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Offline jassi

Re: ECHR urge McCanns to reach friendly settlement with Gonçalo Amaral.
« Reply #180 on: March 31, 2021, 12:38:15 PM »
Where does The ECHR say that The McCanns have to accept a reasonable offer?  And how do The ECHR define Reasonable?

Whatever they think fit, I imagine.

To refuse a 'reasonable' offer might be seen as petulant.
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Offline Eleanor

Re: ECHR urge McCanns to reach friendly settlement with Gonçalo Amaral.
« Reply #181 on: March 31, 2021, 12:43:04 PM »
Whatever they think fit, I imagine.

So we are all nowhere on a hiding to nothing.  Unless Portugal admit that they got it wrong.

Offline jassi

Re: ECHR urge McCanns to reach friendly settlement with Gonçalo Amaral.
« Reply #182 on: March 31, 2021, 12:47:50 PM »
As I understand it, the ECHR have the final say, against which there is no appeal by anyone.
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Offline Eleanor

Re: ECHR urge McCanns to reach friendly settlement with Gonçalo Amaral.
« Reply #183 on: March 31, 2021, 12:53:25 PM »
As I understand it, the ECHR have the final say, against which there is no appeal by anyone.

What is the point of going to The European Court of Human Rights if ones Human Rights are to be ignored?

Offline jassi

Re: ECHR urge McCanns to reach friendly settlement with Gonçalo Amaral.
« Reply #184 on: March 31, 2021, 12:58:40 PM »
What is the point of going to The European Court of Human Rights if ones Human Rights are to be ignored?

They won't be ignored. A judgement will be made.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: ECHR urge McCanns to reach friendly settlement with Gonçalo Amaral.
« Reply #185 on: March 31, 2021, 01:07:19 PM »
I don't see how in this case no admission of liability could be seen as reasonable. If it were then it would allow a Amaral carte blanched to repeat his claims leaving the McCanns with no redress

Offline G-Unit

Re: ECHR urge McCanns to reach friendly settlement with Gonçalo Amaral.
« Reply #186 on: March 31, 2021, 01:08:23 PM »
In the case you quoted the claimant must have agreed to no admission of liability and happy to being compensated. We don't know what would have happened if they had objected

We don't know, but if they had refused the offer then their application could have;

Been struck out if the ECHR decided they had refused a reasonable offer.
Been struck out as inadmissible.
Been continued to the contentious phase.

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Offline Mr Gray

Re: ECHR urge McCanns to reach friendly settlement with Gonçalo Amaral.
« Reply #187 on: March 31, 2021, 01:10:24 PM »
We don't know, but if they had refused the offer then their application could have;

Been struck out if the ECHR decided they had refused a reasonable offer.
Been struck out as inadmissible.
Been continued to the contentious phase.

You quoted this case in support of the idea that the ECHR found it reasonable not to admit liability.. It doesnt

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: ECHR urge McCanns to reach friendly settlement with Gonçalo Amaral.
« Reply #188 on: March 31, 2021, 01:21:26 PM »
We don't know, but if they had refused the offer then their application could have;

Been struck out if the ECHR decided they had refused a reasonable offer.
Been struck out as inadmissible.
Been continued to the contentious phase.
and what if Portugal refuses to make an offer, would that be seen as reasonable?
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Offline jassi

Re: ECHR urge McCanns to reach friendly settlement with Gonçalo Amaral.
« Reply #189 on: March 31, 2021, 01:21:47 PM »
We don't know, but if they had refused the offer then their application could have;

Been struck out if the ECHR decided they had refused a reasonable offer.
Been struck out as inadmissible.
Been continued to the contentious phase.

Would the admissibility not have been determined before moving to reasonable offer ?
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Offline G-Unit

Re: ECHR urge McCanns to reach friendly settlement with Gonçalo Amaral.
« Reply #190 on: March 31, 2021, 01:52:24 PM »
What is the point of going to The European Court of Human Rights if ones Human Rights are to be ignored?

People apply to the ECHR because they believe their human rights have been breached. There are no guarantees that the ECHR will agree with them.
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Offline G-Unit

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« Reply #191 on: March 31, 2021, 02:09:39 PM »
I don't see how in this case no admission of liability could be seen as reasonable. If it were then it would allow a Amaral carte blanched to repeat his claims leaving the McCanns with no redress

That's because you agree with the McCanns opinions. The ECHR may agree with them, but it may not.
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Offline Mr Gray

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« Reply #192 on: March 31, 2021, 02:21:53 PM »
That's because you agree with the McCanns opinions. The ECHR may agree with them, but it may not.

You're stating opinion as fact and you are quite wrong. My opinion is based on sound logic not confirmation bias.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: ECHR urge McCanns to reach friendly settlement with Gonçalo Amaral.
« Reply #193 on: March 31, 2021, 02:31:55 PM »
Would the admissibility not have been determined before moving to reasonable offer ?

The first test is whether the application is admissible. Such things as applying within the time limits, having exhausted domestic remedies, and making sure that the application concerns human rights are examined. It's not clear to me who does this or when.

What is clear is that a decision on admissibility doesn't mean that a decision on the merits of the application has been reached.

The Court always encourages parties
to negotiate a friendly settlement. If no
agreement is reached the Court will proceed
to examine the merits of the application.
https://www.echr.coe.int/Documents/50Questions_ENG.pdf
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Offline Eleanor

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« Reply #194 on: March 31, 2021, 03:13:57 PM »
People apply to the ECHR because they believe their human rights have been breached. There are no guarantees that the ECHR will agree with them.

That wasn't what I meant.  But never mind.