Dog Alerts- Evidence or not?

[The General]

I don't know why the keep showing these video's of cadaver dogs alerting to the smell of cadaver,  that is what they are trained to alert to unlike Eddie who was trained with pig.   Any dog will find a decomposing body,  the whole idea of cadaver dogs is that they will alert to the body instead of digging it up and damaging the evidence.

The problem is with Eddie having been trained on pig decomposing flesh,  he will only alert when the flesh is in its last stages of decomposition as this is the time when a pig will give off the same gas as a human cadaver.

Eddie wouldn't have been alerting to cadaver scent in 5a as there is no way Madeleine would have been left to decompose to the state that Eddie would alert to.

I mean, where do you start? Can you provide cites for any of the many assumptions / assertions in this post?

[G-Unit]

I don't know why the keep showing these video's of cadaver dogs alerting to the smell of cadaver,  that is what they are trained to alert to unlike Eddie who was trained with pig.   Any dog will find a decomposing body,  the whole idea of cadaver dogs is that they will alert to the body instead of digging it up and damaging the evidence.

The problem is with Eddie having been trained on pig decomposing flesh,  he will only alert when the flesh is in its last stages of decomposition as this is the time when a pig will give off the same gas as a human cadaver.

Eddie wouldn't have been alerting to cadaver scent in 5a as there is no way Madeleine would have been left to decompose to the state that Eddie would alert to.

Eddie alerted to the scent of Attracta Harron's remains in a bedroom. She was there for one hour after being killed and before being disposed of. She was in the very early stages of decomposition, so you appear to have been misinformed.

[Mr Gray]

Eddie alerted to the scent of Attracta Harron's remains in a bedroom. She was there for one hour after being killed and before being disposed of. She was in the very early stages of decomposition, so you appear to have been misinformed.

utter speculation.....cite for this...i think you are the one who is mistaken

[Brietta]

Eddie alerted to the scent of Attracta Harron's remains in a bedroom. She was there for one hour after being killed and before being disposed of. She was in the very early stages of decomposition, so you appear to have been misinformed.

I have seen it recorded that Eddie alerted to blood in a burnt out vehicle ... do you have a cite for the alert in the bedroom in what from the details given in court was a violent and bloody crime?

[The General]

Hang on, I asked for cites first. Get in line.

[G-Unit]

utter speculation.....cite for this...i think you are the one who is mistaken

Further searches identified a location where the EVRD alerted in the front bedroom of the offender's empty next door dwelling house.
When interviewed the suspect admitted that the body had laid in the room for 1 hour prior to disposal. Forensic teams were unable to extract any forensic evidence despite being shown the exact position.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES_PERSONAL.htm

[The General]

Further searches identified a location where the EVRD alerted in the front bedroom of the offender's empty next door dwelling house.
When interviewed the suspect admitted that the body had laid in the room for 1 hour prior to disposal. Forensic teams were unable to extract any forensic evidence despite being shown the exact position.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES_PERSONAL.htm

What a good boy. Eddie, not Martin. No, to hell with it, Martin too. Good boys.

[Mr Gray]

Further searches identified a location where the EVRD alerted in the front bedroom of the offender's empty next door dwelling house.
When interviewed the suspect admitted that the body had laid in the room for 1 hour prior to disposal. Forensic teams were unable to extract any forensic evidence despite being shown the exact position.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES_PERSONAL.htm

two points....it says the body lay there for an hour...doesnt say she was murdered there
eddie could have reacted to her blood ...not cadaver
the scent could have been later contamination by the murderer

this alert does not confirm any reliable evidence of PM interval

[Brietta]

Further searches identified a location where the EVRD alerted in the front bedroom of the offender's empty next door dwelling house.
When interviewed the suspect admitted that the body had laid in the room for 1 hour prior to disposal. Forensic teams were unable to extract any forensic evidence despite being shown the exact position.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES_PERSONAL.htm

There was no mention of this 'alert' in court unlike the alert in the vehicle because there were no forensics to verify it.

Mrs Harron's death was violent and bloody enough to leave physical trace in a burnt out vehicle.

[G-Unit]

There was no mention of this 'alert' in court unlike the alert in the vehicle because there were no forensics to verify it.

Mrs Harron's death was violent and bloody enough to leave physical trace in a burnt out vehicle.

It still happened and the suspect confirmed the body had been there.

[Brietta]

It still happened and the suspect confirmed the body had been there.

But there was no evidence that Mrs Harron's body had lain there ... therefore that alleged alert was not presented in court.

Interestingly the court was told that Mrs Harron's murderer refused to divulge any crime details during police interviews.

[Lace]

Eddie alerted to the scent of Attracta Harron's remains in a bedroom. She was there for one hour after being killed and before being disposed of. She was in the very early stages of decomposition, so you appear to have been misinformed.

Eddie alerted to the scent of Attracta Harron's remains in a bedroom?  You know this do you,  did Eddie tell you?  Eddie alerts to BLOOD too remember. 

I have been misinformed,  well tell that to the scientists who did the experiments.

[Lace]

I mean, where do you start? Can you provide cites for any of the many assumptions / assertions in this post?

I have given the cites before.

There are stages of decomposition.   Gases are given off in each one of the stages.   Each stage smells differently.

So how long had the piglets that Grime trained Eddie with been dead?

[Mr Gray]

But there was no evidence that Mrs Harron's body had lain there ... therefore that alleged alert was not presented in court.

Interestingly the court was told that Mrs Harron's murderer refused to divulge any crime details during police interviews.

ferryman showed another claim in Eddies CV was false. Something to do with a button in another case

[pathfinder73]

The second witness was Martin Grime of the United Kingdom. He is occasionally contracted by the U.S. government and is a qualified expert in cadaver dogs.

Grime displayed five videos of his search dog “Eddie,” trained to search for human decomposition. The videos, filmed at the LaFayette Police Department during September 2007, displayed the dog’s ability to pick up on alert scents

There is a lot of documented footage showcasing Eddie's skills so no need to worry when this case goes to trial