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Re: Vincent Tabak and the Murder of Joanna Yeates
« Reply #750 on: January 26, 2017, 03:24:17 PM »
John

The fact that VT pleaded guilty to manslaughter does not necessarily provide a clue, just as some people's "not guilty" pleas are not necessarily sound!

Only in cases where people are not of sound mind. Tabak knew he would be found guilty so thought he could get a better deal by pleading to manslaughter.  If he was totally innocent as you suggest then pleading guilty to anything would never have occurred to him.
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Re: Vincent Tabak and the Murder of Joanna Yeates
« Reply #751 on: January 26, 2017, 04:17:37 PM »
John

The fact that VT pleaded guilty to manslaughter does not necessarily provide a clue, just as some people's "not guilty" pleas are not necessarily sound!

Pleading guilty to involvement to any extent in Joanna Yeates death is highly significant.  That was Vincent Tabak's undoing imo.  All the excuses under the sun will never change that fact.  He thought he could cut a deal and get a few years for manslaughter but it backfired on him big time.

I myself was offered a deal in my case but I told them where to stick it because accepting such a deal would preclude any future hope of appealing successfully if the situation arose.
« Last Edit: January 26, 2017, 04:23:57 PM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

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Re: Vincent Tabak and the Murder of Joanna Yeates
« Reply #752 on: January 26, 2017, 08:40:11 PM »
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« Reply #753 on: January 27, 2017, 12:41:52 AM »
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Re: Vincent Tabak and the Murder of Joanna Yeates
« Reply #754 on: January 27, 2017, 08:12:13 AM »
Believe it or not, people do plead guilty to crimes that they haven't done, for a variety of reasons.


www.ipt-forensics.com/library/coerced.htm


www.economist.com/node/21525840


Also, some people come to believe that they have done something that they haven't done:

www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2913318


So, although it is possible that Vincent Tabak pleaded guilty because he actually was guilty, this is not necessarily the case.

He was on suicide watch in prison:  he had never before been inside a police station, let alone on remand in a high security prison. We do not know whether or not he had a breakdown/was severely depressed/was under the influence of medication/was treated badly: all these scenarios are possible.  He was also denied visitors for three weeks after being placed on remand.

By the time of the trial, he certainly gave the impression of being a broken man.

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Re: Vincent Tabak and the Murder of Joanna Yeates
« Reply #755 on: January 27, 2017, 10:22:08 AM »
Believe it or not, people do plead guilty to crimes that they haven't done, for a variety of reasons.


www.ipt-forensics.com/library/coerced.htm


www.economist.com/node/21525840


Also, some people come to believe that they have done something that they haven't done:

www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2913318


So, although it is possible that Vincent Tabak pleaded guilty because he actually was guilty, this is not necessarily the case.

He was on suicide watch in prison:  he had never before been inside a police station, let alone on remand in a high security prison. We do not know whether or not he had a breakdown/was severely depressed/was under the influence of medication/was treated badly: all these scenarios are possible.  He was also denied visitors for three weeks after being placed on remand.

By the time of the trial, he certainly gave the impression of being a broken man.


Extremely interesting mrswah, I found this particular piece revealing....


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Re: Vincent Tabak and the Murder of Joanna Yeates
« Reply #756 on: January 27, 2017, 10:51:25 AM »
I think I've answered my own question: 


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Re: Vincent Tabak and the Murder of Joanna Yeates
« Reply #757 on: January 28, 2017, 08:55:40 AM »
Things are always a matter of interpretation...

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Re: Vincent Tabak and the Murder of Joanna Yeates
« Reply #758 on: January 28, 2017, 09:25:05 AM »
Believe it or not, people do plead guilty to crimes that they haven't done, for a variety of reasons.


www.ipt-forensics.com/library/coerced.htm


www.economist.com/node/21525840


Also, some people come to believe that they have done something that they haven't done:

www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2913318


So, although it is possible that Vincent Tabak pleaded guilty because he actually was guilty, this is not necessarily the case.

He was on suicide watch in prison:  he had never before been inside a police station, let alone on remand in a high security prison. We do not know whether or not he had a breakdown/was severely depressed/was under the influence of medication/was treated badly: all these scenarios are possible.  He was also denied visitors for three weeks after being placed on remand.

By the time of the trial, he certainly gave the impression of being a broken man.

Although it is possible that Vincent Tabak pleaded guilty, this is not necessarily the case. There is very strong evidence that he did NOT plead guilty. The following evidence points to the a false plea obtained by tampering with the video-link.

(1) On 31st January 2011, Judge Colman Treacy "pencilled in" a date for the start of the trial, and also a date, 4th May 2011, for the defendant's plea and case management hearing at Bristol Crown Court.

http://swns.com/news/jo-yeates-murder-vincent-tabak-gets-trial-date-14737/

(2) On 4th May 2011, a correspondent of mine who is resident in Somerset went to Bristol with the intention of sitting in the public gallery for the plea hearing. No such hearing was listed on the Crown Court timetable for that day, nor was there any clarification. My correspondent subsequently sat in the public gallery for several days of the trial later in the year.

(3) On 5th May 2011, the press reported that Vincent Tabak's plea and case management hearing was held at the Old Bailey, London - the only one of his hearings not to be held in Bristol. No explanation for the change of date and venue was published. The press had been tipped off about the changes, but the public had not been told.

(4) Instead of Judge Treacy, the hearing was held before Mr. Justice Richard Field, the judge who would also hear the trial. The defendant had not previously appeared before Judge Field, who would not be able to recognise Vincent Tabak. No explanation was published for the change of judge.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2011/may/05/joanna-yeates-neighbour-admits-killing

(5) At this hearing, Mr Nigel Lickley QC made his second appearance as Counsel for the Prosecution of this defendant. As Vincent Tabak appeared only by video-link on both occasions, Counsel could not be held responsible if the person claiming to be the defendant were not the same person on both occasions.

(6) At this hearing, Mr. William Clegg QC made his first appearance as Counsel for the Defence of this defendant. He was instructed by Ian Kelcey, a different solicitor from the one who had instructed the barristers who had represented Vincent Tabak at the earlier hearings, from a different law firm. There is no evidence of Mr. Kelcey ever having been present at any of the hearings, nor is there any evidence of Mr. Clegg ever having visited Vincent Tabak in prison. So Mr. Clegg could not possibly say whether the person on the video screen at the Old Bailey was the real Vincent Tabak.

(7) Mr. & Mrs. Yeates were escorted by a police officer, Emma Davies, from Bristol to London for the plea hearing. Neither of them had ever met the defendant, so they could not be sure whether he was the person on the screen.

(8) Neither Greg Reardon, nor any of Vincent Tabak's friends, nor his family, nor Hilary Douglas, the only journalist who had interviewed Vincent Tabak, nor anyone else who would recognise him by sight, was reported to be present at the Old Bailey.

(9) After Mr. & Mrs Yeates got home, they told a journalist that they had expected Vincent Tabak to plead guilty. This was an admission that Emma Davies had told Jo's parents beforehand, and she could have known only if it were the police and prosecution who controlled the plea.

(10) When he heard about the plea, the Tabak family spokesman said he was shocked by the news and had heard no suggestion that a guilty plea would be entered.

(11) When he heard about the plea, Vincent Tabak's friend Joran Jessuran, a software engineer from Eindhoven University, tweeted that he had not expected that.

(12) DCI Phil Jones made a statement to the press outside the Old Bailey after the hearing. He was not reported to have been inside the courtroom. It is possible that he had met Vincent Tabak at the police station after he was first arrested, but he took no part in the prisoner's interrogation.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jo-yeates-neighbour-vincent-tabak-126826

(13) The only evidence allegedly linking Vincent Tabak to the crime was enhanced DNA and 11 coat fibres on the victim's clothes, and microscopic blood traces from the victim in the boot of the car he used. He had no motive so his lawyers had no reason to allow him to plead guilty to killing her.

Just as an actress was engaged to impersonate Joanna Yeates in a TV reconstruction, it would have been straightforward to hire an actor resembling Vincent Tabak to impersonate him for the plea hearing. The room in which the actor sat could have been anywhere. Bristol is a centre of expertise for cartoon animation, so it is also possible that the plea was entered by a digital video simulation of Vincent Tabak.
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« Reply #759 on: January 28, 2017, 09:31:04 AM »
This I find Interesting:......


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« Reply #760 on: January 28, 2017, 10:31:06 AM »
Welcome Leonora...

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« Reply #761 on: January 28, 2017, 10:33:26 AM »
 Leonora can I ask.... have you been following this thread?????

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Re: Vincent Tabak and the Murder of Joanna Yeates
« Reply #762 on: January 28, 2017, 10:50:41 AM »
Leonora can I ask.... have you been following this thread?????
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Re: Vincent Tabak and the Murder of Joanna Yeates
« Reply #764 on: January 28, 2017, 10:56:44 AM »
Yes, welcome, Leonora.

I find the change of date and venue for the plea hearing very strange.  The frequent changes of lawyers is very strange too. So is the fact that Jo's parents seemed to be aware of how VT would plead: I would have thought they would expect him to deny everything.

I wonder whether they had been told about VT's meetings with Brotherton??  The public had not been told anything about that before 5th May.

There is so much that is fishy about this case, that you could be right about the impostor, but there is no evidence that such a scenario took place. Only somebody who had seen VT before the May 5th hearing, and who was also present on that day could tell us whether the man they saw was actually VT.

Why would Vincent not have insisted that he had not pleaded guilty, and that he had not been given an opportunity to plead anything?

Why would he have gone along with the scenario presented at the trial (which, I firmly believe, was a "script" devised by his lawyers).?

Why didn't he change his plea later?