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Re: Vincent Tabak and the Murder of Joanna Yeates
« Reply #1185 on: February 17, 2017, 05:07:45 PM »
As I found out from bitter experience, legal aid gets you a lawyer and sometimes a barrister but little else.  The prosecution however can spend virtually limitless sums on investigations, on witnesses and on experts.  No it isn't fair but that is the system we in the UK are stuck with.

I'm afraid that in the world of justice, money does talk!

Well that is hardly Justice then is it!!!  Not surprised he didn't stand a cat in hells chance of getting a fair trial (IMO)


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Re: Vincent Tabak and the Murder of Joanna Yeates
« Reply #1186 on: February 17, 2017, 05:40:42 PM »
The likelihood of any appeal is severely limited because of his admission to manslaughter.  However, if someone were to come forward and admit to the crime the case would have to be reopened.  I must add that I find that particular scenario highly unlikely.


Yes, John, I agree it is unlikely------but such things have happened before.

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Re: Vincent Tabak and the Murder of Joanna Yeates
« Reply #1187 on: February 17, 2017, 10:23:53 PM »


My question is:  How do you help someone who obviously can't help themselves??????

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Re: Vincent Tabak and the Murder of Joanna Yeates
« Reply #1188 on: February 18, 2017, 04:06:18 PM »

My question is:  How do you help someone who obviously can't help themselves??????

Maybe VT has resigned himself to his punishment and just wants to get on with it? 
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

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Re: Vincent Tabak and the Murder of Joanna Yeates
« Reply #1189 on: February 18, 2017, 04:16:02 PM »
Could this have been a practise run?

Prostitute claims Joanna Yeates's killer Vincent Tabak tried to strangle her

An American prostitute has claimed Vincent Tabak tried to strangle her weeks before he murdered Joanna Yeates.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8858241/Prostitute-claims-Joanna-Yeatess-killer-Vincent-Tabak-tried-to-strangle-her.html
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A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

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Re: Vincent Tabak and the Murder of Joanna Yeates
« Reply #1190 on: February 18, 2017, 04:23:35 PM »
Maybe VT has resigned himself to his punishment and just wants to get on with it?
It is a lot easier than having a load of nut jobs saying you are innocent and trying to get you out.

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Re: Vincent Tabak and the Murder of Joanna Yeates
« Reply #1191 on: February 18, 2017, 05:27:13 PM »
Could this been a practise run?

Prostitute claims Joanna Yeates's killer Vincent Tabak tried to strangle her

An American prostitute has claimed Vincent Tabak tried to strangle her weeks before he murdered Joanna Yeates.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8858241/Prostitute-claims-Joanna-Yeatess-killer-Vincent-Tabak-tried-to-strangle-her.html


There is no evidence that this ever took place, John, or if it did, that the person was VT.  The police did not even investigate these escorts.

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Re: Vincent Tabak and the Murder of Joanna Yeates
« Reply #1192 on: February 18, 2017, 06:40:24 PM »
Maybe VT has resigned himself to his punishment and just wants to get on with it?



Always a possibility!

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Re: Vincent Tabak and the Murder of Joanna Yeates
« Reply #1193 on: February 18, 2017, 10:48:34 PM »


Always a possibility!

He will be moved to Holland in due course and I believe the prison regime there is quite civilised.
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

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« Reply #1194 on: February 19, 2017, 07:26:55 AM »
He will be moved to Holland in due course and I believe the prison regime there is quite civilised.

How is that likely to happen John????  It would be a start.....

Other people make judgements about the intentions of others without balancing the evidence that is available, and not questioning, far too many inconsistencies in this case, even If people believe in his guilt, they must admit that things just don't add up.....

So I am Happy to be apart of the discombobulation of lunatics society, I believe in his Innocence and maybe if there where more people in this country who give others a chance, then our prisons wouldn't have Innocent people languishing inside them.


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Re: Vincent Tabak and the Murder of Joanna Yeates
« Reply #1195 on: February 19, 2017, 07:37:34 AM »
He will be moved to Holland in due course and I believe the prison regime there is quite civilised.


How do you know that, John?

BTW, I read that they are closing prisons in Holland-----because they don't have enough prisoners to fill them!!

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Re: Vincent Tabak and the Murder of Joanna Yeates
« Reply #1196 on: February 19, 2017, 08:18:13 AM »

How do you know that, John?

BTW, I read that they are closing prisons in Holland-----because they don't have enough prisoners to fill them!!


 lol... well maybe they need to send Dr Vincent Tabak over...

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Re: Vincent Tabak and the Murder of Joanna Yeates
« Reply #1197 on: February 19, 2017, 12:59:12 PM »
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A difficult balancing exercise’

It was a difficult balancing exercise for the judge but, in my view, the right one: The only issue in the trial was intent and not sexual motive. That depended on the level of force and the time it would take to kill. In the end the pornography could only support a suggestion that he liked violent sex. This would have been admissible if he had denied killing, but he didn’t. In addition, the evidence was that most viewing of pornography was after the killing so, on balance, viewing strangulation pornography after the event would be more prejudicial than probative in a trial as it could cause the jury to leap to a conclusion rather than reaching a verdict on the evidence. Tabak’s sexual conduct online and with prostitutes could also have been used to rebut his assertions that he was morally correct but he was obviously such apoor witness that, as the verdict shows, it was better to reach a safe conviction on direct expert evidence than one based on an examination of his character and leave the now proved motive to the judge when setting the sentencing tariff.


So leonora stated that she believe that the porn arguement probably happened over two appearances, One when he goes to the old bailey and two when he was at trial...

Either way it was a poinless exersise according to this quote from the JusticeGap...

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In the end the pornography could only support a suggestion that he liked violent sex. This would have been admissible if he had denied killing,

Obviously these Lawyers have the experience to know that the porn would not be admissible at trial, so the arguement is completely pointless even if it was as the old Bailey it was first mentioned..

If by admitting he killed her... the porn could not be used... Both the Prosecution and the defence knew this..... (makes words like green and cabbage looking, spring to mind)...


So it shows that the porn was just for the media, and to plant in the mind of the public he was a sexual deviant!!! Not for any other reason than that...
I do not believe the porn existed and the arguement in court seems ridiculous if both the Prosecution and the Defence where aware that it wouldn't be admissible... taking picture to a judge and saying that they were on Dr Vincent Tabak computer without proof, is extremely easy to do.. The prosecution are fully aware that it would be thrown out, because Dr Vincent Tabak had pled guilty to manslaughter... So the only reason they were brought was to be used AFTER trial....

Why the judge even used the NONE fact of there existence to sentence Dr Vincent Tabak is beyond me!!!!!

Which beggars the question HOW????...the Judge could sentence him on the porn when it wasn't relevant or admissible???


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The judge concluded that the possession of strangulation pornography was reprehensible and later sentenced on the basis of sexually motivated murder but excluded that material from the consideration of the jury during the prosecution case.


Is that even Legal???????

Basically.... there was NO bad character evidence in relation to Dr Vincent Tabak... So where was his GOOD Character referrances??????

http://thejusticegap.com/2011/10/vincent-tabak-and-the-law-on-bad-character/


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Re: Vincent Tabak and the Murder of Joanna Yeates
« Reply #1198 on: February 19, 2017, 01:26:18 PM »
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Tabak’s sexual conduct online and with prostitutes could also have been used to rebut his assertions that he was morally correct but he was obviously such apoor witness that, as the verdict shows,

Well two questions in relation to this......

The prosecution should have argued that the so called prostitutes were brought to court to show his bad character, if he was such a poor witness it would be perfect for them... they could have run rings around him....

And secondly.... if he was such a poor witness which the defence should have realised early on before trial.... why did they put him on the stand in the first place!!!!!

http://thejusticegap.com/2011/10/vincent-tabak-and-the-law-on-bad-character/

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Re: Vincent Tabak and the Murder of Joanna Yeates
« Reply #1199 on: February 20, 2017, 08:52:30 AM »
I always wanted to know what the green tarpaulin was for .... I have found the contractors

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Workmen from D.R.A Maintenance Ltd put poles and green tarpaulin around Jo’s basement flat and Flat 2, which also overlooks the garden.


D R A Maintenance Ltd, address is at Channel Farm Oakridge Lane, Sidcot, Winscombe, Avon, BS25 1NJ and phone is 01934 842 975. Services/business category-Plumbers in Winscombe


D R A Maintenance Ltd
Channel Farm Oakridge Lane, Sidcot, Winscombe, Avon, BS25 1NJ
01934 842 975
BS25 1NJ
Plumbers in Winscombe


What did they need plumbers for ????

http://www.tradesmencorner.co.uk/listings/d-r-a-maintenance-ltd-01934-842-975/

I've attached a photograph... This has pavement slabs removed and replaced... there is also a manhole cover..

To me this suggests that they thought she had been down the manhole cover..
And the only reason for that is that she had not been on Longwood lane for 8 days....

The same outside Joanna Yeates flat???

I can't believe it was the sock they where looking for they wouldn't need tarpaulin for that!!!!
What are they looking for?????

It's either they thought she had been down there or they may have been looking for the clothes she wore on the friday...????

Anyone any ideas????

http://swns.com/news/tarpaulin-put-around-jo-yeates-and-neighbour-vincent-tabaks-flats-13962/

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