to deprive an individual of a federally protected right. The right implicated in this matter is the Fourth Amendment right to be free from an unreasonable seizure. This right includes the right to be free from unreasonable physical force by police. To prove that a police shooting violated the Fourth Amendment, the government must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the use of force was objectively unreasonable based on all of the surrounding circumstances. The law requires that the reasonableness of an officer’s use of force on an arrestee be judged from the perspective of a reasonable officer on the scene, rather than with added perspective of hindsight. The law set forth by the Supreme Court requires that allowances must be made for the fact that law enforcement officers are often forced to make split-second judgments in circumstances that are tense, uncertain, and rapidly evolving. Finally, caselaw establishes that an officer is permitted to use deadly force where he reasonably believes that the suspect posed an imminent threat of serious physical harm, either to the officer or to others.
Additionally, to prove that a shooting violated section 242, the government must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the officers acted willfully. This high legal standard – one of the highest standards of intent imposed by law – requires proof that the officer acted with the specific intent to do something the law forbids. It is not enough to show that the officer made a mistake, acted negligently, acted by accident or mistake, or even exercised bad judgment."
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-announces-closing-investigation-2014-officer-involved-shooting-cleveland
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Did the officer know he'd thrown the firearm in that 1 second?
It's all very well making judgements in hindsight but that isn't how things work in real time.
Are you suggesting that the cop was so short-sighted and that he couldn't see what was being recorded on his camera, ie: a young boy putting his empty hands in the air?
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Are you suggesting that the cop was so short-sighted and that he couldn't see what was being recorded on his camera, ie: a young boy putting his empty hands in the air?
I'm saying he had less than 1 second as the subject turned towards him, to make a decision, & age is totally irrelevant, the angelic young boy had just been firing a deadly weapon in public.
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Civil rights activist critical of police undergoes use of force training.
2015: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfi3Ndh3n-g
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KCPD takes reporter on a lethal force simulation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNA6hakUwmY
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I'm saying he had less than 1 second as the subject turned towards him, to make a decision, & age is totally irrelevant, the angelic young boy had just been firing a deadly weapon in public.
The only thing that is relevant is that the police officer clearly shot dead someone in the process of surrendering. That is 100% irrefutable.
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The only thing that is relevant is that the police officer clearly shot dead someone in the process of surrendering. That is 100% irrefutable.
When viewed in hindsight.
Try taking hindsight to court vs objectivity & reason.
"The law requires that the reasonableness of an officer’s use of force on an arrestee be judged from the perspective of a reasonable officer on the scene, rather than with added perspective of hindsight. The law set forth by the Supreme Court requires that allowances must be made for the fact that law enforcement officers are often forced to make split-second judgments in circumstances that are tense, uncertain, and rapidly evolving."
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When viewed in hindsight.
Try taking hindsight to court vs objectivity & reason.
"The law requires that the reasonableness of an officer’s use of force on an arrestee be judged from the perspective of a reasonable officer on the scene, rather than with added perspective of hindsight. The law set forth by the Supreme Court requires that allowances must be made for the fact that law enforcement officers are often forced to make split-second judgments in circumstances that are tense, uncertain, and rapidly evolving."
Let's leave the jury to decide whether or not the cop acted reasonably shall we, as clearly we shall not agree on this.
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Let's leave the jury to decide whether or not the cop acted reasonably shall we, as clearly we shall not agree on this.
As I understand it he hasn't even been charged with anything (yet).
What would you charge him with?
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As I understand it he hasn't even been charged with anything (yet).
What would you charge him with?
I'm not an expert in US Law but I don't think police officers are allowed to kill individuals who are surrendering to them and who pose no threat to their lives. Perhaps you know better?
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I'm not an expert in US Law but I don't think police officers are allowed to kill individuals who are surrendering to them and who pose no threat to their lives. Perhaps you know better?
Again, that's a judgement made in hindsight.
The officer was on high alert & had 1 second (8/10ths of a second according to CNN) to establish if the subject was no longer armed & if the subject was in fact surrendering as they turned toward him.
Murder in the 1st degree wouldn't stick imo, he could quite possibly claim self defence. Plus he rendered aid after firing the shot, so proving intent to kill would be difficult imo.
Murder 2, I'm not sure about. "These charges stem from instances where someone knowingly and purposefully killed someone but did so with factors that impacted their state of mind at the time of the murder."
Manslaughter "Manslaughter includes actions that result in the death of another person through reckless behavior or extreme negligence on the offender’s behalf."
I don't think the officers actions can be described as reckless or extremely negligent, when viewed in the moment as oppose to after the event
https://www.mencinilaw.com/itasca-immigration-criminal-defense-lawyer/what-are-the-different-levels-of-homicide-charges-in-illinois
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Again, that's a judgement made in hindsight.
The officer was on high alert & had 1 second (8/10ths of a second according to CNN) to establish if the subject was no longer armed & if the subject was in fact surrendering as they turned toward him.
Murder in the 1st degree wouldn't stick imo, he could quite possibly claim self defence. Plus he rendered aid after firing the shot, so proving intent to kill would be difficult imo.
Murder 2, I'm not sure about. "These charges stem from instances where someone knowingly and purposefully killed someone but did so with factors that impacted their state of mind at the time of the murder."
Manslaughter "Manslaughter includes actions that result in the death of another person through reckless behavior or extreme negligence on the offender’s behalf."
I don't think the officers actions can be described as reckless or extremely negligent, when viewed in the moment as oppose to after the event
https://www.mencinilaw.com/itasca-immigration-criminal-defense-lawyer/what-are-the-different-levels-of-homicide-charges-in-illinois
As I said it's for the court to decide but I would be surprised if the officer evades any charges at all. Having seen the video it seems a no brainer to me (unless he's another US cop whose brain takes more than 8/10ths of a second to register the lack of a gun in someone's hand).
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As I said it's for the court to decide but I would be surprised if the officer evades any charges at all. Having seen the video it seems a no brainer to me (unless he's another US cop whose brain takes more than 8/10ths of a second to register the lack of a gun in someone's hand).
Yes, because you have years of experience in chasing & apprehending armed suspects.
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Yes, because you have years of experience in chasing & apprehending armed suspects.
Once the boy started running he was basically a dead boy running wasn’t he? There was nothing he could have done from the second he decided to run to stop being executed by the police. The cop should have saved himself 19 seconds or exertion and shot him in the back, and then been awarded a medal and commendation. At least that is what should have happened in The World According To Spam. Police entiled to kill anyone they see fit to kill, no questions asked, right?
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I just read that Adam Toledo's mother claimed Adam wanted to pursue a career in law enforcement.
Perhaps I'm just a bit sceptical by nature, but hanging around with armed gang members firing pistols in the street at 2am doesn't seem conducive with that ambition.
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I just read that Adam Toledo's mother claimed Adam wanted to pursue a career in law enforcement.
Perhaps I'm just a bit sceptical by nature, but hanging around with armed gang members firing pistols in the street at 2am doesn't seem conducive with that ambition.
Why do 13 year old boys become gang members? Any ideas?
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Once the boy started running he was basically a dead boy running wasn’t he? There was nothing he could have done from the second he decided to run to stop being executed by the police. The cop should have saved himself 19 seconds or exertion and shot him in the back, and then been awarded a medal and commendation. At least that is what should have happened in The World According To Spam. Police entiled to kill anyone they see fit to kill, no questions asked, right?
If he had dropped the gun whist being pursued (rather than running towards & hiding it behind a fence) & immediately raised his hands & had stopped running whilst his back was to the officer & the officer shot him in the back, there'd obviously be very little way to justify that.
But that isn't what happened, & this homicidal cop had reportedly never shot his fire arm during active duty, which is strange considering white cops are hell bent on exterminating all the darkies.
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Why do 13 year old boys become gang members? Any ideas?
Shit parenting, crime ridden neighbourhoods, poor education, drugs, money bitches n hoe's.
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If he had dropped the gun whist being pursued (rather than running towards & hiding it behind a fence) & immediately raised his hands & had stopped running whilst his back was too the officer & the officer shot him in the back, there'd obviously be very little way to justify that.
But that isn't what happened, & this homicidal cop had reportedly never shot his fire arm during active duty, which is strange considering white cops are hell bent on exterminating all the darkies.
You are introducing a facertious argument that I have never made. If you want a serious discussion I suggest you drop it, though I suspect you’re not remotely interested in discussing this with me like an adult.
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You are introducing a facertious argument that I have never made. If you want a serious discussion I suggest you drop it, though I suspect you’re not remotely interested in discussing this with me like an adult.
You started the faeces by stating...
"The cop should have saved himself 19 seconds or exertion and shot him in the back, and then been awarded a medal and commendation. At least that is what should have happened in The World According To Spam. Police entiled to kill anyone they see fit to kill, no questions asked, right?"
So don't come at me with your claims I'm being childish in this discussion.
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Shit parenting, crime ridden neighbourhoods, poor education, drugs, money bitches n hoe's.
Or to put it another way
Children and young people associated with gangs are in general extremely vulnerable. Children may join gangs for a number of reasons:
For protection from others; gangs, groups or peers
To feel accepted or a sense of belonging
For a sense of identity
For respect
Because siblings, family members or partners are gang members
For excitement
For status amongst peers and others
Because they feel like it’s the ‘norm’
For friends and acceptance
For potential sexual/romantic partners
For financial gain and other rewards
Out of fear, intimidation or threats
As a result of being groomed or recruited by gang leaders
It’s a compex issue that requires a little more nuanced thought and understanding, beyond your ken I’m sure. Far easier to write off the dead boy as a bad ‘un who deserved everything he got.
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You started the faeces by stating...
"The cop should have saved himself 19 seconds or exertion and shot him in the back, and then been awarded a medal and commendation. At least that is what should have happened in The World According To Spam. Police entiled to kill anyone they see fit to kill, no questions asked, right?"
So don't come at me with your claims I'm being childish in this discussion.
I was being 100% serious and sincere, this is the impression you give with your posts, that cops can do no wrong and that gang members all deserve to be executed on the streets without due process.
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Or to put it another way
Children and young people associated with gangs are in general extremely vulnerable. Children may join gangs for a number of reasons:
For protection from others; gangs, groups or peers
To feel accepted or a sense of belonging
For a sense of identity
For respect
Because siblings, family members or partners are gang members
For excitement
For status amongst peers and others
Because they feel like it’s the ‘norm’
For friends and acceptance
For potential sexual/romantic partners
For financial gain and other rewards
Out of fear, intimidation or threats
As a result of being groomed or recruited by gang leaders
It’s a compex issue that requires a little more nuanced thought and understanding, beyond your ken I’m sure. Far easier to write off the dead boy as a bad ‘un who deserved everything he got.
None of that is my problem nor do I give a damn about. The gang member was his parents responsibility & they failed him.
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None of that is my problem nor do I give a damn about. The gang member was his parents responsibility & they failed him.
And that’s his fault is it?
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I was being 100% serious and sincere, this is the impression you give with your posts, that cops can do no wrong and that gang members all deserve to be executed on the streets without due process.
Yes of course all gang members & black people deserve to be killed by cops, I've made this quite clear through my unwavering support & defence of Derek Chauvin.
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And that’s his fault is it?
Well it certainly isn't mine.
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Yes of course all gang members & black people deserve to be killed by cops, I've made this quite clear through my unwavering support & defence of Derek Chauvin.
If Chauvin is found not guilty I’ve no doubt you will view it as some sort of victory.
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Well it certainly isn't mine.
Did I say it was?
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If Chauvin is found not guilty I’ve no doubt you will view it as some sort of victory.
No, I'd view it as being that one or more members of the jury were not persuaded by the evidence beyond reasonable doubt, & I'd view that with some scepticism myself, given the total objective lack of reason for kneeling on someone's neck for 9 mins whilst they plead for their life, cease breathing & expire.
But there'd be nothing I could do about it anyway, apart from march in the street & burn down tescos.
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No, I'd view it as being that one or more members of the jury were not persuaded by the evidence beyond reasonable doubt, & I'd view that with some scepticism myself, given the total objective lack of reason for kneeling on someone's neck for 9 mins whilst they plead for their life, cease breathing & expire.
But there'd be nothing I could do about it anyway, apart from march in the street & burn down tescos.
It’s strange IMO that you’re not persuaded by the right wing arguments that Chauvin was just doing his job and that Floyd died of a heart attack / drug overdose, whilst being so fully supportive of trigger happy police men and women but there we go.
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It’s strange IMO that you’re not persuaded by the right wing arguments that Chauvin was just doing his job and that Floyd died of a heart attack / drug overdose, whilst being so fully supportive of trigger happy police men and women but there we go.
I don't lump all police shootings/killings together. Some are right, some are wrong.
As with the Tamir Rice case I didn't instantly think "white cop shoots 12 year old boy" is instantly unjustifiable as on the face of it, it may appear.
I viewed the totality of evidence within the official grand jury report & reached the same conclusion they did, impossible to press charges.
Although, apparently, his parents have recently written to the AG asking for a review.
We can discuss other shootings of unarmed blacks to test your theory on my implicit bias if you like, or we could test it on unarmed whites, but they don't tend to get the same media attention, despite occurring in greater numbers.
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I don't lump all police shootings/killings together. Some are right, some are wrong.
As with the Tamir Rice case I didn't instantly think "white cop shoots 12 year old boy" is instantly unjustifiable as on the face of it, it may appear.
I viewed the totality of evidence within the official grand jury report & reached the same conclusion they did, impossible to press charges.
Although, apparently, his parents have recently written to the AG asking for a review.
We can discuss other shootings of unarmed blacks to test your theory on my implicit bias if you like, or we could test it on unarmed whites, but they don't tend to get the same media attention, despite occurring in greater numbers.
If you tell me you are completely unbiased along racial lines then I believe you completely, no need to test. You’ve always struck me as completely fair and unbiased when it comes to people of all race, colour and creed.
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If you tell me you are completely unbiased along racial lines then I believe you completely, no need to test. You’ve always struck me as completely fair and unbiased when it comes to people of all race, colour and creed.
Of course I'm racist, I'm very proud to be racist, why the hell shouldn't I be? My body, my choice.
But please, do show me evidence that race has affected my judgement in the Floyd, Wright or Toledo case.
Because I believe I'd be equally critical of their stupidity if they were White, Arab, Chinese or Space Aliens.
Stupid isn't racist, it affects all colours.
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Of course I'm racist, I'm very proud to be racist, why the hell shouldn't I be? My body, my choice.
But please, do show me evidence that race has affected my judgement in the Floyd, Wright or Toledo case.
Because I believe I'd be equally critical of their stupidity if they were White, Arab, Chinese or Space Aliens.
Stupid isn't racist, it affects all colours.
That’s why I don’t understand your stance on the Wright and Toledo shootings. Both seemed to have been carried out by police who shot off their weapons before engaging their brains, IMO. I would be equally critical of them if both cops had been black btw, socrace is a secondary issue for me as far as these cases are concerned.
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PS: separate issue but why are you proud to be racist? What do you think is admirable about racism?
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That’s why I don’t understand your stance on the Wright and Toledo shootings. Both seemed to have been carried out by police who shot off their weapons before engaging their brains, IMO. I would be equally critical of them if both cops had been black btw, socrace is a secondary issue for me as far as these cases are concerned.
In the Daunte Wright case there is no reason to believe the officer intended to kill him imo.
By the looks of the video & judging by her reaction she made a terrible mistake & she isn't the first officer in history to have mistaken their fire arm for a tazer, despite their material differences.
In the Toledo shooting, as I've stated repeatedly, the officer had less than one second reaction time.
Both killings shouldn't have happened, true, but both circumstances are being viewed by us with the comfortable benefit of arm chairs & hindsight & not with us having been in the officers situation under pressure in them precise moments.
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PS: separate issue but why are you proud to be racist? What do you think is admirable about racism?
I told you before, I do not conform.
There is too much anti-racism in society & I will not be told what opinions I can have.
If the world were more racist, I'd be anti-racist.
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In the Daunte Wright case there is no reason to believe the officer intended to kill him imo.
By the looks of the video & judging by her reaction she made a terrible mistake & she isn't the first officer in history to have mistaken their fire arm for a tazer, despite their material differences.
In the Toledo shooting, as I've stated repeatedly, the officer had less than one second reaction time.
Both killings shouldn't have happened, true, but both circumstances are being viewed by us with the comfortable benefit of arm chairs & hindsight & not with us having been in the officers situation under pressure in them precise moments.
And that’s all I’m saying. Plus, professional mistakes with serious consequences for others should in most cases not go unpunished in some way IMO.
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I told you before, I do not conform.
There is too much anti-racism in society & I will not be told what opinions I can have.
If the world were more racist, I'd be anti-racist.
IMO that is absurdly childish.
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IMO that is absurdly childish.
That's your opinion.
My opinion is I have an individual right to freedom of thought & I will not surrender to state & societal imposed thought policing.
I will not support the LGBT community, I like global warming & I reserve the right to believe the holocaust was exaggerated.
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That's your opinion.
My opinion is I have an individual right to freedom of thought & I will not surrender to state & societal imposed thought policing.
I will not support the LGBT community, I like global warming & I reserve the right to believe the holocaust was exaggerated.
It’s petulant foot-stamping but please do carry on, for the good it will do you or anyone else.
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Daunte Wright and George Floyd: another chapter in America’s recurring tragedy
The latest instance of a Black man killed by a police officer added fuel to the fire already burning in Minneapolis
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/apr/17/daunte-wright-george-floyd-americas-recurring-tragedy
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I read this article fully expecting it would mention two police shootings of black youths that I'm quite familiar with. Michael Brown & Tamir Rice.
I wasn't in the least bit surprised to find their names feature in the article & the apparent dismay at the lack of criminal charges in both cases, as if this were some kind of injustice.
Well, unlike these Guardian reporters, I've actually read the official DOJ reports on both cases, & in both cases it is quite clear, following extensive investigation, there were no legal grounds for prosecution.
BLM & the likes of liberal media will forever be calling for justice for Mike Brown & Tamir Rice, because they are deliberately ignorant of the evidence in each case & of the law permitting use of deadly force in self defence.
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Do cops really need guns during routine traffic stops?
San Antonio police officer wounded and two people dead after shooting during traffic stop, police say
Two people are dead and police officer was wounded after a traffic stop Friday ended in gunfire, according to the San Antonio police chief.
A fourth person was wounded and has been hospitalized, Chief William McManus said during a brief news conference, noting that his information was preliminary.
Based on his review of the body camera footage, McManus said a San Antonio officer made a traffic stop and had what appeared to be a casual conversation with the driver of the truck for a few minutes.
The driver then pulled a gun for unknown reasons and opened fire, hitting the officer in the hand, McManus said.
The officer retreated backwards while returning fire, killing both the driver and a passenger, and wounding another passenger in the upper torso. Multiple rounds were fired by both the person inside the vehicle and the officer, according to the chief.
The chief said he did not know what prompted the officer to pull the truck over.
"He was an officer patrolling here, (a) routine traffic stop, which turned out to be not so routine after all," McManus said.
Those killed are believed to be males in their mid-to-late 20s, McManus said.
The officer, a five-year veteran, was taken to a hospital. McManus said he had no information on his condition other than he was able to talk.
"I will also say that the officer is very, very lucky to be alive at that close range, having been shot in the hand, and not somewhere else more vital," McManus said.
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/04/16/us/san-antonio-police-shooting-traffic-stop/index.html
There's no mention of race in this article, presumably then, the car occupants have either not been identified, or they're white, & as such, their skin colour doesn't warrant attention, unless they shot someone black.
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Daunte Wright and George Floyd: another chapter in America’s recurring tragedy
The latest instance of a Black man killed by a police officer added fuel to the fire already burning in Minneapolis
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/apr/17/daunte-wright-george-floyd-americas-recurring-tragedy
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I read this article fully expecting it would mention two police shootings of black youths that I'm quite familiar with. Michael Brown & Tamir Rice.
I wasn't in the least bit surprised to find their names feature in the article & the apparent dismay at the lack of criminal charges in both cases, as if this were some kind of injustice.
Well, unlike these Guardian reporters, I've actually read the official DOJ reports on both cases, & in both cases it is quite clear, following extensive investigation, there were no legal grounds for prosecution.
BLM & the likes of liberal media will forever be calling for justice for Mike Brown & Tamir Rice, because they are deliberately ignorant of the evidence in each case & of the law permitting use of deadly force in self defence.
Reluctantly, I have to agree with you, although not on all things.
Sorry if this is patronising, but I am impressed. You actually can Comment with interest to the discussion, so you actually aren't as idiotic as you sometimes pretend to be.
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Reluctantly, I have to agree with you, although not on all things.
Sorry if this is patronising, but I am impressed. You actually can Comment with interest to the discussion, so you actually aren't as idiotic as you sometimes pretend to be.
Thanks, American politics, police practice & use of deadly force is something I've always had an interest in.
The country is in big trouble, senior elected democrats & media are openly unsupportive of law enforcement & some are even intent on abolishing the police.
American officers are under serious threat of death every day of their active duty, more so than the average UK officer because of guns, but also because of the virulent anti police rhetoric being spread by democrats, black lives matter & antifa.
American policing does need reform, that seems pretty undeniable, but demonising the police is not helpful to anyone. Defunding the police is not a solution either & no police at all is just utter stupidity.
Police officers need to be vetted more thoroughly before employment, they need to undergo more rigorous use of force & de-escalation training at more regular intervals as well as psych evaluations.
Body cameras should be used in all states by all officers at all times (except when an officer has a wee) & officers should never be expected to patrol alone.
The main problem in America right now isn't policing imo, it's the degradation of decent society & crime.
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Thanks, American politics, police practice & use of deadly force is something I've always had an interest in.
The country is in big trouble, senior elected democrats & media are openly unsupportive of law enforcement & some are even intent on abolishing the police.
American officers are under serious threat of death every day of their active duty, more so than the average UK officer because of guns, but also because of the virulent anti police rhetoric being spread by democrats, black lives matter & antifa.
American policing does need reform, that seems pretty undeniable, but demonising the police is not helpful to anyone. Defunding the police is not a solution either & no police at all is just utter stupidity.
Police officers need to be vetted more thoroughly before employment, they need to undergo more rigorous use of force & de-escalation training at more regular intervals as well as psych evaluations.
Body cameras should be used in all states by all officers at all times (except when an officer has a wee) & officers should never be expected to patrol alone.
The main problem in America right now isn't policing imo, it's the degradation of decent society & crime.
Indiscriminate use of Guns. That's the thing. Some God given right as far as I understand, although I do know from whence it came to The American Constitution. I just can't be bothered to explain.
They will have to go on killing each other, until someone comes to their senses.
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Thanks, American politics, police practice & use of deadly force is something I've always had an interest in.
The country is in big trouble, senior elected democrats & media are openly unsupportive of law enforcement & some are even intent on abolishing the police.
American officers are under serious threat of death every day of their active duty, more so than the average UK officer because of guns, but also because of the virulent anti police rhetoric being spread by democrats, black lives matter & antifa.
American policing does need reform, that seems pretty undeniable, but demonising the police is not helpful to anyone. Defunding the police is not a solution either & no police at all is just utter stupidity.
Police officers need to be vetted more thoroughly before employment, they need to undergo more rigorous use of force & de-escalation training at more regular intervals as well as psych evaluations.
Body cameras should be used in all states by all officers at all times (except when an officer has a wee) & officers should never be expected to patrol alone.
The main problem in America right now isn't policing imo, it's the degradation of decent society & crime.
Hard to disagree with any of that except the last sentence. The situation in America vis a vis violent crime is an optimistic one in that murder and violent crime has been on a serious downward trajectory for years, quite the opposite to what is portrayed in the media, particularly the right wing media.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/191219/reported-violent-crime-rate-in-the-usa-since-1990/
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The Independent has just deleted my comment from it's article for allegedly violating community guidelines.
Here was the comment:
"Tamir Rice was shot in legally justifiable self defence. (Read the DOJ report.) Trayvon Martin was assaulting Zimmerman when he shot him in self defence. There was a trial, Zimmerman was found not guilty. Justice was served."
Can anyone spot the violation here because I really am at a loss?
The comment was entirely factually accurate, but perhaps unpalatable for anyone who supports BLM.
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Hard to disagree with any of that except the last sentence. The situation in America vis a vis violent crime is an optimistic one in that murder and violent crime has been on a serious downward trajectory for years, quite the opposite to what is portrayed in the media, particularly the right wing media.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/191219/reported-violent-crime-rate-in-the-usa-since-1990/
Thanks, during that time I believe police spending & number of officers expanded year on year, along with the introduction of new procedures, body cameras, tazers etc etc
I've read arguments that there is no connection between expansion of policing & reduction of crime, but I think that would be somewhat naive myself. Would crime have decreased if number of officers & police budgets were being continually cut?
I guess we'll find out if BLM have their way.
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Thanks, during that time I believe police spending & number of officers expanded year on year, along with the introduction of new procedures, body cameras, tazers etc etc
I've read arguments that there is no connection between expansion of policing & reduction of crime, but I think that would be somewhat naive myself. Would crime have decreased if number of officers & police budgets were being continually cut?
I guess we'll find out if BLM have their way.
Do you know exactly what the aims and objectives of BLM are - to increase crime and murder on the streets of the USA? Whilst I don't support their cause I find it hard to believe that this is their objective as the people most likely to suffer are those whose lives they most care about.
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The majority of Black Americans are against defunding the police according to this research
https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2020/07/09/majority-of-public-favors-giving-civilians-the-power-to-sue-police-officers-for-misconduct/
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Do you know exactly what the aims and objectives of BLM are - to increase crime and murder on the streets of the USA? Whilst I don't support their cause I find it hard to believe that this is their objective as the people most likely to suffer are those whose lives they most care about.
BLM's objective is to live in luxury homes in predominantly white areas by ambulance chasing & profiting from the deaths of black people.
https://nypost.com/2021/04/10/inside-blm-co-founder-patrisse-khan-cullors-real-estate-buying-binge/
Try posting that link into Facebook. They have banned it!
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BLM's objective is to buy luxury homes in predominantly white areas by ambulance chasing & profiting from the deaths of black people.
https://nypost.com/2021/04/10/inside-blm-co-founder-patrisse-khan-cullors-real-estate-buying-binge/
Try posting that link into Facebook. They have banned it!
I guess you'd need to be able to show that the following is a pack of lies, with proof before anyone can take the allegations of profiteering and enrichment off the back of dead black people too seriously.
the Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation issued the following statement to The Post:
“Patrisse Cullors is the Executive Director of Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation (BLMGNF). She serves in this role in a volunteer capacity and does not receive a salary or benefits. Patrisse has received a total of $120,000 since the organization’s inception in 2013, for duties such as serving as spokesperson and engaging in political education work. Patrisse did not receive any compensation after 2019.
“To be abundantly clear, as a registered 501c3, BLMGNF cannot and did not commit any organizational resources toward the purchase of personal property by any employee or volunteer. Any insinuation or assertion to the contrary is categorically false.
“Patrisse’s work for Black people over the years has made her and others who align with the fight for Black liberation targets of racist violence. The narratives being spread about Patrisse have been generated by right-wing forces intent on reducing the support and influence of a movement that is larger than any one organization. This right-wing offensive not only puts Patrisse, her child and her loved ones in harm’s way, it also continues a tradition of terror by white supremacists against Black activists. All Black activists know the fear these malicious and serious actions are meant to instill: the fear of being silenced, the trauma of being targeted, the torture of feeling one’s family is exposed to danger just for speaking out against unjust systems. We have seen this tactic of terror time and again, but our movement will not be silenced.”
So, notwithstanding the allegation of personal enrichment, what are the actual stated aims of BLM?
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I guess you'd need to be able to show that the following is a pack of lies, with proof before anyone can take the allegations of profiteering and enrichment off the back of dead black people too seriously.
the Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation issued the following statement to The Post:
“Patrisse Cullors is the Executive Director of Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation (BLMGNF). She serves in this role in a volunteer capacity and does not receive a salary or benefits. Patrisse has received a total of $120,000 since the organization’s inception in 2013, for duties such as serving as spokesperson and engaging in political education work. Patrisse did not receive any compensation after 2019.
“To be abundantly clear, as a registered 501c3, BLMGNF cannot and did not commit any organizational resources toward the purchase of personal property by any employee or volunteer. Any insinuation or assertion to the contrary is categorically false.
“Patrisse’s work for Black people over the years has made her and others who align with the fight for Black liberation targets of racist violence. The narratives being spread about Patrisse have been generated by right-wing forces intent on reducing the support and influence of a movement that is larger than any one organization. This right-wing offensive not only puts Patrisse, her child and her loved ones in harm’s way, it also continues a tradition of terror by white supremacists against Black activists. All Black activists know the fear these malicious and serious actions are meant to instill: the fear of being silenced, the trauma of being targeted, the torture of feeling one’s family is exposed to danger just for speaking out against unjust systems. We have seen this tactic of terror time and again, but our movement will not be silenced.”
Her own supporters are asking questions of BLM & where the money is going.
'How much of her money is actually going to charitable causes?' Head of NYC BLM chapter calls for probe into organization's co-founder as it's revealed 'she has spent $3MILLION on FOUR luxury homes'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9458259/Head-NYCs-BLM-chapter-calls-probe-founder-purchased-expensive-homes.html
Here's Mike Brown's Father who claims to have received the princely sum of $500 from BLM:
'Why hasn't my family's foundation received any assistance from the movement?'
'Who are they giving it to and what are they doing with it?'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9325837/Michael-Browns-father-Ferguson-activists-demand-20m-BLM.html
Tamir Rice's Mother has accused them of profiting from the dead...
Black Lives Matter activists denounced by mothers of victims for exploiting deaths of Tamir Rice and others killed by police
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2021/03/20/blma-m20.html
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Her own supporters are asking questions of BLM & where the money is going.
'How much of her money is actually going to charitable causes?' Head of NYC BLM chapter calls for probe into organization's co-founder as it's revealed 'she has spent $3MILLION on FOUR luxury homes'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9458259/Head-NYCs-BLM-chapter-calls-probe-founder-purchased-expensive-homes.html
Here's Mike Brown's Father who claims to have received the princely sum of $500 from BLM:
'Why hasn't my family's foundation received any assistance from the movement?'
'Who are they giving it to and what are they doing with it?'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9325837/Michael-Browns-father-Ferguson-activists-demand-20m-BLM.html
Tamir Rice's Mother has accused them of profiting from the dead...
Black Lives Matter activists denounced by mothers of victims for exploiting deaths of Tamir Rice and others killed by police
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2021/03/20/blma-m20.html
So no actual evidence just suspicions, well I guess if the right-wing mud sticks then you have nothing to worry about. Support for BLM will fade away and all will be well again. Most ardent, strident socialists are terrible hypocrites as well, that's a given, bleating on about poverty and injustice while boasting about their expensive designer handbags and looking down their noses at White Van Man and people who shop in Aldi and Lidl.
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So no actual evidence just suspicions, well I guess if the right-wing mud sticks then you have nothing to worry about. Support for BLM will fade away and all will be well again. Most ardent, strident socialists are terrible hypocrites as well, that's a given, bleating on about poverty and injustice while boasting about their expensive designer handbags and looking down their noses at White Van Man and people who shop in Aldi and Lidl.
I very much doubt the head of the NYC BLM chapter is right wing & he has his questions about BLM funds.
BLM raised over $90 million last year.
Where are the Black Lives Matter community centres????
They exploited the death of Mike Brown since 2014 & gave his fathers local organisation $500 in return.
Ferguson Missouri was looted & burned to the ground, businesses are still too afraid to open there. (Can't say I blame them though, one dead black person you had no involvement in killing & your shop is toast).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXeIYoVGBPM
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I very much doubt the head of the NYC BLM chapter is right wing & he has his questions about BLM funds.
BLM raised over $90 million last year.
Where are the Black Lives Matter community centres????
They exploited the death of Mike Brown since 2014 & gave his fathers local organisation $500 in return.
Ferguson Missouri was looted & burned to the ground, businesses are still too afraid to open there. (Can't say I blame them though, one dead black person you had no involvement in killing & your shop is toast).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXeIYoVGBPM
Curious to know why you care so much about this? It will all come out in the wash. It usually does. As it impacts precisely 0% on my life I find it hard to get that aereated about it tbh.
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Curious to know why you care so much about this? It will all come out in the wash. It usually does. As it impacts precisely 0% on my life I find it hard to get that aereated about it tbh.
It's just an interest of mine.
The rioting & mob justice mentality of mostly peaceful protesters chanting Black Lives Matter, whilst burning down black owned businesses.
It's going to be an interesting week, as we can expect a verdict in the Chauvin case.
Will there be riots, or will the conviction of Chauvin for the highest possible charge be the catalyst for peace, love & harmony between criminals & the law?
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I very much doubt the head of the NYC BLM chapter is right wing & he has his questions about BLM funds.
BLM raised over $90 million last year.
Where are the Black Lives Matter community centres????
They exploited the death of Mike Brown since 2014 & gave his fathers local organisation $500 in return.
Ferguson Missouri was looted & burned to the ground, businesses are still too afraid to open there. (Can't say I blame them though, one dead black person you had no involvement in killing & your shop is toast).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXeIYoVGBPM
The United States of America is the architect of its own demise. This has been building for decades and they did nothing about it. Let's hope the UK government don't make the same mistake.