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UK and North American politics. => A look at British politics in the light of the decision to leave the EU. => Topic started by: Angelo222 on December 25, 2020, 08:13:32 PM
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Wow! What a Christmas, the Brexit deal's been done on the best possible terms. Boris accomplished a free trade deal with no tariffs so the future is guaranteed.
Eat it up all those who predicted doom and gloom. @)(++(*
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A teensy bit goady there. IMO we are at the start of Britain’s slide down the greasy pole to a poorer, more fractured and more isolated nation, nothing to celebrate and nothing to eat up (apart from a shed load of Quality Street and cheese). Merry Christmas.
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I was living in Germany when the UK joined the EEC as it was then. We shopped in our local 'corner shop' only in emergencies because the price of food in Germany was up to three times higher than back home or in our NAAFI supermarkets. This caused me some concerns but we were promised cheaper electrical goods, which were indeed much cheaper than in the UK. The price of food in the UK rose as expected, and the fall in other prices didn't materialise.
Perhaps the UK will be able to benefit from lower food prices now we are free again from the anti-competitive CAP, which protected EU countries from competition from both outside and inside the EU.
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Our food prices are already amongst the cheapest in Europe, imports are likely to go up in price because of costs involved in the increased red tape and delays in the supply chain.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/brexit-deal-affect-food-prices-23217289
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A teensy bit goady there. IMO we are at the start of Britain’s slide down the greasy pole to a poorer, more fractured and more isolated nation, nothing to celebrate and nothing to eat up (apart from a shed load of Quality Street and cheese). Merry Christmas.
Not in the least VS, the sky's the limit now that the EU shackles have been removed. No more EU citizens walking into the UK with sub standard or fake professional credentials and taking British jobs.
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I was living in Germany when the UK joined the EEC as it was then. We shopped in our local 'corner shop' only in emergencies because the price of food in Germany was up to three times higher than back home or in our NAAFI supermarkets. This caused me some concerns but we were promised cheaper electrical goods, which were indeed much cheaper than in the UK. The price of food in the UK rose as expected, and the fall in other prices didn't materialise.
Perhaps the UK will be able to benefit from lower food prices now we are free again from the anti-competitive CAP, which protected EU countries from competition from both outside and inside the EU.
I agree totally. I have watched the price of food and consumer goods get higher and higher ever since most of Europe took the Euro as it's base currency. Thank heavens the UK never went down that road like Ireland did.
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Not in the least VS, the sky's the limit now that the EU shackles have been removed. No more EU citizens walking into the UK with sub standard or fake professional credentials and taking British jobs.
For a moment, I thought it was Spammie posting.
The EU has a system of common accreditation of qualifications if they correspond to common criteria.
My professional qualifications are, in theory, no longer accredited. I don't find that particularly amusing.
Anyway, bye-bye for now, Erasmus, 'til we meet again.
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Not in the least VS, the sky's the limit now that the EU shackles have been removed. No more EU citizens walking into the UK with sub standard or fake professional credentials and taking British jobs.
Dream on. Immigration will imo continue on a scale that you and your ilk will still find unacceptable but instead of being mostly white-skinned immigrants , they will be mostly dark-skinned which you will no doubt cause you immense chagrin.
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/24/migrants-to-uk-now-need-to-earn-only-20480-after-home-office-climbdown. why did the government do this unless it was to ensure the continued importation of cheap labour from overseas?
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Our food prices are already amongst the cheapest in Europe, imports are likely to go up in price because of costs involved in the increased red tape and delays in the supply chain.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/brexit-deal-affect-food-prices-23217289
Reading the quoted article more closely, it seems that prices may rise 4.7% on unbranded products. An example of unbranded products reaching the UK would be products from China being sent to the UK via Albania. Food imports may suffer due to delays, but the UK could switch suppliers if necessary.
"the UK may still experience a hike in food prices due to 'non-tariff barrier costs' at the border with the EU"
"Even with a trade deal in place, our access to the EU market will face significant barriers after December 31 - and food prices may rise."
"businesses will still need to carry out customs declarations on UK-EU trade for the first time. These 'non-tariff barrier costs' are expected to rise by 4% to 8%, according to farmers' bodies.
"The London School of Economics estimates that with a variety of other costs adding up, there’ll be a 4.7% price rise on unbranded products from the EU. It's possible that this price hike will be passed on to the consumer."
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Reading the quoted article more closely, it seems that prices may rise 4.7% on unbranded products. An example of unbranded products reaching the UK would be products from China being sent to the UK via Albania. Food imports may suffer due to delays, but the UK could switch suppliers if necessary.
"the UK may still experience a hike in food prices due to 'non-tariff barrier costs' at the border with the EU"
"Even with a trade deal in place, our access to the EU market will face significant barriers after December 31 - and food prices may rise."
"businesses will still need to carry out customs declarations on UK-EU trade for the first time. These 'non-tariff barrier costs' are expected to rise by 4% to 8%, according to farmers' bodies.
"The London School of Economics estimates that with a variety of other costs adding up, there’ll be a 4.7% price rise on unbranded products from the EU. It's possible that this price hike will be passed on to the consumer."
And?
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Dream on. Immigration will imo continue on a scale that you and your ilk will still find unacceptable but instead of being mostly white-skinned immigrants , they will be mostly dark-skinned which you will no doubt cause you immense chagrin.
Definitely no more chancers/scroungers economic migrants from deepest Africa then. Let's hope storm Bella keeps the rest of them in France until 1st January when we take back control. @)(++(*
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Reading the quoted article more closely, it seems that prices may rise 4.7% on unbranded products. An example of unbranded products reaching the UK would be products from China being sent to the UK via Albania. Food imports may suffer due to delays, but the UK could switch suppliers if necessary.
"the UK may still experience a hike in food prices due to 'non-tariff barrier costs' at the border with the EU"
"Even with a trade deal in place, our access to the EU market will face significant barriers after December 31 - and food prices may rise."
"businesses will still need to carry out customs declarations on UK-EU trade for the first time. These 'non-tariff barrier costs' are expected to rise by 4% to 8%, according to farmers' bodies.
"The London School of Economics estimates that with a variety of other costs adding up, there’ll be a 4.7% price rise on unbranded products from the EU. It's possible that this price hike will be passed on to the consumer."
Most people in the UK have seldom had a problem with feeding themselves at an affordable price. What's worrying the few is that populations in cities are wholly dependent on imports which causes me no anguish whatsoever.
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Definitely no more chancers/scroungers economic migrants from deepest Africa then. Let's hope storm Bella keeps the rest of them in France until 1st January when we take back control. @)(++(*
Of course the French will give up even pretending to try to stop illegal migrants from making the crossing now, so what plans have we got in place to deal with this serious issue?
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It seems Britain’s fishermen feel let down by the deal
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/dec/26/deal-fishing-industry-boris-johnson-betrayal-eu-demands?fbclid=IwAR3kVRI97r_0Ju6CbTPzHAhFQlXMhzbxqXIcOL5kumUvX4qvEWbINZpYsS0
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It seems Britain’s fishermen feel let down by the deal
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/dec/26/deal-fishing-industry-boris-johnson-betrayal-eu-demands?fbclid=IwAR3kVRI97r_0Ju6CbTPzHAhFQlXMhzbxqXIcOL5kumUvX4qvEWbINZpYsS0
I agree with them. Johnson used the fishing card and gave up some fishing rights for 5½ years so that he could achieve his free no-tariff deal on more major economic issues. At the end of the day everyone had to give some ground otherwise the whole of the EU including the UK could have been disrupted for years.
What's hidden within the pages of this agreement however are penalties which will have to be paid if either side stray from it. Also hidden are the significant cost for all exporters and importers in complying with the so-called tariff-free agreement. Or to put it another way, there might be no tariffs but there are additional costs involved in moving products abroad.
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I think Boris has proved his critics wrong in gaining an excellent exit deal with fishing and German car experts playing an important role. Germany didn't want to lose the UK car market and UK fishermen have had their quotas increased. All in all a good result
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I think Boris has proved his critics wrong in gaining an excellent exit deal with fishing and German car experts playing an important role. Germany didn't want to lose the UK car market and UK fishermen have had their quotas increased. All in all a good result
I'm not a fan of the Conservative Party or of Johnson, but I agree. He was strong and determined to deliver what the majority voted for. As a result the EU, who believed he would leave without a deal, were forced to compromise and agree to a deal they needed just as much as the UK did.
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I think Boris has proved his critics wrong in gaining an excellent exit deal with fishing and German car experts playing an important role. Germany didn't want to lose the UK car market and UK fishermen have had their quotas increased. All in all a good result
At the end of the day he has negotiated a deal for us that is worse overall than the one we had when we were part of the EU, but this is what the British people wanted (apparently). Worse terms with our nearest neighbours in exhange for the (IMO) myth of “taking back control”. Describing this as an excellent turn of events for Britain now is massively premature imo. However, if we are a more prosperous, happier, greener, more united nation that has successfully managed to reverse net migration figures (and doing so without causing massive damage to the NHS and other other organisations that rely heavily on immigration) by the time of the next election I will eat my words and do something I have never done before - vote Tory. And the likelihood of this happening? About nil I would say.
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At the end of the day he has negotiated a deal for us that is worse overall than the one we had when we were part of the EU, but this is what the British people wanted (apparently). Worse terms with our nearest neighbours in exhange for the (IMO) myth of “taking back control”. Describing this as an excellent turn of events for Britain now is massively premature imo. However, if we are a more prosperous, happier, greener, more united nation that has successfully managed to reverse net migration figures (and doing so without causing massive damage to the NHS and other other organisations that rely heavily on immigration) by the time of the next election I will eat my words and do something I have never done before - vote Tory. And the likelihood of this happening? About nil I would say.
I think you are missing the big picture VS. The trade exchange between the UK and the EU will continue unaltered but the UK is now free to make any deals it wants with the rest of the world. Big gain in anyone's book.
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I think you are missing the big picture VS. The trade exchange between the UK and the EU will continue unaltered but the UK is now free to make any deals it wants with the rest of the world. Big gain in anyone's book.
I’m not missing anything and as I said before if in four years time we end up in a much better place as a nation then I will eat my words and that’s the time for you to say “I told you so”, not before IMO.
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I’m not missing anything and as I said before if in four years time we end up in a much better place as a nation then I will eat my words and that’s the time for you to say “I told you so”, not before IMO.
I take it you are Scottish VS, everything is so depressing and negative with you.
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I take it you are Scottish VS, everything is so depressing and negative with you.
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Andrew Locker, chairman of the National Federation of Fishermen’s Organisations (NFFO), said that the fishing industry had been “betrayed” by Mr Johnson.
“I am angry, disappointed and betrayed,” he told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme. “Boris Johnson promised us the rights to all the fish that swim in our exclusive economic zone and we have got a fraction of that.”
He said his own family firm, Locker Trawlers in Whitby, would be worse off than before under the deal.
“We are absolutely worse off,” he said. “When we were within the EU we used to trade fish with the EU. We used to swap things we didn’t use with fish that they didn't use and that enabled us to put together an annual fishing plan. What we have got now is a fraction of what we were promised through Brexit. We are going to really, really struggle this year.
“When Boris Johnson and his government promised Brexit to the fishermen he promised none of us would be worse off. There is a considerable amount of fishermen — small families, small communities — absolutely worse off by this deal.”
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I take it you are Scottish VS, everything is so depressing and negative with you.
Nope, I'm English.
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Andrew Locker, chairman of the National Federation of Fishermen’s Organisations (NFFO), said that the fishing industry had been “betrayed” by Mr Johnson.
“I am angry, disappointed and betrayed,” he told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme. “Boris Johnson promised us the rights to all the fish that swim in our exclusive economic zone and we have got a fraction of that.”
He said his own family firm, Locker Trawlers in Whitby, would be worse off than before under the deal.
“We are absolutely worse off,” he said. “When we were within the EU we used to trade fish with the EU. We used to swap things we didn’t use with fish that they didn't use and that enabled us to put together an annual fishing plan. What we have got now is a fraction of what we were promised through Brexit. We are going to really, really struggle this year.
“When Boris Johnson and his government promised Brexit to the fishermen he promised none of us would be worse off. There is a considerable amount of fishermen — small families, small communities — absolutely worse off by this deal.”
It's not a utopian world VS, there will always be losers and moaners but most people will benefit. There will be new trawlers built and bought over the next five years to take advantage of this great new opportunity. You can't please everybody all of the time.
In fact I think you are being very shortsighted in not embracing this great opportunity that Johnson has negotiated for us all.
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It's not a utopian world VS, there will always be losers and moaners but most people will benefit. There will be new trawlers built and bought over the next five years to take advantage of this great new opportunity. You can't please everybody all of the time.
In fact I think you are being very shortsighted in not embracing this great opportunity that Johnson has negotiated for us all.
It doesn't matter whether I embrace it or not, the outcome will be the same, whatever that may be, but if you think I'm going to be celebrating and waving flags you've got another think coming.
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It doesn't matter whether I embrace it or not, the outcome will be the same, whatever that may be, but if you think I'm going to be celebrating and waving flags you've got another think coming.
Spoil sport...there just ain't pleasing some people. @)(++(*
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Spoil sport...there just ain't pleasing some people. @)(++(*
Bad losers?
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Bad losers?
The pair of you are just trying to goad which is bad form for moderators imo. Give me one good reason why anyone who was happy to be part of the EU and who voted to remain should be celebrating and waving flags about the present situation? The only thing I am pleased about is that at least we are not leaving on WTO terms which even the most hardened Brexiteer must now finally admit would have been an absolute disaster for all.
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The pair of you are just trying to goad which is bad form for moderators imo. Give me one good reason why anyone who was happy to be part of the EU and who voted to remain should be celebrating and waving flags about the present situation? The only thing I am pleased about is that at least we are not leaving on WTO terms which even the most hardened Brexiteer must now finally admit would have been an absolute disaster for all.
It's not so much a matter of EU membership for me, it's the fact that our politicians and others were happy to abandon democratic ideals to get what they wanted. Democracy isn't just a word, it's a vital part of our identity. Politicians in particular should be committed to it and uphold it above all else, and so should the electorate.
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It's not so much a matter of EU membership for me, it's the fact that our politicians and others were happy to abandon democratic ideals to get what they wanted. Democracy isn't just a word, it's a vital part of our identity. Politicians in particular should be committed to it and uphold it above all else, and so should the electorate.
So there is no issue upon which the people might vote in favour of (say the return of the desth penalty) that you would vocally oppose? You’d cite “will of the people” and wholeheartedly back it and celebrate and wave flags at the first hanging?
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So there is no issue upon which the people might vote in favour of (say the return of the desth penalty) that you would vocally oppose? You’d cite “will of the people” and wholeheartedly back it and celebrate and wave flags at the first hanging?
Hanging will never win a majority in a referendum in the UK; hanging is disapproved of by 68-23% amongst all British people, although a majority (51%) would like to see the death penalty reintroduced. I see it as a backward step, but I can understand those who want it.
What I wouldn't do is agitate for another referendum if such a vote ever took place.
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Hanging will never win a majority in a referendum in the UK; hanging is disapproved of by 68-23% amongst all British people, although a majority (51%) would like to see the death penalty reintroduced. I see it as a backward step, but I can understand those who want it.
What I wouldn't do is agitate for another referendum if such a vote ever took place.
Why ever not? Do you think agitating to stop the death penalty would be morally wrong in such a situation?
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Why ever not? Do you think agitating to stop the death penalty would be morally wrong in such a situation?
I would never attempt to overturn the result of a democratic vote. Anyone who does that is rejecting democracy, no matter what the issue may be. Democracy can't be something which is only supported when you agree with it's results.
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I would never attempt to overturn the result of a democratic vote. Anyone who does that is rejecting democracy, no matter what the issue may be. Democracy can't be something which is only supported when you agree with it's results.
I think you should stand up for what you believe in, no matter if you're in the minority. And I certainly don't think you should be goaded or shamed into celebrating and waving flags for something you don't subscribe to by those that "won".
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I take it you are Scottish VS, everything is so depressing and negative with you.
Decided to reference your post again.
It's almost Hogmanay. @)(++(*
Have you visited Scotland often?
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I would never attempt to overturn the result of a democratic vote. Anyone who does that is rejecting democracy, no matter what the issue may be. Democracy can't be something which is only supported when you agree with it's results.
Trump is doing his damnest to do so.
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Trump is doing his damnest to do so.
If the Americans have any sense they will drop him just as we in the UK dropped our anti-democratic MP's.
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I think you should stand up for what you believe in, no matter if you're in the minority. And I certainly don't think you should be goaded or shamed into celebrating and waving flags for something you don't subscribe to by those that "won".
I believe in democracy and have stood up for it throughout this process.
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If the Americans have any sense they will drop him just as we in the UK dropped our anti-democratic MP's.
The first six words of your post indicate that many Americans do not have "any sense" otherwise he would never ever have been elected President.
What an utter embarrassment he has now become.
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I believe in democracy and have stood up for it throughout this process.
But you don't accept the democratic vote of the Scots....who voted no to leaving the EU?
Hasn't NI done rather better than Scotland in the agreement and they too voted no.
Lucky them!
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I believe in democracy and have stood up for it throughout this process.
And I have no objection to you doing so, however I do find it strange that someone who believes so strongly in the democratic process also refused to take part in the single most important vote of a generation.
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But you don't accept the democratic vote of the Scots....who voted no to leaving the EU?
Hasn't NI done rather better than Scotland in the agreement and they too voted no.
Lucky them!
I thought the Scottish people voted in the UK Referendum? Surely it occured to them that the result would apply to the whole of the UK?
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I thought the Scottish people voted in the UK Referendum? Surely it occured to them that the result would apply to the whole of the UK?
Of course it did.
And thus the recent polls indicate an increasing support for independence.
Hopefully you can appreciate the reason for that support.
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Of course it did.
And thus the recent polls indicate an increasing support for independence.
Hopefully you can appreciate the reason for that support.
I have no interest in why the Scots want to leave the United Kingdom, nor do I have any preference as to whether they leave or stay. I've visited Edinburgh, passed through Glasgow and lost my heart to the Outer Hebrides. I learned to understood and sympathise with their frustrations at being governed from London, and I wonder if their unique needs could be met by being governed from Edinburgh. When they, the Orkneys and the Shetland Isles wanted a referendum on independence from Scotland it was refused as I recall.
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I have no interest in why the Scots want to leave the United Kingdom, nor do I have any preference as to whether they leave or stay. I've visited Edinburgh, passed through Glasgow and lost my heart to the Outer Hebrides. I learned to understood and sympathise with their frustrations at being governed from London, and I wonder if their unique needs could be met by being governed from Edinburgh. When they, the Orkneys and the Shetland Isles wanted a referendum on independence from Scotland it was refused as I recall.
You have completely contradicted yourself by firstly claiming no interest in why the Scots want to leave the UK and in the next breath claim to have learned to understand and sympathise with their frustrations at being governed by London. So which is it? No interest or learned, understood and sympathised?
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I have no interest in why the Scots want to leave the United Kingdom, nor do I have any preference as to whether they leave or stay. I've visited Edinburgh, passed through Glasgow and lost my heart to the Outer Hebrides. I learned to understood and sympathise with their frustrations at being governed from London, and I wonder if their unique needs could be met by being governed from Edinburgh. When they, the Orkneys and the Shetland Isles wanted a referendum on independence from Scotland it was refused as I recall.
Who refused the Outer Hebrides, Orkney and Shetland a referendum on independence?
And i believe that the Outer Hebrides is represented both at Holyrood and Westminster by the
Scottish Nationalist Party.
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So there is no issue upon which the people might vote in favour of (say the return of the desth penalty) that you would vocally oppose? You’d cite “will of the people” and wholeheartedly back it and celebrate and wave flags at the first hanging?
Some people decidedly should be executed for their crimes.
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Decided to reference your post again.
It's almost Hogmanay. @)(++(*
Have you visited Scotland often?
Not recently, the midges were enough for me first time around.
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The first six words of your post indicate that many Americans do not have "any sense" otherwise he would never ever have been elected President.
What an utter embarrassment he has now become.
Americans wanted to believe in their country again after the Obama farce so Trump played and plays to that rhetoric. I agree though that he is now seen as a very bad loser.
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But you don't accept the democratic vote of the Scots....who voted no to leaving the EU?
Hasn't NI done rather better than Scotland in the agreement and they too voted no.
Lucky them!
The vast majority of the electorate in both Scotland and N Ireland never voted to stay in the EU. They either voted to leave it or weren't sufficiently interested to even vote. Sturgeon has no mandate to keep Scotland in the EU despite her monotonous ravings.
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Of course it did.
And thus the recent polls indicate an increasing support for independence.
Hopefully you can appreciate the reason for that support.
History has taught us that the Scots are a divisive lot, I don't think they know what they want.
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Who refused the Outer Hebrides, Orkney and Shetland a referendum on independence?
And i believe that the Outer Hebrides is represented both at Holyrood and Westminster by the
Scottish Nationalist Party.
The outer Hebrides want independence from Scotland, that says it all for me.
PS. If they get it they will take most of the oil revenues with them.
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Some people decidedly should be executed for their crimes.
How strongly do you feel about it? If there was a national referendum on the subject and the people voted not to bring back capital punishment would you fall into line with the majority and accept that they were right and celebrate the result?
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The vast majority of the electorate in both Scotland and N Ireland never voted to stay in the EU. They either voted to leave it or weren't sufficiently interested to even vote. Sturgeon has no mandate to keep Scotland in the EU despite her monotonous ravings.
That's a novel way of looking at a democratic vote.
Put together the votes of those who votes were in the minority and those who didn't vote and declare that they are the vast majority.lol
Scotland voted to stay in the EU but being part of the UK we are leaving.
Our First Minister is obviously a woman you don't like but your personal likes or dislikes are of no importance.
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History has taught us that the Scots are a divisive lot, I don't think they know what they want.
You really don't like any other nationality other than your own!
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You really don't like any other nationality other than your own!
Angelo is a true patriot (and you know what Samuel Johnson had to say about patriotism).
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The outer Hebrides want independence from Scotland, that says it all for me.
PS. If they get it they will take most of the oil revenues with them.
Have they held a referendum on that? They did overwhelmingly vote to stay in the EU as I recall...
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You have completely contradicted yourself by firstly claiming no interest in why the Scots want to leave the UK and in the next breath claim to have learned to understand and sympathise with their frustrations at being governed by London. So which is it? No interest or learned, understood and sympathised?
The people of the Western Isles are gaelic speaking Highlanders with a different lifestyle and different needs from the people further south.
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Who refused the Outer Hebrides, Orkney and Shetland a referendum on independence?
And i believe that the Outer Hebrides is represented both at Holyrood and Westminster by the
Scottish Nationalist Party.
The Scottish Parliament.
https://www.parliament.scot/GettingInvolved/Petitions/islandgroups
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The people of the Western Isles are gaelic speaking Highlanders with a different lifestyle and different needs from the people further south.
How does that address the complete contradiction in your previous post?
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The people of the Western Isles are gaelic speaking Highlanders with a different lifestyle and different needs from the people further south.
The people of the Western Isles are represented both at Holyrood and Westminster by the Scottish National party.
So yes they do have " different needs from the people further south"
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The people of the Western Isles are represented both at Holyrood and Westminster by the Scottish National party.
So yes they do have " different needs from the people further south"
As do people in the wilds of Yorkshire, they have different needs from people in the Home Counties. What was the point again?
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How does that address the complete contradiction in your previous post?
The Scottish people aren't all in agreement because they don't share the same problems and concerns. If they did the Islanders wouldn't be interested in taking a different path than the mainlanders. Understanding the Islanders isn't the same as understanding the mainlanders.
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The Scottish people aren't all in agreement because they don't share the same problems and concerns. If they did the Islanders wouldn't be interested in taking a different path than the mainlanders. Understanding the Islanders isn't the same as understanding the mainlanders.
You do seem to believe you have your finger on the pulse of both " Islanders" and " Mainlanders".
You are aware that the Western Islanders have vote SNP at both Westminster elections and Holyrood elections much the same as many "Mainlander" constituencies.
Is it a wee while since you last visited the Isles?
I would imagine that their views reflect the varied view of those who live n many areas of Scotland.
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The Scottish people aren't all in agreement because they don't share the same problems and concerns. If they did the Islanders wouldn't be interested in taking a different path than the mainlanders. Understanding the Islanders isn't the same as understanding the mainlanders.
I have no idea what relevance any of this has to my question. In case you hadn’t noticed roughly 50% of the UK is (was) in fierce disagreement with the other 50% about membership of the UK. What point are you trying to make?
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You do seem to believe you have your finger on the pulse of both " Islanders" and " Mainlanders".
You are aware that the Western Islanders have vote SNP at both Westminster elections and Holyrood elections much the same as many "Mainlander" constituencies.
Is it a wee while since you last visited the Isles?
I would imagine that their views reflect the varied view of those who live n many areas of Scotland.
Islanders and Mainlanders both overwhelmingly voted to stay in the EU so God knows what point G-Unit is trying to make.
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Definitely no more chancers/scroungers economic migrants from deepest Africa then. Let's hope storm Bella keeps the rest of them in France until 1st January when we take back control. @)(++(*
On the 21st January 2021 3.1 m Hong Kong citizens will be able to apply to move to the UK, which must fill you with joy Angelo. https://www.gov.uk/guidance/hong-kong-british-national-overseas-visa-applications
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On the 21st January 2021 3.1 m Hong Kong citizens will be able to apply to move to the UK, which must fill you with joy Angelo. https://www.gov.uk/guidance/hong-kong-british-national-overseas-visa-applications
I'm overtly racist & proud but I'm more than happy to see Hong Kong citizens get UK passports.
Chinese/Asians tend to be hard working & decent imo.
I'd rather 3 million of them than one more Muslim.
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I'm overtly racist & proud but I'm more than happy to see Hong Kong citizens get UK passports.
Chinese/Asians tend to be hard working & decent imo.
I'd rather 3 million of them than one more Muslim.
I thought this country was full up?
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I thought this country was full up?
There will be more space once we start sending them all back to Africa.
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There will be more space once we start sending them all back to Africa.
That’s never happening, in fact more will be arriving from Africa very soon now that we have made immigration a level playing field and don’t need to import cheap labour only from Europe anymore.
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“The PM will make a four-day trip to India at the end of this month. Expect an early success in trade discussions with Delhi or he wouldn’t be going. But India’s price for a trade deal has long been better immigration access to Britain. Is that a price leave voters are happy to pay?”
Well, is it?
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I'm overtly racist & proud but I'm more than happy to see Hong Kong citizens get UK passports.
Chinese/Asians tend to be hard working & decent imo.
I'd rather 3 million of them than one more Muslim.
Why?
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Why?
Because there's too much anti-racism in society for my liking & I strongly object to being told what opinions I should have.
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Because there's too much anti-racism in society for my liking & I strongly object to being told what opinions I should have.
If there was too much racism in society would you be an anti-racist?
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If there was too much racism in society would you be an anti-racist?
Yes.
That is roughly how my principle system functions.
It's like years ago I might have supported LGBT rights, but since that seems to be particularly popular these days I am thoroughly & unashamedly against it.
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Yes.
That is roughly how my principle system functions.
It's like years ago I might have supported LGBT rights, but since that seems to be particularly popular these days I am thoroughly & unashamedly against it.
I see, so that's why you support paedophiles. I getcha.
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It seems British fishermen are not happy bunnies and who can blame them? Promised the seas and everything in them but reality dawns that Brexit was built on costly lies:
You misled us over Brexit deal, angry fishermen tell Johnson
January 08 2021, 12.01am
“Everything ... that you, and others at the very top of government told us, and also told parliament [and] the general public, led us to believe that your stance on fishing was not just rhetoric or expedience, but was based around a principle — that a sovereign country should be able to control who fishes in its own waters and should be able to harvest the fish resources in its own waters primarily for its own people. That proved not to be the case,” says the federation’s letter to Downing Street.
“It is not that, in the end, you were forced to concede in the face of an intransigent and powerful opponent that has caused such fury across our industry, it is that you have tried to present the agreement as a major success when it is patently clear that it is not.”
Anger is growing in the industry, not only over the deal but also over problems with new customs paperwork that is hitting Scottish fishermen particularly hard. Many have kept their boats in port as distribution problems have stopped their consignments from reaching customers on the Continent.
The transport company DFDS, which consolidates smaller shipments into truckloads for export, halted its operations last week after delays in getting on top of the new customs paperwork. The company’s shipments are not expected to resume until next week, and even then are likely to take two days rather than one to reach markets in the EU.
Anger at the delays was exacerbated by the Scotland Office minister David Duguid, who was asked by BBC Radio Scotland how long it would take before trade began to run smoothly again. “Well, how long’s a piece of string?,” he told Good Morning Scotland before adding: “We are working day and night in resolving the issues that we know about and that we can fix directly.”
In the Commons Douglas Ross, the leader of the Scottish Conservatives, told George Eustice, the environment secretary, that financial compensation was “clearly needed by our fishermen right across the country”.
The Scottish Liberal Democrat MP Alistair Carmichael described the situation as “a shambles of the government’s own making”.
“For years this government has promised our fishing industry a sea of opportunity, but today our boats are tied up in harbour, their propellers filled with red tape manufactured in Whitehall,” he said. “Yesterday the prime minister told the liaison committee that compensation had been considered for our fishing industry. Who is going to be compensated, for what and by how much?”
Mr Eustice described the issues being faced by fishermen as “teething problems” and said the government was looking into the case for compensation.
Downing Street later confirmed that there would be compensation for affected businesses, and said it did not believe the companies were to blame for delays or losses. “We have said that we are looking to compensate the fishing industry given they face temporary issues, and we accept that this may have been through no fault of their own,” the prime minister’s spokesman said.
Victoria Prentis, the fisheries minister, came under fire after admitting that she did not read the Christmas Eve deal because she was too busy organising local festivities.
Jacob Rees-Mogg, the leader of the House of Commons, was also attacked after giving a flippant response to Scottish concerns over the impact of new border controls. He said that fish were “better and happier” after Brexit.
The Brexit deal struck by Mr Johnson has left the EU with 75 per cent of its fishing quota, by value, caught in Britain’s waters until the end of a five-and-a-half year transition period.
While the quotas will be up for grabs in annual talks from 2026, the federation suggests that any new negotiations will be “Groundhog Day”, with the EU “repeatedly exerting its ability to bring greater economic power to bear on the UK, who after protests will again and again capitulate”.
“Depressingly, we will remain tied into a neo-colonial relationship with the EU on fish, despite our rights under international law, for long into the future,” wrote the federation in its letter to Mr Johnson.
“This was our moment in the political sun — a small but symbolically significant industry had an opportunity to break free of an asymmetric and fundamentally exploitative relationship with the EU.
“We failed in this agreement to break out of that grip, and it would be much better if you, with humility and honesty, conceded that you tried but failed — rather than implying that you had handed us the keys of our liberation, when you have not.”
Case study
Hansen Black, 54, is the sales director of Shetland Fish, which specialises in selling a range of white fish including ling, monkfish, haddock and cod.
Before this month it was able to buy produce on a Monday and have it at the port in Boulogne by Wednesday morning. This year its first shipment was delayed by several days while its second ended up having to be sold in the UK because it was taking too long to get to Europe.
Mr Black, a former chief executive of the Shetland Fishermen’s Association, said: “To say it has been a pretty disappointing start to the year would be an understatement.”
Even with Covid-19 restrictions, last year an average of almost 6,400 boxes of fish were landed each week. This week’s daily totals have ranged from 800 boxes to less than 200.
Mr Black said: “It is going to be a very, very quiet week. We are selling a fraction of the quantity we normally would. Different companies will be in different positions but it is a worrying time for everybody. If we cannot get this sorted then there will be businesses which go to the wall for sure.”
Jamie McMillan, the managing director of Loch Fyne Seafarms, went on Twitter to air his disappointment with Boris Johnson and his government.
He fears that his company and many others face bankruptcy unless the “unbelievable” situation is resolved. “I’m dismayed, I’m angry, my blood is boiling,” he said.
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Unbelievable, no wonder the Scots want independence:
US tariffs on whisky will stay as post-Brexit trade talks falter
Oliver Wright, Callum Jones
Friday January 15 2021, 12.01am, The Times
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Removing the tariffs on whisky is unlikely to be a priority for Katherine Tai, the new US trade representative
Removing the tariffs on whisky is unlikely to be a priority for Katherine Tai, the new US trade representative
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Ministers have given up hope of striking an eleventh-hour deal with the Trump administration to end crippling whisky tariffs costing the industry £30 million a month in lost exports.
Liz Truss, the international trade secretary, announced last month that Britain would suspend tariffs that were imposed on American products as part of a longstanding EU-US trade conflict.
The post-Brexit move was designed to pave the way for the US to reciprocate and drop its 25 per cent tariffs on Scottish whisky exports which have so far cost the industry more than £300 million in lost sales.
But with less than a week before President Trump leaves office the US is understood not to have tabled an offer. It means that while the UK has lifted a swath of tariffs on US products, those imposed by America on the UK will remain. Senior figures have warned that removing the taxes is unlikely to be a priority for Joe Biden’s administration.
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I see in the news that multi millionaires Marcus Rashford & co are pressuring the government over free school meals, again.
Why don't they dip into their own pockets to pay for all the kids their so bleedin concerned about.
I am sick of this soppy socialist agenda.
Why should I, a non-millionaire, pay for other peoples kids?
I don't have children, I don't want children & I don't like children.
Poor people could always not have children, which would save them a lot of money, thus lifting them out of poverty.
If you already have children but later on can't afford to pay for your children, sell them.
If you have children, but you yourself are going hungry, eat your children.
You can't have child poverty without children, if we let the poor children starve to death, the problem solves itself.
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I see in the news that multi millionaires Marcus Rashford & co are pressuring the government over free school meals, again.
Why don't they dip into their own pockets to pay for all the kids their so bleedin concerned about.
I am sick of this soppy socialist agenda.
Why should I, a non-millionaire, pay for other peoples kids?
I don't have children, I don't want children & I don't like children.
Poor people could always not have children, which would save them a lot of money, thus lifting them out of poverty.
If you already have children but later on can't afford to pay for your children, sell them.
If you have children, but you yourself are going hungry, eat your children.
You can't have child poverty without children, if we let the poor children starve to death, the problem solves itself.
What has any of this got to do with Brexit?
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What has any of this got to do with Brexit?
It's only a matter of time before child poverty is blamed on Brexit.
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It's only a matter of time before child poverty is blamed on Brexit.
Surely Brexit will make us all hugely well off and well fed? I thought that was the point of it. All that lovely fish we’ve got now...
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Surely Brexit will make us all hugely well off and well fed? I thought that was the point of it. All that lovely fish we’ve got now...
Yes, they are lovely British fish & they're happier fish, now they're not European.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jacob-rees-mogg-fish-brexit-b1787271.html
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Yes, they are lovely British fish & they're happier fish, now they're not European.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jacob-rees-mogg-fish-brexit-b1787271.html
Of course they’re happy, no one can catch them now.
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There’s no fishing in Norway for the boat Brexit forgot
January 11 2021, 12.01am
The trawler fishes for cod and haddock in what are known as distant waters. Its catch supplies 8%-12% of fish used by fish-and-chip outlets — up to about 700 tons per trip, depending on quotas. Now imports from Norway and Iceland are expected to close the gap.
“We thought it’d all be sorted, off we go back to sea,” Charlie Waddy, 62, the ship’s first mate, said. With all the talk of fishing in December’s Brexit talks, he believed the government would have had arrangements in place before quotas reset on January 1.
“The politics side of ‘It’s theirs, it’s not ours’ — all we want to do is go to work,” he said. He is concerned for his younger crew members, many with children.
As self-employed share fishermen, Kirkella crew members receive a proportion of the profits of their catch rather than a salary — and most get no help from the government while stranded on land. The Kirkella has two crews that take it in turns to make seven-week trips. One crew has been home since September, with no departure date on the horizon.
The Kirkella is stuck in Hull until Britain strikes a bilateral agreement
The Kirkella is stuck in Hull until Britain strikes a bilateral agreement
LORNE CAMPBELL
The trawler, which has a processing factory on board, is less than three years old and cost £52m. She is owned by UK Fisheries, which employs 140 people, mostly Hull locals, to fish distant waters. Its chief executive, Jane Sandell, said she hoped for a solution by the spring.
A fisherman since he was 16, Waddy supported Brexit but has changed his mind: “I think it’s the wrong decision, yes.”
Ricky Campbell, 33, a deckhand, has a two-year-old daughter, Penelope, and is living off savings. His planned wedding to Rebecca Haggitt was cancelled twice last year because of the pandemic, but he lives in hope. “I’m just waiting for that phone call to say that the lads are going out there.”
Karl Turner, the Labour MP for Hull East, has written to the prime minister to say “the industry and local leaders have been alerting the government to this for over two years, and yet here we are with no ability to fish”.
The Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs said: “The UK’s first annual bilateral negotiations with Norway and the Faroe Islands will be concluded as soon as practicable.” It admitted the talks with Norway had yet to start.
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However the fish are much happier fish now that they are British fish according to Jacob Reece Mogg.
And this was his reply to a serious question by a Scottish member of Parliament about the catastrophic results of the post Brexit red tape which is devastating the fishing industry.
And anyone wonders why many Scots seek independence.
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I would love for there to be an independent Scotland.
The Scots are welcome to keep their alcoholism, smack addiction & ghastly first minister on their side of the border.
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I would love for there to be an independent Scotland.
The Scots are welcome to keep their alcoholism, smack addiction & ghastly first minister on their side of the border.
Quite right too.
Just be sure you and the ghastly Boris and the ghastly Jacob stay on your side of the border and leave us alcoholic, drug fuelled Scots to fester in our independence.
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I would love for there to be an independent Scotland.
The Scots are welcome to keep their alcoholism, smack addiction & ghastly first minister on their side of the border.
It's great that there are no social problems in England isn't it Spam? Plus we have world class politicians too, like Boris, and Matt and Priti.
LOL.
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Quite right too.
Just be sure you and the ghastly Boris and the ghastly Jacob stay on your side of the border and leave us alcoholic, drug fuelled Scots to fester in our independence.
Hadrian's wall or indeed the Antonine wasn't built with out purpose.
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Quite right too.
Just be sure you and the ghastly Boris and the ghastly Jacob stay on your side of the border and leave us alcoholic, drug fuelled Scots to fester in our independence.
Hahahaha what independence do you refer to? being ruled by the unelected EU commissioners? wow, sound like a great democratic way to go.. what we waiting for? So what if...
yes, what if England closed its borders and air space and removed trident and other shared MOD contracts. What currency would triky Niky use- not the bloody English pound surely! Bit coins? YEAH someone has really thought this through. lol
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Hahahaha what independence do you refer to? being ruled by the unelected EU commissioners? wow, sound like a great democratic way to go.. what we waiting for? So what if...
yes, what if England closed its borders and air space and removed trident and other shared MOD contracts. What currency would triky Niky use- not the bloody English pound surely! Bit coins? YEAH someone has really thought this through. lol
The Scottish people need to remember that saying; "Be careful what you wish for." Without the support of Westminster the SNP could find that more than dislike of the English is needed to keep them in power.
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The Scottish people need to remember that saying; "Be careful what you wish for." Without the support of Westminster the SNP could find that more than dislike of the English is needed to keep them in power.
Do you really believe that the increasing support for the SNP is based on " the dislike of the English"?
Really ?
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Do you really believe that the increasing support for the SNP is based on " the dislike of the English"?
Really ?
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What? are you suggesting it is because we will be better off economically- O K A Y hahahahaha dream on- Under SNPEEE everything has got worse!
NHS, Education, fiscal provisions and the embarrassing behavior of the SNP MPs. Tricky Nicky holding fast to her toxic cabal who are trying to ruin the life of an EX first minister...
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What? are you suggesting it is because we will be better off economically- O K A Y hahahahaha dream on- Under SNPEEE everything has got worse!
NHS, Education, fiscal provisions and the embarrassing behavior of the SNP MPs. Tricky Nicky holding fast to her toxic cabal who are trying to ruin the life of an EX first minister...
You sound desperate.
There is an election in May. If everything is as dreadful here in Scotland as you describe then the SNP wont win.
So calm down, no need for such histrionics.
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You sound desperate.
There is an election in May. If everything is as dreadful here in Scotland as you describe then the SNP wont win.
So calm down, no need for such histrionics.
Nationalist Scots will always vote SNP even if the country is going down the pan. The difficulty though for a small country of 5m inhabitants is that if they gain independence they won't have us English to bail them out next time they get into financial difficulties.
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Nationalist Scots will always vote SNP even if the country is going down the pan.
Now that is just a silly comment.
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Now that is just a silly comment.
How so? Scots, Welsh and Irish nationalists are all cut from the same Gaelic cloth.
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Now that is just a silly comment.
I tend to agree having seen my own Scots farming kin turn from Tory to SNP at the last election.
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I tend to agree having seen my own Scots farming kin turn from Tory to SNP at the last election.
I watched a televised session of Westminster Parliamentary debate just a few weeks ago. There was a Scottish Westminster member raising the issue of the lorry loads of rotting Scottish seafood, rotting because of the new post Brexit red tape, and how this would impact on his constituents.
Jacob Rees -Mogg disparagingly dismissed the concerns and ended his remarks by saying how much happier the fish in our waters would be now that they are British fish.
And thus the desire for independence grows.
The fishing communities may also follow your farming kin.
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I watched a televised session of Westminster Parliamentary debate just a few weeks ago. There was a Scottish Westminster member raising the issue of the lorry loads of rotting Scottish seafood, rotting because of the new post Brexit red tape, and how this would impact on his constituents.
Jacob Rees -Mogg disparagingly dismissed the concerns and ended his remarks by saying how much happier the fish in our waters would be now that they are British fish.
And thus the desire for independence grows.
The fishing communities may also follow your farming kin.
Its true though, the Tories are to blame for disenfranchising many Scots businesses who depends on express transport links. I can get goods quicker from Germany now than I can from England.
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Its true though, the Tories are to blame for disenfranchising many Scots businesses who depends on express transport links. I can get goods quicker from Germany now than I can from England.
But do you have to pay more for them in duties and handling charges?
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I watched a televised session of Westminster Parliamentary debate just a few weeks ago. There was a Scottish Westminster member raising the issue of the lorry loads of rotting Scottish seafood, rotting because of the new post Brexit red tape, and how this would impact on his constituents.
Jacob Rees -Mogg disparagingly dismissed the concerns and ended his remarks by saying how much happier the fish in our waters would be now that they are British fish.
And thus the desire for independence grows.
The fishing communities may also follow your farming kin.
Scottish seafood or British seafood? I've been watching a series about Cornish fishermen who have also had problems getting their British produce into the EU. They didn't seem to be blaming the Westminster government, however. It seems the French have a hand in the delays. Did they neglect to prepare for Brexit properly or could they be making a 'fishing' point, I wonder?
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Scottish seafood or British seafood? I've been watching a series about Cornish fishermen who have also had problems getting their British produce into the EU. They didn't seem to be blaming the Westminster government, however. It seems the French have a hand in the delays. Did they neglect to prepare for Brexit properly or could they be making a 'fishing' point, I wonder?
At least one of them isn’t very happy...
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1393497/Brexit-news-EU-fishing-quotas-industry-red-tape-cornwall-export
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At least one of them isn’t very happy...
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1393497/Brexit-news-EU-fishing-quotas-industry-red-tape-cornwall-export
Yes, he mentions the French delays;
“Now, it’s getting pulled up in Boulogne and turned away for the smallest thing.
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Yes, he mentions the French delays;
“Now, it’s getting pulled up in Boulogne and turned away for the smallest thing.
you seem to have overlooked this quote from the fisherman
Mr Trust – who voted for Brexit in 2016 – said the Leave campaign has duped them.
He continued: “When they were talking about increasing the quotas, making our own decisions, that sounded good.
“And they had a big red bus which said they’d fund the NHS, that sounded good.
“I fell for it. I didn’t realise and I’m shooting myself in the bloody foot.”
He added if there was another Brexit referendum, he would vote to Remain.
Mr Trust added: “Given a second chance, I wouldn’t have voted for it.
“It’s totally b....red me up and it’s geared for people selling multiple tonnes of fish.
“It will cost jobs.”
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Scottish seafood or British seafood? I've been watching a series about Cornish fishermen who have also had problems getting their British produce into the EU. They didn't seem to be blaming the Westminster government, however. It seems the French have a hand in the delays. Did they neglect to prepare for Brexit properly or could they be making a 'fishing' point, I wonder?
Definitely Scottish seafood .
Much like Scots whisky or would you prefer that to be British whisky?
The delays were at Dover caused by the unpreparedness of the authorities on this side of the channel
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No comment about Jacob Rees-Moggs glib and sneering reply to a concerned member of parliament?
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Definitely Scottish seafood .
Much like Scots whisky or would you prefer that to be British whisky?
The delays were at Dover caused by the unpreparedness of the authorities on this side of the channel
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No comment about Jacob Rees-Moggs glib and sneering reply to a concerned member of parliament?
Scots whisky and cornish pasties are both made in regions of the United Kingdom.
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Scots whisky and cornish pasties are both made in regions of the United Kingdom.
What about Welsh Lamb, is that not a thing?
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Scots whisky and cornish pasties are both made in regions of the United Kingdom.
Ah I forgot you do not recognise Scotland as a nation or country just a region of the UK.
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Ah I forgot you do not recognise Scotland as a nation or country just a region of the UK.
Scotland may be both, but it's legally a part of the United Kingdom and has been for over 200 years.
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Scotland may be both, but it's legally a part of the United Kingdom and has been for over 200 years.
As I recall Britain was legally a part of the EU for 50-ish years, and your point is...?
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As I recall Britain was legally a part of the EU for 50-ish years, and your point is...?
No, that was the UK. It was also slightly different because there was always the choice to exit.
Britain = England and Wales
Great Britain = England, Wales and Scotland
UK = England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland.
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No, that was the UK. It was also slightly different because there was always the choice to exit.
Britain = England and Wales
Great Britain = England, Wales and Scotland
UK = England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland.
The choice to exit was only made available when there was a referendum, which is what the Scottish have had and which they want again, based on the fact that they have had to leave the EU with the rest of the UK. I think that's fair enough.
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The choice to exit was only made available when there was a referendum, which is what the Scottish have had and which they want again, based on the fact that they have had to leave the EU with the rest of the UK. I think that's fair enough.
It was always possible to leave and a referendum wasn't required, that was a choice made by the PM. The process of leaving was made clearer and easier by Article 50.
Article 50 of the Treaty on European Union, enacted by the Treaty of Lisbon on 1 December 2009, introduced for the first time a procedure for a member state to withdraw voluntarily from the EU.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Withdrawal_from_the_European_Union#Background
As far as I know there is no process in place for leaving the United Kingdom. At the moment the Scottish government and the SNP seem to have their hands full with the Salmond affair.
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It was always possible to leave and a referendum wasn't required, that was a choice made by the PM. The process of leaving was made clearer and easier by Article 50.
Article 50 of the Treaty on European Union, enacted by the Treaty of Lisbon on 1 December 2009, introduced for the first time a procedure for a member state to withdraw voluntarily from the EU.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Withdrawal_from_the_European_Union#Background
As far as I know there is no process in place for leaving the United Kingdom. At the moment the Scottish government and the SNP seem to have their hands full with the Salmond affair.
Are you suggesting that prior to December 2009 it would not have been possible to exit the EU? The process for leaving the UK starts with “the will of the people” and the rest follows on from there. Where there’s a will there’s a way.
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The choice to exit was only made available when there was a referendum, which is what the Scottish have had and which they want again, based on the fact that they have had to leave the EU with the rest of the UK. I think that's fair enough.
"which is what the Scottish have had and which they want again," to send them home wards to think again? lmao
Erngath and her millions of followers tell you sush?
OK lets look at them stats -shall we?
1.There was a referendum asking Scottish people if they wanted to stay in the Union or leave. The MAJORITY voted to stay.
2. The SNPEEE party only has a majority thanks to the Green snowflake party. Shock news just in- the SNP do not have a mandate to order another referendum because they are not the voice of the MAJORITY of the people of Scotland just a majority of those who bothered to vote. different thing altogether.
3 Scotland was NEVER in the EU as a nation and was never recognised as a separate nation within the EU. It was the UK with the clout of England which got the UK into the Common Market. Therefore, all this talk about taking the Scottish people out of the EU against their will is farcical and blatant lies. The Scots were not offered a separate vote to stay or leave the EU based on the information I have just given.
The poor voting is down to the appalling state of the country and the offerings of quality politicians . who should Scots vote for? Liebour- the marxist agenda, The conservatives stiil ,in the central belt ,a hated idea due to the Irish republican's second third gen, and SNP.. with their equality and diversity= taking over free speech , using the courts to silence critics? oh the Scottish Nasty party is still lifting their skirts to show the world the intention of their dirty deeds!
I hope of all hope the decent men and women in those parties will stand as independents and stop this charade of self serving ,self promoting power seeking.
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"which is what the Scottish have had and which they want again," to send them home wards to think again? lmao
Erngath and her millions of followers tell you sush?
OK lets look at them stats -shall we?
1.There was a referendum asking Scottish people if they wanted to stay in the Union or leave. The MAJORITY voted to stay.
2. The SNPEEE party only has a majority thanks to the Green snowflake party. Shock news just in- the SNP do not have a mandate to order another referendum because they are not the voice of the MAJORITY of the people of Scotland just a majority of those who bothered to vote. different thing altogether.
3 Scotland was NEVER in the EU as a nation and was never recognised as a separate nation within the EU. It was the UK with the clout of England which got the UK into the Common Market. Therefore, all this talk about taking the Scottish people out of the EU against their will is farcical and blatant lies. The Scots were not offered a separate vote to stay or leave the EU based on the information I have just given.
The poor voting is down to the appalling state of the country and the offerings of quality politicians . who should Scots vote for? Liebour- the marxist agenda, The conservatives stiil ,in the central belt ,a hated idea due to the Irish republican's second third gen, and SNP.. with their equality and diversity= taking over free speech , using the courts to silence critics? oh the Scottish Nasty party is still lifting their skirts to show the world the intention of their dirty deeds!
I hope of all hope the decent men and women in those parties will stand as independents and stop this charade of self serving ,self promoting power seeking.
58% of Scots want independence now according to the latest post-Brexit polls. I personally hope Scotland remains in the Union but I can’t really see much hope for that now.
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58% of Scots want independence now according to the latest post-Brexit polls. I personally hope Scotland remains in the Union but I can’t really see much hope for that now.
Error: "58% of Scots want independence now".
This should read: 58% of Scots who were questioned want independence now, and this should be followed by how many people were polled and in which area was this conducted? To show this was not a biased effort on behalf of the pollsters.
If Independence was actual independence and not to be made a colony of EU. which isn't a country at all!
We have NOTHING to offer the EU apart from debts and some fish we can't tax what we don't earn and you need LOTS of tax to pay into the EU gravy train.
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Error: "58% of Scots want independence now".
This should read: 58% of Scots who were questioned want independence now, and this should be followed by how many people were polled and in which area was this conducted? To show this was not a biased effort on behalf of the pollsters.
If Independence was actual independence and not to be made a colony of EU. which isn't a country at all!
We have NOTHING to offer the EU apart from debts and some fish we can't tax what we don't earn and you need LOTS of tax to pay into the EU gravy train.
Yes, I agree about being wary of polls for the reasons you mention.
I'm not sure what you mean by "actual independence"? In what sense?
IMO, it's up to the electorate to decide what's likely to be best for them, provided they are able to weigh up the advantages and disadvantages of the various options. And that assumes having accurate information and not relying on populist media outlets that provoke knee-jerk reactions.
However, I disagree with your last point re the cost of EU membership.
From 1973 up to 2018 Ireland was a net recipient of over €40 billion in EU funds. The country is now a net contributordue to its significant economic growth but its current net contribution of around 0.10% of the Irish economy is much less than the financial value of access to the EU Single Market.
https://ireland.representation.ec.europa.eu/about-us/benefits-eu-membership_en