Vincent Tabak and the Murder of Joanna Yeates

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Morning All.... (arguing) figure of speech.. 

"The police had phoned us at least twice while we were there. Tanja and I discussed the business of being asked to help move his car in the icy drive on Saturday December 18.

Why were the police constantly contacting them... It appears early on they had decided that it had to be someone in that building... But why??

Paul .. alot of tiny details may be important, we just don't know...

And Dr Vincent Tabak did plead guilty.... But, the question is why??? I do not believe the story he gave on the witness stand... it just covers all the bases:......

:: Whether he had been invited into her flat.

:: Whether he had made sexual advances to her.

:: Whether he had done anything to stop her screaming.

:: Whether he had strangled her from the front or behind.

:: Whether he had attempted to revive her.

:: Why he needed to put his hands around her throat.

:: Where the strangulation took place.

:: Whether he had a conversation with her.

:: Whether he went into the bedroom or lounge.

:: Whether she had done anything to lead him on.

:: Was she dead when he put her in the boot of the Renault Megane.

:: When did he take her to Longwood Lane.

:: Whether his drinking had increased following her death.

These questions are interesting and so early on... And coincidently, Dr Vincent Tabak covered these questions in court... Too coincidently in my opinion...

He never goes beyond them.. he doesn't have an answer because he doesn't know.... he wasn't there...

Even if you believe that he put her on the bed.. he needs to understand why that is important... because her simply being laid on the bed isn't good enough.

The earring was found under the duvet... so her being placed on the bed makes no sense, and they never explained why her other earring was under a pile of clothing??

This is also the reason I do not believe he normally went past Joanna Yeates flat as a means to exit the building... It was Joanna and Gregs private area.. He and Tanja has a much easier means of exit..

If he had gone past there building as much as they make out, then probability dictates they would have seen each other more than once...

The question was she dead before he put her in the car... Is odd...

There must be something about her... Maybe stomach contents or lack of body fluids, would suggest they believed she was alive at this point..

Yet apparently he had her in his flat for an hour..... So if there's a lack of body fluids, this suggest she was killed else where.. Or that when she was found there, body fluids were present....

All I can say is I do not believe he did it!!.. where is the GPS signal putting him in Longwood Lane or following him to that destination??? Now that would be good evidence... Not a pathetic attempt to just cover each base!!!!!

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jo-yeates-murder-trial-vincent-275169

[PaultheRed]

I've been away for a few days and while away I searched bus timetables on my Google Phone , low and behold my Laptop has that search on in its history so proving that VT could have made searches on his phone while not on his laptop , he could have searched for manslaughter instead of murder to fabricate his story so as to serve a lesser sentence &  not a life sentence.

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I've been away for a few days and while away I searched bus timetables on my Google Phone , low and behold my Laptop has that search on in its history so proving that VT could have made searches on his phone while not on his laptop , he could have searched for manslaughter instead of murder to fabricate his story so as to serve a lesser sentence &  not a life sentence.

So your saying whilst he was driving he decided it was most important to check the weather and news.....

I don't think so.... You forgot he was lost for 2 minutes, so it is still impossible for him to do those 2 searches....

He is seen leaving at 1:38am... drives to the centre of Bristol and get lost..... 

He doesn't think oww... I know I'll check the weather and news and ring Tanja at the same time.....


If he had done this on his mobile phone I'm sure the prosecution would have pounced on it, to try show he was covering his track.....

They would have corallated the information of the two devices and they never did!!!

Even if you want to take those two searches away Paul, as I can see you do..... Explain what looking for Rock Salt in the Netherlands is gonna do for him??????

Explain how on the 7th January 2011 he managed to look for the pizza and note sent to the pub,... 3 days before it was in the papers.. YET... they didn't bring the pizza and note to trial as evidence!!!!!

Explain where the Dutch text is!!!!!!!

On saying that the mobile phone could play a part in the searches.... So could Tanja's as they where both users of the same laptop.....

Maybe the two searches were Tanja's as she waited to be picked up by Dr Vincent Tabak!!!!!

Mobile phones you are deciding, that he has them attached to his computer history which has not been proven or may not be the case...

He would probably need to sync his computer and phone...  Your assuming he does this...  The same history would be in his mobile phone and that too would have been said if the searches had been done on his mobile phone!!!

He didn't attach his mobile phone to his work laptop... Now that is highly unlikely!!!!!



Edit...... we are talking nearly 7 years ago... I don't know if it would be possible??? And as for today.. I didn't know you could see your phone history on your laptop as part of your history searches within your laptop....

[PaultheRed]

Is it plausible that he switched his GPS signal off ?
Was his story cover all the bases to simple make it fit and to neither confirm or deny the real reasons ,

:: Whether he had been invited into her flat.No one can possibly know that other than her & him (VT)


:: Whether he had made sexual advances to her.It was stated that he blushed or could have ?

:: Whether he had done anything to stop her screaming.In his own words he tried to stop her screaming why would she have screamed ?

:: Whether he had strangled her from the front or behind.What difference does it make strangling her from the front or from behind he still strangled her in his and now your own words ?

:: Whether he had attempted to revive her.That might have suggested it was a accident but there was no mention of this .

:: Why he needed to put his hands around her throat.he placed his hands over her mouth and in the struggle they slipped around her throat ?

:: Where the strangulation took place.VT is the only person who can know that

:: Whether he had a conversation with her.VT is the only person who can know that

:: Whether he went into the bedroom or lounge.He was looking for something to move the body

:: Whether she had done anything to lead him on.VT is the only person who can know that

:: Was she dead when he put her in the boot of the Renault Megane.VT is the only person who can know that but the fact her blood was found there must suggest she was there does it not

:: When did he take her to Longwood Lane.VT is the only person who can know that

:: Whether his drinking had increased following her death & did that leave to his relationship ending and could the fact he tried to cheat on his girlfriend with the victim & he killed her would that not be reason enough for her not to want to visit him rather than her being denied access .

[PaultheRed]

Did he have a translating app on his phone for words he only knew it Dutch not English or was he fluent in both languages , Did he know that Maldon do Sea Salt/Rock Salt or was he using a famous Dutch Brand which he knew about .
If he used the Pizza to get her out of the flat or as a lure some other way he would know how significant the pizza is/was .
Why if it wasn't him that murdered or killed her has no one else's DNA been found or even anyone else's name been put forward , we simply don't know We can all have our own opinions but do they really count for anything not being flippant  , aggressive or nasty just questioning opinions that are based on conjecture , hearsay or non factual questions worded and made to make a case that he is innocent when in fact in his own words he did it .

[Leonora]

I've been away for a few days and while away I searched bus timetables on my Google Phone , low and behold my Laptop has that search on in its history so proving that VT could have made searches on his phone while not on his laptop , he could have searched for manslaughter instead of murder to fabricate his story so as to serve a lesser sentence &  not a life sentence.

In 2010 when this crime occurred, not many people owned phones capable of performing Google searches. VT and his girlfriend exchanged text messages and e-mails, and he carried out his Google searches on his laptop or one of the computers at his work. Nowhere is there any suggestion that either VT or his girlfriend possessed a smart phone.

You seem to have some kind of undeclared agenda that I do not understand. It is obvious from the evidence that has been posted on this thread that the case against VT was built on absolutely nothing, and this in turn makes it extremely likely that the crime was perpetrated by another. I don't need to speculate about the means they used to get him to say the things he did in court, but without these things there would have been no case against him. So they had to get him to say them. You need to take account of the absence of hard evidence against him when basing your own posts alone on what he himself said in court under some kind of coercion. It would be more respectful to other posters if you explained why you think his own defence lawyer told the court there was probably nothing to like about his client, instead of drawing the jury's attention to the sympathetic character that emerges from the Preface to his PhD thesis, the enthusiasm with which his firm had head-hunted him to the UK, and his good character both in Holland and in the UK (as previously mentioned by the lady from the CPS).

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Did he have a translating app on his phone for words he only knew it Dutch not English or was he fluent in both languages , Did he know that Maldon do Sea Salt/Rock Salt or was he using a famous Dutch Brand which he knew about .
If he used the Pizza to get her out of the flat or as a lure some other way he would know how significant the pizza is/was .
Why if it wasn't him that murdered or killed her has no one else's DNA been found or even anyone else's name been put forward , we simply don't know We can all have our own opinions but do they really count for anything not being flippant  , aggressive or nasty just questioning opinions that are based on conjecture , hearsay or non factual questions worded and made to make a case that he is innocent when in fact in his own words he did it .

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Now you know that doesn't make sense.....  Why would he need a translating app..... they are "Rubbish"!!!!!!!!!

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Is it plausible that he switched his GPS signal off ?
Was his story cover all the bases to simple make it fit and to neither confirm or deny the real reasons ,

:: Whether he had been invited into her flat.No one can possibly know that other than her & him (VT)


:: Whether he had made sexual advances to her.It was stated that he blushed or could have ?

:: Whether he had done anything to stop her screaming.In his own words he tried to stop her screaming why would she have screamed ?

:: Whether he had strangled her from the front or behind.What difference does it make strangling her from the front or from behind he still strangled her in his and now your own words ?

:: Whether he had attempted to revive her.That might have suggested it was a accident but there was no mention of this .

:: Why he needed to put his hands around her throat.he placed his hands over her mouth and in the struggle they slipped around her throat ?

:: Where the strangulation took place.VT is the only person who can know that

:: Whether he had a conversation with her.VT is the only person who can know that

:: Whether he went into the bedroom or lounge.He was looking for something to move the body

:: Whether she had done anything to lead him on.VT is the only person who can know that

:: Was she dead when he put her in the boot of the Renault Megane.VT is the only person who can know that but the fact her blood was found there must suggest she was there does it not

:: When did he take her to Longwood Lane.VT is the only person who can know that

:: Whether his drinking had increased following her death & did that leave to his relationship ending and could the fact he tried to cheat on his girlfriend with the victim & he killed her would that not be reason enough for her not to want to visit him rather than her being denied access .

these questions where put to him before he said anything... he never admitted to anything at this point,... So why would they even KNOW the supposed order of events and what or what did not take place!!!!!

Ridiculous to even suggest it.....

If... as you believe it was him.. he could have seen her going to the bins or anything.....  what makes it the way that they say it is before they have even got any evidence to support this way the events unfolded....

Why did she scream?????? This is only because DC Joe Goff decided to tell the world .. That the screams heard on the Friday Night was why they knew the time..... (idiot)(IMO)... You are a Detective..... "Detect"!!! don't just hazzard a guess!!!!!

They failed to take into account Kingdoms timeline!!!! Mid morning of the Saturday...

Just because neighbours heard screams does not mean it was Joanna Yeates.... As the time of some of the screams were before she would have reached home.....


"Whether he had a conversation with her???? "... now that doesn't even deserve a response!!!! They need a conversation to explain why he would be in her house....

If the screams are saying he did it immediatley.. then when did he converse with her..... ?? Through the letter box that doesn't have a hole in it?????

Or did he press the Intercom!!!  They  have to work a way for him to be inside that Flat as there was no forced entry!!!!

She's not gonna let him in...(full stop)......

As for him cheating on Tanja... I really do not believe that possible.... His first proper girlfriend who he was obviously smitten with... Texting and emailing each other constantly, I would not expect him to try it on with the first pretty girl he sees, there is No evidence to support the fact that Dr Vincent Tabak ever tried it on with any other female!!!!

Also... have you really thought about this.... with all his supposed searches, some say stalking... watching violent porn.... texting Tanja.... when did he have time to work!!

[PaultheRed]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/click_online/8523653.stm

[jixy]

You are picking and choosing info again. You are dismissing all Tabak says as lies. So why did he tell them. You have no proof whatsoever that he was forced to admit to a crime he didnt commit and at no point then or since has  he or anyone come up with anything to back up that theory so that is all it is... a theory to make him look innocent

He googled manslaughter etc and wanted the best possible outcome for his particular situation. There may well be huge holes in his story not because he is innocent but because he couldnt actually tell the truth including all facts as they unfolding.

That was definitely NOT in his best interests to offer anything that would make him look like a murderer...

[jixy]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/click_online/8523653.stm
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Good example Paul. Anyone who was even quite tech minded wanted the latest one

[PaultheRed]

Why is it impossible for me to make suggestions on what may or may not have occurred but it is perfectly okay for you to, your talk and write as if you know VT personally and as if you were there , your opinions can carry weight but mine are dismissed out of hand as rubbish , what gives you the right to belittle , condemn and suggest I'm an idiot , clearly it has to be your way or the highway  and you as a threesome attack & deny others opinions & bit unfair really .....

[PaultheRed]

I have an hidden agenda. only problem with that is the court agrees and ooosp wait a minute even VT agrees with it by his own confession so how is me thinking he is guilty a hidden agenda ?
By the way it wasn't me who made the suggestion he made a pass at her  it was you who offered up the cheating as in making a pass not me! a man making a pass that went wrong and ended up in manslaughter is still afar better option than a murderer serving a life sentence .

[jixy]

As for him cheating on Tanja... I really do not believe that possible.... His first proper girlfriend who he was obviously smitten with... Texting and emailing each other constantly, I would not expect him to try it on with the first pretty girl he sees, there is No evidence to support the fact that Dr Vincent Tabak ever tried it on with any other female!!!!

In the interests of sticking to the facts, it wasnt PaultheRed who assumed Tabak was a would be cheat, Tabak brought that idea to the table.

If in fact he was so inexperienced as some people assumed that would only add weight to an over the top reaction if he tried to make advances that were then knocked back

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Updates are done throughout the year ....... Updates are rarely stable, and anyone with any savvy would wait before updating anything on devices so that all the bugs have been ironed out!!!
You would have to know what phone Dr Vincent Tabak owned and when the update for that particular phone was available to put on his device.... And what bugs and glitches pertained to said update!!!

Currently 19 out of the top 20 manufacturers have signed up to support the video and animation platform.
The update will not be available on the iPhone because Apple has decided not to support the software.

What mobile phone did Dr Vincent Tabak own?????

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You are deciding he used Firefox as a browser!!!! 

I'm still not convinced that even though you sync between devices the search history from your mobile phone would come up on your laptop!!! ( a folder would appear)

It would sync the contents and photo's ,music etc...So that they would be able to be shifted between devices... Once the phone is unplugged from the laptop, the contents would no longer be there... There may be folders but they would be empty!!!

And even if as you say you have evidence left over from the phone.... your laptop would need to be the same operating system for it to be able to read the files... or at least have some sort of plug -in to aid this operation ...
But I still believe that the folders would be empty.. they would just have little kb files pertaining to the fact there had been a sync operation.

So what plug-in did Dr Vincent Tabak have on his laptop???


This evidence you say is not shown or explained in court by the IT Expert!

Also when ever new devices are previewed they do not become available till the August of the next year.. They tease us with the promise of flash phones , only for them to start becoming the last smart phone and really you want something completely different by the time they are released...

Talking all thing smartphone.... Did Joanna Yeates have a smartphone????

Because back in 2010 the battery life was Rubbish!!! So her phone should not have rung at 9:00pm on Sunday the 19th December 2010 if she died on the Friday!!!!

And lets just stop there.... Why didn't the computer whizz kid just get rid of the Hard Drive!!!!!!!!