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Offline G-Unit

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« Reply #10065 on: May 11, 2021, 05:47:32 PM »
So you are firmly convinced that Operation Grange is a corrupt entity then?

No, I have never said it was corrupt.
No-one here believes the parents were directly involved in MM's disappearance because belief without evidence is useless.

Offline Vertigo Swirl

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« Reply #10066 on: May 11, 2021, 06:20:37 PM »
No, I have never said it was corrupt.
If it came across evidence which pointed to another crime other than abduction but which it refused to investigate because it was not part of the remit that would be a sign of a corrupt investigation. 
Mare's eat oat's and doe's eat oat's and little lamb's eat ivy.

Offline G-Unit

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« Reply #10067 on: May 11, 2021, 06:56:58 PM »
If it came across evidence which pointed to another crime other than abduction but which it refused to investigate because it was not part of the remit that would be a sign of a corrupt investigation.

So who exactly do you think would come across such evidence?
No-one here believes the parents were directly involved in MM's disappearance because belief without evidence is useless.

Offline Davel

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« Reply #10068 on: May 11, 2021, 07:15:56 PM »
So who exactly do you think would come across such evidence?

What evidence do you think couold possibly exist....think about it. What could any investigation do to find any evidence that might exist adaginst the McCanns

Offline Vertigo Swirl

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« Reply #10069 on: May 11, 2021, 07:20:58 PM »
So who exactly do you think would come across such evidence?
Erm.. members of the  investigative team, who else?!
Mare's eat oat's and doe's eat oat's and little lamb's eat ivy.

Offline Vertigo Swirl

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« Reply #10070 on: May 11, 2021, 07:24:02 PM »
What evidence do you think couold possibly exist....think about it. What could any investigation do to find any evidence that might exist adaginst the McCanns
Well, a colleague of Gerry could contact Operation Grange and tell them that when they were down the pub and when Gerry was very drunk that he blurted out he knew what had happened to Madeleine for example.  According to G-Unit Operation Grange would have to ignore this information and carry on investigating an abduction as Parental involvement is not part of the remit.  Willfully ignoring evidence is evidence of a corrupt investigation is it not?
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Mare's eat oat's and doe's eat oat's and little lamb's eat ivy.

Offline Davel

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« Reply #10071 on: May 11, 2021, 07:35:07 PM »
Well, a colleague of Gerry could contact Operation Grange and tell them that when they were down the pub and when Gerry was very drunk that he blurted out he knew what had happened to Madeleine for example.  According to G-Unit Operation Grange would have to ignore this information and carry on investigating an abduction as Parental involvement is not part of the remit.  Willfully ignoring evidence is evidence of a corrupt investigation is it not?

perverting the course of justice...in fact is SY as an organisation guilty of perverting the course of justice

Offline Vertigo Swirl

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« Reply #10072 on: May 11, 2021, 07:51:52 PM »
perverting the course of justice...in fact is SY as an organisation guilty of perverting the course of justice
Many sceptics appear to believe so IMO.
Mare's eat oat's and doe's eat oat's and little lamb's eat ivy.

Offline G-Unit

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« Reply #10073 on: May 11, 2021, 08:46:38 PM »
Erm.. members of the  investigative team, who else?!

They pass it up the chain of command and it's either acted on or not.
No-one here believes the parents were directly involved in MM's disappearance because belief without evidence is useless.

Offline Vertigo Swirl

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« Reply #10074 on: May 11, 2021, 08:55:19 PM »
They pass it up the chain of command and it's either acted on or not.
And your point is?
Mare's eat oat's and doe's eat oat's and little lamb's eat ivy.

Offline G-Unit

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« Reply #10075 on: May 11, 2021, 10:41:42 PM »
And your point is?

The direction which an organisation follows is decided by those at the top.
No-one here believes the parents were directly involved in MM's disappearance because belief without evidence is useless.

Offline Vertigo Swirl

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« Reply #10076 on: May 11, 2021, 11:04:18 PM »
The direction which an organisation follows is decided by those at the top.
And who is at the top of Operation Grange?  Are they the ones you believe are corrupt and intent on perverting the course of justice?  And you think those lower down the rank, having been handed evidence that goes contrary to the abduction theory pass it upwards and blindly accept orders to ignore it do you?  Making them complicit in the corruption?   
Mare's eat oat's and doe's eat oat's and little lamb's eat ivy.

Offline G-Unit

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« Reply #10077 on: May 12, 2021, 07:19:05 AM »
And who is at the top of Operation Grange?  Are they the ones you believe are corrupt and intent on perverting the course of justice?  And you think those lower down the rank, having been handed evidence that goes contrary to the abduction theory pass it upwards and blindly accept orders to ignore it do you?  Making them complicit in the corruption?

It's not corrupt to keep an investigation on the track laid down by it's remit. You're obsessed with the idea of corruption!
No-one here believes the parents were directly involved in MM's disappearance because belief without evidence is useless.

Offline Vertigo Swirl

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« Reply #10078 on: May 12, 2021, 07:33:07 AM »
It's not corrupt to keep an investigation on the track laid down by it's remit. You're obsessed with the idea of corruption!
So what do you call it when police deliberately ignore evidence that points towards one set of suspects? 
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Mare's eat oat's and doe's eat oat's and little lamb's eat ivy.

Offline Vertigo Swirl

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« Reply #10079 on: May 12, 2021, 08:11:45 AM »
From the Wikipedia page on police corruption:

Case of Marc Dutroux[edit]
In 2004, the high-profile case of Belgian serial killer and child molester Marc Dutroux resulted in outrage in the community amidst allegations of police corruption and incompetence. Dutroux was meant to be under police surveillance the night he kidnapped two of his victims, but the police had programmed the camera to operate only during the day. The police failed to locate two living victims being held captive during a search of Dutroux's home in 1995. A locksmith who was accompanying the police during the search said he heard children's cries, but was dismissed by the police. The police claimed that they did not view seized videotapes of Dutroux constructing his "dungeon" as at the time they had no VCR. Dutroux claimed he was part of a sex ring that involved high-ranking members of Belgian police and government. The widespread anger over the continued failings of the police and Dutroux's sex-ring allegations, as well as residing judge Jean-Marc Connerott's dismissal, led to the "White March" in 1996, demanding reforms to Belgian police and judicial systems. Connerotte testified that the investigation was deliberately hampered by officials. Dutroux also escaped from police custody in 1998 before being apprehended. A parliamentary commission into the Dutroux case in 1998 found that the defendant benefited from police corruption and incompetence. Although police were cleared of direct compliance in Dutroux's crimes, the report cited major gross negligence throughout Belgium's police system, and an overhaul was called for. The case severely damaged the Belgian community's trust in their police and law enforcement systems.[34

So once again I ask:  do sceptics think that Operation Grange is corrupt, and has been set up specifically to deflect from the crimes of the McCanns by focusing solely on stranger abduction and have they set out to pervert the course of justice by deliberately  ignoring any evidence that pointed back at the parents?
Mare's eat oat's and doe's eat oat's and little lamb's eat ivy.