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Offline faithlilly

Re: If Brueckner is Never Charged.
« Reply #630 on: July 15, 2020, 03:26:57 PM »
If he is released he may well be immediately arrested

He’s in a German prison....they could have questioned him and charged him at any time.....why wait until he’s released ?
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Gertrude

Re: If Brueckner is Never Charged.
« Reply #631 on: July 15, 2020, 03:29:02 PM »
by the German police...there may welll be several things he can be charged with...possession of child pornography and held on remand as he is liable to flee

He was doing time for child abuse images in 2017/ 2018. I doubt they found more whilst he was locked up and then tried for the rape.

'The German was convicted of sexually abusing a child and possession of child pornography and served a 15-month prison sentence in his homeland.'

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/07/05/madeleine-mccann-suspect-could-have-snatched-another-child-say/


Offline jassi

Re: If Brueckner is Never Charged.
« Reply #632 on: July 15, 2020, 03:30:44 PM »
He was doing time for child abuse images in 2017/ 2018. I doubt they found more whilst he was locked up and then tried for the rape.

'The German was convicted of sexually abusing a child and possession of child pornography and served a 15-month prison sentence in his homeland.'

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/07/05/madeleine-mccann-suspect-could-have-snatched-another-child-say/

Not much of a sentence.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline The General

Re: If Brueckner is Never Charged.
« Reply #633 on: July 15, 2020, 03:37:52 PM »
He’s in a German prison....they could have questioned him and charged him at any time.....why wait until he’s released ?
Dav may have seen that happen on Hawaii-5-0 once when he was a young man.
Brueck 'em Danno!
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Offline faithlilly

Re: If Brueckner is Never Charged.
« Reply #634 on: July 15, 2020, 03:43:31 PM »
Not much of a sentence.

Indeed. Though we know of someone found guilty of having thousands of obscene photographs of children on his hard drive yet he wasn’t even given a custodial sentence.

https://www.ipswichstar.co.uk/news/ipswich-man-avoids-prison-after-downloading-over-40-000-indecent-images-of-children-1-5283183
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: If Brueckner is Never Charged.
« Reply #635 on: July 15, 2020, 05:49:10 PM »
"I can see where this is all leading now. PJ have had an anonymous tip off about where to find the body & it will be located in Gerry's blue tennis bag at the bottom of a well. The concrete evidence Germans have will turn out to have been faked & planted by MI6. The McCanns will be extradited to Portugal on a murder charge just in time for EAW's to still be valid. Hic."

I've been pondering my previous tongue-in-cheek post made on another thread & something rather disturbing came into my mind - so much so it kept me awake last night for hours.
Suppose the PJ have had an "anonymous" tip off regarding the location of Madeleine's body, details of which they haven't shared with the German police. Are PJ now in a race against time to locate the body before German police complete their investigation into CB? It struck me that, if PJ have the body & it's found in Vila do Bispo where GM's phone pinged in late July, PJ then have a complete case against the McCanns (circumstantial, body, dogs, phone pings, hypothesis etc).
The Germans, on the other hand, need the body, confirmation CB used the mobile phone central to their investigation in Luz + forensics linking him to 5A. If PJ refuse to assist the Germans by granting them access to the forensics &/or skeletal remains examinations then the German investigation may not reach a level required for prosecution.
Hypothetically, the aforementioned could result in what may be a unique legal situation  whereby the McCanns would need to use evidence obtained by the Germans against CB in defence of a criminal prosecution against themselves. Would Portuguese courts even permit evidence obtained by another country's legal system to be used as such a defence? How could CB be simultaneously prosecuted in Germany for the same crime against Madeleine as the MCCanns would be in Portugal?
I foresee a situation in which the Portuguese could apply for an EAW to bring the McCanns to face trial in Portugal, the UK refuse to extradite based on what the Germans have uncovered & no-one ever sees the inside of a courtroom. The Portuguese would blame the UK, the Germans would blame Portugal & the real criminals would be cock-a-hoop.
All my own, slightly demented, opinion.
No way would the Portuguese be able to concoct a case against the McCanns on finding her body miles from PdL,  unless they can find evidence of what they did with the body between 3rd May and the end of July.  Good luck with that PJ!
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline Mr Gray

Re: If Brueckner is Never Charged.
« Reply #636 on: July 15, 2020, 06:25:39 PM »
He’s in a German prison....they could have questioned him and charged him at any time.....why wait until he’s released ?

I've explained before....

Offline Billy Whizz Fan Club

Re: If Brueckner is Never Charged.
« Reply #637 on: July 15, 2020, 06:45:00 PM »
No way would the Portuguese be able to concoct a case against the McCanns on finding her body miles from PdL,  unless they can find evidence of what they did with the body between 3rd May and the end of July.  Good luck with that PJ!

Pure speculation but this would be possible based on analysis of hair samples provided they belong to MM and were found in certain places. Also if there’s a court case either the prosecution or defence will want further forensic testing using enhanced methods.... As Dr Perlin put it he wouldn’t be using a magnifying glass where a microscope is required.

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: If Brueckner is Never Charged.
« Reply #638 on: July 15, 2020, 07:02:24 PM »
Pure speculation but this would be possible based on analysis of hair samples provided they belong to MM and were found in certain places. Also if there’s a court case either the prosecution or defence will want further forensic testing using enhanced methods.... As Dr Perlin put it he wouldn’t be using a magnifying glass where a microscope is required.
So let’s say a hair of Madeleine’s was found in a freezer big enough for a body in a house in PdL.  You would also need to find something to link A McCann adult to the freezer.  I think the likelihood that this has happened is way lower than the likelihood that CB is involved. 
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline Anthro

Re: If Brueckner is Never Charged.
« Reply #639 on: July 15, 2020, 07:19:35 PM »
by the German police...there may welll be several things he can be charged with...possession of child pornography and held on remand as he is liable to flee
I agree. German authorities have said that they have completed their investigation into Brückner re. Madeleine. They did not say they have abandoned their inquiry. They may well have new information since the time they made public the phone numbers that are of interest. Much can be achieved within six weeks.

Offline Gertrude

Re: If Brueckner is Never Charged.
« Reply #640 on: July 15, 2020, 07:43:27 PM »
I agree. German authorities have said that they have completed their investigation into Brückner re. Madeleine. They did not say they have abandoned their inquiry. They may well have new information since the time they made public the phone numbers that are of interest. Much can be achieved within six weeks.

Where have they said they've completed their investigation? Today they said they would like to conclude it within a few months.

Offline Anthro

Re: If Brueckner is Never Charged.
« Reply #641 on: July 15, 2020, 07:43:49 PM »
I agree. German authorities have said that they have completed their investigation into Brückner re. Madeleine. They did not say they have abandoned their inquiry. They may well have new information since the time they made public the phone numbers that are of interest. Much can be achieved within six weeks.
On another forum, it has been said that it is unlikely that Brückner will be freed due to the 2/3 penalty-rule in Germany for the drug-trafficking sentence  he is currently serving in Kiel because in the past, he avoided his convictions and broke the parole-orders. German law is strictly, abiding by this rule. That is also the reason why Wolters doesn't seem to be pressed for time to have him convicted.
websleuths/MadeleineMcCann

Offline The General

Re: If Brueckner is Never Charged.
« Reply #642 on: July 15, 2020, 07:49:17 PM »
Where have they said they've completed their investigation? Today they said they would like to conclude it within a few months.
It's interesting. You reap what you sow. They're probably sifting through the data they have received from their appeal and it may take several weeks to follow up the more promising of leads. But they knew this when they went public, which suggests to me that they're not too concerned about the timescale or him being released, as they've got the child porn charges in the back pocket as a minimum.
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Offline Anthro

Re: If Brueckner is Never Charged.
« Reply #643 on: July 15, 2020, 07:51:47 PM »
Where have they said they've completed their investigation? Today they said they would like to conclude it within a few months.
German officials investigating Madeleine McCann prime suspect Christian Brueckner are preparing to end their investigation, as police today revealed they hoped to make a decision on whether or not to charge him 'within months', reports suggest.

Lead prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters today warned his team had no plans to 'drag this out unnecessarily' and said they would 'draw a line under' the investigation at some point, the Sun reports.

It comes as detectives are  set to learn on Thursday if Brueckner will be released from jail.

The serial sex offender is currently in prison in Germany serving a sentence for drugs offences - and should be starting a seven-year jail term for the rape of an elderly American woman in Portugal in 2005.

But his lawyers have appealed the conviction on a legal technicality and the European Court of Justice is poised to give its verdict in two days' time.

Today police said say they will decide whether to charge him or not 'within months', while Braunschweig's public prosecutor Mr Wolters told the Sun: 'Of course we have an interest in keeping our suspect in custody.

'This gives us access to interrogations in the event of an indictment. We have no endeavors to drag this out unnecessarily. We'll draw a line at some point and see.'
Daily Mail, 15 July 2020.


Offline Anthro

Re: If Brueckner is Never Charged.
« Reply #644 on: July 15, 2020, 07:54:02 PM »
German officials investigating Madeleine McCann prime suspect Christian Brueckner are preparing to end their investigation, as police today revealed they hoped to make a decision on whether or not to charge him 'within months', reports suggest.

Lead prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters today warned his team had no plans to 'drag this out unnecessarily' and said they would 'draw a line under' the investigation at some point, the Sun reports.

It comes as detectives are  set to learn on Thursday if Brueckner will be released from jail.

The serial sex offender is currently in prison in Germany serving a sentence for drugs offences - and should be starting a seven-year jail term for the rape of an elderly American woman in Portugal in 2005.

But his lawyers have appealed the conviction on a legal technicality and the European Court of Justice is poised to give its verdict in two days' time.

Today police said say they will decide whether to charge him or not 'within months', while Braunschweig's public prosecutor Mr Wolters told the Sun: 'Of course we have an interest in keeping our suspect in custody.

'This gives us access to interrogations in the event of an indictment. We have no endeavors to drag this out unnecessarily. We'll draw a line at some point and see.'
Daily Mail, 15 July 2020.
‘End’ vs ‘complete’. Semantics really.