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Offline sadie

Re: If Brueckner is Never Charged.
« Reply #270 on: July 07, 2020, 01:30:57 AM »

FGS....even HE admits to it!

What’s your beef?

BTW, not sure if it’s you or Gunit, but I’ve been sent two warnings within just one hour...for sweet fanny adams

If this carries on I’ll just post on Twitter...

Please don't leave us.  Your posts are well thought out and refreshing.  We need more like you

sadie x

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: If Brueckner is Never Charged.
« Reply #271 on: July 07, 2020, 10:20:58 AM »
F1 *&(+(+
Christian Buerbeck’s psychiatrist said that CB loved the power he got from raping, and it wasn’t just an age thing although he was attracted to little children : he targeted the weak and vulnerable — young children/older ladies — because that was what gave him s (&^&


He loved to instil fear in them, torture them....and enjoyed playing “God”. That was his ultimate power...

It’s all on YouTube where his psychiatrist speaks about him

CB is a psychopath, and a sadist too. He gets thrills from hurting and inflicting pain.


How anyone in their right mind can jump to defend him simply shows they’re either unintelligent or they too find what he did before Maddie was “petty”. Heaven knows what environment they live in if they fine heinous rape “petty”!

The person you refer to above isn't CB's psychiatrist.  He's a pundit as follows:

https://www.mark-thorben-hofmann.de/en/

These sorts of people are always wheeled out for the media, low budget docu/dramas etc, obviously for a fee!

The 7 year sentence for rape is yet to be imposed and begs the question why so lenient if it involved pre-planning and "torture".  The max possible sentence for rape in Germany is, I understand, 15 years.

His crimes against children appear to involve child pornograpgy, no idea at what level, indecent exposure and child molestation?.

There's no evidence linking CB to the disappearance of MM.

No one knows the motive for MM's disappearance. 

I'm with former MET officer Ian Horrock's who believes in all liklihood MM was taken by someone to raise as their own.  Ian Horrock's spent 30 years in the MET.  He also visited PDL to carry out a review for dare I say it... The Sun  8)><(. Anyway his opinions are not to be taken lightly imo:

Ian, in common with the others at BGP had a successful 30 year career within London’s Metropolitan Police, prior to moving to the private sector in 2007.

He is an accredited senior investigating officer for homicide, as well as having experience in high value and multinational fraud and other major crime. For the last five years of his service he led one of Scotland Yard’s Kidnap and Specialist Investigations teams.

He is a qualified and accomplished crime scene examiner and is able to utilise this experience in the assessment of major crime scenes.

Following his retirement from the MPS he was the European Director for a renowned business security and risk consultancy based in Hong Kong. He has since been involved in the provision of security advice and guidance to international corporations and individuals as well as advising on crisis management and business continuity.


From his report into the disappearance on MM:

I still believe on balance that when all the available information is examined logically and objectively, that Madeleine was not taken by a paedophile.

In conclusion, I still obviously cannot dismiss the possibility that Madeleine was abducted by a paedophile for a sinister purpose, and that she is now dead. However, I remain of the opinion that this is not the case, and have shown my reasons why. Also, as an investigator, I think it is important to believe that the person you are searching for is alive, however unrealistic some people may think this is. Until such time as a body is found, or there is irrefutable evidence that she is dead, there must always be hope. Hopefully those continuing the investigation continue to share this belief.
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: If Brueckner is Never Charged.
« Reply #272 on: July 07, 2020, 10:41:02 AM »
What date did Ian Horrocks give his assessment and what is his view on the matter since Bruckner surfaced as a suspect?
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: If Brueckner is Never Charged.
« Reply #273 on: July 07, 2020, 10:49:30 AM »
What date did Ian Horrocks give his assessment and what is his view on the matter since Bruckner surfaced as a suspect?

May 2017. 

On what basis would he change his views?

I haven't changed my views.  Those that believe Mc's responsible haven't changed their views.

I can't see why anyone would change their views because there's nothing to substantiate claims CB was involved. 
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Brietta

Re: If Brueckner is Never Charged.
« Reply #274 on: July 07, 2020, 10:57:53 AM »
May 2017. 

On what basis would he change his views?

I haven't changed my views.  Those that believe Mc's responsible haven't changed their views.

I can't see why anyone would change their views because there's nothing to substantiate claims CB was involved.

Correct me if I'm wrong ... but isn't that an amended statement from the original.  If so it would show that he tends to update articles as new information becomes available.



I have just checked ... and I am not wrong on this ... so he definitely has shown precedence for going with the flow.

IAN HORROCKS 2 MADELEINE MCCANN REPORTS 03/07/2012 & 14/10/2013 COMPARISON
https://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Ian_Horrocks.htm
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: If Brueckner is Never Charged.
« Reply #275 on: July 07, 2020, 11:06:39 AM »
Correct me if I'm wrong ... but isn't that an amended statement from the original.  If so it would show that he tends to update articles as new information becomes available.



I have just checked ... and I am not wrong on this ... so he definitely has shown precedence for going with the flow.

IAN HORROCKS 2 MADELEINE MCCANN REPORTS 03/07/2012 & 14/10/2013 COMPARISON
https://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Ian_Horrocks.htm

Yes of course he updated his report to reflect the development with 'Tannerman' but his overall views remain unchanged.
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Mr Gray

Re: If Brueckner is Never Charged.
« Reply #276 on: July 07, 2020, 11:13:47 AM »
Yes of course he updated his report to reflect the development with 'Tannerman' but his overall views remain unchanged.

He says the idea of a random burglar taking maddie is unlikely and I agree. Do we know what his thoughts are now that  Breukner is on the scene...a man with a history of burgary...paedophilia...sexual assault... . I would think this will have altered his views considerably

Offline Mr Gray

Re: If Brueckner is Never Charged.
« Reply #277 on: July 07, 2020, 11:16:22 AM »
The person you refer to above isn't CB's psychiatrist.  He's a pundit as follows:

https://www.mark-thorben-hofmann.de/en/

These sorts of people are always wheeled out for the media, low budget docu/dramas etc, obviously for a fee!

The 7 year sentence for rape is yet to be imposed and begs the question why so lenient if it involved pre-planning and "torture".  The max possible sentence for rape in Germany is, I understand, 15 years.

His crimes against children appear to involve child pornograpgy, no idea at what level, indecent exposure and child molestation?.

There's no evidence linking CB to the disappearance of MM.

No one knows the motive for MM's disappearance. 

I'm with former MET officer Ian Horrock's who believes in all liklihood MM was taken by someone to raise as their own.  Ian Horrock's spent 30 years in the MET.  He also visited PDL to carry out a review for dare I say it... The Sun  8)><(. Anyway his opinions are not to be taken lightly imo:

Ian, in common with the others at BGP had a successful 30 year career within London’s Metropolitan Police, prior to moving to the private sector in 2007.

He is an accredited senior investigating officer for homicide, as well as having experience in high value and multinational fraud and other major crime. For the last five years of his service he led one of Scotland Yard’s Kidnap and Specialist Investigations teams.

He is a qualified and accomplished crime scene examiner and is able to utilise this experience in the assessment of major crime scenes.

Following his retirement from the MPS he was the European Director for a renowned business security and risk consultancy based in Hong Kong. He has since been involved in the provision of security advice and guidance to international corporations and individuals as well as advising on crisis management and business continuity.


From his report into the disappearance on MM:

I still believe on balance that when all the available information is examined logically and objectively, that Madeleine was not taken by a paedophile.

In conclusion, I still obviously cannot dismiss the possibility that Madeleine was abducted by a paedophile for a sinister purpose, and that she is now dead. However, I remain of the opinion that this is not the case, and have shown my reasons why. Also, as an investigator, I think it is important to believe that the person you are searching for is alive, however unrealistic some people may think this is. Until such time as a body is found, or there is irrefutable evidence that she is dead, there must always be hope. Hopefully those continuing the investigation continue to share this belief.


The guilty verdict for rape is a matter of record...as is the violence used. His appeal is due to a legal techicality re his extradition as to whether Germany had the right to try him....nothing to do with challenging the evidence

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: If Brueckner is Never Charged.
« Reply #278 on: July 07, 2020, 11:26:09 AM »
He says the idea of a random burglar taking maddie is unlikely and I agree. Do we know what his thoughts are now that  Breukner is on the scene...a man with a history of burgary...paedophilia...sexual assault... . I would think this will have altered his views considerably

Why would he change his views when there's nothing to substantiate CB's involvement?

Are you seeing any of the 'sceptics' changing their views?

The fact CB lived in the locale with such a profile is irrelevant unless there's something connecting him to MM's disappearance.
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: If Brueckner is Never Charged.
« Reply #279 on: July 07, 2020, 11:26:53 AM »

The guilty verdict for rape is a matter of record...as is the violence used. His appeal is due to a legal techicality re his extradition as to whether Germany had the right to try him....nothing to do with challenging the evidence

I'll reserve judgement until the sentence is imposed.
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline jassi

Re: If Brueckner is Never Charged.
« Reply #280 on: July 07, 2020, 11:31:34 AM »
I'll reserve judgement until the sentence is imposed.

Shouldn't have too long to wait.
I saw somewhere that the case was going to be heard in the ECJ on 16th July.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Mr Gray

Re: If Brueckner is Never Charged.
« Reply #281 on: July 07, 2020, 11:33:33 AM »
Why would he change his views when there's nothing to substantiate CB's involvement?

Are you seeing any of the 'sceptics' changing their views?

The fact CB lived in the locale with such a profile is irrelevant unless there's something connecting him to MM's disappearance.

Thats your opinion not his.....My opinion is that it would be astonishing if this does not affect his opinion giving the facts we have about Breukner.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: If Brueckner is Never Charged.
« Reply #282 on: July 07, 2020, 11:35:39 AM »
I'll reserve judgement until the sentence is imposed.

Your judgement is of absolutely no importance...the facts are there for all to see. Guilty of a violent rape...appeal on a legal technicality. Many cites alraedy supplied

Offline Mr Gray

Re: If Brueckner is Never Charged.
« Reply #283 on: July 07, 2020, 11:36:48 AM »
What date did Ian Horrocks give his assessment and what is his view on the matter since Bruckner surfaced as a suspect?

The facts revealed re breukner will certainly have to have affected his view...his view will be based on the  available evidence and the available evidence has changed

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: If Brueckner is Never Charged.
« Reply #284 on: July 07, 2020, 11:38:03 AM »
Shouldn't have too long to wait.
I saw somewhere that the case was going to be heard in the ECJ on 16th July.

Thanks.  I've put it in my electronic diary  ?>)()< 8(>((
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?