Vincent Tabak and the Murder of Joanna Yeates

[Leonora]

Do you know whether Joanna's diaries were handed over to the police?  The police should certainly have asked for them.

Mrs Yeates mentioned only one "diary", and that was at their second public appeal on TV, while Joanna was still missing, but where her parents had come to believe she had been abducted.  Even I would not suggest that the police would been so ineffective as to have overlooked the diary to which Mrs Yeates would have drawn their attention. The police apparently knew enough to eliminate her boyfriend (very unobtrusively) by the Wednesday evening of the week in which she was reported missing. But whether it was the diary that gave them leads, or, as I feel is much more likely, the 2nd witness statement that the landlord had signed earlier that day, is something we are not being allowed to know.

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Vincent Tabak was "put into the witness box" by his own Defence Counsel. His testimony was given in response to a succession of questions put to him by his own Counsel. Then it was the turn of Counsel for the Prosecution to cross-examine him. As far as I can make out, his own QC questioned him for a second time, after he had been reduced to a "snivelling wretch" by Counsel for the Prosecution.

The Defence Council does not appear to have helped their client, I couldn't get over the insults they threw about!!!

It's like a Tag Team....

I believe Dr Vincent Tabak was badgered on the witness stand and that is one reason he fell apart, I believe the other reason was he possibly believed the evidence, if presented to it's fullest.. Would show that he was innocent of these charges... whether or not he pled guilty to Manslaughter.

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Mrs Yeates mentioned only one "diary", and that was at their second public appeal on TV, while Joanna was still missing, but where her parents had come to believe she had been abducted.  Even I would not suggest that the police would been so ineffective as to have overlooked the diary to which Mrs Yeates would have drawn their attention. The police apparently knew enough to eliminate her boyfriend (very unobtrusively) by the Wednesday evening of the week in which she was reported missing. But whether it was the diary that gave them leads, or, as I feel is much more likely, the 2nd witness statement that the landlord had signed earlier that day, is something we are not being allowed to know.

You might like to chew over the artist's impression of Joanna's body in this link:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2053178/Joanna-Yeates-trial-verdict-Vincent-Tabak-guilty-murder.html
I don't want to post it on the thread as we will all be accused of showing disrespect for her and her family if I did.

Regards, LLLLLL

That's the artist's impression I have been referring to, which shows she is wearing Blue Jeans and not Grey/Black Jeans, which she is seen wearing on the Friday evening.

That post look like it was supposed to be a message????

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I'm sat here pondering as to how the initial advice given to Dr vincent Tabak, didn't help him...

Now I am slightly confused as to what statements and what vows of silence Dr Vincent Tabak made...

I have virtually come to believe he makes no comment... but that cannot be the case surely?

Why didn't his first solicitor advise him to make a statement of the facts on Friday 17th December 2010?

If Dr Vincent Tabak has said "No Comment".. throughout his interrogation,  that would not help him in the slightest, it would only add to him appearing guilty.

When did Dr Vincent Tabak speak to the Police to give his Timeline for the Friday??  why would his Solicitor then and when he changed solictors tell him to say No comment..???

Did Dr Vincent Tabak just sit with his solicitor and just saying No comment?????

If that is the case then he did not defend him... he should have had him out of custody and on bail... The only people you imagine languishing in a prison cell are those caught red handed,.

Can anyone expand on this?????

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this isn't clear...

The jury was told the 33-year-old Dutch engineer went to the Asda store twice and did his shopping on the second visit.

We are aware he goes into Asda Twice.... what are the time gaps between the two visits????

Did he drive off and come back sometime later???

Did he walk out and walk back in.....

When he says he went TWICE to Asda in Bedminster, that sound like two separate visits.....

What time were these visits ???? Did he go earlier like he said he intended to go, then again near 10:30pm ????


This is why we need the TimeStamps on the ASDA video....






http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-15240284

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There we have it...........

Tabak and his girlfriend spent the New Year in Holland, where Miss Morson contacted police with information about their landlord Christopher Jefferies - who was arrested and later cleared.
But when detectives flew to the Netherlands to take a statement from the couple, Tabak appeared to offer an inconsistent version of events, the jury was told.
Mr Lickley said: "They asked Tabak to provide a DNA mouth-swab and fingerprint... He would have to be eliminated from inquiries."

See..... TANJA contacted the police about CJ's car.... NOT Dr Vincent Tabak!!!!! So why fly to Holland to interview Tanja... and why spend all that time interviewing Dr Vincent Tabak?????


Version of events???? what are they talking about... If that weekend has No particular meaning to you, why would you remember what happened on that weekend...

I forget things all the time...

Ask me what i did last weekend and I couldn't tell you... I'd really have to think about it and probably forget a few things..

Does that mean if I remember and the events have changed , because I thought about it a little more... that I could be arrested?????








http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-15240284

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In January 2011, at Line 10 of the prosecution chart
Tabak Googled news about Joanna Yeates and a label and letter sent to a public house.
He Googled the words
‘Jo Yeates’
‘Jo Yeates murder’

This has to be the 7th January because after this date I cannot see him searching for Joanna Yeates..

On the morning of January 7 2011, shortly after Tabak had returned from holiday and weeks after Yeates body had been found, the Dutch international searched online for "Jo Yeates". He then began watching pornography:

How can he search for the Pizza and note 3 days before it was revealed it had been sent to the pub????

This next quote is almost laughable.

On Friday 3 December, two weeks before he killed Yeates, Tabak made telephone contact with "Mimi", Lickley told the judge. The call was returned and almost immediately Tabak made two cash withdrawals of $100 each.

On 5 December Tabak left the hotel his company had paid for and checked in under a false name, Francis Tabak, at the Peach Tree Inn in San Luis Obispo, 150 miles from Los Angeles. The prosecution believes the withdrawal of cash and the checking into a hotel under a false name could be evidence of him paying for sexual services.

So on the 3rd December 2010 he's happy to see a lady of the night in his hotel room: 

She met Tabak – who was sentenced to a minimum of 20 years in jail - at his hotel in downtown Los Angeles while he was in the U.S. on a business trip for his engineering firm Buro Happold last November.

 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2055281/Joanna-Yeates-murderer-Vincent-Tabak-slept-LA-prostitute-Princess-Butterfly.html#ixzz4Ye0YjVdW

Yet... he manages to drive 150 miles away to meet 2 other prostitutes...... *&*%£

Well it's further!!!  3 hour drive to a destination he knows nothing about to meet a lady of the night.... I don't think so!!!! (attached map and distance)...


Are they off their heads!!!! 

why would he drive 150 miles if on the 3rd he was happy for one to come to his hotel room (allegedly)

The Dutchman murdered Jo Yeates just 15 days after visiting Ms Butterfly and paying her $200 (£125) for sex.

So did he pay Mimi $200 or Princess Butterfly $200 ??? They only ever said he withdrew two cash amount of $100 each.. And I am positive that these encounters who be CASH only!!!!!

A website - called Rebecca Devine Escort Site - has emerged featuring pictures of Miss Devine in a number of revealing and provocative poses.

Now I did my usual and did a range of dates and could not find this website!!!!

The whole thing is made up nonsense to try and imply that Dr Vincent Tabak has some sort of sexual perversion...

This about the prostitutes is absolute tosh!!!



Again.... just like the porn... they would not expect anyone to check it out... so can say whatever they like.... Doesn't mean it is TRUE.......


Did his Defence Council ever check this information????????

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/vincent-tabak-enjoyed-violent-sexual-images-women-239655

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I just had a thought..........  In the early part of the investigation,it was reported that CJ liked Film Noir...

Which made me think.... Did the Police possibly see Tabak's name on CJ's computer???

https://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=nl&u=http://www.vpro.nl/cinema/films/film~542031~short-story-cinema-the-investigator~.html&prev=search

Short Story Cinema: The Investigator

1994 Matthew Tabak, 25 minutes
You are here:

cinema
movies
USA 1994. Film noir of Matthew Tabak. With ao Vincent D'Onofrio, Anne Heche, Dayton Callie, Frank Collison and Claude File.

VPRO Cinema

You have the names Vincent and Tabak there!!!!!   

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0228435/

Edit:..... it may sound a little far fetched... But... I do not understand why the Police would think that Dr Vincent Tabak had helped CJ!!!  and visa versa...

Why would the landlord and his tenant engage in such an act together.... which one would benefit from this action????

Neither!!!!!! (IMO)

[Leonora]

The Defence Council does not appear to have helped their client, I couldn't get over the insults they threw about!!!

It's like a Tag Team....

I believe Dr Vincent Tabak was badgered on the witness stand and that is one reason he fell apart, I believe the other reason was he possibly believed the evidence, if presented to it's fullest.. Would show that he was innocent of these charges... whether or not he pled guilty to Manslaughter.

Sorry I hit the wrong key yesterday. I don't believe for one moment that VT "fell apart". All the signs are that he played the role of scapegoat by prior agreement, and we can only speculate how it came to that.

You have previously posted that killers "normally" walk their victim to the place where they are to be killed. If VT really had been the killer, then moving the body would certainly have been the actions of "a crazy detached person", not an engineer with a PhD in modelling the movement of people. The unnamed detectives in this article seem to agree:
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/171886/Jo-Yeates-murdered-at-home-say-cops
In my opinion crime journalist Jerry Lawton was being groomed to make the public receptive to VT as the killer. The dumping of the body suggests (1) she was killed in a place where the killer could not allow her to remain, (2) she was not killed by VT, (3) she may have been killed in her flat by someone who was known to visit it, including friends and her boyfriend.

The absence of evidence of DNA in the flat is not evidence of the absence of DNA in the flat. It could be that there was no forensic evidence in her flat at all, but in my opinion it is much more likely that DNA was found that the prosecution don't want us to know about. It could be that the use hazardous chemicals and the stains in the bathroom reveal that the scientists were called in deliberately to cleanse the place permanently of DNA and fingerprints from persons whose presence an outside police force could not be allowed to detect:
http://swns.com/news/jo-yeates-murder-forensic-experts-continue-to-examine-canynge-road-properties-12949/

[Leonora]

I'm sat here pondering as to how the initial advice given to Dr vincent Tabak, didn't help him...

Now I am slightly confused as to what statements and what vows of silence Dr Vincent Tabak made...

I have virtually come to believe he makes no comment... but that cannot be the case surely?

Why didn't his first solicitor advise him to make a statement of the facts on Friday 17th December 2010?

If Dr Vincent Tabak has said "No Comment".. throughout his interrogation,  that would not help him in the slightest, it would only add to him appearing guilty.

When did Dr Vincent Tabak speak to the Police to give his Timeline for the Friday??  why would his Solicitor then and when he changed solictors tell him to say No comment..???

Did Dr Vincent Tabak just sit with his solicitor and just saying No comment?????

If that is the case then he did not defend him... he should have had him out of custody and on bail... The only people you imagine languishing in a prison cell are those caught red handed,.

Can anyone expand on this?????

It wasn't like that. He had previously given at least two statements to the police describing his movements on the evening in question. Some of the eighty questions to which he answered "No comment" are listed in this article, though I have seen a longer list somewhere:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jo-yeates-murder-trial-vincent-275169
The duty solicitor was from a firm in Radstock. Her identity has never been made public. In the course of two days of questioning she prepared three statements for him to sign - Nos. 1, 2 and 3.

In my opinion she acted properly but both her firm and the Bristol barristers whom it instructed were well and truly deceived by the mastermind at the CPS.

[Leonora]

This has to be the 7th January because after this date I cannot see him searching for Joanna Yeates..


How can he search for the Pizza and note 3 days before it was revealed it had been sent to the pub????

This next quote is almost laughable.

So on the 3rd December 2010 he's happy to see a lady of the night in his hotel room: 

 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2055281/Joanna-Yeates-murderer-Vincent-Tabak-slept-LA-prostitute-Princess-Butterfly.html#ixzz4Ye0YjVdW

Yet... he manages to drive 150 miles away to meet 2 other prostitutes...... *&*%£

Well it's further!!!  3 hour drive to a destination he knows nothing about to meet a lady of the night.... I don't think so!!!! (attached map and distance)...


Are they off their heads!!!! 

why would he drive 150 miles if on the 3rd he was happy for one to come to his hotel room (allegedly)

So did he pay Mimi $200 or Princess Butterfly $200 ??? They only ever said he withdrew two cash amount of $100 each.. And I am positive that these encounters who be CASH only!!!!!

Now I did my usual and did a range of dates and could not find this website!!!!

The whole thing is made up nonsense to try and imply that Dr Vincent Tabak has some sort of sexual perversion...

This about the prostitutes is absolute tosh!!!



Again.... just like the porn... they would not expect anyone to check it out... so can say whatever they like.... Doesn't mean it is TRUE.......


Did his Defence Council ever check this information????????

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/vincent-tabak-enjoyed-violent-sexual-images-women-239655

St Luis O'Bispo is the oldest community in the neighbourhood, and just the sort of tourist place where someone like VT, all on his own in a foreign country, would go for his weekend relaxation. He probably used the cash he allegedly withdrew to hire a mountain bike.

You can see that it was tosh. I can see that it was tosh. Why couldn't the serious journalists at The Guardian and the BBC not work out for themselves that it was tosh? There is something very sinister about the way they turned their brains off when reporting what Counsel for the Prosecution said in court.

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After posting about the Film Noir... I seriously got to thinking, WHY the Police believed that CJ and Dr Vincent Tabak had colluded????

Think about it... there is no possible reason for them to come to that conclusion...

Dr Vincent Tabak and CJ did not socialise, they had no relationship other than tenant and Landlord...

Firstly why would CJ engage the help from a tenant whom he didn't know in any capacity that would make him think he could trust him with such a venture..

It would be more prudent for CJ to have someone he actually knew help him....

So we are back to why??? 

And there is ONLY ONE possible reason why.....

That is because they needed someone to let Dr Vincent Tabak into Joanna Yeates Flat!!!!!

The story that she let him in is just that..... A Story!!!!


If Dr Vincent Tabak had not revealed how he got into Joanna Yeates flat until September when he signed his statement, then a story needed concocting to state how he managed the task.... ( he might not have even mentioned that in his signed statement!!)

The Chaplain tripe about him confessing, never mentions how Dr Vincent Tabak gained access to Joanna Yeates Flat, and in March by all acounts Dr Vncent Tabak does not divulge anything in regards to the crime.


So who devised the access angle???  If up until March they decided that CJ had colluded????????

[Leonora]

After posting about the Film Noir... I seriously got to thinking, WHY the Police believed that CJ and Dr Vincent Tabak had colluded????

Think about it... there is no possible reason for them to come to that conclusion...

Dr Vincent Tabak and CJ did not socialise, they had no relationship other than tenant and Landlord...

Firstly why would CJ engage the help from a tenant whom he didn't know in any capacity that would make him think he could trust him with such a venture..

It would be more prudent for CJ to have someone he actually knew help him....

So we are back to why??? 

And there is ONLY ONE possible reason why.....

That is because they needed someone to let Dr Vincent Tabak into Joanna Yeates Flat!!!!!

The story that she let him in is just that..... A Story!!!!


If Dr Vincent Tabak had not revealed how he got into Joanna Yeates flat until September when he signed his statement, then a story needed concocting to state how he managed the task.... ( he might not have even mentioned that in his signed statement!!)

The Chaplain tripe about him confessing, never mentions how Dr Vincent Tabak gained access to Joanna Yeates Flat, and in March by all acounts Dr Vncent Tabak does not divulge anything in regards to the crime.

So who devised the access angle???  If up until March they decided that CJ had colluded????????

It had never crossed my mind that anyone would attribute the prolonged bail of CJ to a suspicion by the police that he and VT had colluded. Both the chief constable and the chief investigating officer produced explanations for CJ's bail at Leveson, on which I do not wish to waste any time. My objection to your theory is that even the police would never believe that a "crazy detached person" would collude with another to commit a crime. That implies a serious MOTIVE. Throughout this case we have been told that the victim's character was irreproachible and therefore no one could have had a motive to kill her.

But it is true that the powers that be got everyone believing the most ridiculous tosh about this case, so who better that Avon & Somerset's own mistress of tosh to contrive the tall story that CJ let VT into Jo's flat so that he could lie in wait and pounce on her?

I am quite sure that the purpose of the long bail of CJ was to keep him underground to prevent him from revealing the true contents of his 2nd witness statement, about his sightings at 44 Canynge Road. He knew this already when he was doorstepped by journalists. He was set up to LOOK like a "crazy detached person". And who set him up?

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It had never crossed my mind that anyone would attribute the prolonged bail of CJ to a suspicion by the police that he and VT had colluded. Both the chief constable and the chief investigating officer produced explanations for CJ's bail at Leveson, on which I do not wish to waste any time. My objection to your theory is that even the police would never believe that a "crazy detached person" would collude with another to commit a crime. That implies a serious MOTIVE. Throughout this case we have been told that the victim's character was irreproachible and therefore no one could have had a motive to kill her.

But it is true that the powers that be got everyone believing the most ridiculous tosh about this case, so who better that Avon & Somerset's own mistress of tosh to contrive the tall story that CJ let VT into Jo's flat so that he could lie in wait and pounce on her?

I am quite sure that the purpose of the long bail of CJ was to keep him underground to prevent him from revealing the true contents of his 2nd witness statement, about his sightings at 44 Canynge Road. He knew this already when he was doorstepped by journalists. He was set up to LOOK like a "crazy detached person". And who set him up?

leonora... I have posted a transcribed Video of CJ saying that the police thought that him and Dr Vincent Tabak had colluded!

Under Suspicion.. Now I gather that one of the reasons for the delay was that Vincent Tabak when he was arreated.... refused to say anything...And therefore the police continued to entertain the suspicion that possibly there had been some sort of collusion... Between myself and Vincent Tabak

This is from the mouth of CJ......

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=7613.msg368738#msg368738

i've put the correct link now... it is from the video!!!!

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It wasn't like that. He had previously given at least two statements to the police describing his movements on the evening in question. Some of the eighty questions to which he answered "No comment" are listed in this article, though I have seen a longer list somewhere:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jo-yeates-murder-trial-vincent-275169
The duty solicitor was from a firm in Radstock. Her identity has never been made public. In the course of two days of questioning she prepared three statements for him to sign - Nos. 1, 2 and 3.

In my opinion she acted properly but both her firm and the Bristol barristers whom it instructed were well and truly deceived by the mastermind at the CPS.

I a love list Leonora 

:: Whether he had done anything to stop her screaming.

Odd... screaming mentioned in the questioning

:: Whether he had strangled her from the front or behind.

They must know  where the finger impressions are... sounds like they don't!

:: Whether he had attempted to revive her.

So she had to be unconcious

:: Why he needed to put his hands around her throat.

Oh Yes.... to stop her screaming

:: Where the strangulation took place.

Kitchen apparently

:: Whether he had a conversation with her.

Yes in the kitchen apparently

:: Whether he went into the bedroom or lounge.

Needed to establish ear-ring in bed!

:: Whether she had done anything to lead him on.

flirty remark about cat... apparently..

:: Was she dead when he put her in the boot of the Renault Megane.
 
Yes two attempts

:: When did he take her to Longwood Lane.

Needed to be Friday to fit with the only time he was on his own..

:: Whether his drinking had increased following her death.

Apparently it did!!

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jo-yeates-murder-trial-vincent-275169


If these where the questions he was asked when he was first arrested... isn't it coincidental that they coincide with the eventual story Dr Vincent Tabak regurgitated.