Vincent Tabak and the Murder of Joanna Yeates

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Fortunately for us, the good Lord held his inquiry the year AFTER VT's murder trial, namely 2012. If he had wanted to elicit the truth, he would have invited you and me to sit in on his cross-examination of the trio from Avon & Somerset Constabulary. But he didn't, and the director of Corporate Communications went back to her home in Eastern-Super-Mare content in the knowledge that she had helped to ensure that no heads would roll that day. I wonder when you are going to talk about the elephant in the room?

What elephant in the room???????   I thought it was much sooner

[Leonora]

I wonder how the crime editor of the Sun got that information???

Jo had been wearing boots that day, and they were found in her flat, along with her coat.  If she WERE wearing shoes (or one shoe) when she was found, this would suggest she had gone out again. 

On the other hand, it's all rumour, IMO.  Some of what has been printed by the newspapers is just inaccurate, for example, the date on which Vincent and Tanja travelled to Holland, the claim that they had split up, etc.

That is the $64,000 question mrswah. Normally I would react by suspecting the Director of Corporate Communications herself as the source of the leak, as she is the most obvious source for all unattributed statements (from the police, a neighbour, a colleague) that might be incorrect, especially those that do prove to be incorrect.

However, in this case I believe The Sun paid its usual cheque to some disaffected cop who was fed up with poking the snow with his broom handle when he ought to have been at home enjoying his son's first Christmas. In my opinion the CIO's motive for withholding the information about the missing items was NOT the one that the Director of Corporate Communications stated under oath, but rather a quite different motive.

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That is the $64,000 question mrswah. Normally I would react by suspecting the Director of Corporate Communications herself as the source of the leak, as she is the most obvious source for all unattributed statements (from the police, a neighbour, a colleague) that might be incorrect, especially those that do prove to be incorrect.

However, in this case I believe The Sun paid its usual cheque to some disaffected cop who was fed up with poking the snow with his broom handle when he ought to have been at home enjoying his son's first Christmas. In my opinion the CIO's motive for withholding the information about the missing items was NOT the one that the Director of Corporate Communications stated under oath, but rather a quite different motive.

has to be a different motive if there is a "THIRD ITEM"???? 

What is it??????  What is this "THIRD ITEM"!!

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Picture of Joanna Yeates with Bag I was referring too.....

She wears it underneath her coat...

With the zip at the front... maybe that the part of the bag she goes into to get money from when she is at bargain booze.....

Notice she still wears a rucksack....

She definatley had a bag with her on the Friday 17th December 2010... But there is little or NO reference too it!!!!!!!

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[Leonora]

has to be a different motive if there is a "THIRD ITEM"???? 

What is it??????  What is this "THIRD ITEM"!!

Surely that is obvious? If the second item is a shoe, then the third item has to be the other shoe! To refer to items of clothing as "missing" was manipulative in my opinion. I am sure Joanna had many pairs of shoes, boots, socks and stockings. Who is to say whether any item that was not there was therefore "missing"? Neither the editor of The Sun, the Director of Corporate Communications, Joanna's boyfriend or you can possibly know which of them she might have chosen to put on, and which not to put on.

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Surely that is obvious? If the second item is a shoe, then the third item has to be the other shoe! To refer to items of clothing as "missing" was manipulative in my opinion. I am sure Joanna had many pairs of shoes, boots, socks and stockings. Who is to say whether any item that was not there was therefore "missing"? Neither the editor of The Sun, the Director of Corporate Communications, Joanna's boyfriend or you can possibly know which of them she might have chosen to put on, and which not to put on.

Could be the other shoe... But what happened to her BAG!!!!!

Also if she was wearing shoes... she would NOT be wearing those huge socks!!!!

As the jeans were skin tight... the socks would be clearly visible...

[Leonora]

What elephant in the room???????   I thought it was much sooner

Avon & Somerset Constabulary were frequently criticised in public for not doing enough to discover Jo, nor her killer, even though they searched umpteen cubic metres of garbage for the pizza and set 70 detectives on the case. However, life has to be experienced forwards, but understood backwards, as VT's intended father-in-law mysteriously remarked to the press at a time when he could think of nothing more useful to say. Sometimes the energy of the Constabulary deserves attention.

When a grown-up person is reported missing by a partner or spouse in the middle of the night, the most common reasons are a misunderstanding, an argument, drunkenness, forgetfulness, sudden illness, and infidelity. The natural reaction of the police officer on duty to Jo's boyfriend's 999 call would have been to suggest waiting until the next day to see if she turned up of her own accord. Instead, they sent two officers out to Canynge Road within the hour, and, not only that, these officers roused at least some of the other occupants.

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Talking of missing Items....

The drawing of how she looks when they found her in the foetal position in court.... Shows her without any socks whatsoever!!!!!!


Newspaper Article... please don't look if you think i'm being disrespectful... it's for information purposes only:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2053178/Joanna-Yeates-trial-verdict-Vincent-Tabak-guilty-murder.html

[PaultheRed]

He could quite easily have made the story up about going into her flat, misreading the signals making an improper pass and killing her by accident as that would carry a lesser sentence rather than telling the truth that he meticulously planned his attack on her and viciously murdered her , his girlfriend heard the story in her 2 hr visit with him and realised he was guilty as did his brother and female friend, are you seriously suggesting that someone put his DNA on her , Her Blood in his car, the 145 pictures, the many searches he made such as the different sentence for manslaughter compared to murder ( if you hear a body of a neighbour has been found why search manslaughter your instinct would be someone murdered her) , then he was forced to confess and say sorry to the family in court, never instruct his solicitor to say he was innocent or not once before, during or after all this time say he is innocent & has suffered a miscarriage of justice Why one can only presume because he is guilty & did murder her   

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When a grown-up person is reported missing by a partner or spouse in the middle of the night, the most common reasons are a misunderstanding, an argument, drunkenness, forgetfulness, sudden illness, and infidelity. The natural reaction of the police officer on duty to Jo's boyfriend's 999 call would have been to suggest waiting until the next day to see if she turned up of her own accord. Instead, they sent two officers out to Canynge Road within the hour, and, not only that, these officers roused at least some of the other occupants.

Yes.... Also he wouldn't know how long she had been missing for.. especially as Greg had said many times ,as other people had... that she did not always answer her phone...

So.... Basically she could have been missing 4 hours by this point!!!!

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He could quite easily have made the story up about going into her flat, misreading the signals making an improper pass and killing her by accident as that would carry a lesser sentence rather than telling the truth that he meticulously planned his attack on her and viciously murdered her , his girlfriend heard the story in her 2 hr visit with him and realised he was guilty as did his brother and female friend, are you seriously suggesting that someone put his DNA on her , Her Blood in his car, the 145 pictures, the many searches he made such as the different sentence for manslaughter compared to murder ( if you hear a body of a neighbour has been found why search manslaughter your instinct would be someone murdered her) , then he was forced to confess and say sorry to the family in court, never instruct his solicitor to say he was innocent or not once before, during or after all this time say he is innocent & has suffered a miscarriage of justice Why one can only presume because he is guilty & did murder her   

I'll cut to the chase...... 145 pictures are a complete untrue :

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=7613.msg382603;topicseen#msg382603

Not only he could have made up that story!!!

[Leonora]

Yes.... Also he wouldn't know how long she had been missing for.. especially as Greg had said many times ,as other people had... that she did not always answer her phone...

So.... Basically she could have been missing 4 hours by this point!!!!

Sorry, but I don't think that is in the least important IN THIS CONTEXT. I see no reason to question the timings in her boyfriend's own timeline. What is important was the speed of the police's response. They responded far quicker than normal police training would have warranted. This suggests that they already knew much more about the case than they want us to believe. The same goes for the choice of the name "Operation Braid". In my opinion these show that they ALREADY knew Jo had been "snatched", and they may even have known she was dead. Why? How could they? Maybe the missing black bag and the green fleece invented by Counsel for the Defence will give us a clue.

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Sorry, but I don't think that is in the least important IN THIS CONTEXT. I see no reason to question the timings in her boyfriend's own timeline. What is important was the speed of the police's response. They responded far quicker than normal police training would have warranted. This suggests that they already knew much more about the case than they want us to believe. The same goes for the choice of the name "Operation Braid". In my opinion these show that they ALREADY knew Jo had been "snatched", and they may even have known she was dead. Why? How could they? Maybe the missing black bag and the green fleece invented by Counsel for the Defence will give us a clue.

No... I am not questioning the boyfriends timelines.... As far as he is aware is is only missing 4 hours from when he arrives home...

And if he says he tried to contact her and had no response, but that wasn't unusual... then I am agreeing with you that, the police responded extremely quickly to a missing person, who for all intense and purposes was only missing for 4 hours at this point....


Her black bag was mentioned in the crimewatch reconstruction... if i recall correctly .... it had been mentioned in a paper before..

[Leonora]

I'll cut to the chase...... 145 pictures are a complete untrue :

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=7613.msg382603;topicseen#msg382603

Not only he could have made up that story!!!

There is no doubt that Counsel for the Prosecution made at least two attempts to get the judge's permission to tell the jury about the defendant's bad character, on account of the adult porn he watched and the escort girls whom he paid for sex. The judge said this was not evidence of bad character. He rejected the applications. There is also no possible doubt that the judge would have given permission to tell the jury about any picture of child abuse found on the defendant's computers, even if there was only one such image. The jury would have blanched, and the judge would have jumped at the opportunity to throw the defendant to PaultheRed, to be torn limb from limb. THERE WERE NO SUCH IMAGES - because if there had been, they would have been used as evidence of bad character. AND BECAUSE THERE WERE NO IMAGES OF CHILD ABUSE, VT MUST HAVE BEEN STITCHED UP.

[Leonora]

No... I am not questioning the boyfriends timelines.... As far as he is aware is is only missing 4 hours from when he arrives home...

And if he says he tried to contact her and had no response, but that wasn't unusual... then I am agreeing with you that, the police responded extremely quickly to a missing person, who for all intense and purposes was only missing for 4 hours at this point....

Her black bag was mentioned in the crimewatch reconstruction... if i recall correctly .... it had been mentioned in a paper before..

I posted over-hastily, because of course it IS important, even in THIS CONTEXT, whether she had been missing for 44 hours by the time her boyfriend got home, or 24 hours, or 4 hours, or didn't even disappear until after the time when he told the police he got home. Long before the police needed to put the time of her disappearance on Friday evening to enable them to convict Vincent Tabak, they were repeatedly energetic in ruling out any later disappearance. They did not "keep an open mind" as the CIO might have put it.

Oh yes, in my opinion it was champagne that the police would not tell us was in the black bag.