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Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #555 on: April 29, 2019, 08:23:53 AM »
August 2018
“According to The Mirror, George said: “When I was in emergency accommodation in Hackney, I was stood in a long hallway and I had a gun put to my head. “I went to the police station and told them and they gave me lip service. I was living in fear. There were two things in my mind: I’ve been acquitted of this crime and then I get a gun to my head.

There was talk of a Serbian hit team involved in Jill’s killing.

“We think it must have been someone who had a link. It’s too much of a coincidence.”

The Met Office police confirmed that George had informed them of the incident at the time it happened, but appeared in a state of shock upon arrival and couldn’t give concrete details about what he had witnessed.

Criminal report specialist David Wells had joined George to report the crime and told The Mirror: “He was incredibly distressed… sweating, out of breath and in quite a state. I’d seen Barry on many occasions and I had never seen him this distressed. Barry repeated that someone pointed a gun at him and made a threat – he appeared highly credible. He was very afraid. It could well have been someone linked to the murder of Jill Dando.

“It does seem unlikely someone would randomly select Barry out of millions in London and threaten him and put a gun to his head after his acquittal. If indeed it was rated as a serious complaint and investigated by police, nothing came of it.” http://igvofficial.com/case-solved-mark-williams-thomas-reveals-news-about-jill-dandos-killer/

July 2009
“Burley notified police after interviewing George following his release, claiming she was worried about his behaviour. She was briefly given security protection following her complaint.

In the high court writ, George's solicitor, Nicholas Baird of St Albans firm Wells Burcombe, contends that journalists and photographers from the MGN papers followed him and photographed him surreptitiously. Baird claims that this breached his client's right to privacy under human rights legislation.

George says his character and reputation have been gravely injured, and that he has suffered great embarrassment, anxiety and distress.

The writ alleges the newspapers published a series of photographs and details about his movements, including his stay at a hotel in Leeds and a visit to Walsall hospital.

George is also seeking an injunction against MGN barring it from repeating the allegations made in the stories.

A spokesman for Trinity Mirror confirmed that the publisher had received the claim at the beginning of July but declined to comment further.
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2009/aug/21/barry-george-sues-mirror-group


Nicholas Baird’s contract with Wells Burcombe was terminated on 10th Aug 2016

https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/OC336186/filing-history

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Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #556 on: April 29, 2019, 10:21:01 AM »
“Brian Cathcart (born 26 October 1956) is an Irish-born journalist, academic and media campaigner based in the United Kingdom. He is professor of journalism at Kingston University London [1] and in 2011 was a founder of Hacked Off,[2] which campaigns for a free and accountable press. His books include Were You Still Up for Portillo? (1997), The Case of Stephen Lawrence (1999), The Fly in the Cathedral (2004) and The News From Waterloo (2015).
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Cathcart

Brian Cathcart is professor of journalism at Kingston University London and was a founder of the Hacked Off campaign. He served as specialist adviser to the commons media select committee in 2008-10. Irish by background, he was a journalist at Reuters, the Independent papers and the New Statesman, and has written books about the murders of Stephen Lawrence and Jill Dando, as well as on the history of nuclear science. He tweets as @BrianCathcart
Read more at:https://www.byline.com/journalist/brianjcathcart/biography

Police defend Dando murder hunt - July 2001
“Brian Cathcart, who has written a book about the murder, told the BBC that "fundamental mistakes" had been made in the handling of forensic evidence.
Chief among these was the coat which provided a speck of firearms residue linking George to the crime scene.
'Beggars belief'
Mr Cathcart said: "That a coat which had been sealed in an evidence bag should have been removed from that bag to be photographed and then replaced in that bag.
"That it was photographed in a studio where firearms were also photographed.
"This was before it was ever forensically examined. It beggars belief.
"Something similar happened with a lot of the other evidence that was removed from Barry George's flat. It was put in a depository where there was a firearms cache."
But DS Campbell said he was convinced police had got the right man.
"This has been a thorough investigation. I believe the right verdict has been reached," he said.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1420037.stm

A Question or Identity by Brian Cathcart July 2002
“When the judge summed up in the trial of Barry George last year, one instruction he gave the jury was that if they were not sure – and he stressed that word "sure" – about the identification evidence, then they must return a verdict of not guilty. In other words, no matter what they felt about anything else they had heard in court, if they were not satisfied beyond reasonable doubt that George was at the murder scene that morning, they had to acquit him.
Given such a clear instruction, it might seem fair to conclude that this part of the evidence at least must have been sound, that we can be confident that the man now serving life imprisonment for murdering Jill Dando was there or thereabouts, roughly at the time of the deed. Unhappily for Barry George and – unless something changes when he appeals against his conviction next week – unhappily for defendants in other trials yet to come, that is very far from being the case.
For although police traced dozens of people who used the west London street where Dando died on that morning, only one of them ever categorically identified George. And that witness, a local woman called Susan Mayes, said that she had seen him four and a half hours before the murder was committed. The sighting was at 7am, while the murder occurred at about 11.30am. And the circumstances are as worrying as the timing. The man that Ms Mayes saw across the road was wiping the windscreen of a double-parked, maroon-coloured car and wore a black suit with a white shirt open at the neck – all details difficult to reconcile with Barry George in the role of murderer
Since a double-parked car in Gowan Avenue would inevitably block the way, we can be sure it would have attracted attention if it had stayed there long, and yet no other witness saw it. The likelihood, therefore, is that it drove off soon after this sighting. By the same token, none of the other people out and about in the half hour after 7am saw this man. The odds, therefore, surely favour him getting into the car (which he had been wiping) and driving away. Yet Barry George can't drive and has never owned a car, maroon or otherwise
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/a-question-of-identity-183860.html

Prejudice? What prejudice? By Brian Cathcart June 2007
“When Barry George was arrested, newspapers branded him a weirdo and a loner - and we are asked to be

Of course, it is not the fault of the newspapers if the courts can’t be trusted to get decisions right. They just did what papers do. Having dutifully sat on some lurid (if ancient) material about George right through the trial, they unleashed it the moment the jury said “guilty” - photos of him with guns and a gas mask, a 20-year-old attempted rape conviction, an arrest outside Kensington Palace and more.
https://www.newstatesman.com/media/2007/06/barry-george-loner-conviction

Dando case evidence 'unreliable' November 2007
“The day after the verdict, campaign group Miscarriages of Justice claimed the case had all the hallmarks of injustice.

Brian Cathcart, who has written a book about the murder, said George was a "vulnerable" defendant and insisted that there was an "absence of motive"
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7073564.stm

Financial Times by Brian Cathcart January 2013
“The implications of possible media prejudice go far wider than this one case. Only last summer Dominic Grieve, the
Attorney General, argued in court that some of the reporting of the arrest of Christopher Jefferies, who turned out to be wholly innocent of the murder of Joanna Yeates, would have prejudiced his chances of a fair trial.
I followed closely the trial of Barry George, wrongly convicted of the 1999 murder of Jill Dando and eventually freed on appeal. So weak was the case against him that I am convinced the lurid media reporting at the time of his arrest influenced the original verdict

Courts and Controversy – consequences of the Jefferies contempt case” – Brian Cathcart
“The Contempt of Court Act of 1981 prohibits all but the most straightforward reporting in a crime case from the moment “proceedings are active”, in other words once someone is arrested. The idea is to ensure that coverage does not interfere with the course of justice, for instance by prejudicing the eventual jury. But for years, when a big, competitive story came along, many editors and reporters in national media simply ignored the Act and continued to publish often grotesque allegations about a suspect after arrest and even sometimes after they were charged. Think Colin Stagg, Barry George, Karen Matthews and others — and Stagg and George were later shown to be innocent.

“The consequences could be significant. Not only might future reporting of crime be more restrained, but we could even see fewer miscarriages of justice. I reported the first trial of Barry George for the murder of Jill Dando in 2002 and I am convinced that his wrongful conviction was partly due to the influence on the jury of the grossly prejudicial press reporting about him after his arrest. George spent seven years in jail before the conviction was overturned.
https://inforrm.org/2011/09/04/opinion-courts-and-controversy-consequences-of-the-jeffries-contempt-case-brian-cathcart/

Hacked Off – Why The Secrecy? by @tabloidtroll on April 30, 2012
“The industry I have loathed and loved for more  decades than I care to remember is going through  the sort of public beasting which was reserved for witches in medieval England. No doubt there were excesses and a few individuals will no doubt find themselves before the courts. Should it emerge that they were indeed guilty of criminality, and not have a legitimate reason for their actions, then I am sure they will be punished.

The trouble – as many tabloid journalists like myself see it – is that there seems to be a rampaging to desire to flay all of us, and do so now, without any form of trial or jury. Unsurprisingly those at the forefront of this campaign – take a bow Labour member of parliament Tom Watson – are politicians who rarely see eye-to-eye with the media. Many are indeed still recovering from the trauma of having their dodgy expenses laid bare before their constituents courtesy of the press. Mr Watson, for example, claimed the maximum food allowance and had a penchant for food shopping at Marks and Spencer on the taxpayer. The excuse that they  doled out was they were told it was OK to do it, yet the same MPs now deny that explanation to journalists working for News International.

But the attacks have not just come from MPs. The Guardian newspaper has also been revelling in reminding us what they have been saying for years – namely that tabloid newspapers are “just awful”. The fact that many of their most senior journalists came from those self-same tabloids – and indeed feature in the Motorman Report – is blatantly over looked. Who can also have failed to notice that the paper – which already has readers leaving it in droves – is so much duller without the News of the World to re-write on Monday.

However, one of the most remarkable features of recent months has been the emergence of the so-called Media Standards Trust, a registered charity, which also runs the Hacked Off campaign group. Few journalists who have covered the Leveson Inquiry at the High Court will not have run into one of the trust’s staff – tweeting from the hearing but most definitely not tweeting all of it. Indeed if you want a fair and accurate report of each day’s evidence I strongly suggest you look elsewhere. Ben Fenton, of the FT, is an excellent example of someone tweeting all the evidence – without bias or slant.

The open hostility this group shows towards tabloids is all there for all to see – sweeping generalisations such as “you all make things up” are liberally espoused by its co-ordinator, a former local newspaper reporter whose only experience of working at a higher level was as an intern at the Independent. Martin Moore and Brian Cathcart, the most public faces of the campaign, are further examples of the anti-tabloid agenda which sadly categorises the trust.

Recently I decided to take a further look at the Media Standards Trust – particularly keen to see if it was meeting the standards it was now apparently requiring of the rest of us. According to its website it is independent – yet has board members from the Scott Trust, which owns the Guardian, and also from the Pearson Foundation, which is the charitable arm of the Financial Times.

Equally against this independence claim is the powerful presence of one Charles Manby, the former worldwide head of Goldman Sachs. This bank has more reason to fear the media than most, after it was revealed that it playing a leading role in the sub prime mortgage collapse, which in turn has seen economies hit around the world. According to the charity’s accounts he was the largest individual donor back in 2007/08 – the same year that his bank was involved in the scandalous sub prime mortgage fiasco.

Perhaps mindful of the sort of image this conveys, or perhaps because Mr Manby and other secret donors were keen to keep their contributions private, the Media Standards Trust has not published details of who gives what since then. So, for example, the 2010 accounts show donations and gifts of £45,059 without any explanation of who, what, or why.

One would imagine that an organisation such as that run by Messrs Moore and Cathcart would be keen to explain all of this – particularly as they regaularly lambast tabloids for a lack of openness and hidden agendas. Last week I tweeted Mr Moore a whole series of questions – Hacked Off’s initial response was to suggest that because I don’t reveal my name then I am not entitled to the answers. Thankfully others pointed out that this was hardly an example of transparency – and its co-ordinator promised Moore would answer when he returned from holiday.

On Sunday he responded to the tweets at 8am – saying he would be addressing the issue once he had un-packed. Sadly this proved to be something of a false dawn – all he has done in two further tweets is post a link to accounts dating back to 2010. Then on Monday I put to him Mr Manby’s contribution and asked for a breakdown of who has given what since – the silence back from the organisation which wants “openness” and “accountability” has been deafening.

It appears that a charitable trust does not think it should be answerable to anyone – least of all the media it now seeks to change and – wait for it – make more open. No answers then to why a banker is on its board, what donations, if any, it has received from banks, how much it has been receiving on donations from unspecified individuals, or why it is claiming to be independent when the Guardian and the FT are involved.

My colleagues in the tabloid media say they have now lost all respect for Mr Moore and his cronies – so quite how they expect to garner our support is beyond me.

@tabloidtroll
https://annaraccoon.com/2012/04/30/hacked-off-why-the-secrecy/

Brian Cathcart: a traitor to journalism – or voice of reason?
“Hacked Off's executive director sat through the night to broker the Leveson deal – and has been condemned by colleagues for his role. But he says it was vital to cure newspaper abuses
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2013/mar/23/brian-cathcart-traitor-journalism-reason



Brian Cathcart, yet ANOTHER self serving, self promoting hypocrit!


“Cathcart may not approve of tabloid journalists, but he certainly knows how to behave like one.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/leveson-inquiry/9963263/The-truth-about-Hacked-Offs-media-coup.html


Hacked Off founder Brian Cathcart has accused Culture Secretary Matt Hancock of falsely crediting the Daily Mail with helping to bring Stephen Lawrence’s killers to justice - March 2018
“Cathcart described the claim as a “political lever being used to manipulate us all in the culture wars that surround our press” and a “gross disservice” to the Lawrence family.

In response, the Daily Mail has said it remains “proud” of its 20-year campaign regarding the case.
https://www.pressgazette.co.uk/hacked-off-founder-brian-cathcart-challenges-daily-mails-role-in-bringing-stephen-lawrence-killers-to-justice/
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Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #557 on: April 29, 2019, 10:59:58 AM »
excerpt from the book “Stand Against Injustice by Michelle Diskin Bates
“Marriage followed two years later and we bought a house in Ballincollig, just around the corner from Pat’s family. Life seemed to be moving on a well-oiled track, going in the same direction as most other people’s lives. One by one, the children arrived: Carine in 1985, Shane in 1987 and Emma Jane in 1990. Pat and I found ourselves working together day by day but growing further apart and, looking around me, I could see lots of other marriages going the same way. Life became humdrum, tedious and unfulfilling.
It was my psychiatrist who’d suggested college to me during my time in hospital in 1997. “Why don’t you enrol in a course at CIT? Maybe you could study psychology, I believe you’d do well at that,” she informed me as she sat reading over my notes and scribbling additions to the page. This was one of our one to one sessions, but I still looked around me to see who she was addressing, because she couldn’t have meant me. I was a mental wreck, psychologically impaired. I’d signed myself into the psychiatric ward a few weeks ago when I felt like my mind was imploding. The young doctor who’d interviewed me to assess my condition had asked, “Michelle, are you suicidal?” Struggling up through the pain and fog, I thought for a moment before I answered, “No, but if I go home, I will die!” The poor man had looked a bit nonplussed at that, but he took it seriously and admitted me to a ward. It was about six weeks later, after some R& R and one to ones with this impressive psychiatrist, that I found myself being assessed before going home. Enrolling in college felt like a lifeline had been thrown to me. Someone highly educated and deemed worthy by dint of her expertise had viewed me and seen a real person, not the shadow I had become.


Michelle Diskin Bates 🎀
@Michelle_Diskin
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Apr 26
Somebody's lost the plot
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8940955/jill-dando-murder-killer-stranger
/

 *&^^& 

Manipulative people have mastered the art of deception. They may appear respectable and sincere but often that’s just a facade; it's a way to draw you in and ensnare you in a relationship before they show their true colors.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog/in-flux/201610/9-classic-traits-manipulative-people

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Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #558 on: April 29, 2019, 11:14:54 AM »
Quote
Brian Cathcart, yet ANOTHER self serving, self promoting hypocrit!


“Cathcart may not approve of tabloid journalists, but he certainly knows how to behave like one.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/leveson-inquiry/9963263/The-truth-about-Hacked-Offs-media-coup.html


Hacked Off founder Brian Cathcart has accused Culture Secretary Matt Hancock of falsely crediting the Daily Mail with helping to bring Stephen Lawrence’s killers to justice - March 2018
“Cathcart described the claim as a “political lever being used to manipulate us all in the culture wars that surround our press” and a “gross disservice” to the Lawrence family.

In response, the Daily Mail has said it remains “proud” of its 20-year campaign regarding the case.
https://www.pressgazette.co.uk/hacked-off-founder-brian-cathcart-challenges-daily-mails-role-in-bringing-stephen-lawrence-killers-to-justice/


Misogynistic Brothel Creeps by Anna Raccoon on April 13, 2016
“Take your pick – the unfortunate Olivia is a ‘sex-worker’ in the Guardian; a ‘professional dominatrix and escort’ in the Socialist Worker; and ‘a prostitute’ in the Independent; nowhere have I seen her described as she is – a young single woman who signed up to Match.com in an effort to find a partner outside of her work circle, and who had a few dates before disclosing her entire previous sex life to a new man.

There is only one reason for this continual harping on about an alleged occupation which ended any relationship with John Whittingdale as soon as it was disclosed – and that is that political commentators appear to believe that Olivia’s occupation is derogatory and thus shows John Whittingdale in a poor light. If they believe that, then what is their justification for exposing Olivia to such comment? Is this ‘fallen women’ syndrome we see before us?

Not only has Olivia been publicly pilloried for behaving as many young single women do in London – availing herself of a match-making service – but even the owners, lessees, and managers of premises that she was stalked to, and photographed visiting, have been labelled as criminally liable ‘brothels’. Would someone please remind the Guardian that technically a brothel doesn’t even have to contain any women, nor does any payment have to change hands – but is merely premises ‘where people resort to lewd acts’ which is as neat a description of the Guardian’s annual Xmas party as ever I heard?

I want to know why this young woman has been exposed to prurient interest, stalked, harrassed, held up to scorn and ridicule, when she has done nothing illegal, nothing morally wrong, nothing of the remotest public interest?

Brian Cathcart, founder of ‘Hacked Off’ the organisation which seeks to curb the intrusion of the press into the ordinary lives of ordinary people – just like Olivia! – claims that it was justified on the following grounds. Nay, that they had an obligation to treat her in this way.....

Read more here:
https://annaraccoon.com/2016/04/13/misogynistic-brothel-creeps/
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Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #559 on: April 29, 2019, 11:25:15 AM »
Death of a girl next door
Nick Hopkins, the Guardian's crime correspondent, on Brian Cathcart's Jill Dando: Her Life and Death - August 2001


“All the ingredients are here: much-loved celebrity, shocking murder and doubts about the conviction of the local eccentric who was found guilty of the crime. And yet, and yet. Perhaps we've gorged enough on this subject; perhaps this analysis - the first since the Old Bailey trial, but certainly not the last - has come too soon. It is really two books in one. The first 130 pages are straightforward biography of Dando, the rest a description of her death, the police investigation and the arrest and trial of Barry George, sentenced in July to life imprisonment for her murder.

“It was written, it appears, without the cooperation of Dando's family or that of her fiancé, so Cathcart doesn't have the opportunity to explore fresh anecdote

“Is George innocent? Cathcart doesn't take a firm view, but prefers to marshal the facts for each side and pose questions that were already being asked weeks ago. There are rants at the press for "grossly distorting and luridly embellishing" the case against George once he was convicted, but the book doesn't go into detail or provide context.

Most crime reporters who covered the case from the day Dando died to the end of the trial thought George was probably guilty but would probably walk free, based on the evidence presented to the court
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2001/aug/11/biography.highereducation
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Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #560 on: April 29, 2019, 11:42:24 AM »
'Wrong man' convicted of Dando killing, says sister
“The sister of Barry George will tonight claim the "wrong man" was convicted of murdering Jill Dando and that her killer still walks free.
Michelle Diskin said her brother, found guilty at the Old Bailey on Monday, did "not have it in him" to gun down the TV presenter in cold blood.

In an interview for ITV's Tonight With Trevor McDonald, Mrs Diskin derides the police investigation and pours scorn on the health system for not better protecting George.

She claims neither Miss Dando nor her own family received justice from the high-profile eight-week trial that ended in George being sentenced to life for the April 1999 murder that shocked the nation.

Mrs Diskin, 45, a mother of three, *had not seen her brother for two years before his arrest but sat loyally in the public gallery during his trial and watched in stunned silence as the jury found him guilty by a 10-to-one majority.

Asked by Tonight reporter Martin Bashir what she had to say to the family of Miss Dando, Mrs Diskin says: "I feel terrible and sorry for them - what Jill Dando has received isn't justice.

"Barry is not going to sit and rot in prison while the perpetrator walks the streets."

She says the police "are going to stop looking for the right man and that is a travesty.

"There is someone out there that does deserve to be in (prison) and it's not Barry."

At George's trial, his counsel, Michael Mansfield QC, fought to have the case thrown out at every stage, arguing there was no proper evidence against his client and also substantial prejudice that would prevent him getting a fair trial.

Mrs Diskin says: "The trial should never have taken place. I sat there during the trial and listened to it and there is nothing to connect him with (the murder)."

She tells the programme that knowing her brother the way she does, he could not be guilty.

"Everyone who knows Barry knows he is gentle and respectful.

"I've never seen anything in him to suggest he could murder someone. To kill you need to be cold - Barry is warm
."
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-58143/Wrong-man-convicted-Dando-killing-says-sister.html


* Michelle Diskin Bates hadn’t seen her brother for 12 years not as reported 2 years.


In other words, and mo, had the health system projected her brother he wouldn’t have gone on to murder!?

WHAT type of man commits sexual offences against women?

WHAT type of man stalks women?

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Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #561 on: April 29, 2019, 11:52:50 AM »

In other words, and mo, had the health system projected her brother he wouldn’t have gone on to murder!?

WHAT type of man commits sexual offences against women?

WHAT type of man stalks women?

“Barry lived alone but there was never anyone to check that he was OK. He should have been monitored," she says.

Asked about her brother's previous convictions, Mrs Diskin says she believes the exposure they have been given and the way they were portrayed had been taken out of context.

"Only these things (have received attention). The views of the people who liked (Barry) have been glossed over. It wasn't in the media's interest to put these things forward," she says.

"Yes, he's made mistakes, but not everyone has their whole life laid out to look at and judge.

"There was a requirement for this case (that the perpetrator) be 'anything but normal'. Society has asked him to pay a price for this and he's paid for it, over and over again," she says.

Describing the past few weeks as "devastating" and "like a nightmare", she says her Christian faith has kept her strong.

Asked how her brother would cope with life in prison, she says: "His faith will sustain him through.
"
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Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #562 on: April 29, 2019, 12:01:09 PM »

“Barry lived alone but there was never anyone to check that he was OK. He should have been monitored," she says.

Asked about her brother's previous convictions, Mrs Diskin says she believes the exposure they have been given and the way they were portrayed had been taken out of context.

"Only these things (have received attention). The views of the people who liked (Barry) have been glossed over. It wasn't in the media's interest to put these things forward," she says.

"Yes, he's made mistakes, but not everyone has their whole life laid out to look at and judge.

"There was a requirement for this case (that the perpetrator) be 'anything but normal'. Society has asked him to pay a price for this and he's paid for it, over and over again," she says.

Describing the past few weeks as "devastating" and "like a nightmare", she says her Christian faith has kept her strong.

Asked how her brother would cope with life in prison, she says: "His faith will sustain him through.
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Interesting psychological projections.

She hadn’t seen him for 12 years therefore she had no idea how his offending behaviour may have escalated over those 12 years .

"There was a requirement for this case (that the perpetrator) be 'anything but normal'. Society has asked him to pay a price for this and he's paid for it, over and over again," she says.

"I've never seen anything in him to suggest he could murder someone. To kill you need to be cold - Barry is warm

What does Michelle Diskin Bates mean by; “Society has asked him to pay a price for this and he’s paid for it over and over? i

William Clegg met Barry George some years after the murder in prison; his client is hardly likely to be thriving.


Barry George's lawyer: How I know he didn't kill Jill Dando - and why most people are capable of murder - April 2019
When William Clegg QC was escorted into a cell in 2006 to meet his next client, he didn’t think much of the “rather pathetic character” he was introduced to.

“But Clegg was convinced from the get-go that his client, an epileptic with learning difficulties, whom he remembers as “very needy man” requiring exhaustive support from his legal team, simply didn’t have the physical or mental wherewithal to have executed a crime with such clinical precision.

After winning his appeal in 2007, Clegg successfully defended George in a retrial the following year, where he persuaded the court that the central piece of evidence against him – a minuscule particle of gunpowder residue found in his coat pocket – was as likely to have come from an extraneous source as the murder weapon.


”It’s one supported by Jill Dando’s brother, Nigel, who told The Telegraph earlier this month that he believes his younger sister was killed by somebody “on the street at that time, who knew where Jill lived and struck lucky on the morning in question”.

“In the age of Netflix, of course, grizzly ‘true crime’ documentaries such as Making a Murderer and The Ted Bundy Tapes have made armchair detectives out of us all. Many of us conceive of murderers as uniquely wicked individuals, destined for evil by their sociopathic tendencies.

Having worked on more than 100 trials, Clegg believes the opposite. “Murder is frequently committed by people who have no previous criminal record, and represents a break down in a domestic setting,” he says, “whether it is the single mother who cannot stop shaking a screaming child, or a partner who hits out.”

Perhaps most unsettlingly of all, Clegg is of the opinion that there are circumstances in which any of us could be driven to kill. "Death is often caused by the most unlikely person. It is something that we are all capable of,” he says. "No one can really know how we would react in such circumstances until they arise.”

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/barry-georges-lawyer-know-didnt-kill-jill-dando-people-capable/


And William Clegg is also hardly likely to admit to having made a mistake about his client Barry George’s guilt. He’s got a book to promote, therefore stirring up contraversary suits his agenda. 
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Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #563 on: April 29, 2019, 02:02:44 PM »

Michelle Diskin Bates 🎀
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No...BBC, these are NOT rape victims until someone is proved guilty of raping them! With the greatest respect they are claimants or accusers until then. Innocent until proven guilty...not half guilty, awaiting a trial! #BBC
Could be my son or daughter.
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1:26 pm · 29 Apr 2019 · Twitter for iPad

or brother  *&^^& which of course she omits  *&^^&


Michelle Diskin Bates 🎀
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NO NO NO...unless trials are not needed when rape is claimed...they are not ATTACKERS either!
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WHAT issues within Barry George’s charactor compelled him to commit serious violent offences against women?
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Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #564 on: April 29, 2019, 02:50:10 PM »

Michelle Diskin Bates 🎀
@Michelle_Diskin
No...BBC, these are NOT rape victims until someone is proved guilty of raping them! With the greatest respect they are claimants or accusers until then. Innocent until proven guilty...not half guilty, awaiting a trial! #BBC
Could be my son or daughter.
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1:26 pm · 29 Apr 2019 · Twitter for iPad

Or brother  *&^^& which of course she omits  *&^^&


Michelle Diskin Bates 🎀
@Michelle_Diskin
NO NO NO...unless trials are not needed when rape is claimed...they are not ATTACKERS either!
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WHAT issues within Barry George’s charactor compelled him to commit serious offences against women?

What, if any, rehabilitation did Barry George receive following his convictions against women?


Criminal spin is a phenomenological model in criminology, depicting the development of criminal behavior. The model refers to those types of behavior that start out as something small and innocent, without malicious or criminal intent and as a result of one situation leading to the next, an almost inevitable chain of reactions triggering counter-reactions is set in motion, culminating in a spin of ever-intensifying criminal behavior. The criminal spin model was developed by Pro. Natti Ronel and his research team in the department of criminology at Bar-Ilan University. It was first presented in 2005 at a Bar-Ilan conference entitled “Appropriate Law Enforcement”.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_spin

Michelle Diskin Bates stated:
“Barry lived alone but there was never anyone to check that he was OK. He should have been monitored,"

(Asked about her brother's previous convictions) Mrs Diskin says she believes the exposure they have been given and the way they were portrayed had been taken out of context.

"Only these things (have received attention). The views of the people who liked (Barry) have been glossed over. It wasn't in the media's interest to put these things forward," she says.



What has been glossed over for 20 years are Barry George’s motivations for committing violent offences against women! And what has been taken out of context are Barry George’s character issues to which motivated him to commit these offences in the first place.


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In an interview for ITV's Tonight With Trevor McDonald, Mrs Diskin derides the police investigation and pours scorn on the health system for not better protecting George.
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Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #565 on: April 29, 2019, 03:20:32 PM »
Jill Dando’s brother says killer was most likely someone who ‘just wanted notoriety
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8950770/jill-dando-killer-wanted-notoriety/

Who just happened to have a sister who may have also just wanted notoriety maybe?
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Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #566 on: April 29, 2019, 03:38:24 PM »

Michelle Diskin Bates 🎀
@Michelle_Diskin
No...BBC, these are NOT rape victims until someone is proved guilty of raping them! With the greatest respect they are claimants or accusers until then. Innocent until proven guilty...not half guilty, awaiting a trial! #BBC
Could be my son or daughter.
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1:26 pm · 29 Apr 2019 · Twitter for iPad

You’d think, especially after highlighting Liam Allen’s case in her book, she’d have some sort of clue by now  *&^^&

Troll exposure blog
“This is a remarkably stupid tweet by the Victims’ Commissioner for London. Why? Because it’s only justice if the allegation is actually true. If the allegation is false and the alleged victim has done nothing wrong then they should not fear any device examination.
Ironically therefore it’s precisely because the likes of the Victims’ Commissioner etc overlooked the problems of false allegations that this need for device examination of complainants has become necessary.
As Liam Allan stated to the Telegraph, anyone who is falsely accused of crimes and subjected to arrest etc as a result is also a victim of crimes against them. Notably the perversion of the course of justice, lying on witness statements for example is a criminal offence akin to perjury.
The need however would not have been necessary had the scale and nature of false allegations been recognized sooner. The “believe the victim” policies that the likes of the Victims’ Commissioner and former DPP’s Starmer and Saunders introduced in the first place are the cause of this fiasco. They created the environment in which false allegations were allowed to flourish

Read more here:
https://trollexposure.wordpress.com/2019/04/29/a-change-for-justice-and-not-a-moment-too-soon/
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Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #567 on: April 29, 2019, 05:04:56 PM »

Barry lived alone but there was never anyone to check that he was OK. He should have been monitored," she says.

Asked about her brother's previous convictions, Mrs Diskin says she believes the exposure they have been given and the way they were portrayed had been taken out of context.

"Only these things (have received attention). The views of the people who liked (Barry) have been glossed over. It wasn't in the media's interest to put these things forward," she says.

"Yes, he's made mistakes, but not everyone has their whole life laid out to look at and judge.

"There was a requirement for this case (that the perpetrator) be 'anything but normal'. Society has asked him to pay a price for this and he's paid for it, over and over again," she says.

Describing the past few weeks as "devastating" and "like a nightmare", she says her Christian faith has kept her strong.

Asked how her brother would cope with life in prison, she says: "His faith will sustain him through.
"

They criticise when he’s being monitored and criticise when he isn’t. What does that tell you?

No mention of this in her book though? Why is that I wonder? She gets the opportunity to tell her version of events but leaves these pertinent points out? Telling, very telling!
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Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #568 on: April 29, 2019, 05:06:11 PM »
Jill Dando’s brother says killer was most likely someone who ‘just wanted notoriety
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8950770/jill-dando-killer-wanted-notoriety/

Who just happened to have a sister who may have also just wanted notoriety maybe?

The brother of murdered BBC presenter Jill Dando has said he will find out who killed her "no matter how long it takes". https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-47779606
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Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #569 on: April 29, 2019, 05:19:01 PM »
They criticise when he’s being monitored and criticise when he isn’t. What does that tell you?

No mention of this in her book though? Why is that I wonder? She gets the opportunity to tell her version of events but leaves these pertinent points out? Telling, very telling!

Here’s another telling excerpt from Michelle Diskin Bates book, “Stand Against Injustice
“Sitting with others in the canteen one morning, I mentioned that I would really like to send a Bible verse to Barry to help keep his spirits up. I knew he had his Bible with him–after all, the media had mocked him enough for carrying it–so I knew he’d be able to look up the references I sent.Be strong and courageous. Do not be afraid or terrified because of them, for the LORD your God goes with you; he will never leave you nor forsake you.” (Deuteronomy 31: 6)
I also sent: “The LORD is my light and my salvation–whom shall I fear? The LORD is the stronghold of my life–of whom shall I be afraid? (Psalm 27: 1) Imagine my surprise when I received a Bible verse back from Barry, one perfectly suited to what I was going through! “May the God of hope fill you will all joy and peace as you trust in him, so that you may overflow with hope by the power of the Holy Spirit.” (Romans 15: 13) I’d underestimated Barry; he knew his Bible better than I’d realised. Of course, he had been studying the Bible in readiness to take his Believer’s Baptism at the time the police arrested him.


Sounds to me like the three eminent professionals also underestimated Barry George!
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