Vincent Tabak and the Murder of Joanna Yeates

[Leonora]

Surley it would be possible to get the information from the 23 plus firemen/women who attended the scene, unless its part of some offical secrets act, someone from the fire service may be able to shed some light on this...

The other thing is the coordinates... for some reason part of these coordinates have been redacted, that begs the question WHY?? If Joanna Yeates was where the Offical line says she was,, why hide the coordinates???

The pdf that mrswah posted early on in the thread shows only part of the coordinates, I believe it was released under the freedom of information act...

"Fire brigade surround the area where Joanna was discovered close to a quarry. They used a crane to shift the body from the scene":

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1341676/Missing-architect-Joanna-Yeates-We-assume-shes-dead--lives-gone-say-parents.html

"The Avon Fire Service helped police remove the body from the scene, which was clothed and covered in snow, in order to preserve the site for a thorough forensic examination."

[John]

Could it be possible that you could find out which firemen worked that shift?? Maybe if you know who the firemen are you could ask them..

Where they all real firemen?!  Just a suggestion....

Real firemen?

The fact that several appliances attended the recovery is not anything unusual since there are a multitude of reasons why this occurred.  To satisfy curiosity a request for clarification is a reasonable suggestion.

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"Fire brigade surround the area where Joanna was discovered close to a quarry. They used a crane to shift the body from the scene":

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1341676/Missing-architect-Joanna-Yeates-We-assume-shes-dead--lives-gone-say-parents.html

"The Avon Fire Service helped police remove the body from the scene, which was clothed and covered in snow, in order to preserve the site for a thorough forensic examination."

And when Policeman Andrew Mott took the stand.. he said they removed her with broom handles and straps... But the prosecution could not produce the photographic evidence of them removing her from the scene in this manner or any other manner...

[John]

And when Policeman Andrew Mott took the stand.. he said they removed her with broom handles and straps... But the prosecution could not produce the photographic evidence of them removing her from the scene in this manner or any other manner...

When a number of firemen are needed to accomplish a task they go out in their appliances in case they get an emergency call while tasked.  That could well explain why a number of vehicles attended the scene.

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When a number of firemen are needed to accomplish a task they go out in their appliances in case they get an emergency call while tasked.  That could well explain why a number of vehicles attended the scene.

8 appliances is rather a lot, wouldn't you say....

[Eleanor]

Ok, since it was me who started the thread, I am volunteering to write to Avon Fire and Rescue Service!!!   

Frankly, I think it will be a waste of time, but I will try------they can only say no!!!

The Fire Service will probably answer.  One of my sons who worked for The Fire Service say that there is nothing odd about this as The Fire Service are mostly the First Responders.

[Eleanor]

Could it be possible that you could find out which firemen worked that shift?? Maybe if you know who the firemen are you could ask them..

Where they all real firemen?!  Just a suggestion....

No chance of getting the names of anyone.

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The Fire Service will probably answer.  One of my sons who worked for The Fire Service say that there is nothing odd about this as The Fire Service are mostly the First Responders.

But they were not summoned to the scene until 4 hours after she was discovered...

[Eleanor]

But they were not summoned to the scene until 4 hours after she was discovered...

Perhaps there was a problem with removing the body, and I am told that there would be a problem with that, considering that the body was off road and in some sort of ditch.  This would take more than one appliance.

Nothing really odd about this, as far as I understand.

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Perhaps there was a problem with removing the body, and I am told that there would be a problem with that, considering that the body was off road and in some sort of ditch.  This would take more than one appliance.

Nothing really odd about this, as far as I understand.

Well the Offical line is that she was on a flat grass narrow verge next to the road..

How do you know the body was off road???

[Eleanor]

Well the Offical line is that she was on a flat grass narrow verge next to the road..

How do you know the body was off road???

In so far as I remember someone had tried to tip the body further off the road than it actually fell.  But it doesn't really matter.

The point is that it required The Fire Service, as an Ambulance would be completely unable to recover a dead body, and that isn't in their remit anyway.

This is just another pile of rubbish.

I personally don't have the time or the patience to argue his guilt or innocence.  I thought that A Court has already done this.

[mrswah]

In so far as I remember someone had tried to tip the body further off the road than it actually fell.  But it doesn't really matter.

The point is that it required The Fire Service, as an Ambulance would be completely unable to recover a dead body, and that isn't in their remit anyway.

This is just another pile of rubbish.

I personally don't have the time or the patience to argue his guilt or innocence.  I thought that A Court has already done this.

Yes, you're right Eleanor----a court has.  However, a court has already determined the guilt of every possible MOJ victim !!!

I also agree that some help from the fire and rescue service would have been needed, as Joanna's body was frozen to the ground, but rather a lot of vehicles, apparatus and personnel were involved in this case. It appears disproportionate, in the recovery of only one victim (one victim too many, I know).

What is very odd, is that the jury was not told about this rescue operation, and it had very little coverage in the media.

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Yes, you're right Eleanor----a court has.  However, a court has already determined the guilt of every possible MOJ victim !!!

I also agree that some help from the fire and rescue service would have been needed, as Joanna's body was frozen to the ground, but rather a lot of vehicles, apparatus and personnel were involved in this case. It appears disproportionate, in the recovery of only one victim (one victim too many, I know).

What is very odd, is that the jury was not told about this rescue operation, and it had very little coverage in the media.

Agreed mrswah.... But they didn't apparently use the Fire Service.... Andrew was busy wielding his trusty broom handle and did not need the experience of the firemen...

Another problem is the fact the Fire Appliances where used for 4 days, when the body had already been removed,...

Think someone needs to explain that one!!!

[John]

Agreed mrswah.... But they didn't apparently use the Fire Service.... Andrew was busy wielding his trusty broom handle and did not need the experience of the firemen...

Another problem is the fact the Fire Appliances where used for 4 days, when the body had already been removed,...

Think someone needs to explain that one!!!

Sometimes the Fire Service and police incorporate taskings within operational training.

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I was just writing something about the sexually motivated attack that Dr Vincent Tabak was supposed to have done..

It made me think.... The whole premise of the prosecution was that Dr Vincent Tabak was looking for sexual gratification...

They used the porn and the prostitutes after the case had finished to highlight to the public, just what type of deviant he was.....

So.... Just for the moment, lets think about that... if he had employed prostitutes for his gratification and played the sex games that he did, then his experience in such matter must be top notch....

Which makes their sexual gratification theory fall flat on it's face....

I'm assuming going from the various real crime documentaries I have seen, that people who commit this type of murder take their time... They enjoy the build up..... That's where their excitement comes from...

Surley he would have restrained Joanna Yeates so he could complete his fantasy... not just attack her in the manner they claim he did....

If it only took 20 seconds as the prosecution claimed, then Dr Vincent Tabak must have suffered from premature ejaculation.. and if that was the case , why didn't the prosecution bring the evidence to support this ???

Why didn't the defence explore this avenue to put paid to the prosecutions claims it was sexually motivated?

There is so much of this case I don't buy.... The only thing I buy is that he was her neighbour...


"David Parker Ray being a case in point'....

The prosecution and the Defense had said Dr Vincent Tabak had knowledge of Greg being away... So he had no need to rush anything, he had no need to visit Asda, he could have spent that time getting his kicks...

There have been psychologist who have made statements that Dr Vincent Tabak was a serial killer in the making, then you would think he would have taken a lot more time than he did and not bothered with the Asda trip..

He would have had a rough idea as to what time Tanja was due home... So really he had hours to fullfill any fantasy he may have had....