Website that analyses the Anni Dewani murder in detail

[Passer-by]

I guess that's case closed then. We have the findings of forensic genius, Passer-by.

It is the case closed:  Dewani was acquitted.

So when are you going to change your name to reflect your alleged fight for 'justice' for the other 3?  And when are you going to post any links to a petition, South African Ministers, campaign groups etc concerning those 3?

It's plain as a pike staff you're a mate of Dewani or Dewani himself trying to throw up a smokescreen to hide all the facts about Dewani's behaviour that caste him in a bad light.

*ouch!*  'cast' - typo, obviously - don't want you getting that racism card out again! 

[Passer-by]

Strangely too, it was the kitchen gloves worn by Qwabe that had the gunshot residue on them yet he claimed that it was Mngeni who shot Anni?

 I think you need to ask Dewanifacts for statistics on how many rapists wear kitchen gloves.

[dewanifacts]

The finger marks on Anni's lower left leg indicate that she was restrained before her death according to the Judge's report.  That in itself could indicate an attempted rape which went badly wrong when the gun was discharged.  Anyone any views on this?

I don't think there is anything more to add, other than what you have already stated. It's possible but we don't really know.

The only person who will ever be able to shed light is Qwabe.

[Passer-by]

I don't think there is anything more to add, other than what you have already stated. It's possible but we don't really know.

The only person who will ever be able to shed light is Qwabe.

Just as we don't really know whether Dewani traded gold jewelry for cash in the illegal money exchange and then gave an unspecified sum of it to Tongo before the hit:  the only the only people able to shed light on that are Tongo and Dewani.

Personally, I think the shop assistant who made a statement saying he traded gold was the only witness with no reason to lie.

[Passer-by]

One of the big unknowns (and this will be added to our site now I think about it) is what exactly caused Qwabe to change his story at 5:21pm on the 18th November. Its likely that SAPS played a role. Did a policeman come straight out and say to Qwabe and Mbolombo "you're f**ked but we can show you a way out of this. Help us nail the husband"? 

It is precisely these types of details that SAPS and the NPA do not want aired and that is what would happen if Mbolombo was prosecuted.

At best, SAPS were stupid, blind, negligent and allowed themselves to be played by criminals.

At worst, SAPS wilfully tried to frame an innocent man who also happened to have been a victim of a horrible crime.

I am sure that Passerby and many others think he deserved it because he's gay gay and oh so gay. Speaking of that topic, I wonder if Dewani's email address was one of those compromised in the Ashley Madison hack!

Christ:  just noticed you're now playing the Homophobic card as well?!

I've made it clear from the start - I actually said as much at the start of this thread - that his sexuality in itself is irrelevant, it's the fact that he was lying by omission by not declaring it that is the problem:  it is a motive for murder.

Likewise it is relevant that a man who claimed he was too upset by Anni's death to answer questions how he got out of the car was posting messages in gay bondage chat rooms 3 days after she died.  We can look at Anni's father to see grief in action:  I wonder if he was surfing gay bondage sites?

And the finally, we have the fact that a gay prostitute himself thought Dewani's gayness was so important he volunteered to be cross examined in court about it. Let me guess:  you think the gay hooker was homophobic do you?!

What a klutz.  Racism card, homophobia card, posting a photo of an erect cock in reply to a factual post by me:  I guess you're getting a bit desperate?

[dewanifacts]

Passer-by. I am trying not to engage with you but you have mentioned gold jewellery a few times now. The only suggestion that gold jewellery was traded has come from you. Never seen the claim made anywhere else.

The facts are these. Dewani said he changed Sterling into Rand. The shop owner testified that he changed $US for Rand. The shop owner may or may not have an incentive to lie considering she was doing a trade that she wasn't technically supposed to be doing and she didn't record it on her books.   

Does any of this matter? Not really. It doesn't prove much either way. Even if Dewani was a murderer, why would it serve him to lie about what currency he changed?

I'm sure its a very satisfying little piece of non-evidence for you to ponder with all your other unlikelihoods. Enjoy.

[dewanifacts]

Christ:  just noticed you're now playing the Homophobic card as well?!

I've made it clear from the start - I actually said as much at the start of this thread - that his sexuality in itself is irrelevant, it's the fact that he was lying by omission by not declaring it that is the problem:  it is a motive for murder.

Likewise it is relevant that a man who claimed he was too upset by Anni's death to answer questions how he got out of the car was posting messages in gay bondage chat rooms 3 days after she died.  We can look at Anni's father to see grief in action:  I wonder if he was surfing gay bondage sites?

And the finally, we have the fact that a gay prostitute himself thought Dewani's gayness was so important he volunteered to be cross examined in court about it. Let me guess:  you think the gay hooker was homophobic do you?!

What a klutz.  Racism card, homophobia card, posting a photo of an erect cock in reply to a factual post by me:  I guess you're getting a bit desperate?

That's a great post! 

Now that I don't take you seriously I can just pretend like I'm watching a monkey at the zoo and enjoy the show. 

You've mentioned gay bondage sites in at least 10 posts. Is there actually any evidence of this? I am fairly well versed in the facts of the case but I confess to not paying super close attention to which genres of gayness he was indulging in. I do remember that his internet history showed that he had accessed his gaydar profile in the days after the murder, and I know that the German Master prostitute was indeed a gay bondage specialist, but gay bondage web sites don't ring a bell....

Can you substantiate? 

EDIT: Have googled. You are correct. He visited a site called Recon which is a gay fetish dating site.

[Carbon Copy]

Strangely too, it was the kitchen gloves worn by Qwabe that had the gunshot residue on them yet he claimed that it was Mngeni who shot Anni?

The scenario that tallies best with the actual evidence as presented at court is this:-

Qwabe stops the car, walks round to the passenger side of the vehicle.  He's carrying a gun which means he has one hand free.  With his free hand he struggles with Anni, either to take her hand bag from her (certainly-the bag was stolen), or with intention to rape her (possible, but his intentions can't be proved).  It is likely that the bruises on Anni's ankle were a result of this struggle - Qwabe grabbing at her with the free hand - but ultimately this can't be proven conclusively. 

Discharge of the gun happened during the struggle according to Mngeni who was arrested first.  His description of the positioning of Qwabe, and the fact that Qwabe fired, was corroborated by forensic reports at Shrien Dewani trial.  Mngeni's initial version is the only version that has not been proven categorically to be a lie.  Although there is no doubt Mngeni was low-life s..m, he co-operated with police immediately unlike the others who first denied it, then admitted it was a simple robbery......then changed their stories to implicate Shrien Dewani, in that order.

So Qwabe without a shadow of a doubt hung Mngeni out to dry.  He blamed his "friend" in order to cut a deal with SAPS.  Probably thought, he's dying of brain cancer anyway, so why not.  SAPS would have had two different versions. Qwabe was willing to finger Shrien Dewani, where as Mngeni wasn't. SAPS wanting to pursue Dewani went along with Qwabe's story.  This monumental cock-up by SAPS caused the whole of this sorry episode.  If they'd verified Mngeni's story to be correct at the outset then Qwabe would be serving a life sentence and would have no leverage to cut a deal.  Shrien Dewani would never have been accused.

[Passer-by]

Passer-by. I am trying not to engage with you but you have mentioned gold jewellery a few times now. The only suggestion that gold jewellery was traded has come from you.

The facts are these. Dewani said he changed Sterling into Rand. The shop owner testified that he changed $US for Rand. The shop owner may or may not have an incentive to lie considering she was doing a trade that she wasn't technically supposed to be doing and she didn't record it on her books.   

Does any of this really matter? Not really. It doesn't prove much either way. Even if Dewani was a murderer, why would it serve him to lie about what currency he changed?

I'm sure its a very satisfying little piece of non evidence for you to ponder with all your other unlikelihoods. Enjoy.

"Wasn't technically supposed to be doing" - is that how you describe breaking the law?  Just like Tongo wasn't technically supposed to be offering taxi rides and the other pair weren't technically supposed to be murdering Anni?

Dewani said he traded sterling, the shop owner claimed it was dollars - but the shop assistant, whose job was to carry it to the back of the shop to the guy with the currency said he paid with gold.

Let's just be clear:  you can't trade gold jewelry if you walk into The First National Bank next door.  Or any other bank.  The banks only change currency. and they might buy sell Krugarrands.  You recall I keep posting links about how close Dewani was to banks and how odd it was he should retry to change money in a shop full of 'pre-loved' metal artefacts.

So to me, knowing the area as I lived down the end of the street, it's a pretty bloody strange place to change currency at a dodgy looking *jewellers* that buys and sells gold (and rather predictably doesn't record the transaction - remember what I said about them all lying?).. Especially with a bank next door.

The owner must have been bricking it.  She lied to make it 'dollars' because she didn't know Dewani had said 'sterling' and in predictable fashion patronisingly blamed her lowly assistant for being 'confused' when saying it had been gold. because that would make it gold smuggling, which is a very serious offence..  However forgetting to record dollars is merely an accounting error.

The amount she said Deani changed was the amount Dewani said he changed - and of course there was no written record.

So potentially, like many other people, Dewani could have walked in and sold a gold watch and then given the proceeds to Tongo or the killers for half the fee for the hit.

45mins alone together less than 5 mins drive from the hotel, for a transaction that only took a few minutes.  Who knows who he met in the remaining time? 

But of course you would make light of this all taking place a few hours before the murder.  One thing we do know is that Dewani didn't use the time and money to pop round to the tip of the Waterfront 5 mins away to book any surprise trips on a helicopter.

[Passer-by]

*autocorrected - the amount Dewani said he changed was not the amount the jeweller said he changed.

[Passer-by]

The scenario that tallies best with the actual evidence as presented at court is this:-

Qwabe stops the car, walks round to the passenger side of the vehicle.  He's carrying a gun which means he has one hand free.  With his free hand he struggles with Anni, either to take her hand bag from her (certainly-the bag was stolen), or with intention to rape her (possible, but his intentions can't be proved).  It is likely that the bruises on Anni's ankle were a result of this struggle - Qwabe grabbing at her with the free hand - but ultimately this can't be proven conclusively. 

Discharge of the gun happened during the struggle according to Mngeni who was arrested first.  His description of the positioning of Qwabe, and the fact that Qwabe fired, was corroborated by forensic reports at Shrien Dewani trial.  Mngeni's initial version is the only version that has not been proven categorically to be a lie.  Although there is no doubt Mngeni was low-life s..m, he co-operated with police immediately unlike the others who first denied it, then admitted it was a simple robbery......then changed their stories to implicate Shrien Dewani, in that order.

So Qwabe without a shadow of a doubt hung Mngeni out to dry.  He blamed his "friend" in order to cut a deal with SAPS.  Probably thought, he's dying of brain cancer anyway, so why not.  SAPS would have had two different versions. Qwabe was willing to finger Shrien Dewani, where as Mngeni wasn't. SAPS wanting to pursue Dewani went along with Qwabe's story.  This monumental cock-up by SAPS caused the whole of this sorry episode.  If they'd verified Mngeni's story to be correct at the outset then Qwabe would be serving a life sentence and would have no leverage to cut a deal.  Shrien Dewani would never have been accused.

"Shrien Dewani would never have been accused" - yes, the whole of South Africa would still have blamed him, just as they have Oscar Pistorius.  Perhaps the police would actually have done a better job resulting in a stronger prosecution.

We are both speculating.

[Passer-by]

That's a great post! 

Now that I don't take you seriously I can just pretend like I'm watching a monkey at the zoo and enjoy the show. 

You've mentioned gay bondage sites in at least 10 posts. Is there actually any evidence of this? I am fairly well versed in the facts of the case but I confess to not paying super close attention to which genres of gayness he was indulging in. I do remember that his internet history showed that he had accessed his gaydar profile in the days after the murder, and I know that the German Master prostitute was indeed a gay bondage specialist, but gay bondage web sites don't ring a bell....

Can you substantiate? 

EDIT: Have googled. You are correct. He visited a site called Recon which is a gay fetish dating site.

Is that as close as you get to an apology?  I doubt I be posted about it *at least 10 times* and this thread is now too insanely long for you to count - but I'm glad we have established I was correct.

[Passer-by]

and who the hell says "gay gay and oh so gay"?!

I do hope your Google search hasn't shocked you too much.

[Passer-by]

This is about the most I've ever given away about myself in the public domain, but to reinforce the point that I know how bloody odd it is to *change currency* in that jewellers shop I'm posting how far the walk to it was from the apartment I owned*. And I lived hopping between 3 countries so did a fair bit of currency changing. 

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* the one I later rented out via a gay agent to a rotation of air crews - so presumably even had gay people in my bed, now I think about it 



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[Passer-by]

Oh look:  Tumbleweed . . . !

I haven't seen that since I lived in Kimberley (tourist slogan, I kid you not:  "The Biggest Hole On Earth").