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News and current affairs => The migrant crisis in the UK and what can be done about it. => Topic started by: Admin on September 22, 2021, 06:11:19 PM
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Over 17,000 illegal immigrants have now entered the UK since the start of the year through the Border Force's processing centre at Dover Harbour. Most were brought in from the English Channel by Border Force, a government agency set up, ironically, to protect our borders from illegal immigration. How crazy is that?
Many others have been officially 'rescued' in the English Channel by the RNLI but few believe this is the case as Border Force call on the RNLI regularly to cover their operations when the numbers exceed even their ability to cope.
Others manage to make it to beaches all along the Kent coast, Dungeness being a popular destination for migrant boats. Some run off and are never found while others are rounded up and taken by bus to the Dover processing centre. After being processed all migrants are taken to a hostel or a fancy hotel where they have every possible need cared for. All paid by you the taxpayer of course.
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Over 17,000 illegal immigrants have now entered the UK since the start of the year through the Border Force's processing centre at Dover Harbour. Most were brought in from the English Channel by Border Force, a government agency set up, ironically, to protect our borders from illegal immigration. How crazy is that?
Many others have been officially 'rescued' in the English Channel by the RNLI but few believe this is the case as Border Force call on the RNLI regularly to cover their operations when the numbers exceed even their ability to cope.
Others manage to make it to beaches all along the Kent coast, Dungeness being a popular destination for migrant boats. Some run off and are never found while others are rounded up and taken by bus to the Dover processing centre. After being processed all migrants are taken to a hostel or a fancy hotel where they have every possible need cared for. All paid by you the taxpayer of course.
I cannot understand why our government is allowing this to happen ever day. It is like they have lost control of our immigration system. 😡😡😡
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I cannot understand why our government is allowing this to happen ever day. It is like they have lost control of our immigration system. 😡😡😡
This invasion doesn't even get a mention at the PM's questions in Westminster such is the fear by MPs that anyone speaking out about it will be labelled racist. An appalling situation really.
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The government is burying its head in the sand for some reason. This won't end well for our children and grandchildren.
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Over 17,000 illegal immigrants have now entered the UK since the start of the year through the Border Force's processing centre at Dover Harbour. Most were brought in from the English Channel by Border Force, a government agency set up, ironically, to protect our borders from illegal immigration. How crazy is that?
Many others have been officially 'rescued' in the English Channel by the RNLI but few believe this is the case as Border Force call on the RNLI regularly to cover their operations when the numbers exceed even their ability to cope.
Others manage to make it to beaches all along the Kent coast, Dungeness being a popular destination for migrant boats. Some run off and are never found while others are rounded up and taken by bus to the Dover processing centre. After being processed all migrants are taken to a hostel or a fancy hotel where they have every possible need cared for. All paid by you the taxpayer of course.
This is getting way too serious now but Johnson refuses to go to Dover to sort it out and instead sends pretty bloody useless Priti Patel, the daughter of Indian immigrants. Time somebody with some English blood in their veins took control.
That's 17,000 too many for sure.
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This is all so frightfully boring. France is not averse to these people. But sadly for them they are expected to work.
When I came here some thirty years ago there were No Benefits. I had to do whatever was available. And believe me, there was and is work.
At the age of 55, I got out of bed at 4am and went out to clear Chicken Sheds. And then spent many a long Winter Grading Potatoes in some misbegotten, freezing Barn. But God forbid let's not expect this of these people.
Yuman Rites and all that. So get on with it. It is the fault of England and if England is that stupid then on their sorry heads be it.
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This is getting way too serious now but Johnson refuses to go to Dover to sort it out and instead sends pretty bloody useless Priti Patel, the daughter of Indian immigrants. Time somebody with some English blood in their veins took control.
That's 17,000 too many for sure.
So yet more bollox from this Forum when you have no idea of what you are talking about.
There is work in France. I have been there and done it. But I'll tell you what. I don't care.
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This is all so frightfully boring. France is not averse to these people. But sadly for them they are expected to work.
When I came here some thirty years ago there were No Benefits. I had to do whatever was available. And believe me, there was and is work.
At the age of 55, I got out of bed at 4am and went out to clear Chicken Sheds. And then spent many a long Winter Grading Potatoes in some misbegotten, freezing Barn. But God forbid let's not expect this of these people.
Yuman Rites and all that. So get on with it. It is the fault of England and if England is that stupid then on their sorry heads be it.
Thank you for sharing your experiences of real life Eleanor. I agree with you that it is England's fault for creating this situation. Unlike France, the UK is a land of milk and honey to these migrants who basically have nothing. In the UK they will be housed in four star hotels, get free education if they want it and receive free healthcare. They also get cash handouts and can apply for Jobseekers allowance.
No wonder they can't get out if France quick enough!
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So yet more bollox from this Forum when you have no idea of what you are talking about.
There is work in France. I have been there and done it. But I'll tell you what. I don't care.
Many of these immigrants don't know what a paid job is, their lives have always involved scavaging and stealing to get what they want. Many are criminals and terrorists fleeing their home countries. Is that really the sort of scüm we need in England?
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I cannot understand why our government is allowing this to happen ever day. It is like they have lost control of our immigration system. 😡😡😡
My sentiments exactly. It certainly appears that Johnson has done a deal behind the scenes with the French. I suspect he has traded off illegal immigrants against keeping the freight to Dover moving unimpeded. Time will tell.
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This is all so frightfully boring. France is not averse to these people. But sadly for them they are expected to work.
When I came here some thirty years ago there were No Benefits. I had to do whatever was available. And believe me, there was and is work.
At the age of 55, I got out of bed at 4am and went out to clear Chicken Sheds. And then spent many a long Winter Grading Potatoes in some misbegotten, freezing Barn. But God forbid let's not expect this of these people.
Yuman Rites and all that. So get on with it. It is the fault of England and if England is that stupid then on their sorry heads be it.
You are from the old school like me Eleanor, there was no such thing as a free meal in our day. Seems now that any foreign lout can get handouts. They should all be put to work to earn their keep instead of playing football and having yoga lessons.
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Boris Johnson isn't prepared to address this issue by the looks of it. He sends Patel down to the docks for a photo opportunity while she goes out for a sail in a spare cutter but nothing ever changes. I'm so angry 😡😡😡
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Boris Johnson isn't prepared to address this issue by the looks of it. He sends Patel down to the docks for a photo opportunity while she goes out for a sail in a spare cutter but nothing ever changes. I'm so angry 😡😡😡
Johnson's answer to the crisis at Dover is to build a larger more sophisticated reception and processing centre in the docks at Dover. This complex is now being hurriedly constructed so there you have it. Johnson has no intention of turning the dinghies around and sending them back to France. The man is indeed a compulsiver LIAR.
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Hopefully these migrants are qualified HGV drivers.
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/uk-news/petrol-diesel-deliveries-rationed-bid-21655547
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Hopefully these migrants are qualified HGV drivers.
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/uk-news/petrol-diesel-deliveries-rationed-bid-21655547
Assassin's, rapists, paedophiles and thieves more likely.
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I'm so glad I'll be long dead before the UK is majority Muslim.
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I had to call my G.P the other week.
It took over a hundred redials & then an hour waiting in queue to be triaged due to the national shortage of doctors.
The doctor eventually text me around 6 in the evening & said he would call back tomorrow.
Maybe all these migrants will be fast tracked into the medical profession, or put to work building the 300,000+ houses needed a year to meet the national shortfall.
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I had to call my G.P the other week.
It took over a hundred redials & then an hour waiting in queue to be triaged due to the national shortage of doctors.
The doctor eventually text me around 6 in the evening & said he would call back tomorrow.
Maybe all these migrants will be fast tracked into the medical profession, or put to work building the 300,000+ houses needed a year to meet the national shortfall.
No thanx. Their culture is alien to most of the UK so deport them all back again, we neither need them nor want them polluting our society with their stoneage morals and beliefs.
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It is estimated that some 100,000 immigrants have now arrived into the UK since January 2020 if the government's family reunification scheme is added to the legal asylum seekers and the illegal immigrants arriving in Dover almost every day. That is an appalling number for such a small island country perched on the edge of Europe. It is totally unsustainable.
Next time you can't get a dentist or a doctor appointment or have your procedure in hospital put back another year remember why!
Next time your child can't get a place in your local primary school, remember why!
And next time you need a council house but have been told you are NOT a priority, remember why!
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Hundreds of tons of potatoes have gone past my door in the last few days. Someone is going to have to grade these. Six months of effort and they are in The System. What's not to like?
Strangely enough, two Afghanis have turned up at The Food Bank in the last couple of weeks. They don't speak French but both of them speak English. But someone must have pointed them in the right direction..
As it was I spoke no French at all when I was doing my bit for Rural Brittany, but it was hardly rocket science. Just watch what everyone else is doing. And my goodness me, I did have some laughs.
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So have we all gone out & got petrol today?
I went at out at 6 this morning & topped up the tank, even though I didn't really need to right now just in case people started panic buying.
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Just as a matter of interest, The French State pays immigrants a subsistence allowance to attend French Lessons, which The State pay for.
I have clung on to The Monarchy because I think that The Institution is of value. But I am now beginning to wonder. What price my loyalty to Britain? France has treated me so much better than England ever did.
I am of course an immigrant. I got on a boat and moved here many years ago. Not quite clinging onto an inflatable, but a bit scary nevertheless.
These people have enough hard cash to get them on an inflatable so why don't they stay in France?
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Just as a matter of interest, The French State pays immigrants a subsistence allowance to attend French Lessons, which The State pay for.
I have clung on to The Monarchy because I think that The Institution is of value. But I am now beginning to wonder. What price my loyalty to Britain? France has treated me so much better than England ever did.
I am of course an immigrant. I got on a boat and moved here many years ago. Not quite clinging onto an inflatable, but a bit scary nevertheless.
These people have enough hard cash to get them on an inflatable so why don't they stay in France?
The English will always treat their monarchy better than any serf.
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The English will always treat their monarchy better than any serf.
You might be hard pushed to fault The Queen. And she quite likely didn't want the job anyway.
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You might be hard pushed to fault The Queen. And she quite likely didn't want the job anyway.
She's had it better than you ever did or have.
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She's had it better than you ever did or have.
Strangely, this has never bothered me. I have never minded if someone else is better off than I might appear to be. What I own is all my own with no gift or inheritance from anyone. And possibly for why I was able to survive as an immigrant. There are things to be said for that ability.
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Strangely, this has never bothered me. I have never minded if someone else is better off than I might appear to be. What I own is all my own with no gift or inheritance from anyone.
Nor me, if they've worked for it . Once shes gone the rest should quietly follow, the history of the UK is such that they'll never be forgotten , indeed she could be the last one , what an ending.
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Back to the thread, what appeals to the immigrants, what with our rationing, power companies going to the wall, what is it that's better than across the channel.
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Just as a matter of interest, The French State pays immigrants a subsistence allowance to attend French Lessons, which The State pay for.
I have clung on to The Monarchy because I think that The Institution is of value. But I am now beginning to wonder. What price my loyalty to Britain? France has treated me so much better than England ever did.
I am of course an immigrant. I got on a boat and moved here many years ago. Not quite clinging onto an inflatable, but a bit scary nevertheless.
These people have enough hard cash to get them on an inflatable so why don't they stay in France?
Because our English government puts them up in 4* hotels and feeds them for free. They can also claim Jobseekers allowance and get free medical care etc...
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Strangely, this has never bothered me. I have never minded if someone else is better off than I might appear to be. What I own is all my own with no gift or inheritance from anyone. And possibly for why I was able to survive as an immigrant. There are things to be said for that ability.
You were a legal immigrant but I'm willing to bet you never moved to France to milk it for all you could get unlike these illegal queue jumping immigrants arriving on the Kent coast.
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Back to the thread, what appeals to the immigrants, what with our rationing, power companies going to the wall, what is it that's better than across the channel.
Britain deprived me of my Winter Fuel Allowance. France gives me more in subsidies that aren't taxable.
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Back to the thread, what appeals to the immigrants, what with our rationing, power companies going to the wall, what is it that's better than across the channel.
It's a simple answer. A choice between a tarpaulin in Calais or a 4* hotel in Folkestone or London. No contest imo.
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Because our English government puts them up in 4* hotels and feeds them for free. They can also claim Jobseekers allowance and get free medical care etc...
No green spaces. No trees. And life on a housing estate.
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And youre a senior moderator on this site are you. Sound like a grubby little fascist to me who talks bollocks. Ive been on this site for years and have a lot of respect for John who started it, to take on Bamber. I even went to the High Court years ago when Bambers JR was before the Lord Chief Justice and reported back here Time to leave the site now if people like you are a senior moderator
Oh Dear. Goodness gracious me We remain Senior Moderators?. So b....r orf.
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It's a simple answer. A choice between a tarpaulin in Calais or a 4* hotel in Folkestone or London. No contest imo.
Is there such a thing as a Four Star Hotel in Folkstone?
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This is brilliant, I've come back because I got an email saying the site wanted some input on Illegal Immigration at Dover. They ask me, a Chinese immigrant, for some input, Yay!
I overstayed my student visa years ago. I got a job, pay tax and NHI and became a naturalized British citizen, after pledging my alliegence to the Queen, which is more than a British-Born subject ever does and I am a fully paid-up, tax paying, UK citizen. I live in a shitty flat and pay more in rent than I would in a mortgage but the bank says I cannot afford a mortgage. People still call me Chinky though.
My friend was an actual illegal immigrant, shipped in to pick vegetables in muddy fields, that the British don't want to do and to live in shitty caravan with a load of other illegals. Was offered a job as a prostitute by the gang-master but she didn't fancy that so she ran like shit and escaped, got various crappy jobs and ended up turning herself in and applying for asylum. She got permission to stay and got a decent job and eventually became a naturalized British citizen. Again, earns a good wage, pays her taxes and NHI and owns her own home. She still gets called names but we are all used to that.
My other friend is Japanese, wealthy as f..k, walked in through Heathrow, off a JAL flight, travelling business. Applied to stay, asked "How much you got?" She said "How much you want?" They said, "That'll do nicely." She got indefinite permission to stay. Is not naturalized but bought a decent house, her own business, pays her taxes.
Don't knock it until you try it. We are not all scroungers looking for a free-ride. We are prepared to work, pay our way, pay our taxes and contribute to society and obey the law. Shame we still get call names and get shouted at for wearing masks in public but that's the ways it goes.
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I don't have an issue with the 'Japs' or the 'Chinks' myself (Not a fan of the CCP though).
Me personally, it's mostly Islam I'd rather we didn't import so much of.
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This is brilliant, I've come back because I got an email saying the site wanted some input on Illegal Immigration at Dover. They ask me, a Chinese immigrant, for some input, Yay!
I overstayed my student visa years ago. I got a job, pay tax and NHI and became a naturalized British citizen, after pledging my alliegence to the Queen, which is more than a British-Born subject ever does and I am a fully paid-up, tax paying, UK citizen. I live in a shitty flat and pay more in rent than I would in a mortgage but the bank says I cannot afford a mortgage. People still call me Chinky though.
My friend was an actual illegal immigrant, shipped in to pick vegetables in muddy fields, that the British don't want to do and to live in shitty caravan with a load of other illegals. Was offered a job as a prostitute by the gang-master but she didn't fancy that so she ran like shit and escaped, got various crappy jobs and ended up turning herself in and applying for asylum. She got permission to stay and got a decent job and eventually became a naturalized British citizen. Again, earns a good wage, pays her taxes and NHI and owns her own home. She still gets called names but we are all used to that.
My other friend is Japanese, wealthy as f..k, walked in through Heathrow, off a JAL flight, travelling business. Applied to stay, asked "How much you got?" She said "How much you want?" They said, "That'll do nicely." She got indefinite permission to stay. Is not naturalized but bought a decent house, her own business, pays her taxes.
Don't knock it until you try it. We are not all scroungers looking for a free-ride. We are prepared to work, pay our way, pay our taxes and contribute to society and obey the law. Shame we still get call names and get shouted at for wearing masks in public but that's the ways it goes.
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I am sorry that you feel like this. I migrated to France many years ago and have never felt unwelcome here in France. But I did feel grossly neglected in England, despite being a naturally born English Woman.
So it isn't just happening to you. England is toxic at the moment and has been for quite some considerable time. So just get out of there. I did when I couldn't even speak French. But I worked and survived. The answer is in your hands.
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This is brilliant, I've come back because I got an email saying the site wanted some input on Illegal Immigration at Dover. They ask me, a Chinese immigrant, for some input, Yay!
I overstayed my student visa years ago. I got a job, pay tax and NHI and became a naturalized British citizen, after pledging my alliegence to the Queen, which is more than a British-Born subject ever does and I am a fully paid-up, tax paying, UK citizen. I live in a shitty flat and pay more in rent than I would in a mortgage but the bank says I cannot afford a mortgage. People still call me Chinky though.
My friend was an actual illegal immigrant, shipped in to pick vegetables in muddy fields, that the British don't want to do and to live in shitty caravan with a load of other illegals. Was offered a job as a prostitute by the gang-master but she didn't fancy that so she ran like shit and escaped, got various crappy jobs and ended up turning herself in and applying for asylum. She got permission to stay and got a decent job and eventually became a naturalized British citizen. Again, earns a good wage, pays her taxes and NHI and owns her own home. She still gets called names but we are all used to that.
My other friend is Japanese, wealthy as f..k, walked in through Heathrow, off a JAL flight, travelling business. Applied to stay, asked "How much you got?" She said "How much you want?" They said, "That'll do nicely." She got indefinite permission to stay. Is not naturalized but bought a decent house, her own business, pays her taxes.
Don't knock it until you try it. We are not all scroungers looking for a free-ride. We are prepared to work, pay our way, pay our taxes and contribute to society and obey the law. Shame we still get call names and get shouted at for wearing masks in public but that's the ways it goes.
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Good on you. No country wants immigrant scroungers (they don't have the means to deal with their own home-grown ones). Yet, it's the hard-working immigrants who help to pay for the benefits of the home-grown scroungers.
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Why would some migrants / refugees / asylum seekers prefer to get to the UK as opposed to any of the other countries in the EU (of which the UK used to be a member)?
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Is there such a thing as a Four Star Hotel in Folkstone?
Don’t be rude about Folkestone. On second thoughts do, it’s a dump.
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Don’t be rude about Folkestone. On second thoughts do, it’s a dump.
Where is Folkestone? I've never even heard of it.
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According to the highly-reliable Wackipedia, it's on the SE backside of a God-forsaken island where, for entertainment during the Mesolithic era, the native Folkers used to stone illegals landing on their shores...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folkestone (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folkestone)
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According to the highly-reliable Wackipedia, it's on the SE backside of a God-forsaken island where, for entertainment during the Mesolithic era, the native Folkers used to stone illegals landing on their shores...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folkestone (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folkestone)
Whilst chanting “Folk off back to your own country”, hence the name.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLRforUVW48
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Why would some migrants / refugees / asylum seekers prefer to get to the UK as opposed to any of the other countries in the EU (of which the UK used to be a member)?
There's never an answer to this.
These 'refugees' flee the war torn country they are persecuted in, arrive in safe Europe where they have the choice of settling in any number of nice warm countries, Spain, Portugal, Greece, Italy, or economically prosperous countries such as Germany.
But no, they don't want to stay there, they want to risk their lives in rubber dinghies heading for Britain, where the weather is dreadful, housing is expensive, knife crime is rife & the country is full of anti immigrant racists.
I notice a record number of 'refugees' fleeing the horrors of war & persecution in continental Europe, drowned in the channel this week.
It has been described as a tragedy.
I think the bigger tragedy is that it doesn't happen to more of them.
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I disagree that it's ALL about Brexit, but, IMO, it certainly hasn't helped.
The UK migrant dilemma - it's all about Brexit
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-59369179
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This is getting way too serious now but Johnson refuses to go to Dover to sort it out and instead sends pretty bloody useless Priti Patel, the daughter of Indian immigrants. Time somebody with some English blood in their veins took control.
That's 17,000 too many for sure.
I have little time for Pratel, for reasons that have nothing to do with her origins.
What do you consider to be "English blood"? Dating back to when?
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There's never an answer to this.
These 'refugees' flee the war torn country they are persecuted in, arrive in safe Europe where they have the choice of settling in any number of nice warm countries, Spain, Portugal, Greece, Italy, or economically prosperous countries such as Germany.
But no, they don't want to stay there, they want to risk their lives in rubber dinghies heading for Britain, where the weather is dreadful, housing is expensive, knife crime is rife & the country is full of anti immigrant racists.
I notice a record number of 'refugees' fleeing the horrors of war & persecution in continental Europe, drowned in the channel this week.
It has been described as a tragedy.
I think the bigger tragedy is that it doesn't happen to more of them.
Why would you wish more people fleeing desperate situations to die?
NB: I hesitated to tell you that I found that comment abhorrent, as I'm well aware that that would have made your day and I usually ignore your shock-jock tactics, but I found that that really crosses the line of human decency.
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I cannot understand why our government is allowing this to happen ever day. It is like they have lost control of our immigration system. 😡😡😡
In all the Brexit ra ra of "regaining control of our borders", I think they may have glossed over the fact that, by the same token, the UK is no longer a party to the EU /Schengen Dublin regulations.
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Why would you wish more people fleeing desperate situations to die?
What desperate situation were they fleeing in Northern France?
The last lot were from Iraq apparently, so likely passed through Turkey, Bulgaria, Croatia, Austria, possibly Germany etc before reaching France.
None of those countries are unsafe, so there's only personal choice & no actual threat to their safety that made them selfish enough to bypass legitimate migration procedures & attempt to enter the country via risky criminal trafficking.
To hell with them.
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A bit of background reading (from August 2020) on the UN Refugee Convention and the Dublin System.
Where should asylum seekers apply for asylum?
The UN Refugee Convention is silent on where asylum seekers should apply. Its definition of ‘refugee status’ does not exclude people based on whether they entered a territory illegally or could have applied elsewhere.
However, the Dublin system is based on the idea that an application should only be considered once by one of the participating countries, and sets out criteria to determine which country that is and a process to transfer the people concerned to that country if necessary.
The Dublin rules are often described as allocating responsibility to the country which an asylum-seeker first entered. But this is an over-simplification....
It then explains why that's an over-simplification.
https://ukandeu.ac.uk/the-dublin-regulation-an-overview/
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What desperate situation were they fleeing in Northern France?
The last lot were from Iraq apparently, so likely passed through Turkey, Bulgaria, Croatia, Austria, possibly Germany etc before reaching France.
None of those countries are unsafe, so there's only personal choice & no actual threat to their safety that made them selfish enough to bypass legitimate migration procedures & attempt to enter the country via risky criminal trafficking.
To hell with them.
And you wonder why you receive personal abuse? If you’re views are sincere then that makes you a disgusting individual in my book, if they were written only to cause a reaction then that makes you a silly, spiteful child. IMO.
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And you wonder why you receive personal abuse? If you’re views are sincere then that makes you a disgusting individual in my book, if they were written only to cause a reaction then that makes you a silly, spiteful child. IMO.
I'm still not sure why my views on migrants should entitle you to insult me personally, can you explain?
You can disagree with my views if you like, but that still doesn't give you the right to insult me.
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I'm still not sure why my views on migrants should entitle you to insult me personally, can you explain?
You can disagree with my views if you like, but that still doesn't give you the right to insult me.
So sorry for any distress caused to you personally but I do find your views repellent on this subject and your modus operandi on this forum generally to be childish and an embarrassment to the rest of us posting here, I hope I have the right to express my point of view, but by all means report my posts if they have upset you overly.
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So sorry for any distress caused to you personally but I do find your views repellent on this subject and your modus operandi on this forum generally to be childish and an embarrassment to the rest of us posting here, I hope I have the right to express my point of view, but by all means report my posts if they have upset you overly.
I'm still not sure what's so reprehensible about my views on these criminals selfishly & illegally crossing the channel.
Maybe we should just open the tunnel to all undocumented foot passengers because f..k it, what's the point in having passport control & international borders anyway.
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Before reading to the bottom of the page, I added an NB to my earlier post to you, copied again here.
NB: I hesitated to tell you that I found that comment abhorrent, as I'm well aware that that would have made your day and I usually ignore your shock-jock tactics, but I found that that really crosses the line of human decency.
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Well I have absolutely no respect for selfish idiots stupidly attempting to cross one of the worlds busiest shipping lanes using flimsy rubber dinghies, funding criminal traffickers in the process, when the whole of the continent they already passed through was perfectly adequate for them to claim asylum in.
f..k them, no sympathy from me, should have just applied for a visa.
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I'm still not sure what's so reprehensible about my views on these criminals selfishly & illegally crossing the channel.
Maybe we should just open the tunnel to all undocumented foot passengers because f..k it, what's the point in having passport control & international borders anyway.
It is not a crime to seek asylum.
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It is not a crime to seek asylum.
Why do they need asylum from France?
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Why do they need asylum from France?
Are you kidding? The French authorities are treating these peope at Calais like shit, deliberately I assume, to encourage them to cross asap.
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Are you kidding? The French authorities are treating these peope at Calais like shit, deliberately I assume, to encourage them to cross asap.
You mean they chose to travel to a country that would treat them like shit? Passing through multiple other safe countries to get there?
Well, now I have even less sympathy, are they all morons?
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Well I have absolutely no respect for selfish idiots stupidly attempting to cross one of the worlds busiest shipping lanes using flimsy rubber dinghies, funding criminal traffickers in the process, when the whole of the continent they already passed through was perfectly adequate for them to claim asylum in.
f..k them, no sympathy from me, should have just applied for a visa.
I posted two links. Have your tried reading either of them?
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I read that one reason these illegals head for the U.K is because they have family here.
I have family in Canada, I've often thought about selling up & moving there, but it all seems rather akward & costly, too much hassle, but I fear persecution here for my Anti Woke views, so I'll just burn my passport, black myself up & cross the Atlantic in arm bands. The Canadian lifeboat men can save me.
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Imagine a civil war in England, but Scotland Ireland & Wales are all still safe, I think I'd be seeking refuge in Swaziland because I don't really like the rest of the Britain & Ireland.
I really am in a desperate situation, so I should get to pick & chose which other country I get to live in & the tax payers who'll fund me in that country really should have absolutely no say on the matter.
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Are you kidding? The French authorities are treating these peope at Calais like shit, deliberately I assume, to encourage them to cross asap.
From short documentary clips I've seeen of conditions in Calais and other routine coastal routes to the UK that I've seen, the conditions appear less than hospitable. However, more and more keep turning up, wanting to get to the UK.
I've seen news clips of border police in France (some may have also been from the UK) trying to stop launches. Even French fishermen going to the rescue (despite the UK-FR fishing spat). However, that's a lot of coastline to have to cover 24/7.
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Imagine a civil war in England, but Scotland Ireland & Wales are all still safe, I think I'd be seeking refuge in Swaziland because I don't really like the rest of the Britain & Ireland.
I really am in a desperate situation, so I should get to pick & chose which other country I get to live in & the tax payers who'll fund me in that country really should have absolutely no say on the matter.
Have you read the links that I've posted? If you have a relative who escaped your tragic situation and was granted asylum in e.g. France, your application might be processed in Switzerland, but then there were would be a strong likelihood that a request to France would be made by the Swiss to get the French to accept France as your asylum destination.
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You mean they chose to travel to a country that would treat them like shit? Passing through multiple other safe countries to get there?
Well, now I have even less sympathy, are they all morons?
So in your opinion should Spain, Turkey and Greece bear the brunt of the refugee crisis in perpetuity by virtue of their geographical proximity to countries from whence these refugees are coming? I think I can guess the answer...
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I read that one reason these illegals head for the U.K is because they have family here.
I have family in Canada, I've often thought about selling up & moving there, but it all seems rather akward & costly, too much hassle, but I fear persecution here for my Anti Woke views, so I'll just burn my passport, black myself up & cross the Atlantic in arm bands. The Canadian lifeboat men can save me.
So, you'd have no problem in theory if millions of Southern Irish or French needed to seek refuge in Britain at some future point? Being the closest "safe" country we would by your reasoning have to accept them all, and none would be able to pass through to other countries in Europe.
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So in your opinion should Spain, Turkey and Greece bear the brunt of the refugee crisis in perpetuity by virtue of their geographical proximity to countries from whence these refugees are coming? I think I can guess the answer...
Yes.
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So, you'd have no problem in theory if millions of Southern Irish or French needed to seek refuge in Britain at some future point? Being the closest "safe" country we would by your reasoning have to accept them all, and none would be able to pass through to other countries in Europe.
It isn't going to happen, & no, the Irish could go to Wales since that's closer, & the French could f..k off to Spain, there's no legitimate reason for them to cross the channel.
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It isn't going to happen, & no, the Irish could go to Wales since that's closer, & the French could f..k off to Spain, there's no legitimate reason for them to cross the channel.
Paris is closer to England than Spain. And - who knows what might happen in the future. Troubles in Ireland perhaps? War in Europe perhaps? Where will you seek refuge when The Woke Police come for your arse? Your nearest country is France so that’s your only option I guess.
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Paris is closer to England than Spain. And - who knows what might happen in the future. Troubles in Ireland perhaps? War in Europe perhaps? Where will you seek refuge when The Woke Police come for your arse? Your nearest country is France so that’s your only option I guess.
No my nearest country is Wales.
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No my nearest country is Wales.
Wales is even more woke than England so you better think again.
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I could be in Wales with a hew hours car journey, I wouldn't need to learn their language, culturally they are no different, I've even been there a few times & I wouldn't need to risk death crossing shipping lanes to flee there.
Seems the most sensible, safe & practical option.
But obviously, if later I drown in a woefully equipped effort to reach New York by inflatable crocodile, I'd expect sympathy, because I was just trying to flee the horrors of the English civil war, even though I was safe in Wales.
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I could be in Wales with a hew hours car journey, I wouldn't need to learn their language, culturally they are no different, I've even been there a few times & I wouldn't need to risk death crossing shipping lanes to flee there.
Seems the most sensible, safe & practical option.
But obviously, if later I drown in a woefully equipped effort to reach New York by inflatable crocodile, I'd expect sympathy, because I was just trying to flee the horrors of the English civil war, even though I was safe in Wales.
So why do you think these people subject themselves to the misery of leaving their lives behind having spent theor life savings to end up in the Jungle at Calais where their camps are constantly broken up and their possessions removed, followed by the possibility of a watery desth in the channel? Is it all done just to piss you off?
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So why do you think these people subject themselves to the misery of leaving their lives behind having spent theor life savings to end up in the Jungle at Calais where their camps are constantly broken up and their possessions removed, followed by the possibility of a watery desth in the channel? Is it all done just to piss you off?
Because they want a better life in Britain, but are unwilling to attempt to gain lawful entry, preferring instead to try a short cut, queue jumping everyone else & lining the pockets of human traffickers.
Are you in favour of criminal trafficking?
Why? I thought you'd be against exploitation.
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Because they want a better life in Britain, but are unwilling to attempt to gain lawful entry, preferring instead to try a short cut, queue jumping everyone else & lining the pockets of human traffickers.
Are you in favour of criminal trafficking?
Why? I thought you'd be against exploitation.
Well if I was a child I’d say “yes I am very much in favour of criminal trafficking because you are against it” but I’m not a child, I’m an adult. Obviously I am against criminal trafficking. I am also against treating desperate people like vermin. I think France should be prosecuted for the way they are treating these people. And don’t get me started on the situation on the Belarus / Poland border, it’s horrific. I don’t know what the answer is but I expect you have a very simple one which probably involves more inhumane treatment, incarceration and probably worse.
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Well if I was a child I’d say “yes I am very much in favour of criminal trafficking because you are against it” but I’m not a child, I’m an adult. Obviously I am against criminal trafficking. I am also against treating desperate people like vermin. I think France should be prosecuted for the way they are treating these people. And don’t get me started on the situation on the Belarus / Poland border, it’s horrific. I don’t know what the answer is but I expect you have a very simple one which probably involves more inhumane treatment, incarceration and probably worse.
I suggest people who are born into poverty, living in shit hole countries & struggling to survive, don't breed.
They'd save a lot of money, which they could then use to learn a useful trade, which would grant them easier access to foreign labour markets.
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I suggest people who are born into poverty, living in shit hole countries & struggling to survive, don't breed.
They'd save a lot of money, which they could then use to learn a useful trade, which would grant them easier access to foreign labour markets.
Do you extend that advice to the UK as well?
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Do you extend that advice to the UK as well?
Did you really need to ask?
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Do you extend that advice to the UK as well?
Yes, it's my general rule of reproduction.
Can't afford them, dont have them.
There'd be no such thing as child benefit in Spam's country.
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Of course, one of the benefits of my limited child policy is a significant reduction in population & thus the countries carbon footprint,
Greta would be pleased.
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Did you really need to ask?
Was just wondering... Own doorstep and all that.
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Yes, it's my general rule of reproduction.
Can't afford them, dont have them.
There'd be no such thing as child benefit in Spam's country.
OI. What would you have advocated as PM Spam? Re everything, not just Covid and Brexit, but including them?
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OI. What would you have advocated as PM Spam? Re everything, not just Covid and Brexit, but including them?
Leave the E.U, UN, Human Rights convention, everything, completely retract the draw bridge then invite other countries to negotiate with us under a new system, strictly on our own terms.
No vaccines masks or restrictions for Covid, actively encourage the spread of the virus reducing population & therefore carbon emissions, the state pension, benefits budget & providing a boost to the funeral industry.
Channel migrants forced back at gun point, shot when they don't comply.
Smoking in pubs compulsory.
Age of consent raised to 37.
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I'd like to hear the alternative solutions to preventing mass illegal immigration, because the liberal solution appears to be throwing the borders open & let the entire southern hemisphere relocate in the north.
I mean it sounds lovely, anti racist & diverse, but I think some small resource issues & problems regarding housing supply could crop up somewhere down the line.
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Leave the E.U, UN, Human Rights convention, everything, completely retract the draw bridge then invite other countries to negotiate with us under a new system, strictly on our own terms.
No vaccines masks or restrictions for Covid, actively encourage the spread of the virus reducing population & therefore carbon emissions, the state pension, benefits budget & providing a boost to the funeral industry.
Channel migrants forced back at gun point, shot when they don't comply.
Smoking in pubs compulsory.
Age of consent raised to 37.
Why 37? :)
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I'd like to hear the alternative solutions to preventing mass illegal immigration, because the liberal solution appears to be throwing the borders open & let the entire southern hemisphere relocate in the north.
I mean it sounds lovely, anti racist & diverse, but I think some small resource issues & problems regarding housing supply could crop up somewhere down the line.
Wasn't the oven-ready Brexit deal supposed to have dealt with all that?
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Wasn't the oven-ready Brexit deal supposed to have dealt with all that?
Well the CPS apparently are not prosecuting illegal immigrants, unless they commit a second offence, they are only prosecuting the traffickers.
The max sentence for entering illegally is 4 years.
If they actually enforced the law the UK might not be such an appealing destination.
I'm not too keen on the murder laws myself, so I might just disregard them from now on, they can prosecute me on the second killing but it's only fair they turn a blind eye to the first one imo.
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What exactly is an "illegal immigrant"?
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What exactly is an "illegal immigrant"?
Someone who enters a country illegally, like all them people in the boats keep doing.
I'm not presenting my passport next time I go abroad, why should I have to?
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Someone who enters a country illegally, like all them people in the boats keep doing.
I'm not presenting my passport next time I go abroad, why should I have to?
Are you thinking of claiming asylum somewhere?
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Are you thinking of claiming asylum somewhere?
Yes, I'm sick of being oppressed & demonised for my anti immigrant views.
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Yes, I'm sick of being oppressed & demonised for my anti immigrant views.
Ok. Any idea of countries in which you could claim asylum based on your anti-immigrant views?
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Liverpool bomber lied to stay in UK, documents released to BBC show.
New details have emerged about the Liverpool bomber Emad Al Swealmeen's failed asylum attempts - and the false information he used to make his cases.
A previously confidential 2015 asylum judgment, released to the BBC, reveals how his claim of being a Syrian refugee lacked basic facts.
Al Swealmeen, an Iraqi, lost that case but the Home Office did not remove him before he tried again under a new name.
The Home Office will not comment on his case and no review has been announced.
It is not clear whether officials spotted his second application from checking his fingerprint records.
But the papers raise further questions about why he was not removed from the UK before the attack.
Al Swealmeen, 32, was killed when his bomb went off inside a taxi at Liverpool Women's Hospital on Remembrance Sunday in November.
The driver escaped seconds before the vehicle was engulfed in flames and was taken to hospital, but did not suffer life-threatening injuries. Nobody else was hurt.
The fresh details about Al Swealmeen's asylum claim are in the 2015 judgment from the tribunal that rules on appeals against Home Office immigration decisions.
It shows how he told obvious lies in an attempt to stay in the UK, and that his application lacked basic facts about his home and the danger he faced.
According to the documents, released after legal representations from BBC News, Al Swealmeen arrived in the UK on 30 April 2014 and claimed asylum six days later.
He claimed to be fleeing from his native Syria, which was then in the grip of a worsening civil war.
But it was all untrue.
During his interview with a Home Office assessor, Al Swealmeen confirmed he had been living in the United Arab Emirates for 14 years and gave a vague account about returning to Syria to visit family, despite the raging conflict.
He said he had then left out of fear for his life, returned to the UAE and flown on to the UK to claim asylum.
That flight, on a genuine Jordanian passport, came four months after he had already applied for a UK visa - meaning that British immigration officials had a copy of his fingerprints before he arrived.
When a Home Office asylum case worker questioned Al Swealmeen closely about his travels, he couldn't explain why he had been in danger or describe his purported family's situation in Syria - such as basic facts about the geography of where they lived.
An expert in Arabic also analysed Al Swealmeen's speech and concluded he was almost certainly Iraqi.
Al Swealmeen was housed in Liverpool while he waited for a decision - which came in a rejection letter in November 2014.
He then appealed - but did not attend the 2015 hearing in Manchester.
He had been detained under the Mental Health Act, after he had been found waving a knife at people in a Liverpool underpass.
The judge handling the case concluded that Al Swealmeen's account was straightforward and so lacking in credibility that it could be dealt with immediately.
"His account of his time in Syria gives the impression of someone quoting information that is in the public domain rather than having first-hand experience," ruled the judge.
"The appellant did not identify himself with any particular faction or indicate that he would be at risk other than in a general sense.
"In view of all of the evidence, I reject his account of events in Syria and his fears on his return in their entirety and dismiss his asylum appeal."
That conclusion meant the Home Office had the green light to send Al Swealmeen back to Iraq or Jordan, as it had previously warned him it would do.
During 2015 and the years that followed, the government was forcibly sending some people back to both countries - but Emad Al Swealmeen was not one of them.
Enforced returns were falling during this period as the government pursued its so-called "hostile environment" policies designed to encourage people to leave of their own choice.
Presents himself as Christian
Instead of going, Al Swealmeen tried to appeal again in August 2015, failed, and then joined Liverpool Cathedral's course on the foundations of Christianity, presenting himself as a potential convert.
By 2017 he had converted and Malcolm and Elizabeth Hitchcott, a couple who volunteered in the local Christian community, gave him a bed.
It's around this time he made a new asylum application under the name Enzo Almeni.
As part of that claim, officials would have expected him to volunteer his fingerprints, so they could verify he had not claimed before - but it's not clear whether these checks were carried out.
The Home Office eventually rejected this second application - but instead of being removed from the UK, Al Swealmeen was yet again able to lodge an appeal in January 2021. That challenge was outstanding when he detonated his homemade bomb.
The Home Office has declined to comment on the specific circumstances of Emad Al Swealmeen's case but said it was "fixing the broken asylum system" in its current legislation.
"The new plan for immigration will require people to raise all protection-related issues up front, to tackle the practice of making multiple and sequential claims and enable the removal of those with no right to be in our country more quickly," said a spokesman.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-60091127
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Answer to the question
Yes, Rwanda!
The country needs rebuilding.
The downside -we need to take Rwandan orphans, They will hate it here, all us white saviors will give them free housing/food/ education/clothes. and they can tell us when they grow up they should never have been educated with Money from people who knew someone who knew someone else who had links with slaves.
The good news there will be no statues for them to tear down, they will all have been removed and replaced with BLM hero's. Nelson Mandella, Idi Amin, Robert Mugabe and other Black humanitarians.
Trafalgar square should have a very large bronze of Ashley Banjo and outside BP facing the balcony Lenny Henry (takes money from white folks gives to black folks and calls white folks out for being white saviors ) They fall at every hurdle trying to reinvent racism and the weapon of choice for losers.