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[Brietta]

I can't remember the details, but maybe the tourist photo wasn't all it was made out to be

We'll never know will we?  CCTV photos of a little English speaking girl at a garage in Morocco in the early days bearing a resemblance to Madeleine weren't checked out until too late ...

How long does it take to cross from Portugal to Morocco by boat?

[jassi]

We'll never know will we?  CCTV photos of a little English speaking girl at a garage in Morocco in the early days bearing a resemblance to Madeleine weren't checked out until too late ...

How long does it take to cross from Portugal to Morocco by boat?

How about you tell me - you seem all-knowing about this

[G-Unit]

As Kate says in her book ...
Snip
Sometimes ‘Madeleine’ has been seen in different countries, thousands of miles apart, on the same day.
These tip-offs needed to be sifted and any credible information followed up.
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What she did not know at time of writing was that Ricardo Paiva was in receipt of information which he filed as irrelevant to the case without bothering to follow leads which should have been followed up.


Portuguese police 'ignored Madeleine McCann leads'
Portuguese police have ignored hundreds of potential new leads in the Madeleine McCann case because of their belief that she is already dead, it has been claimed.

By Fiona Govan in Lisbon
7:30AM GMT 12 Feb 2010

Details of possible sightings from across Europe have been forwarded to Portuguese investigators by local forces but no effort has been made to follow them up.

Kate and Gerry McCann, both 41, learnt of the existence of the dossier of new information, including tips offs, license plate numbers and even photographs of children who could be their daughter, during a court hearing in Lisbon that ended Wednesday.

"They were shocked at what was in it and, even worse, what little had been done to follow any of it up,” said Clarence Mitchell, spokesman for the McCann family.


"Kate and Gerry have consistently known that potential fresh information was not being properly followed up, if at all.”

The potential new leads date from July 2008 when the case was officially shelved by Portuguese police after they failed to find any evidence of the missing girl.

The confidential dossier contains hundreds of statements that could prove useful in solving the mystery of Madeleine’s disappearance from an Algarve holiday apartment on May 3, 2007.

The McCanns’ legal team became aware of the file during court proceedings as part of a libel trial brought by the couple against the former detective, Goncalo Amaral, who led the initial investigation.

The McCanns’ Portuguese lawyer, Isabel Duarte, accused current Algarve police chief Ricardo Paiva of deliberately ignoring the leads because they did not fit in with the theory that Madeleine’s parents were involved in her disappearance.

Last month he appeared in court as a witness in support of former colleague Mr Amaral, who has written a book alleging that the girl died in the holiday apartment and her parents fabricated a tale of abduction after hiding her body.

"Every piece of information (in the dossier of potential new leads) was treated the same way - Ricardo Paiva writes on it 'this is not relevant to the investigation',” Mrs Duarte said from her office in the Portuguese capital on Thursday.

“He believed and to this day still believes that Madeleine is dead. I asked him: ‘How can you find a person when you are not looking for them?’”.

She said some of the leads seemed credible, including a cluster of sightings by independent eye witnesses in northern Italy, and had been forwarded by police forces in the UK, Spain, France and Italy but ignored by their Portuguese counterparts.

Copies of the files would now be passed to the McCanns to be followed up by private investigators hired to search for their daughter.

"But I am angry because it is the Portuguese investigative police who should be doing this job,” Mrs Duarte, added.

"They have the power and capability to do it. It is they who should be doing it not and not my clients."

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/7215353/Portuguese-police-ignored-Madeleine-McCann-leads.html

So did it help or was Paiva correct?

[Anthro]

“Really? Shut the front door! Ding Ding Ding Ding - Sanctimony Level 46 Achieved!
Despite South Africa’s strong constitutional protections for human rights, public confidence in the government’s willingness to tackle human rights violations, corruption and respect for the rule of law has eroded. The government has failed to ensure an estimated half-a-million children with disabilities have access to a quality education. Concerns remain about police brutality, the treatment of migrants, refugees, and asylum seekers, and recurring outbreaks of xenophobia violence. South Africa continues to play an important but inconsistent role in advancing the rights of lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender people. Its commitment to human rights and international justice in its foreign policy practice remains in question” (General)

You are right, we are facing big challenges with all that you’ve mentioned above. Having said that, during the week Mr Zuma, the former president lost his appeal against Mr Hanekom, former minister in the case where Zuma called Hanekom ‘a secret agent of the enemy’. Our judiciary is still untouched by corruption and unethical ways. We are a young democracy and hopefully we are moving in the right direction with Mr Ramaphosa.

I take exception to your reference as me being sanctimonious, though.

[pathfinder73]

Cite please ... or maybe something to support how you arrived at forming your opinion.

[G-Unit]

All those sightings, none of which were memorable.  They distracted the PJ though, and have given Operation Grange something to do.

[Venturi Swirl]

So is the general view among sceptics that missing children should remain anonymous as far as the general public is concerned?

[Lace]

All those sightings, none of which were memorable.  They distracted the PJ though, and have given Operation Grange something to do.

Distracted the PJ?    The public were looking out for Madeleine,  if they thought they saw her they rang the Police.  Do you think that in other cases of missing children there are no sightings?  That the Police haven't had to follow up on the sightings of the public?   That is an excuse for a poor investigation IMO  as well as the 'couldn't have a reconstruction as there were too many tourists'   'couldn't take the McCann's clothes away because it would look bad'   come off it.

[Lace]

As soon as Amaral stated Madeleine had died in 5a,  IMO the Police stopped looking.   

[G-Unit]

Distracted the PJ?    The public were looking out for Madeleine,  if they thought they saw her they rang the Police.  Do you think that in other cases of missing children there are no sightings?  That the Police haven't had to follow up on the sightings of the public?   That is an excuse for a poor investigation IMO  as well as the 'couldn't have a reconstruction as there were too many tourists'   'couldn't take the McCann's clothes away because it would look bad'   come off it.

The PJ were inundated with unlikely sightings of Madeleine even though there was no evidence that she had been taken. Neither they nor any other police force could be expected to follow up on thousands of sightings. It wasn't the PJ who decided not to have a reconstitution or leave Madeleine's clothes with her parents. Pressure was brought to bear on them imo.

[Lace]

The PJ were inundated with unlikely sightings of Madeleine even though there was no evidence that she had been taken. Neither they nor any other police force could be expected to follow up on thousands of sightings. It wasn't the PJ who decided not to have a reconstitution or leave Madeleine's clothes with her parents. Pressure was brought to bear on them imo.

Other Police forces have managed to deal with thousands of sightings.  I don't think pressure was on the Police, other than to find Madeleine.

[jassi]

Other Police forces have managed to deal with thousands of sightings.  I don't think pressure was on the Police, other than to find Madeleine.

Could we have a cite for that, please

[The General]

Distracted the PJ?    The public were looking out for Madeleine,  if they thought they saw her they rang the Police.  Do you think that in other cases of missing children there are no sightings?  That the Police haven't had to follow up on the sightings of the public?   That is an excuse for a poor investigation IMO  as well as the 'couldn't have a reconstruction as there were too many tourists'   'couldn't take the McCann's clothes away because it would look bad'   come off it.

This inundation of data needs filtering, as in any ad-hoc set up in any realm, then sort the wheat from the chaff, then prioritising, then resources allocated. But the initial collation of data is time consuming, the sorting process is fraught with bias / mistakes / oversights, then the prioritising is usually subjective and the resources are scarce / stretched.
How many public appeals are ultimately successful i.e. the child is found alive and well, as a ratio?
What is the usual method of Crimewatch to provide a clear and concise, compelling narrative for the general public to consume? The conduct a dramatisation / reconstruction - it's pretty normal.

[Lace]

This inundation of data needs filtering, as in any ad-hoc set up in any realm, then sort the wheat from the chaff, then prioritising, then resources allocated. But the initial collation of data is time consuming, the sorting process is fraught with bias / mistakes / oversights, then the prioritising is usually subjective and the resources are scarce / stretched.
How many public appeals are ultimately successful i.e. the child is found alive and well, as a ratio?
What is the usual method of Crimewatch to provide a clear and concise, compelling narrative for the general public to consume? The conduct a dramatisation / reconstruction - it's pretty normal.

OG have probably  had many sightings,  they have had to sort the wheat from the chaff too.

Amaral give up as soon as he came to the conclusion that Madeleine died in 5a.-  quote

Many of the sightings were collated by Portuguese cops and stamped “NFA” – No Further Action – as they believed the youngster was dead - compounding the despair of parents Kate and Gerry.

[The General]

OG have probably  had many sightings,  they have had to sort the wheat from the chaff too.

Amaral give up as soon as he came to the conclusion that Madeleine died in 5a.-  quote

Many of the sightings were collated by Portuguese cops and stamped “NFA” – No Further Action – as they believed the youngster was dead - compounding the despair of parents Kate and Gerry.

I'll let you off the hook - show me just one.