Vincent Tabak and the Murder of Joanna Yeates

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VT, the landlord and Greg Reardon all admitted to having parked their cars on the road. This suggests that the private parking at No. 44 is inadequate for the needs of all the residents. In that case, VT and his girlfriend may sometimes have parked their shared car further along Canynge Road, at a point where Joanna's gate was nearer than the gate to the driveway. This could be an explanation of why they might have chosen to pass Joanna's window.

And what does that statement support...

Greg car was obviously in the drive when he got CJ and another neighbour to help him....

CJ's car was on the road.... maybe he sometimes puts it there when HE has visitors...

And Dr Vincent Tabak... well... what do you say about that, if his statement on the witness stand supports the supposed evidence then saying his cars is on the road is no biggy...

Lets not for get he says:....

Defence Counsel: Where was your car parked?
Tabak: My car was parked on the street.

This is when he explains about he thoughts about going to ASDA... so he has already placed the car where he needs to go via one side of the building or the other.....

The car needs to be on the street!!! because what other reason would he possibly go past Joanna Yeates flat..

Infact when did he bring it to the drive???? Didn't he at one point say that he went to de-ice the car???

[Leonora]

Greg car was obviously in the drive when he got CJ and another neighbour to help him....

No, I believe Greg Reardon's car was parked "by the kerb", i.e., on the street.

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Forgive me for repeating myself... But.....

"The police had phoned us at least twice while we were there. Tanja and I discussed the business of being asked to help move his car in the icy drive on Saturday December 18.

"Tanja felt maybe we should tell the police but I thought it might wrongly incriminate him and that it probably wasn't important."

The car was on the drive on Saturday.......  again I'll say the car wasn't on the road...  So why is Dr Vincent Tabak's statement so important?????

Because CJ's car must have been on the road on Saturday and around 9:00pm he heard some people at the gate...

Dr Vincent Tabak does not mention the car changing position.... that is The Police woman on the Crime Watch Program... we all believe that Dr Vincent Tabak said the CAR had changed position because we have been told this... Just like we were told that the top was PINK!!!!!

So the IMPORTANCE of Dr Vincent Tabak's statement is it pertains to the fact that SOMEBODY left the gate on Saturday evening...

So... Tanja being on the stand would also corroborate this statement... but she never took it....  It is far easier to make it look like Dr Vincent Tabak tried to implicate CJ by stating the car changed position, than the truth being he helped moved the car and never mentioned it''s position....

DR Vincent Tabak never lied..... and you only have to go back to the early statements people have made to find out a lot of the truth in this case!!!!


http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jo-yeates-murder-trial-vincent-275169

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No, I believe Greg Reardon's car was parked "by the kerb", i.e., on the street.

What makes you believe this leonora????

If they didn't use the car to go to work with, I would have expected it to be sat in their designated car park space... But if the car had been recently used, then maybe it would have been on the road...

[Leonora]

What makes you believe this leonora????

If they didn't use the car to go to work with, I would have expected it to be sat in their designated car park space... But if the car had been recently used, then maybe it would have been on the road...

"Greg's car was in the gutter of the road, and Chris Jefferies' car was in the road."
http://www.bathchronicle.co.uk/time-police-question-chris-jefferies-murder/story-11325431-detail/story.html

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RIDDLE OF U-TURN CAR
Police are trying to trace the owner of a light-coloured car seen on the night Jo disappeared in the remote area where her body was dumped.
Two members of Long Ashton Golf Club in Failand were about to drive home when they saw the car pull into the entrance at 11.20pm on December 17.
The driver noticed the key-code operated barriers and hastily did a U-turn.
It then sped off towards Longwood Lane.
The witnesses reported the incident after Miss Yeates’s body was found on a grass verge beside the lane on Christmas Day. Around 30 of the guests are believed to have driven down the lane between 11pm and midnight before heavy snow fell in the early hours.
Most of them told police that they had their lights on full beam but did not see a body on the verge.
One member said: ‘Failand is such a remote area and the way the car was being driven stuck in the witnesses’ mind.’

Where were these witness's in court????   

30 people having driven down Longwood Lane and not one of them saw Joanna Yeates body on the Lane nor did they see Dr Vincent Tabak on the Lane, yet Dr Vincent Tabak says cars passed... (laughable.). So which Cars saw him parked on the lane that night???

Surely that would have been evidence of at least a car Parked there that evening!!!!!

So start the clock again..  11:20pm at Long Ashton Golf club.... SPEEDING OFF!!!!

Now wasn't Dr Vincent Tabak supposed to be Aimlessly driving around and came upon Longwood Lane????


11:20pm Long Ashton.... Dr Vincent Tabak has how many minutes left until he is seen back at his own home???

So it's also taken.... 50 mins to get to Long Ashton after he was at ASDA in Bedminster!!




 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1343233/Joanna-Yeates-murder-Landlord-Chris-Jefferies-Prof-Strange-quizzed-police.html#ixzz4bZywXtvW

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"Greg's car was in the gutter of the road, and Chris Jefferies' car was in the road."
http://www.bathchronicle.co.uk/time-police-question-chris-jefferies-murder/story-11325431-detail/story.html

Well there are questions again:...

"I had only just charged up my car because it didn't work when I had gone to see a friend.

"I got a phone call from Mr Jefferies. I was asleep at the time and it was early evening.

There must be a record of this phone call ... which would give an exact time that they helped start the car...

The times given for this have ranged from between 5:00pm and 7:00pm ... so how long did it take to start the car and what time???

Mr Stanley, joint co-ordinator of the local Neighbourhood Watch scheme with Mr Jefferies, said he didn't think the 65-year-old spoke to Mr Reardon about going away for the weekend, adding: "I wouldn't say there was anything tense between them."

All that statement says is that Stanley apparently wasn't aware that Greg was going away for the weekend, that conversation could have happened at anytime.. and it's conceivable that CJ could had said something on the phone....

How long did this event take???
You have the time waiting for Stanley to come from his house with the leads after the phone call... You  then have CJ going to get his car...

 Followed by Stanley getting into CJ's car to position it, then CJ getting back into the car...

Then CJ getting out of the car to open the bonnet, then CJ back in the car to rev the engine and the time needed to give the car enough charge.. So how much time are we talking???? What time did Greg arrive home at???

I'd like to make it perfectly clear, that I post this only because I like timelines... i like all the timelines to be accurate no matter who they pertain to.


 http://www.bathchronicle.co.uk/time-police-question-chris-jefferies-murder/story-11325431-detail/story.html#lXXR4QWB8KjMLbgf.99

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"I think Chris Jefferies wanted to borrow my car, but I said I didn't want to take all the power out of it.

"So he said, 'fine', and he then brought his car – I think it was the Chrysler.

This suggest that CJ's car was in the carpark... so thats where he must normally keep it...

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I'd like to go back to the Leveson inquiry:....

I was released on police bail on Saturday I January 2011 but, despite Vincent Tabak
being arrested on suspicion of murder on 20 January 2011 and charged on 22 January
2011, my bail was not lifted and the police did not confirm that I was no longer a
suspect until 4 March 2011, which is to say for a period of some six weeks after
Tabak was charged. I am told that this is highly unusual, if not unprecedented. Once
again, I believe that the press coverage that appeared following my arrest and during
detention may have had a bearing on the police decision to (a) apply bail at all and (b)
not to release me from bail for so tong.

A couple of points here.........  Dr Vincent Tabak could NEVER have confessed to the so called Chaplain in early February as they would have released CJ, because of the CONFESSION!!!!

So that didn't exist which we all ready know anyway...

Why did they need to keep CJ on bail for so long????? I know he says it's because the police thought he had colluded.. But that would have been something he was told and NOT fact!!!

So what statements or information did they Police believe they had on Dr Vincent Tabak in March?????

If as you all remember THE CPS LADY stated that they PLANNED Dr Vincent Tabak's arrest..... So was the original charge set to him "Joint Enterprise"??? If as CJ says they thought that they had colluded????

You can be charged with 'Joint Enterprise with an Unknown Other'... as I have recently learnt 

So if he wasn't originally charged under Joint Enterprise... then why did they hold CJ until March 4th 2011???

So what happened by this time?????

 Do we know what Dr Vincent Tabak was charged under??

[Leonora]

Mr. Stanley "thinks" that the car used for the source of current was the Crysler (which actually belonged to Mr. Steggles, as far as I recall). However, the car that Vincent told the police was facing a different direction the next morning and that he helped push was the Volvo. This is certainly the car depicted in "The Lost Honour" film being pushed by the Dutchman. However, the film also shows the landlord introducing Greg Reardon to Vincent Tabak, who cheerfully regretted that he didn't have any jump leads, but who instead had a cheerful girlfriend, whom he called, so that she too could meet their new neighbour.

But surely the girlfriend by that time was off drinking with the only other drinker on the Dyson bus, on their way to the works party? She certainly didn't bother to come home first.

I've been viewing the first part of "The Lost Honour..." again to satisfy myself that "Nine" has got the details right. It is impossible to make out whether the incident with the jump leads took place on the street or in the car park. Nor is the landlord seen getting out of his car after returning from the gym.

[Leonora]

I'd like to go back to the Leveson inquiry:....


A couple of points here.........  Dr Vincent Tabak could NEVER have confessed to the so called Chaplain in early February as they would have released CJ, because of the CONFESSION!!!!

So that didn't exist which we all ready know anyway...

Why did they need to keep CJ on bail for so long????? I know he says it's because the police thought he had colluded.. But that would have been something he was told and NOT fact!!!

So what statements or information did they Police believe they had on Dr Vincent Tabak in March?????

If as you all remember THE CPS LADY stated that they PLANNED Dr Vincent Tabak's arrest..... So was the original charge set to him "Joint Enterprise"??? If as CJ says they thought that they had colluded????

You can be charged with 'Joint Enterprise with an Unknown Other'... as I have recently learnt 

So if he wasn't originally charged under Joint Enterprise... then why did they hold CJ until March 4th 2011???

So what happened by this time?????

 Do we know what Dr Vincent Tabak was charged under??

There is nothing in the known timeline to account for the choice of the date when the landlord was released from bail. The then-Chief Constable was exceptionally brusque and dismissive when he was asked about this at the Leveson Inquiry. At one time, I believed that the police had told the so-called chaplain about VT's porn & prostitutes, and the chaplain then asked VT during their conversations if the prisoner would like Brotherton to "help" him tell his girlfriend. I assumed that once Tanja had heard about VT's secret life, she never visited him again, and the police worked out that they no longer needed to keep the landlord in reserve in case the CPS couldn't wring a guilty plea out of VT.

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Mr. Stanley "thinks" that the car used for the source of current was the Crysler (which actually belonged to Mr. Steggles, as far a I recall). However, the car that Vincent told the police was facing a different direction the next morning and that he helped push was the Volvo. This is certainly the car depicted in "The Lost Honour" film being pushed by the Dutchman. However, the film also shows the landlord introducing Greg Reardon to Vincent Tabak, who cheerfully regretted that he didn't have any jump leads, but who instead had a cheerful girlfriend, whom he called, so that she too could meet their new neighbour.

So again this statement proves that all Dr Vincent Tabak had told the police was that he had helped CJ move a car... not that it had changed positions if he used 2 cars..... Because he wouldn't know which car had moved position and which car was being referred to....

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There is nothing in the known timeline to account for the choice of the date when the landlord was released from bail. The then-Chief Constable was exceptionally brusque and dismissive when he was asked about this at the Leveson Inquiry. At one time, I believed that the police had told the so-called chaplain about VT's porn & prostitutes, and the chaplain then asked VT during their conversations if the prisoner would like Brotherton to "help" him tell his girlfriend. I assumed that once Tanja had heard about VT's secret life, she never visited him again, and the police worked out that they no longer needed to keep the landlord in reserve in case the CPS couldn't wring a guilty plea out of VT.

But what about the Joint Enterprise leonora???? If they believed that the two of them had colluded?????

Did the original charge that Dr Vincent Tabak was charged with mention 'Joint Enterprise'?????  that would be something to clarify!!!!


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And therefore the police continued to entertain the suspicion that possibly there had been some sort of collusion... Between myself and Vincent Tabak

This is on video that CJ says this:....

So was the charge 'Joint Enterprise'????

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DCI Phil Jones mentions bringing Joanna Yeats 'Killers' to justice, think I have posted it somewhere on here!

Which brings us back to whether the "Joint Enterprise" was the charge!!!!!

Because the Police must have thought Dr Vincent Tabak had help somewhere along the line, so they could still charge him with "Joint Enterprise" with A Another.....

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A third short statement to police confirmed that only Tabak had used a laptop computer, shared by him and his girlfriend, after Miss Yeates's disappearance.

How can all the infomation on this computer be attributed to Dr Vincent Tabak alone????

How did the defence show or attempt to discredit the prosecutions claims that ALL the searches belonged to Dr Vincent Tabak...


http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jo-yeates-murder-trial-vincent-275169

[Leonora]

DCI Phil Jones mentions bringing Joanna Yeats 'Killers' to justice, think I have posted it somewhere on here!

Which brings us back to whether the "Joint Enterprise" was the charge!!!!!

Because the Police must have thought Dr Vincent Tabak had help somewhere along the line, so they could still charge him with "Joint Enterprise" with A Another.....

Hey, this is not Amanda Knox, Rafaelle Sollecito, Patrice Lumbumba and Rudy Guede we are discussing! I have never seen anything to suggest that VT was ever charged with anything other than having murdered Joanna Yeates alone and unaided.

I don't believe the police ever really believed the landlord had anything to do with her death. So they had to keep on thinking up excuses for why they had arrested him, released him, and then held him on bail for such a long time.