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Offline Brietta

Re: If Brueckner is Never Charged.
« Reply #1305 on: August 06, 2020, 05:11:05 PM »
European court of justice advises Madeleine McCann suspect was lawfully tried in rape case
Preliminary opinion a setback for Christian Brückner’s attempt to appeal conviction using European arrest warrant rules


Kate Connolly

Thu 6 Aug 2020 15.24 BSTLast modified on Thu 6 Aug 2020 15.56 BST

The prime suspect in the disappearance of the British toddler Madeleine McCann was told that he was lawfully put on trial for rape last year, as his lawyers attempt to overturn that conviction at the European court of justice.

Christian Brückner, a 43-year-old German, is trying to overturn his conviction for the rape of a 72-year-old American woman in Praia da Luz, Portugal, in 2005. He has argued at the ECJ that he had been extradited to Germany from Portugal, and later Italy, on a different charge.

According to European arrest warrant rules he should not have been able to have been subsequently put on trial for a separate crime, his lawyers said.

They said that German authorities had required Portugal’s consent in order to bring the rape proceedings, owing to the fact that the June 2017 extradition order was for drugs charges.

But a preliminary opinion by the advocate general Michal Bobek said the consent of the Italian authorities was all that was necessary for the Germans to pursue the proceedings against Brückner for the rape in 2005 in Portugal. .

Brückner was in Italy when charged with the rape, and authorities there had given consent for him to be tried in Germany.

Bobek’s appraisal is not legally binding and the court has yet to make a ruling, but it is usual practice for ECJ judges to follow the opinion of its advocate generals.

A spokesperson for Germany’s prosecutor said: “We are satisfied and waiting for the decision of the court over the next few weeks.”

When the hearing at the ECJ in Luxembourg opened last month the German prosecutor’s lawyer, Felix Halabi, had argued that Brückner’s argument was “nonsensical”. He said: “The suspect made the most of European open borders and now he wants us to interpret the law so as to get it turned on its head in order to give him an advantage in court.”

Brückner is in a high-security prison in the northern port city of Kiel, serving a 21-month sentence for drug trafficking. His jail term is due to end in January.

If Brückner’s appeal against the rape conviction fails he will be in custody until 2027.

According to Bobek’s assessment the European arrest warrant rules were irrelevant for Brückner’s case, owing to the fact that he had, in the interim, left Germany of his own accord, and returned to the country on a fresh European arrest warrant. This was carried out by authorities in Italy, who had approved the German authorities’ request.

Bobek said the restrictions, which would have been relevant for the first arrest warrant, would no longer be in place once a separate warrant had been issued.

Brückner was originally extradited from Portugal to Germany in 2017 to serve a sentence for the sexual abuse of a minor from which he had absconded. He served the one year and three months sentence and was released on 31 August 2018. Police attempts to keep him in Germany failed and he went to the Netherlands then on to Italy before being arrested there in September 2018.

He was convicted for the 2005 rape in December 2019 and sentenced to seven and a half years in jail.

German prosecutors have repeatedly said they believed Brückner killed Madeleine. Hans Christian Wolters, the Braunschweig prosecutor leading the investigation, said investigators had “concrete evidence” that he killed her but so far had no “forensic evidence”.

It remains unclear how strong the evidence is and prosecutors have not brought charges against him.

A week ago investigators spent two days in a Hanover suburb digging up an allotment plot once used by Brückner. The police have given no further information on the search.

The UK’s Metropolitan police said they were continuing to treat the disappearance of Madeleine as a missing person inquiry.

Brückner’s appeal is ongoing.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/aug/06/european-court-advises-madeleine-suspect-was-lawfully-tried-for


As yet nothing has been writ on tablets of stone ~ but with any luck one of Brueckner's victims may well see a form of justice for having her life wrecked.

Nobody can say that Brueckner's lawyers haven't pulled out all the stops on his behalf ... in my opinion they are certainly earning their corn.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline jassi

Re: If Brueckner is Never Charged.
« Reply #1306 on: August 06, 2020, 05:15:59 PM »
European court of justice advises Madeleine McCann suspect was lawfully tried in rape case
Preliminary opinion a setback for Christian Brückner’s attempt to appeal conviction using European arrest warrant rules


Kate Connolly

Thu 6 Aug 2020 15.24 BSTLast modified on Thu 6 Aug 2020 15.56 BST

The prime suspect in the disappearance of the British toddler Madeleine McCann was told that he was lawfully put on trial for rape last year, as his lawyers attempt to overturn that conviction at the European court of justice.

Christian Brückner, a 43-year-old German, is trying to overturn his conviction for the rape of a 72-year-old American woman in Praia da Luz, Portugal, in 2005. He has argued at the ECJ that he had been extradited to Germany from Portugal, and later Italy, on a different charge.

According to European arrest warrant rules he should not have been able to have been subsequently put on trial for a separate crime, his lawyers said.

They said that German authorities had required Portugal’s consent in order to bring the rape proceedings, owing to the fact that the June 2017 extradition order was for drugs charges.

But a preliminary opinion by the advocate general Michal Bobek said the consent of the Italian authorities was all that was necessary for the Germans to pursue the proceedings against Brückner for the rape in 2005 in Portugal. .

Brückner was in Italy when charged with the rape, and authorities there had given consent for him to be tried in Germany.

Bobek’s appraisal is not legally binding and the court has yet to make a ruling, but it is usual practice for ECJ judges to follow the opinion of its advocate generals.

A spokesperson for Germany’s prosecutor said: “We are satisfied and waiting for the decision of the court over the next few weeks.”

When the hearing at the ECJ in Luxembourg opened last month the German prosecutor’s lawyer, Felix Halabi, had argued that Brückner’s argument was “nonsensical”. He said: “The suspect made the most of European open borders and now he wants us to interpret the law so as to get it turned on its head in order to give him an advantage in court.”

Brückner is in a high-security prison in the northern port city of Kiel, serving a 21-month sentence for drug trafficking. His jail term is due to end in January.

If Brückner’s appeal against the rape conviction fails he will be in custody until 2027.

According to Bobek’s assessment the European arrest warrant rules were irrelevant for Brückner’s case, owing to the fact that he had, in the interim, left Germany of his own accord, and returned to the country on a fresh European arrest warrant. This was carried out by authorities in Italy, who had approved the German authorities’ request.

Bobek said the restrictions, which would have been relevant for the first arrest warrant, would no longer be in place once a separate warrant had been issued.

Brückner was originally extradited from Portugal to Germany in 2017 to serve a sentence for the sexual abuse of a minor from which he had absconded. He served the one year and three months sentence and was released on 31 August 2018. Police attempts to keep him in Germany failed and he went to the Netherlands then on to Italy before being arrested there in September 2018.

He was convicted for the 2005 rape in December 2019 and sentenced to seven and a half years in jail.

German prosecutors have repeatedly said they believed Brückner killed Madeleine. Hans Christian Wolters, the Braunschweig prosecutor leading the investigation, said investigators had “concrete evidence” that he killed her but so far had no “forensic evidence”.

It remains unclear how strong the evidence is and prosecutors have not brought charges against him.

A week ago investigators spent two days in a Hanover suburb digging up an allotment plot once used by Brückner. The police have given no further information on the search.

The UK’s Metropolitan police said they were continuing to treat the disappearance of Madeleine as a missing person inquiry.

Brückner’s appeal is ongoing.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/aug/06/european-court-advises-madeleine-suspect-was-lawfully-tried-for


As yet nothing has been writ on tablets of stone ~ but with any luck one of Brueckner's victims may well see a form of justice for having her life wrecked.

Nobody can say that Brueckner's lawyers haven't pulled out all the stops on his behalf ... in my opinion they are certainly earning their corn.


Which victims did you have in mind ?
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline barrier

Re: If Brueckner is Never Charged.
« Reply #1307 on: August 06, 2020, 05:57:52 PM »
Strong or concrete evidence isnt proof so isnt enough to convict.....so all those saying the Germans have nothing might want to have another think.

Presumption of innocence means they have nothing.
This is my own private domicile and I shall not be harassed, biatch:Jesse Pinkman Character.

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: If Brueckner is Never Charged.
« Reply #1308 on: August 06, 2020, 05:58:47 PM »
Presumption of innocence means they have nothing.
Explain the logic.
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline Mr Gray

Re: If Brueckner is Never Charged.
« Reply #1309 on: August 06, 2020, 06:21:19 PM »
Presumption of innocence means they have nothing.
Of course it doesnt.....about the worst post you've ever made

Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: If Brueckner is Never Charged.
« Reply #1310 on: August 06, 2020, 06:24:33 PM »
youre totally mistaken...the Germans have said they have concrete evidence...some posters want to believe they have nothing...

With the 'concrete' evidence and the allegedly circumstantial evidence they must be able to pin it on him...
'Never underestimate the power of stupid people'... George Carlin

Offline Mr Gray

Re: If Brueckner is Never Charged.
« Reply #1311 on: August 06, 2020, 06:29:14 PM »
With the 'concrete' evidence and the allegedly circumstantial evidence they must be able to pin it on him...

concrete evidence isnt proof but we will see

Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: If Brueckner is Never Charged.
« Reply #1312 on: August 06, 2020, 06:37:29 PM »
concrete evidence isnt proof but we will see

why use the term concrete evidence- this sounds like he certainly did it, AND they can prove it!

If they say circumstantial evidence that is more acceptable and believable.
'Never underestimate the power of stupid people'... George Carlin

Offline Brietta

Re: If Brueckner is Never Charged.
« Reply #1313 on: August 06, 2020, 06:43:36 PM »

Which victims did you have in mind ?

Did you miss out on the fact he is a paedophile and a convicted rapist.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Mr Gray

Re: If Brueckner is Never Charged.
« Reply #1314 on: August 06, 2020, 06:46:18 PM »
why use the term concrete evidence- this sounds like he certainly did it, AND they can prove it!

If they say circumstantial evidence that is more acceptable and believable.

thats all your opinion....whats your experience in prosecution?
Concrete evidence is evidence but may not be proof. Some posters want to believe they have nothing. I think that is ridiculous...we will see


Offline jassi

Re: If Brueckner is Never Charged.
« Reply #1315 on: August 06, 2020, 06:51:50 PM »
Did you miss out on the fact he is a paedophile and a convicted rapist.

For which he has served/ is going to serve sentences, so justice has been done.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Mr Gray

Re: If Brueckner is Never Charged.
« Reply #1316 on: August 06, 2020, 06:54:12 PM »
For which he has served/ is going to serve sentences, so justice has been done.

You think...like the young thugs who dragged  a policeman to his death...they will serve their sentence and you believe justice is then done

Offline jassi

Re: If Brueckner is Never Charged.
« Reply #1317 on: August 06, 2020, 07:03:47 PM »
You think...like the young thugs who dragged  a policeman to his death...they will serve their sentence and you believe justice is then done


Yes - that's the law.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Mr Gray

Re: If Brueckner is Never Charged.
« Reply #1318 on: August 06, 2020, 07:05:12 PM »

Yes - that's the law.

its the law but not justice

Offline jassi

Re: If Brueckner is Never Charged.
« Reply #1319 on: August 06, 2020, 07:06:31 PM »
its the law but not justice

In the eyes of the Law it is.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future