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News and current affairs => A look at the news stories currently making the headlines. => Topic started by: Venturi Swirl on March 09, 2021, 06:23:44 PM
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Meanwhile another beautiful young woman goes missing from the centre of London, I do hope she is found soon.
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Meanwhile another beautiful young woman goes missing from the centre of London, I do hope she is found soon.
I don't even want to think about this at the moment. She might never be found.
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I don't even want to think about this at the moment. She might never be found.
The most tragic of all scenarios. While there’s hope let us still hope.
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Meanwhile another beautiful young woman goes missing from the centre of London, I do hope she is found soon.
What point are you making here?
Am I to assume you'd be less concerned if she was neither young nor beautiful?
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The most tragic of all scenarios. While there’s hope let us still hope.
As we should for Madeleine.
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What point are you making here?
Am I to assume you'd be less concerned if she was neither young nor beautiful?
Just don't. I have had enough of you. So stop now.
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Just don't. I have had enough of you. So stop now.
Well, I'd had enough of you several years ago but I've been polite enough not to tell you, thankyou kindly.
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What point are you making here?
Am I to assume you'd be less concerned if she was neither young nor beautiful?
You know where assuming gets you don’t you?
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Anyways.....
I was reading about the case a few days ago & apparently her mobile phone was switched off or cut off following a 15 min phone call with her boyfriend.
Presumably they can pin point the location of her phone when it powered down to within a matter of inches, yet I can't seem to find any reports of where exactly or at what time that occurred.
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Anyways.....
I was reading about the case a few days ago & apparently her mobile phone was switched off or cut off following a 15 min phone call with her boyfriend.
Presumably they can pin point the location of her phone when it powered down to within a matter of inches, yet I can't seem to find any reports of where exactly or at what time that occurred.
Operational secrecy . At this stage police don't need the public to know.
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Not good news. Why do people, men in particular, think they can get away with it these days?...
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9344621/Serving-Met-police-officer-arrested-disappearance-Sarah-Everard-Clapham.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9344621/Serving-Met-police-officer-arrested-disappearance-Sarah-Everard-Clapham.html)
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Not good news. Why do people, men in particular, think they can get away with it these days?...
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9344621/Serving-Met-police-officer-arrested-disappearance-Sarah-Everard-Clapham.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9344621/Serving-Met-police-officer-arrested-disappearance-Sarah-Everard-Clapham.html)
Shocking.
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Not good news. Why do people, men in particular, think they can get away with it these days?...
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9344621/Serving-Met-police-officer-arrested-disappearance-Sarah-Everard-Clapham.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9344621/Serving-Met-police-officer-arrested-disappearance-Sarah-Everard-Clapham.html)
Get away with what?
Do we actually know what happened to her yet?
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Get away with what?
Do we actually know what happened to her yet?
Abduction... murder, what else?
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Abduction... murder, what else?
Well I certainly don't think it's right to be presuming her dead, people might stop looking for her.
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Well I certainly don't think it's right to be presuming her dead, people might stop looking for her.
Well said, even though you meant it facetiously.
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Well said, even though you meant it facetiously.
No, never? Surely not?
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No, never? Surely not?
Don't you start! @)(++(*
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Media reports say that she was recorded by a door bell camera as she passed by.
Just shows how modern day surveillance is much more that street cameras.
Just imagine how useful such technology might have been in PDL back in 2007 had it been around at the time.
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Not good news. Why do people, men in particular, think they can get away with it these days?...
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9344621/Serving-Met-police-officer-arrested-disappearance-Sarah-Everard-Clapham.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9344621/Serving-Met-police-officer-arrested-disappearance-Sarah-Everard-Clapham.html)
I notice a woman has been arrested as well.
Why do women think they can get away with it?! (whatever it is)
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I notice a woman has been arrested as well.
Why do women think they can get away with it?! (whatever it is)
Women don't usually pose much of a threat to other women who are walking home of an evening. If a woman is going to be attacked or kidnapped on her walk home the perpetrator will almost certainly be a man. A woman might help him cover up his crime but the initial act will almost always be carried out by the male of the species. What gives this sort of man the sense that they are entitled to commit these acts I wonder? I would fully expect your reply to be one of victim-blaming, because that would be the typical WUM response. Perhaps you can rise above the impulse to do so on this occasion, or is it outwith your control?
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I notice a woman has been arrested as well.
Why do women think they can get away with it?! (whatever it is)
La La La.
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The guy they have arrested lives in Deal which is a town I know very well indeed, I have relatives who live there. This one is really hard to get one's head around. A married man with kids who is an armed officer responsible for diplomatic security? It all sounds like the plot of a BBC1 primetime drama.
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Women don't usually pose much of a threat to other women who are walking home of an evening. If a woman is going to be attacked or kidnapped on her walk home the perpetrator will almost certainly be a man. A woman might help him cover up his crime but the initial act will almost always be carried out by the male of the species. What gives this sort of man the sense that they are entitled to commit these acts I wonder? I would fully expect your reply to be one of victim-blaming, because that would be the typical WUM response. Perhaps you can rise above the impulse to do so on this occasion, or is it outwith your control?
You're making too many assumptions for someone who believes in the presumption of innocence imo
You're presuming...
1) That she was attacked or kidnapped
2) That the womans only action in the crime was covering it up.
& 3) That the arrested man is guilty.
I haven't seen any evidence supporting this.
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You're making too many assumptions for someone who believes in the presumption of innocence imo
You're presuming...
1) That she was attacked or kidnapped
2) That the womans only action in the crime was covering it up.
& 3) That the arrested man is guilty.
I haven't seen any evidence supporting this.
You're assuming my post was specifically about this case. I suggest you read it again.
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You're assuming my post was specifically about this case. I suggest you read it again.
Well of course, you posted all that on this particular thread because you were talking about something entirely unconnected.
My mistake.
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It doesn't look very good for Sarah, no doubt it will all be revealed what happened to her in due course. The fact that a Met officer of some standing within the force has been arrested shouldn't really surprise us as temptation and greed can affect anyone given the right circumstances.
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Well of course, you posted all that on this particular thread because you were talking about something entirely unconnected.
My mistake.
Yes it was your mistake. My post was a general observation, raised in response to my interest in this case. As yet we don't know exactly what happened, so I remain open-minded, though not optimistic for poor Sarah's chances.
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see the Mail has now got the name & a picture up of this arrested officer. Bit naughty at this stage, I think
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Arrested on suspicion of murder now.
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It's a shame they're not handling this like a German investigation by declaring him guilty already.
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Media reports say that she was recorded by a door bell camera as she passed by.
Just shows how modern day surveillance is much more that street cameras.
Just imagine how useful such technology might have been in PDL back in 2007 had it been around at the time.
That technology definitely gives evidence of Sarah's route and the time when she walked it ~ good on either an informed member of the public who knew what Sarah looked like and what she was wearing either because of police appeals or a police officer doing door to door enquiries as part of his job.
The police in PDL missed one of the few CCTV cameras which might have confirmed a witness sighting ~ and it appears that lack of official publicity may have distracted the witnesses who didn't realise they might have had valuable information until a fortnight after the event. the event.
Technology has progressed but that counts for nothing if it is ignored; it is available and hopefully on this occasion it will enable answers.
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Interesting side issue of indecent exposure. Why raise this at the same time as murder?
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Interesting side issue of indecent exposure. Why raise this at the same time as murder?
Perhaps it only came to light as a result of this investigation?
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It's a shame they're not handling this like a German investigation by declaring him guilty already.
It’s a shame you have nothing sensible to add to the conversation.
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It’s a shame you have nothing sensible to add to the conversation.
Well I thought I made a valid point myself.
The difference in policing methods between the two forces are quite striking.
One has gathered evidence against & has arrested & is questioning their suspect on suspicion.
The other force said "this mans guilty' then did nothing about it.
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Unconfirmed reports that her body has been found.
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Well I thought I made a valid point myself.
The difference in policing methods between the two forces are quite striking.
One has gathered evidence against & has arrested & is questioning their suspect on suspicion.
The other force said "this mans guilty' then did nothing about it.
How about you park your grievances against the German police and bring them up on the relevant thread? Show some respect.
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How about you park your grievances against the German police and bring them up on the relevant thread? Show some respect.
How should I go about showing respect IYO?
Should I be posting thoughts & prayers?
Will that make everything ok?
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How should I go about showing respect IYO?
Should I be posting thoughts & prayers?
Will that make everything ok?
Just not being a complete bellend will suffice, thanks.
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Just not being a complete bellend will suffice, thanks.
Roughly 150,000 people die on planet earth each day, I simply don't have enough time in the day to express my sympathy for all of them.
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Human remains found in the search for Sarah Everard, now confirmed.
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Roughly 150,000 people die on planet earth each day, I simply don't have enough time in the day to express my sympathy for all of them.
I didn’t ask you to express sympathy, just to show some respect, but this is obvious beyond you and just presenting you with another opportunity to troll my posts. Henceforth I am ignoring all posts you make on this thread.
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I'm finding it slightly odd that the police are saying they have found what 'appears to be' human remains....
Either they're incredibly stupid & can't tell a dead animal from a human, or this poor woman's body has been very severely dismembered.
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I'm finding it slightly odd that the police are saying they have found what 'appears to be' human remains....
Either they're incredibly stupid & can't tell a dead animal from a human, or this poor woman's body has been very severely dismembered.
A third option ( unlikely) is that is the remains of a much older body.
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A third option ( unlikely) is that is the remains of a much older body.
I'm speculating that her murderer burnt the body and that is why identification is proving difficult.
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I'm a little curious as to why the suspect has had his name revealed & face splashed across the front pages, yet his accomplice is allowed to retain complete anonymity.
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I'm a little curious as to why the suspect has had his name revealed & face splashed across the front pages, yet his accomplice is allowed to retain complete anonymity.
Which accomplice?
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Which accomplice?
The woman arrested on suspicion of assisting an offender.
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Which accomplice?
His wife/partner who has been arrested under some reason or another
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Assisting an offender is not an accomplice. His wife has been named via Daily Mail with an assumption that it was her who was arrested.
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Assisting an offender is not an accomplice. His wife has been named via Daily Mail with an assumption that it was her who was arrested.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9349787/Sarah-Everard-police-swooped-murder-suspect-Met-officer-CCTV-breakthrough-bus-camera.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9349787/Sarah-Everard-police-swooped-murder-suspect-Met-officer-CCTV-breakthrough-bus-camera.html)
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It's a strange story that's developing. Seen doing something (unspecified) on a bus camera and then being followed for several days before arrest, even though Sarah had not been located, dead or alive.
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I'm speculating that her murderer burnt the body and that is why identification is proving difficult.
I'm speculating the same.
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"followed for several days" - source please
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Okay, who's going to bring up the "He can't half sue them if they are wrong."
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Okay, who's going to bring up the "He can't half sue them if they are wrong."
They’d better be right or they are going to look more than a little incompetent. I would imagine they wouldn’t arrest one of their own unless they had very very good grounds for suspicion.
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“A Met police officer arrested after the disappearance of Sarah Everard was taken to hospital with a head injury he suffered while in custody”.
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"followed for several days" - source please
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9349787/Sarah-Everard-police-swooped-murder-suspect-Met-officer-CCTV-breakthrough-bus-camera.html
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“A Met police officer arrested after the disappearance of Sarah Everard was taken to hospital with a head injury he suffered while in custody”.
Oh My God, Police Brutality.
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Oh My God, Police Brutality.
I can hear certain people tuning up the violins already...
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"Police sources have suggested that plain clothes detectives may have been secretly monitoring the suspect's movements for days" - ie conjecuture
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" The policeman arrested on suspicion of killing Sarah Everard was watched for days by armed undercover detectives while he worked at the US Embassy and is believed to have been allowed to keep his gun 'in case he twigged', a source told MailOnline today. "
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“Couzens was found yesterday evening and paramedics were called. The incident happened around 8 pm last night.
He was in a cell on his own and there is no suggestion anyone else was involved”.
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I can hear certain people tuning up the violins already...
Believe me when I say I'm trying, but I think this one might be beyond me.
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Now there is to be some sort of inquiry into how the Met handled the indecent exposure claim .
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/mar/11/sarah-everard-suspect-met-accused-failures-alleged-indecent-exposure
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I notice ghastly labour MP Jess Phillips read out a list of 120 women killed by men in 2020.
I'd venture that the majority of these cases were domestic violence between partners & not 120 night stalking men prowling the streets, but she fails to make a distinction.
Besides that, 120 is a very small figure compared to the 1600 people killed in road traffic accidents in the same year.
So when will she be condemning cars & reading the list of 1600 people killed by them. Which, in terms of amount of fatalities is a far more pressing issue imo.
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Further more, everyone's favourite muslim Sadiq Khan has leapt on the bandwagon by saying London's streets aren't safe for women.
Given the ever increasing amount of knife crime in his great city, it seems to me the streets he manages aren't all that safe for men either.
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Well the pooh is going to hit the fan big time if it turns out that the Met could have arrested him earlier re the indecent exposure allegation.
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Well the pooh is going to hit the fan big time if it turns out that the Met could have arrested him earlier re the indecent exposure allegation.
This could have been covered up so I guess we should be thankful that it hasn't and let's hope it is thoroughly and properly investigated.
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I'm not sure what it says about the perception of the Met when we "should be thankful" that there has not been a cover up. The default position, by any measure, is not to cover up.
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I'm not sure what it says about the perception of the Met when we "should be thankful" that there has not been a cover up. The default position, by any measure, is not to cover up.
It seems to me the perception of the Met and British police in general (on this forum anyway) is not a particularly favourable one. There certainly is a type of poster on here who seems to be of the view that the Met in particular are quite bent, don't investigate crimes properly and are willing to collude in cover ups.
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It seems to me the perception of the Met and British police in general (on this forum anyway) is not a particularly favourable one. There certainly is a type of poster on here who seems to be of the view that the Met in particular are quite bent, don't investigate crimes properly and are willing to collude in cover ups.
With most large organisations, it only takes one or two incidents to give the entire force a bad name.
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Well the pooh is going to hit the fan big time if it turns out that the Met could have arrested him earlier re the indecent exposure allegation.
The police have a reputation for covering up for their own.
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The police have a reputation for covering up for their own.
This latest development will hopefully show that this reputation (deserved or not) has been recognised and is being addressed.
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I notice ghastly labour MP Jess Phillips read out a list of 120 women killed by men in 2020.
I'd venture that the majority of these cases were domestic violence between partners & not 120 night stalking men prowling the streets, but she fails to make a distinction.
Besides that, 120 is a very small figure compared to the 1600 people killed in road traffic accidents in the same year.
So when will she be condemning cars & reading the list of 1600 people killed by them. Which, in terms of amount of fatalities is a far more pressing issue imo.
That 120 women have been murdered by men in the last 12 months is ghastly. I listened yesterday as Jess Phillips read out all the victim's names in Parliament.
Domestic violence or not, a man has NO RIGHT TO ASSAULT A WOMAN under any circumstances. To do so is the mark of the coward and should be dealt with by the full force of the law.
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That 120 women have been murdered by men in the last 12 months is ghastly. I listened yesterday as Jess Phillips read out all the victim's names in Parliament.
Domestic violence or not, a man has NO RIGHT TO ASSAULT A WOMAN under any circumstances. To do so is the mark of the coward and should be dealt with by the full force of the law.
Of course, but that's after the event. prevention will be much more difficult.
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Of course, but that's after the event. prevention will be much more difficult.
Teaching men to respect women in the first place is the hard bit. I genuinely thought the younger generation of boys and young men were more enlightened these days but I know from personal experience that this is not always the case. 24/7 easy access to hardcore porn of the rapey variety probably doesn't help matters tbh.
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Of course, but that's after the event. prevention will be much more difficult.
I used to love P.E but I hated maths & I can't recall my 'don't abduct rape & murder people' lessons back in primary school, but I assume there were some as I've managed not to do it so far.
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I have been trying to work out why a respected and highly trained police office would (allegedly) abduct a woman so far from his home, in public using a car with tracable plates. (with all of their background knowledge re CCTV, ANPR, cell sight analysis etc) but the allegation re indecent exposure in a restaurant a few days earlier provides a clue. Clearly "on the edge" knowing deep down that he would be traced. My understanding was that firearm officers regularly go through tests to ensure they are fit (in every way) for this role.
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I have been trying to work out why a respected and highly trained police office would (allegedly) abduct a woman so far from his home, in public using a car with tracable plates. (with all of their background knowledge re CCTV, ANPR, cell sight analysis etc) but the allegation re indecent exposure in a restaurant a few days earlier provides a clue. Clearly "on the edge" knowing deep down that he would be traced. My understanding was that firearm officers regularly go through tests to ensure they are fit (in every way) for this role.
If what we have heard is correct in that he was a flasher then he must have mental health issues. Who knows what could have triggered this but at the end of the day poor Sarah paid an awful price for this guy's shortcomings.
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I think thats a fair commemt re mental health but, if true, what are the wider ramifications of our armed police?
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This is a disturbing case. It has been reported by a neighbour near his home in Deal that there was a range rover parked outside his house with two men in from 5.00pm on the night of his arrest 9 March 2021. Then when he returned home at 8.00pm after finishing his shift they stormed the house with over 20 police who had been out of sight around the corner.
It is also been reported that they had already began searching the woods at Ashford before he was arrested and the remains were found the following day 10 March 2021. Considering Ashford is 50 miles South West of where Sarah disappeared and 30 miles west of his home at Deal, it is interesting why these woods became of interest to the police so early.
At the same time he was arrested so was a woman at the house who was arrested on suspicion of assisting an offender which again is unusual so early in the proceeding. She has now been released on bail. If they were already onto him and had been tracking his movements then perhaps he returned to the woods while under surveillance.
It would appear the police are confident they have their man and are not releasing any details to the public.
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This is a disturbing case. It has been reported by a neighbour near his home in Deal that there was a range rover parked outside his house with two men in from 5.00pm on the night of his arrest 9 March 2021. Then when he returned home at 8.00pm after finishing his shift they stormed the house with over 20 police who had been out of sight around the corner.
It is also been reported that they had already began searching the woods at Ashford before he was arrested and the remains were found the following day 10 March 2021. Considering Ashford is 50 miles South West of where Sarah disappeared and 30 miles west of his home at Deal, it is interesting why these woods became of interest to the police so early.
At the same time he was arrested so was a woman at the house who was arrested on suspicion of assisting an offender which again is unusual so early in the proceeding. She has now been released on bail. If they were already onto him and had been tracking his movements then perhaps he returned to the woods while under surveillance.
It would appear the police are confident they have their man and are not releasing any details to the public.
What really disturbs me is that it appears an attempt was made to destroy the body and that is why identification is taking so long. My guess is that the woman released informed on him. The whole thing is truly appalling.
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If what we have heard is correct in that he was a flasher then he must have mental health issues. Who knows what could have triggered this but at the end of the day poor Sarah paid an awful price for this guy's shortcomings.
It is still an extreme escalation from being a flasher to a murderer over a few days. I just hope he hasn't done this before.
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What really disturbs me is that it appears an attempt was made to destroy the body and that is why identification is taking so long. My guess is that the woman released informed on him. The whole thing is truly appalling.
Possibly but the woods were already being searched before they were arrested. She was also arrested on suspicion of assisting an offender very early on which indicates they had grounds for suspicion. Also he would be forensically aware.
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The time line (as with all cases) is fascinating but "it is reported" is surely a red flag. For example, I would hope that undercover cops have more skills rather than parking outside the suspects house. It could have been two workman having a break for all we know. "Evidence" from "nosy neighbours via the media has a huge question mark over it.
The size of area searched would perhaps indicate cell site analys and this confirms my point I made earlier. If he visited the area of disposal with a tracable plate and/or a tracable mobile phone turned on, with his background knowledge, he knew he would be caught and relatively quickly.
Its a cliche but perhaps part of him wanted to be caught. It's early days but horrific to think of the same situation with false plates and phone turned off.
PS Geordie, I agree re extreme escalation but we should not assume he planned a murder when leaving work. He could have lured her into the car on the spur of the moment with further indecent exposure planned but she "fought him off" and he panicked.
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The time line (as with all cases) is fascinating but "it is reported" is surely a red flag. For example, I would hope that undercover cops have more skills rather than parking outside the suspects house. It could have been two workman having a break for all we know. "Evidence" from "nosy neighbours via the media has a huge question mark over it.
The size of area searched would perhaps indicate cell site analys and this confirms my point I made earlier. If he visited the area of disposal with a tracable plate and/or a tracable mobile phone turned on, with his background knowledge, he knew he would be caught and relatively quickly.
Its a cliche but perhaps part of him wanted to be caught. It's early days but horrific to think of the same situation with false plates and phone turned off.
Yes I can appreciate the comment of a nosey neighbour but his neighbours have also reported that the police are digging up his back garden. The police are also investigating whether he used his warrant card to lure her into his car under a false sense of safety.
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PS Geordie, I agree re extreme escalation but we should not assume he planned a murder when leaving work. He could have lured her into the car on the spur of the moment with further indecent exposure planned but she "fought him off" and he panicked.
There is a clip online from CCTV that is claimed shows someone with long hair trying to escape from the back of a car while it was stopped at traffic lights but the driver pulls her back. Personally, I have viewed this clip several times but can't confirm what has been claimed. There is a white van behind it so if it is relevant then you would expect the van driver to have seen something and he has/will come forward. However, there is mobile CCTV from a bus which does appear significant in identifying him but obviously I've not seen that.
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The time line (as with all cases) is fascinating but "it is reported" is surely a red flag. For example, I would hope that undercover cops have more skills rather than parking outside the suspects house. It could have been two workman having a break for all we know. "Evidence" from "nosy neighbours via the media has a huge question mark over it.
The size of area searched would perhaps indicate cell site analys and this confirms my point I made earlier. If he visited the area of disposal with a tracable plate and/or a tracable mobile phone turned on, with his background knowledge, he knew he would be caught and relatively quickly.
Its a cliche but perhaps part of him wanted to be caught. It's early days but horrific to think of the same situation with false plates and phone turned off.
PS Geordie, I agree re extreme escalation but we should not assume he planned a murder when leaving work. He could have lured her into the car on the spur of the moment with further indecent exposure planned but she "fought him off" and he panicked.
Yep that scenario is the one that makes most sense to me. The abductor acted on impulse without really thinking through the consequences of his actions. Once he realised he could be id'ed by the victim he had to kill her. It's not an uncommon scenario, sadly.
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Yep that scenario is the one that makes most sense to me. The abductor acted on impulse without really thinking through the consequences of his actions. Once he realised he could be id'ed by the victim he had to kill her. It's not an uncommon scenario, sadly.
Which could indicate that he returned to Ashford woods at a later time to destroy the remains and he was being tracked. He would be forensically aware and if he had killed on impulse he would be aware that he could be identified from the body. I suppose it will all come out in the wash.
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Use of the ID card to get her in the car makes perfect sense in one way. By all accounts, she was a mature and responsible person. She would not just get into any persons car and yet, there is no evidence of struggle etc. However, by defintion, use of the card identifies him as the perpetrater. So he either wanted to be caught (as previously mentioned) or, contrary to my previous post, he had already decided should would never be a witness.
Not everyone would even know about a warrant/ID card. A police coat and hat could still do the job of making her feel secure.
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Human remains have been confirmed as hers.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-56371163#:~:text=Human%20remains%20that%20were%20found,have%20been%20confirmed%20as%20hers.
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Use of the ID card to get her in the car makes perfect sense in one way. By all accounts, she was a mature and responsible person. She would not just get into any persons car and yet, there is no evidence of struggle etc. However, by defintion, use of the card identifies him as the perpetrater. So he either wanted to be caught (as previously mentioned) or, contrary to my previous post, he had already decided should would never be a witness.
Not everyone would even know about a warrant/ID card. A police coat and hat could still do the job of making her feel secure.
The third option is as I suggested - he acted on impulse without considering the implications until later on. A bit thick in other words.
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Human remains have been confirmed as hers.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-56371163#:~:text=Human%20remains%20that%20were%20found,have%20been%20confirmed%20as%20hers.
That's sad. RIP Sarah.
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Use of the ID card to get her in the car makes perfect sense in one way. By all accounts, she was a mature and responsible person. She would not just get into any persons car and yet, there is no evidence of struggle etc. However, by defintion, use of the card identifies him as the perpetrater. So he either wanted to be caught (as previously mentioned) or, contrary to my previous post, he had already decided should would never be a witness.
Not everyone would even know about a warrant/ID card. A police coat and hat could still do the job of making her feel secure.
I wonder if she knew this cop?
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I wonder if she knew this cop?
According to the Times
"Sarah Everard was lured off the street and had no connection with whoever abducted her, detectives believe.
Police sources have told The Times that the investigation is being treated as a “stranger attack”.
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According to the Times
"Sarah Everard was lured off the street and had no connection with whoever abducted her, detectives believe.
Police sources have told The Times that the investigation is being treated as a “stranger attack”.
The question is still valid, did Sarah know her killer?
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The question is still valid, did Sarah know her killer?
Highly unlikely IMO.
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Another aspect of this. Is there not a conflict of interests with the Met as both the employer of the suspect and the investigator re the murder. I may have missed something here. Is another force coming in to to oversee/check the investigation? Especailly in view of the news that the Met has referred itself to to the IOPC.
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He wasn't a beat bobby or a traffic cop but on the armed Diplomatic Protection unit. I think that day he had been on duty at a nearby Embassy about 3 miles away but was off duty when she was taken. As Sarah was from York originally and he lived in Deal (Kent), I doubt they had social contact. Using his warrant card is more realistic.
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He wasn't a beat bobby or a traffic cop but on the armed Diplomatic Protection unit. I think that day he had been on duty at a nearby Embassy about 3 miles away but was off duty when she was taken. As Sarah was from York originally and he lived in Deal (Kent), I doubt they had social contact. Using his warrant card is more realistic.
Except that they might have belonged to the same gym or something similar.
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I suppose police now need to tie him conclusively to the body and then charge him.
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I assume the car will be crucial re forensic evidence. A real challenge considering his job and, therefore, knowledge of how best to forensically clean the car and the time window he had. The satnav history will be crucial. Looked like a newish car so more likely a built in model rather than old type.
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I assume the car will be crucial re forensic evidence. A real challenge considering his job and, therefore, knowledge of how best to forensically clean the car and the time window he had. The satnav history will be crucial. Looked like a newish car so more likely a built in model rather than old type.
Do built-in ones function all the time even when not required?
I only have old TomTom which I switch on as & when I need it.
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They vary, modern cars carry much more information than the older ones. the black estate seized by the Police looks like a SEAT Exeo. Its not a fully integrated system so it could be removed and binned.
PS looks like the Police are now formally searching the old family garage premises in Dover. The body has been found and they have the 2 cars and searched the house. I'm wondering if they are being 100% thorough or is there something specific they are looking for.
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An alternative is that they haven't got the evidence they were expecting.
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The garage location is more useful if you want to go back and retrieve something. If you want to dispose of evidence forever, then NOT the garage. We mentioned "escalation" but, on consideration, that assumes that he has not committed other previous crimes.
PS there seems to be some confusion on social media (not helped by poor reporting) re the indecent exposure allegation. Was the allegation directly at him (ie was he identified at that time) or was there an allegation against an unidentified male with an ongoing investigation and he was identified during the kidnap investigation?
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The garage location is more useful if you want to go back and retrieve something. If you want to dispose of evidence forever, then NOT the garage. We mentioned "escalation" but, on consideration, that assumes that he has not committed other previous crimes.
PS there seems to be some confusion on social media (not helped by poor reporting) re the indecent exposure allegation. Was the allegation directly at him (ie was he identified at that time) or was there an allegation against an unidentified male with an ongoing investigation and he was identified during the kidnap investigation?
As it was reported as a drive-in venue, presumably the company would have recorded the car number plate.
Not very clever for a policemen.
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Yes but was he allowed to carry on working with an indecent exposure allegation against him or had he still to be indentified at the time of the kidnapping? Clear as mud from the media
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Yes but was he allowed to carry on working with an indecent exposure allegation against him or had he still to be indentified at the time of the kidnapping? Clear as mud from the media
yes, and the fact that 2 officers dealing with the incident have been reported to the police complaints doesn't help, either.
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As it was reported as a drive-in venue, presumably the company would have recorded the car number plate.
Not very clever for a policemen.
I don’t think he’s the sharpest knife in the drawer.
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They vary, modern cars carry much more information than the older ones. the black estate seized by the Police looks like a SEAT Exeo. Its not a fully integrated system so it could be removed and binned.
It is being claimed that a hire car was used in the abduction of Sarah and the same car was recorded on a motorists dashcam and then later tracked using VNP software on the route that was taken. This would involve possible photographs being taken along the route.
This would correlate to a clip on CCTV in which is was claimed showed a person with long hair trying to exit a car from the rear seat at traffic lights. It was certainly not a black car, possibly silver/grey. Unfortunately if Sarah was sat in the rear seat of the hire car she may not show up on traffic cameras.
I expect the police have seized this vehicle.
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Yes but was he allowed to carry on working with an indecent exposure allegation against him or had he still to be indentified at the time of the kidnapping? Clear as mud from the media
Not sure about that but it is being reported that a team of detectives had him under surveillance some days before the arrest in the hope that he would lead them inadvertently to Sarah alive or her remains. Rather than arouse the suspects suspicions that they were onto him, he was allowed to continue to work as an armed officer.
Under those circumstances it would seem likely that the rest of his armed team were told to observe him, for his own safety and members of the public.
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Charged.
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Charged.
I was just about to ask if anyone was sure he had done it.
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Yes he has been charged with murder.
Now that he has been charged it could be difficult for in UK make comment until the trial over, or we can be charged with contempt. Different in America I know.
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Yes he has been charged with murder.
Now that he has been charged it could be difficult for in UK make comment until the trial over, or we can be charged with contempt. Different in America I know.
Just have a care about what you say. At the moment he is Innocent Until Proven Guilty.
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He seems determined to injure himself, so he'll need watching if they want to try him. I'm wondering if there's more to be found out about this man.
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He seems determined to injure himself, so he'll need watching if they want to try him. I'm wondering if there's more to be found out about this man.
Of course there’s more to be found out about him, what an odd observation. imo
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Of course there’s more to be found out about him, what an odd observation. imo
Of course there’s more to be found out about him
How do you know - another odd observation. G was only wondering you seem certain.
Well, it just goes to show you can't judge a book by its cover - him being a police officer working for the met etc.
shows anyone can be capable of horrendous crimes to save their own skin.IMO
Hopefully, his wife won't be involved in any way for the kid's sake.
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Of course there’s more to be found out about him
How do you know - another odd observation. G was only wondering you seem certain.
Well, it just goes to show you can't judge a book by its cover - him being a police officer working for the met etc.
shows anyone can be capable of horrendous crimes to save their own skin.IMO
Hopefully, his wife won't be involved in any way for the kid's sake.
Do you think we already know all there is to know about him then? Like his motive, his movements that night, whether or not he's pleading guilty, what's going on with his head injury, whether or not he can be linked to any other crimes etc? It seems to me a complete no brainer that there is more to know about this man, what drove him to commit this crime, his history and character, etc
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Do you think we already know all there is to know about him then? Like his motive, his movements that night, whether or not he's pleading guilty, what's going on with his head injury, whether or not he can be linked to any other crimes etc? It seems to me a complete no brainer that there is more to know about this man, what drove him to commit this crime, his history and character, etc
OK, you go on speculating instead of waiting to find out.
What we do know I believe is - he likes nutting walls.
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OK, you go on speculating instead of waiting to find out.
What we do know I believe is - he likes nutting walls.
What on earth are you talking about? You accuse ME of speculating (I wasn’t);then do some speculating of your own! Hilarious!
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What on earth are you talking about? You accuse ME of speculating (I wasn’t);then do some speculating of your own! Hilarious!
How do you think he got his head injuries.
I'm not speculating but can't divulge my source.
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How do you think he got his head injuries.
I'm not speculating but can't divulge my source.
If you can't divulge your source then you shouldn't suggest that you have one.
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How do you think he got his head injuries.
I'm not speculating but can't divulge my source.
@)(++(*
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If you can't divulge your source then you shouldn't suggest that you have one.
I would suggest that the source in question is a red top.
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I would suggest that the source in question is a red top.
Not at all or I would have shown it - you're just speculating again.
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Not at all or I would have shown it - you're just speculating again.
And you're pretending you know more about this man and what has been going on in his prison cell than anyone else on this thread which I think is a bit sad really.
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And you're pretending you know more about this man and what has been going on in his prison cell than anyone else on this thread which I think is a bit sad really.
Speculating again VS that is what you call sad.
I'm not pretending anything
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Speculating again VS that is what you call sad.
I'm not pretending anything
There is nothing sadder than some anonymous being on the internet claiming insider knowledge on something that they then refuse to elaborate on or are unable to verify. We can all play that game. You started off by saying you "believed" Couzens had "nutted the walls", then you claimed this was not speculation but that you had inside sources. Are you suggesting that someone within the police or prison service has leaked this information to you directly, or have you had direct contact with the suspect or members of his family or friendship group?
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Police now searching an area in Sandwich, Kent. New offence(s) discovered or part of the Sarah E case? The former IMHO.
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There is nothing sadder than some anonymous being on the internet claiming insider knowledge on something that they then refuse to elaborate on or are unable to verify. We can all play that game. You started off by saying you "believed" Couzens had "nutted the walls", then you claimed this was not speculation but that you had inside sources. Are you suggesting that someone within the police or prison service has leaked this information to you directly, or have you had direct contact with the suspect or members of his family or friendship group?
To be fair VS I did read he was in some kind of bother and head butted a wall before. I will try and find the source.
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To be fair VS I did read he was in some kind of bother and head butted a wall before. I will try and find the source.
Exactly, you read it somewhere as we all did, no need to claim special “sauces” as Kizzy did.
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Meanwhile another beautiful young woman goes missing from the centre of London, I do hope she is found soon.
why refer to her as "beautiful" what's that got to do with anything?!
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why refer to her as "beautiful" what's that got to do with anything?!
I know right.
I pointed this out too.
Missing, murdered ugly old men don't get any sympathy.
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Woman arrested in Sarah Everard case has bail extended
Woman in her 30s was arrested on suspicion of assisting an offender in connection with Everard’s death
A woman arrested in connection with the abduction and death of Sarah Everard has had her bail extended.
Scotland Yard said a woman in her 30s who was arrested on suspicion of assisting an offender, had originally been released on bail to return to a police station on a date in mid-April. She has now been further bailed to return on a date in early June, the force said.
Everard went missing on 3 March while walking home after visiting a friend in Clapham, south-west London. The 33-year-old’s body was found hidden in an area of woodland near Ashford in Kent a week later on 10 March.
A serving Metropolitan police officer, 48-year-old Wayne Couzens from Deal in Kent, has been charged with her kidnap and murder. A provisional date has been set for his trial at the Old Bailey for 25 October, with a plea hearing on 9 July. The woman was arrested at the same time as Couzens.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/apr/16/woman-arrested-sarah-everard-case-bail-extended
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I know right.
I pointed this out too.
Missing, murdered ugly old men don't get any sympathy.
They would too name one...
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Sarah Everard: Met Police still don’t know cause of death more than six weeks on
Efforts are still ongoing to establish how the 'bright and beautiful' 33-year-old died
https://www.mylondon.news/news/south-london-news/sarah-everard-met-police-still-20442673
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Another lovely lady murdered, her body found a just a short distance from my parent’s home (as was Sarah Everard’s). This time the victim was a policewoman. Julia James, a married mother or two and grandmother. Will it turn out that her murderer was another woman? Highly unlikely I would say.
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Another lovely lady murdered, her body found a just a short distance from my parent’s home (as was Sarah Everard’s). This time the victim was a policewoman. Julia James, a married mother or two and grandmother. Will it turn out that her murderer was another woman? Highly unlikely I would say.
It will be interesting to see if random people who never knew the woman will hold a violent, illegal vigil & street protests in support of her.
Or maybe her connection to law enforcement will mean she doesn't qualify for the same level of public outrage.
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It will be interesting to see if random people who never knew the woman will hold a violent, illegal vigil & street protests in support of her.
Or maybe her connection to law enforcement will mean she doesn't qualify for the same level of public outrage.
Unlikely in a little Kentish village tbh.
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Media reports say that she was recorded by a door bell camera as she passed by.
Just shows how modern day surveillance is much more that street cameras.
Just imagine how useful such technology might have been in PDL back in 2007 had it been around at the time.
It was, but despite media rumours, nothing of significance was recorded - or had been retained by the time Amaral got people to check. The other CCTV cameras were on the blink.
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I'm not sure what it says about the perception of the Met when we "should be thankful" that there has not been a cover up. The default position, by any measure, is not to cover up.
In theory...
The thin blue line isn't limited to the US.
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I used to love P.E but I hated maths & I can't recall my 'don't abduct rape & murder people' lessons back in primary school, but I assume there were some as I've managed not to do it so far.
Congratulations.
A long shot, but there might just be a human well hidden inside your shock-jock persona.
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If what we have heard is correct in that he was a flasher then he must have mental health issues. Who knows what could have triggered this but at the end of the day poor Sarah paid an awful price for this guy's shortcomings.
Poor Sarah didn't deserve to have her life snuffed out.
Concerning the cop, he still hasn't been tried. However unlikely it might seem based on media reports, it could turn out that it wasn't him after all.
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Couzens has plead guilty to charges of kidnapping and rape. Hasn't entered a plea on the murder charge. Wonder what kind of strategy his defense team are trying here?
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/jun/08/pc-wayne-couzens-pleads-guilty-to-kidnap-and-of-sarah-everard
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Couzens has plead guilty to charges of kidnapping and rape. Hasn't entered a plea on the murder charge. Wonder what kind of strategy his defense team are trying here?
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/jun/08/pc-wayne-couzens-pleads-guilty-to-kidnap-and-of-sarah-everard
From the Times:
Wayne Couzens, 48, a diplomatic protection officer, also admits responsibility for her killing but has not been arraigned pending medical reports, the Old Bailey was told.
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From the Times:
Wayne Couzens, 48, a diplomatic protection officer, also admits responsibility for her killing but has not been arraigned pending medical reports, the Old Bailey was told.
Has there been any further mention of his wife being involved in some way?
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Has there been any further mention of his wife being involved in some way?
She is not being charged.
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Sarah Everard murder: Former Metropolitan Police officer Wayne Couzens 'arrested' Sarah for lockdown breach before her murder
Wayne Couzens arrested and handcuffed Sarah Everard before he raped and murdered her, a court has heard.
The Old Bailey heard Couzens, who was off duty, posed as an undercover police officer when he "hunted for a lone young female to rape and kidnap."
Couzens is at the court today to recieve his sentence after he admitted kidnapping, raping and killing the 33-year-old marketing executive at two Old Bailey appearances in June and July.
Couzens snatched Sarah from the street as she walked in south London in early March.
Her body was discovered a week later more than 80 miles away in Great Chart, near Ashford. A post mortem report revealed she had been strangled.
He will be sentenced tomorrow.
Prosecutor Tom Little QC said it was one of the most widley publicised cases, spurring the hashtag “she was just walking home.”
But he said a more fitting five-word summary would be “deception, kidnap, rape, strangulation, fire.”
Miss Everard had breached Covid protocol by visiting a friend for dinner and wine, making her “more vulnerable” for Couzens to prey upon, explained the prosecutor.
Couzens likely used lockdown rules as an excuse to stop her, handcuff her, then drive her 80 miles where he raped, strangled and burned her body.
Mr Little said: "The defendant's plot of land is very close to, and in the same woods, where he was to burn Sarah Everard's body after he murdered her.
"He then moved her body in green bags that he had purchased specifically for that task to a pond deeper into the woods, it was only about 130 metres from his plot."
Eye-witnesses saw Couzens “detaining Sarah by fraud” using his warrant card and handcuffs, he added.
“That was the start of the ordeal, the 80-mile journey whilst detained which was to lead first to her rape and then her murder.
“At some point fairly soon after driving from the pavement onto the South Circular and having not gone to a police station, Sarah Everard must have realised her fate,” he explained.
Miss Everard's boyfriend described her as “extremely intelligent, savvy and streetwise” and “not a gullible person”. He said she would not have got into a vehicle with a stranger unless she was forced.
CCTV and data from Couzen’s mobile phone captured the journey towards Kent, with the hire car stopping near Military Road, Dover at about 11.30pm.
About five minutes later Couzen’s Seat was captured on camera leaving the area towards rural villages, before returning to Dover about an hour later.
Mr Little said it is likely this is when Couzens raped Miss Everard.
Couzens then stopped at BP Dover South Services on Limekilm Street and bought two bottles of water, apple juice, Lucozade orange and a carrier bag.
It was “more than likely” Miss Everard was murdered by then Mr Little explained, adding: “To have left her alive even in the boot of the Seat, would have been “risky or foolhardy if she made any noise.”
The court heard Couzens the next day bought a hot chocolate and cake at Costa, then casually made a call to a vet to book an appointment for his dog.
Meanwhile, shortly after noon an eye-witness saw “a strong, intense flame, which was not particularly high, which did not have the appearance of a typical woodland fire,” explained Mr Little.
“This is consistent with the location where the defendant burnt Miss Everard’s body, clothing and possessions using the petrol he purchased earlier that day.”
Couzens took his wife and children to the same woods days after, then went back to burn Miss Everard’s body. He returned again to hide it, the court heard.
“The defendant took his family to the very area, allowing his children to play in close proximity where Sarah Everard’s body had been dumped, in the pond,” Mr Little said.
Leading up to the family visit, Couzens bought builders’ bags from B&Q in Dover, alongside tarpaulin and a bungee cargo net from Amazon, for next day delivery.
As publicity for Miss Everard’s disappearance intensified, officers were able to trace the hire vehicle with CCTV.
Couzens had rented the Vauxhall Crossland from Enterprise Rent-a-Car in Dover for the night Miss Everard vanished, records showed.
The revelation led detectives to his home in Freemen’s Way, Deal, on March 9, but they didn’t approach for two hours.
It would give Couzens the chance to reset his Galaxy Note 10 to factory settings in the first step of an elaborate ploy to deceive Scotland Yard.
When officers arrested Couzens he denied knowing Miss Everard however, asked if he knew her whereabouts, he said he was “in financial ****.”
The court heard Couzens claimed he had been “leant on” by a gang, which threatened his family, to kidnap and hand them girls.
Couzens has not reacted to any of the shocking revelations as they are heard in court. He's been sat wearing a mask with his head own and only spoke to confirm his name.
https://www.kentonline.co.uk/deal/news/couzens-arrested-and-handcuffed-everard-before-murder-254807/
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This literally makes me feel sick. I know I’m not supposed to care and I shouldn’t be sad or angry about it cos I didn’t know her but I do and I am on both counts. What a disgusting piece of lowlife s..m, I hope he rots in prison for the rest of his life.
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Susan Everard, mother, said:
“Sarah is gone and I am broken hearted. She was my precious little girl, our youngest child. The feeling of loss is so great it is visceral. And with the sorrow come waves of panic at not being able to see her again. I can never talk to her, never hold her again, and never more be a part of her life. We have kept her dressing gown - it still smells of her and I hug that instead of her.
Sarah died in horrendous circumstances. I am tormented at the thought of what she endured. I play it out in my mind. I go through the terrible sequence of events. I wonder when she realized she was in mortal danger; I wonder what her murderer said to her. When he strangled her, for how long was she conscious, knowing she would die? It is torture to think of it.
Sarah was handcuffed, unable to defend herself and there was no one to rescue her. She spent her last hours on this earth with the very worst of humanity. She lost her life because Wayne Couzens wanted to satisfy his perverted desires. It is a ridiculous reason, it is nonsensical; how could he value a human life so cheaply? I cannot comprehend it. I am incandescent with rage at the thought of it.
He treated my daughter as if she was nothing and disposed of her as if she was rubbish.
If Sarah had died because of an illness, she would have been cared for. We could have looked after her and been with her. If she had died because of an accident, people would have tried to help - there would have been kindness. But there is no comfort to be had, there is no consoling thought in the way Sarah died. In her last hours she was faced with brutality and terror, alone with someone intent on doing her harm. The thought of it is unbearable. I am haunted by the horror of it.
When Sarah went missing we suffered days of agony, not knowing where she was or what had happened to her. Then, when Sarah’s burnt remains were found, we spent two terrible days waiting for tests to show how she had died, fearing she had been set alight before she was dead - the thought was appalling.
Burning her body was the final insult, it meant we could never again see her sweet face and never say goodbye.
Our lives will never be the same. We should be a family of five, but now we are four. Her death leaves a yawning chasm in our lives that cannot be filled.
I yearn for her. I remember all the lovely things about her: she was caring, she was funny. She was clever, but she was good at practical things too. She was a beautiful dancer. She was a wonderful daughter. She was always there to listen, to advise, or simply to share with the minutiae of the day. And she was also a strongly principled young woman who knew right from wrong and who lived by those values. She was a good person. She had purpose to her life.
My outlook on life has changed since Sarah died: I am more cautious; I worry more about our other children. I crave the familiarity and security of home; the wider world has lost its appeal. It is too painful to contemplate a future without Sarah, so I just live in the here and now. I think of Sarah all the time, but the mornings and evenings are particularly painful. In the morning I wake up to the awful reality that Sarah is gone. In the evenings, at the time she was abducted, I let out a silent scream: Don’t get in the car, Sarah. Don’t believe him. Run!
I am repulsed by the thought of Wayne Couzens and what he did to Sarah. I am outraged that he masqueraded as a policeman in order to get what he wanted.
Sarah wanted to get married and have children, now all that has gone. He took her life and stole her future and we will never have the joy of sharing that future with her. Each day dawns and I think, Sarah should be here, leading her life and embracing new experiences. She had so many years ahead of her.
I don’t know how anyone could be so cruel as to take my daughter’s life. What I do know is that Sarah will never be forgotten and is remembered with boundless love.
I cling on to memories of Sarah, I hold them tight to keep them safe. The other night, I dreamt that Sarah appeared at home. In my dream I held her and could feel her physically. Jeremy was there, we were comforting her, saying “it’s alright Sarah, it’s alright”. I would give anything to hold her once more; I hope I dream that dream again.”
It would be a small consolation to her family to think that any of these words would make Couzens feel even a modicum of shame or regret at his actions but somehow I doubt he does.
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Her sister’s victim impact statement is almost unbearable to read, never mind listen to in court. What goes on in a man’s head when he hears that being said to him I wonder? Is he still saying he never killed her? Evil swine. His poor wife and kids as well. So many lives ruined for a few moments of selfish depravity.
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Wayne Couzens tried to blame Eastern European gang for Sarah Everard’s disappearance
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCGyo_JgRYE
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Just goes to show you can never rule anyone out of a criminal investigation.
Everyone in the vicinity needs to be treated as a suspect.
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The piece of s..m gets a whole life tariff. Good. I can't imagine life in prison will be much fun for a murdering, raping ex-policeman.
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The piece of s..m gets a whole life tariff. Good. I can't imagine life in prison will be much fun for a murdering, raping ex-policeman.
Yes, but if he changes gender he could get moved to a women's prison.
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Yes, but if he changes gender he could get moved to a women's prison.
Don’t.
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Lord Justice Fulford's Sentencing Remarks...
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I find the whole life tariff slightly unfair myself.
Colin Pitchfork raped & murdered two girls & is now walking free.
Wayne Couzens offence was technically half as bad, because he only raped & murdered one, yet he receives more than twice the sentence?
How is that fair?
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I find the whole life tariff slightly unfair myself.
Colin Pitchfork raped & murdered two girls & is now walking free.
Wayne Couzens offence was technically half as bad, because he only raped & murdered one, yet he receives more than twice the sentence?
How is that fair?
It's not fair that Colin Pitchfork has been released from prison IMO. Couzens abused his position of authority and brought the institution of policing into disrepute by abusing his position as well as committing the most cynical and cruel crime. I'm not going to argue that that is worse than Colin Pitchfork but it is at least as bad and both should rot in prison forever. I'm sure you are already painting your "Free Couzens" placard as we speak however...
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It's not fair that Colin Pitchfork has been released from prison IMO. Couzens abused his position of authority and brought the institution of policing into disrepute by abusing his position as well as committing the most cynical and cruel crime. I'm not going to argue that that is worse than Colin Pitchfork but it is at least as bad and both should rot in prison forever. I'm sure you are already painting your "Free Couzens" placard as we speak however...
I don't think Couzens being in a position of authority should make any difference to sentencing really.
If it did then that's like saying it's somehow more acceptable for Pitchfork to have murdered women just because he wasn't a policeman. So acceptable he got to do it twice for half the punishment.
Murder should carry an automatic whole life tariff, regardless of the perpatrators age, sex or occupation imo.
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This case has always stuck in my mind.
He strangled his girlfriend to death, buried her in the woods then reported her missing & kept a charade of concern going for several weeks.
He was sentenced to 'Life'..... with a minimum of 16 years?!
But he's been a good boy since, done some anger management courses & has promised not to murder anyone else. He's been moved to an open prison now & is eligible for parole, whilst his victims family live in fear of seeing him in public again.
https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news/hull-east-yorkshire-news/joanne-nelson-paul-dyson-prison-3437762
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I don't think Couzens being in a position of authority should make any difference to sentencing really.
If it did then that's like saying it's somehow more acceptable for Pitchfork to have murdered women just because he wasn't a policeman. So acceptable he got to do it twice for half the punishment.
Murder should carry an automatic whole life tariff, regardless of the perpatrators age, sex or occupation imo.
Not all murder is equal imo but certainly that which involves sadism, sex abuse, torture, children, kidnap definitely.
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This case has always stuck in my mind.
He strangled his girlfriend to death, buried her in the woods then reported her missing & kept a charade of concern going for several weeks.
He was sentenced to 'Life'..... with a minimum of 16 years?!
But he's been a good boy since, done some anger management courses & has promised not to murder anyone else. He's been moved to an open prison now & is eligible for parole, whilst his victims family live in fear of seeing him in public again.
https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news/hull-east-yorkshire-news/joanne-nelson-paul-dyson-prison-3437762
Then there’s the recent case of the man who throttled his girlfriend during sex “by accident “ and got four and a half years. Incredible.
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Not all murder is equal imo but certainly that which involves sadism, sex abuse, torture, children, kidnap definitely.
Kidnap, torture, sex abuse were all present in the case of James Bulger.
But we have to show sympathy for the little sadistic murderers because they were only young & lessons in how not to murder toddlers weren't part of the curriculum back then.
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Kidnap, torture, sex abuse were all present in the case of James Bulger.
But we have to show sympathy for the little sadistic murderers because they were only young & lessons in how not to murder toddlers weren't part of the curriculum back then.
We don’t have to show sympathy for them but we do have to understand that children are not adults and so that case has to be treated accordingly.
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We don’t have to show sympathy for them but we do have to understand that children are not adults and so that case has to be treated accordingly.
Yes, murdering someone isn't quite so bad, up until the age of 18.
The day of your 18th birthday murder becomes somehow worse.
A bizarre concept imo.
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Yes, murdering someone isn't quite so bad, up until the age of 18.
The day of your 18th birthday murder becomes somehow worse.
A bizarre concept imo.
I don’t think anyone anywhere has ever said that. Luke Mitchell got a minimum 20 year sentence at aged 16 for the murder he committed at 14.
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I don’t think anyone anywhere has ever said that. Luke Mitchell got a minimum 20 year sentence at aged 16 for the murder he committed at 14.
He'd have been shown even more leniency if he was 12 imo.
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He'd have been shown even more leniency if he was 12 imo.
Of course there are some people busting a gut to try and get him released from prison on the basis that they believe he’s innocent.
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Of course there are some people busting a gut to try and get him released from prison on the basis that they believe he’s innocent.
This is why I exclude the death penalty, since there's a possibility for incorrect verdicts, but would make murder a whole life mandatory minimum. Obviously in cases of suspected MOJ's there would still be the possibility for appealing verdicts, but not length of sentencing.
Then, I'd put all the murderers to good use, building more prisons for when I introduce mandatory life sentences for violating the highway code.
Yes, that's my new policy on tackling murder, prison shortages & minor traffic infractions.
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This is why I exclude the death penalty, since there's a possibility for incorrect verdicts, but would make murder a whole life mandatory minimum. Obviously in cases of suspected MOJ's there would still be the possibility for appealing verdicts, but not length of sentencing.
Then, I'd put all the murderers to good use, building more prisons for when I introduce mandatory life sentences for violating the highway code.
Yes, that's my new policy on tackling murder, prison shortages & minor traffic infractions.
That’s interesting. I cross a road on foot on a busy junction on my way to and from work every day and would gladly see imprisoned for life all those absolute berks who speed up to drive through a red light just as I am beginning to cross. It hapoens at least a couple of times a week. Multiply that by all the junctions in Britain and the roads would soon be empty of berks.
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That’s interesting. I cross a road on foot on a busy junction on my way to and from work every day and would gladly see imprisoned for life all those absolute berks who speed up to drive through a red light just as I am beginning to cross. It hapoens at least a couple of times a week. Multiply that by all the junctions in Britain and the roads would soon be empty of berks.
Less fossil fuel usage, lower carbon emissions, safer roads.
It's a winner all round imo.
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What made him think he would get away with it? Or perhaps he didn't/care.
He was cruising around Central London looking for a victim. Surely he would appreciate he/vehicle would be picked up on cctv or a dash cam somewhere?
Wonder if he is responsible for other undetected/unsolved crimes?
Chilling that he was able to go about living normally having done what he did.
Poor family having to live with thoughts of Sarah's last hours. 8(8-))
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What I will never understand is why anything thinks the thrill of a ducting, raping and killing someone is worth all the aggro that follows on from those few minutes or hours. The stress of having to cover up the crime and the worry about being caught and the likelihood of being put behind bars for a very long time, losing everyone and everything in the process. How can it be worth it? Why are these people so short-sighted and so governed by their basest instincts? I just don’t get it.
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Traumatised McDonald's worker reveals how she reported half-naked Wayne Couzens to police after he flashed her at drive-thru WEEKS before he murdered Sarah Everard.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10045557/Traumatised-McDonalds-worker-reveals-half-naked-Wayne-Couzens-flashed-her.html
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Patrick Christys: ‘If Cressida Dick doesn’t resign, she must be sacked’
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdhTXuk9HM8
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Jeez, this ex-police s..mbag is even worse than Couzens (if that's possible)
Former police officer confesses he is notorious serial killer Le Grêlé in suicide note
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Adam Sage, Paris
Friday October 01 2021, 11.20am, The Times
The crimes of Le Grêlé — “the pockmarked one” — shocked Paris in the 1980s and 1990s
The crimes of Le Grêlé — “the pockmarked one” — shocked Paris in the 1980s and 1990s
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A retired police officer and former local councillor has killed himself after confessing to being a serial killer and rapist responsible for crimes unsolved for decades.
François Verove, whose police career included postings in an elite unit responsible for protecting the presidential palace and also in a squad that investigates paedophilia, is thought to have committed at least four murders and six rapes between 1986 and 1997.
Among his victims was Cécile Bloch, an 11-year-old girl raped, stabbed and killed in her block of flats in the Paris region in 1986 and another girl of the same age who was raped after being snatched from her bicycle, also in the Paris region, in 1994.
Verove, who was 59, killed himself by taking an overdose of medicine in an Airbnb flat he had rented in Le Grau-du-Roi, on the Mediterranean coast near Montpellier, after receiving a summons from a judge investigating the cold case that had baffled detectives for decades.
More than 750 retired members of the gendarmerie, France’s military police force, who were working in Paris at the time of the crimes have been summoned after investigators became convinced that the killer must have been an officer.
Police had a photofit of him drawn up by the witnesses who had seen him leaving Cécile’s block of flats after her killing and a nickname for him: Le Grêlé (the pockmarked one) because of his acne.
But they discovered his identity only after his relatives, thought to include his wife, said he had gone missing this week.
Investigators traced the Airbnb flat and found his body inside and next to it a note in which he confessed to being Le Grêlé.
The note is reported to have said that his life had “not being going well” at the time of the crimes, that he had had “urges” but had subsequently “got a grip” of himself and committed no offences since 1997 — a claim that is being investigated.
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His DNA matched that found at a crime scene, confirming his confession, prosecutors said.
French media said he was believed to have killed himself because he realised that the net was closing in on him. The retired gendarmes summoned by investigators were all being subjected to a DNA test after questioning.
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Verove is reported to have been a gendarme between 1983 and 1988 when he was a member of the Garde Républicaine, which protects France’s most prominent institutions, including the presidency, and foreign dignitaries and takes part in national ceremonies.
He left the gendarmerie to join the Police Nationale, the civil police force, where he worked for the Brigade des Mineurs, a squad specialising in crimes against children and notably sex crimes.
After retiring he moved with his wife to Prades-le-Lez, a small town inland from Montpellier and about 30 miles from where his body was found. He was elected to the town’s council in 1994.
Among the other crimes he is believed to have committed are the murders of Irmgard Mueller, a 20-year-old German au pair found tied up with her throat slit in the flat where she was employed in central Paris, and of Gilles Politi, 38, an Air France mechanic who was the father of the family for whom she had worked. Verove is also suspected of murdering Karine Leroy, 19, whose body was found in woodland outside Paris in 1994.
He is thought to have committed at least six rapes in and around Paris.
Investigators had long suspected that the killer was a police officer. His rape victims had said that he often used police terminology. On at least one occasion, he is thought to have shown his police identity card. On others, he used handcuffs. His ability to keep one step ahead of investigators also pointed to knowledge of police procedures.
But his identity remained hidden until Nathalie Turquey, an investigating magistrate, decided to take a look at the case.
The disclosure came as a shock in Prades-le-Lez, where a council officer described him as “very nice” and said it was “impossible to imagine that he was a killer”.
A police officer who had worked with him in the Brigade des Mineurs said he was “calm and collected. He had a soft voice, he was nice and a helpful colleague always trying to resolve conflicts.
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How they caught Sarah Everard's killer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtgIKOrF54Q
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Of course there are some people busting a gut to try and get him released from prison on the basis that they believe he’s innocent.
I don't know whether he is innocent or not, but I do think there is a possibility.
And, I'm not "busting a gut", although, I agree, some people are, and one of them was, I understand, a friend of both Jodi and Luke.
Couzens is, IMO, a completely different "kettle of fish". For a start, there is excellent evidence that he is actually guilty. Also, he abused his position. I would have got into a car with Couzens, had he tried to arrest me for breaking lockdown rules, as, like Sarah Everard, i did break lockdown rules, and I felt bad about it, as, no doubt, she did. Of course, I would have gone with a police officer. So would many other people.
An extremely dangerous man. IMO, he deserves a full life tariff.
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At least 110 UK women have been killed by men (or where a man is the principal suspect) so far in 2021:
4 January 2021: Eileen Dean, 93, was found badly injured on her bed in a care home in South London. She had suffered injuries to her head and neck, some of which, it is reported, were inflicted with her walking stick. Fellow care home resident Alexander Rawson, 62, has been charged with her murder.
7 January 2021: Sue Addis, 69, died after being stabbed in her home near Brighton. A 17-year-old male who cannot be named for legal reasons but is said to be known to her, has been charged with her murder.
11 January 2021: Carol Hart, 77, was found dead in a house in Devon. Michael Robinson, 35, has been charged with her murder.
17 January 2021: Jacqueline Price, who was in her late 50s, was found unconscious and later died at her home in Andreas, on the Isle of Man Her son, James Price, 21, has been charged with her murder and the attempted murder of his father, her husband.
17 January 2021: Mary Wells, 21, was stabbed to death in Colchester, Essex. Adam Butt, 21, has been charged with her murder.
24 January 2021: Tiprat Argatu, 43, was found dead with head and neck injuries in a property in Whitechapel, London by police responding to calls of concern for her welfare. David Cheres, 19, has been charged with her murder.
27 January 2021: Christie Frewin, 25, was found with fatal injuries at her home in Welwyn Garden City, Hertfordshire. Alex Staines, 30, has been charged with her murder.
28 January 2021: Souad Bellaha, 62, was found dead in a house in Maidstone, Kent. Abdelaziz El Msseyah, 57, has been charged with her murder.
29 January 2021: Ann Turner, 82, was found dead in her home in Herefordshire. A 56-year-old man, arrested on suspicion of murder, has been detained under the Mental Health Act. The police are not looking for anyone else in connection to the incident.
29 January 2021: N’Taya Elliott-Cleverley, 20, was found dead in a property in Liverpool. 19-year-old Mohammed Diakite, also known as Nigel Diakite, has been charged with her murder.
29 January 2021: Rose Marie Tinton, 77, known as Marie, was found dead at her home in Southport who were following enquiries after a man was hit by a train some hours earlier. He remains in hospital, under arrest for suspicion of murder.
31 January 2021: Ranjit Gill, 43, was found dead at home in Milton Keynes with significant injuries. Her husband Anil Gill, 46, has been charged with murder.
1 February 2021: Helen Joy, 54, was found dead in Wirral. Kevin Ashton, has been charged with her murder.
4 February 2021: Emma Robertson, 39, was stabbed to death, shortly before her daughter Nicole Anderson, 24, was also killed. Her estranged husband, Steven Robertson, 40, is thought to have killed them both before killing himself.
4 February 2021: Nicole Anderson, 24, was stabbed to death, shortly after her mother, Emma Robertson, 29, had also been killed. Steven Robertson, 40, her mother’s estranged husband, is thought to have killed them both before killing himself.
6 February 2021: Linda Maggs, 74, was found unresponsive and declared dead by ambulance staff in Pontypool. Her husband, David Maggs, 70, has been charged with her murder.
6 February 2021: Carol Smith, 75, was found dead by police who had been called to a home in Bexhill, Sussex. She had been shot. A 78-year-old man who was found with a serious injury, remains arrested on suspicion of murder.
7 February 2021: Sophie Moss, 33, was found in a critical condition but pronounced dead shortly later, in a house in Darlington, County Durham. Sam Pybus, 31, has been charged with her murder.
11 February 2021: Christina Rowe, 28, was found dead in the River Severn in Worcester. Charles Byrne, 24, has been charged with her murder and the attempted murder of another person.
11 February 2021: Susan Hannaby, 69, was found dead by emergency services attending a house fire in Wrexham, Wales. Her grandson, Kyle Ellis, 25, has been charged with her murder.
13 February 2021: Michelle Lizanec, 44, was found dead by police, in a house in Dundee after what has been described as a day-long stand-off. A 46-year-old man, thought to be her partner, has been charged with murder.
15 February 2021: Wieslawa Mierzejewska, 59, was found dead in a house in Cambridgeshire. Her son, Ernest Grusza, 40, has been charged with her murder.
16 February 2021: Christina Arnold, 71, was found dead at home in Pembrokeshire, Wales. She had been suffocated by her husband of 50-years, David Arnold, 81, before he killed himself.
17 February 2021: Bennylyn Burke, 25, and her 2-year-old daughter Jellica, were last seen at their home in Gloucestershire. They were reported missing on 1 March, with her other child who has since been found alive. Their bodies were found on 17 March, concealed in a house in Dundee. Andrew Innes, 50, has been charged with their murders.
20 February 2021: Judith Rhead, 68, was found dead in a property in Pembrokeshire, wales. Dale Morgan, 43, has been charged with her murder.
22 February 2021: Anna Ovsyannikova, 48, was found dead in a house in Ealing, W. London. Curtis Brown, 48, has been charged with her murder.
February 2021; Tina Eyre, 62, is said to have been beaten to death with a shovel. She was from Gloucester but had retired to Bulgaria, where she was killed. Neighbours who were worried that they hadn’t seen her discovered her boyfriend digging a grave. He has since admitted to police that he killed her.
2 March 2020: Samantha Heap, 45, was found dead in a house in Congleton, Cheshire. David Mottram, 47, has been charged with her murder.
3 March 2021: Sarah Everard, 33, went missing when walking home in South London. Her body was found a week later inside a builder’s bag in woodland, in Ashford, Kent. Wayne Cuzens, 48, a serving police officer, has been charged with her murder.
4 March 2021: Geetika Goyal, 29, was found stabbed and dying in a street in Leicestershire. Kashish Aggarwal, 29, has been charged with her murder.
4 March 2021: Imogen Bohajczuk, 29, was found dead in a house in Oldham by police responding to a call of concern about her welfare. Daniel Smith, 41, has been charged with her murder.
5 March 2021: Wenjing Xu, 16, was stabbed to death in Wales. Chun Xu, 31 has been charged with her murder.
19 March 2021: Karen McClean, 50, was stabbed to death in Newtownabbey, N. Ireland, identifying her son Ken Flanagan, 26, as the assailant as she was dying. Flanagan also killed his partner, Stacey Knell, 30.
19 March 2021: Stacey Knell, 30, was stabbed to death by her partner Ken Flanagan, 26, in Newtownabbey, N. Ireland. Flanagan had also stabbed and killed his mother Karen McClean, 50.
23 March 2021: Smita Mistry (also known as Smita Saunders), 32, was found dead in house in Leicester. Frank Farrell, 36, has been charged with her murder.
23 March 2021: Samantha (Sammy) Mills, 31, died in a house fire in Huddersfield, in which a man was also killed and 4 other people injured. Craig Collier, 34, has been charged with arson with intent to endanger life.
25 March, 2021: Patricia Audsley, 66, was found dead in a house in Mirfield, W. Yorkshire. Nigel Audsley, 66, has been charged with her murder.
26 March 2021: Phyllis Nelson, 76, was found dead in her home in East London. Donovan Miller, 30, reported to be hr grandson, has been charged with her murder.
27 March 2021: Klaudia Soltys, 30, was found dead in a house in Hull. Amadeusz Sekula, 20, has been charged with her murder.
29 March 2021: Simone Ambler, 49, was found dead with multiple stab wounds in a house in Blackpool. Donald Payne, 62, has been charged with her murder.
1 April 2021: Emma McArthur, 49, died from her injuries after being found lying at a road junction near her home in Berkshire. She had been stabbed in the neck and chest. Donald Payne, 62, described as her on-off partner, has been charged with her murder.
1 April 2021: Sherrie Milnes, 51, was found dead in a house of Weymouth with multiple stab wounds and also having suffered compression to the neck. Steven Doughty, 54, is believed to have killed her before killing himself.
4 April 2021: Constanta Bunea, 50, was found dead in the bathroom on a flat in Plumstead, S.E. London. Vasile Bratu, 39, has been charged with her murder.
6 April 2021: Jacqueline Grant, 54, was found dead in hr home in Glasgow with multiple knife wounds to her head and body. Michael Dorey, 46, has been charged with her murder.
9 April 2021: Loretta Herman, 85, was found dead in the bathtub of her home in East London. The cause of her death was compression to the neck. Her son, Mark Herman, 54, has been charged with her murder.
9 April 2021: Egle Vengaliene, 34, was found dead in a lake in a park in Suffolk. Her husband Andrius Vengalis, 46, has been charged with her murder.
10 April 2021: Sally Metcalf, 68, died of compression to her neck. Her husband, Johnathan Metcalf, 72, was found hanged. The police said Sally’s death was being treated as murder.
13 April 2020: Sarah Keith, 26, was found dead in a flat in Leeds. Her partner Carl Chadwick 35, has been charged with her murder.
18 April 2021: Peggy Wright, 83, died after jumping out of a window to escape a fire started in an arson attack on her home in Birmingham. Mark O’Brien, 46, has been charged in relation to her death.
23 April 2021: Charmaine O’Donnell, 25, died after being pulled from the water at Helensburgh Pier, Scotland. A 28-year-old man has been charged in relation to her death.
23 April 2021: Michelle Cooper, 40, died in hospital due to head injuries, after being attacked in Jaywick, Essex. Jordan Stanley, 20, has been charged with her murder.
25 April 2021: Kerry Bradford, 57, was found dead at home in Newport, Wales, by police investigating the death of a her husband, Nicholas Bradford, 57, who had fallen to his death in the city centre. Police believe he killed her before killing himself.
27 April 2021: Julia James, 53, was found dead with serious head injuries, in woodland in Kent, where she had taken her dog for a walk. On 10 May, Callum Wheeler, 21, was charged with her murder.
30 April 2021; Beth Aspey, 34, was found dead by police at her home in Reading, she had suffered blunt force injury to her head. Her boyfriend Ben Shand.45, has been charged with her murder.
2 May 2021: Susan Booth, 62, was found with severe injuries outside a house in Oldham, Lancashire. Stephen Booth, 63, has been charged with her murder.
3 May 2021: Maya Zulfiquar, 26, from London, was strangled and shot in Lahore, Pakistan. It is alleged that she had been threatened by men who wanted to marry her. No charges have yet been made.
4 May 2021: Maria Rawlings, 45, was found dead in bushes near Romford, Essex. She had head injuries and had been strangled, it is believed she was walking home from hospital. Valentin Lazar, 20, has been charged with her murder.
4 May 2021: Chenise Gregory, 29, from London, was found stabbed to death in a hotel in Harrogate, N. Yorkshire. It is believed she was killed by her partner, Michael McGibbon, 29, before he killed himself.
9 May 2021: Agnes Akom, 20, also know as Dora, was last seen in Cricklewood, London. Neculai Paizan, 63, has been charged with her murder. Her body has not yet been found.
10 May 2021: Wendy Cole, 70, was stabbed to death in her home in Cambridgeshire. Her son, John Cole, 35, has been charged with her murder.
11 May 2021: Caroline Crouch, 20, a British woman who lived in Athens, was strangled and tortured. Her husband claimed that three robbers had broken into their apartment and tied him up before killing her. On 17 June, her husband was questioned by police and confessed to her murder.
12 May 2021: Svetlana Mihalachi, 53, died in hospital, five weeks after being attacked in a house in Ilford, London. Nicolae Virtosu, 47, had already been charged with attempted murder.
12 May 2021: Nicola Kirk, 45, died in hospital in Dumfries, Scotland after allegedly being deliberately driven at. Ian Edwards, 35, has been charged with murder.
13 May 2021: A 32-year-old woman who has not been named, was found dead in a home in Ilford, London. Muhammad Ilyas, 40, said to be known to her, has been charged with her murder.
25 May 2021: Agita Geslere, 61, dies in hospital after being found with multiple stab wounds in a house in Barnsley, S. Yorkshire. Her son Renars Geslers, 31, has been charged with her murder.
26 May 2021: Lauren Wilson, 34, was stabbed to death in Renfrew, Scotland. Craig Walker, 39, has been charged with her murder.
27 May 2021: Peninah Kabeba, 42, was found dead at home in South London, with multiple stab wounds. Mohsen Saadi, 56, has been charged with her murder.
29 May 2021: Jill Hickery was found dead with stab wounds in a house in Cornwall. Donald Hickery, 84, has been charged with her murder.
31 May 2021: Bethany Vincent, 26, and her 9-year-old son, Darren, were stabbed to death at their home in Louth, Lincolnshire. Her ex-partner, Daniel Boulton, 29, has been charged with their murders.
1 June 2021: Esther Brown, 67, was found dead in her flat in Glasgow. Jason Graham, 30, has been charged with her murder and rape.
1 June 2021: Michaela Hall, 49, was found dead in a house in Truro, Cornwall. Lee Kendall, 42, has been charged with her murder.
1 June 2021: Mildred Whitmore, 84, was found dead in her home in Nuneaton, Warwickshire. Chase Kelly, 31, has been charged with her murder and burglary.
2 June 2021: Stacey Clay, 39, died in hospital after being found seriously injured in her garden in Nottingham on 19 May. Matthew Farmer, 42, had been charged with attempted murder and police are not looking for anyone else.
11 June 2021: Linda Hood, 68, was discovered dead at her home in Norfolk by fire crews. A post mortem found she had died before the fire from compression to the neck. Paul Kelly-Bridle, 58, has been charged with her murder.
16 June 2021: Marlene Coleman, 53, was found unresponsive by paramedics attending a house in S. London. She was declared dead on the scene. Franklin McLeod, 54, has been charged with her murder.
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18 June 2021: Sophie Cartlidge, 39, was found dead in a property in North Lincolnshire. Police said the no weapons had been used but that she had suffered significant injuries. Andre Grimes, 37, has been charged with her murder.
18 June 2021: Gracie Spinks, 23, was killed in a paddock in Derbyshire as she tended her horse. Michael Sellars, 35, suspected of killing her was a former colleague who had been stalking her and against whom she had taken out a restraining order. He was found dead nearby.
19 June 2021: Kim Dearden, 63, was discovered by police in a house in Hertfordshire but died of stab wounds shortly afterwards. Her son, Charles Dearden, 31, has been charged with her murder.
19 June 2021: Michelle Hibbert, 29, and her husband were found dead in their home in Basingstoke. Stanley Elliot, 52, has been charged with their murders.
22 June 2021: Sally Poynton, 44, was found dead from knife wounds in a house in Cornwall. Jacob Poynton-Whiting, 22, has been charged with her murder.
23 June 2021: Catherine Wardleworth, who was in her 70s, was shot dead in Merseyside. Police believe she was killed by her husband Leslie Wardleworth, before he killed himself.
29 June 2021: Sukhjit Badial, 73, and her husband, were found dead in their home in Warwickshire. She died from ‘a number of injuries’. Police believe her killed her before killing himself.
3 July 2021: Elsie Pinder, 66, died after a house fire in Southend, Essex. Andrew Wilding, 41, has been charged with her murder and arson with intent to endanger life.
4 July 2021: Catherine Stewart, 54, was found dead in her home in Airdrie, Scotland. Colin Kennedy, 60, has been charged with her murder.
4 July 2021: Ishrat Ahmed, 52, was beaten to death and her husband was also seriously injured at their home in Lancashire. Mohammad Yaqub Malik, 58, has been charged with her murder.
7 July 2021: Tamara Padi, 45, was stabbed to death in her home in Greater Manchester. Aubrey Padi, 41, has been charged with her murder.
Katie (Kathleen) Brankin, 37, was stabbed to death at a glamping site on the coast at Limavady, N. Ireland. Thomas Davidson, 53, has been charged with her murder.
13 July 2021: Sandra Hughes, 63, died in a house fire in Gorton, Manchester. Mark See, 34, has been charged with her murder.
23 July 2021: Beatrice Stoica, 36, was stabbed to death in S. London. Stony Stoica, 44, has been charged with her murder.
24 July 2021: Pat (Patricia) Holland, 83, was found dead at her home in Norfolk. Alan Scott, 41, who had been her lodger, has been charged with her murder.
26 July 2021: Louise Kam, 71, was last seen alive by a family member in Barnet, London. Her body was found on 1st August. Mohamed El Abboud (26) & Kusai Al Jundi (23) have been charged with her murder.
31 July 2021: Yordanos Brhane, 19, was found with multiple stab wounds in a house in Birmingham. Halefom Weldyohannes, 25, has been charged in relation to her death.
31 July 2021: Amanda Selby, 15, from Greater Manchester was stabbed to death in a holiday park in Wales. Her brother, Matthew Selby, 19, has been charged with her murder.
1 August 2021: Malgorzata Lechanska, 37, was found dead with a severe head injury at her home in Norfolk. Her husband Rafal Winiarski, 39, has been charged with her murder.
7 August 2021: Megan Newborough, 23, is thought to have been killed before being found dead the following day in a country lane in Leicestershire. Ross Macullam, 29, has been charged with rape and murder.
9 August 2021: Diana Nichols, 57, was found dead in flat in Hawick, Scotland. A54-year-old man has been charged in relation to her death.
12 August 2021: Maxine Davison (Chapman), 51, was shot dead by her son, Jake Davison, 22, who killed four other people (Sophie Martyn, Kate Shepherd, Lee Martyn, Stephen Washington) in Plymouth, before killing himself.
12 August 2021: Kate Shepherd, 66, was shot dead by Jake Davison, 22, in Plymouth. Davison killed four other people (his mother Maxine Davison/Chapman, Sophie Martyn, Lee Martyn, Stephen Washington) before killing himself.
14 August 2021: Bella Nicandro, 76, was stabbed to death in her home in London. Aaron Cook, 23, has been charged with her murder.
15 August 2021: Eileen Barrott, 50, was found seriously injured in her home in Leeds but died at the scene. Her husband, Mark Barrott, 54, has been charged with her murder.
19 August 2021: Sharron Pickles, 45, was found dead with an incised wound to her throat in a home in North London. Police are looking for Lee Peacock, 49, in relation to her death and that of another man who was found in a nearby property.
23 August 2021: Helen Anderson, 41, from London, was found dead in undergrown beside a slip road in Surrey. Dane Messam, 52, has been charged with her murder.
26 August 2021: Jade Ward, 27, was found dead in a house in North Wales. Her ex-husband, Russell Marsh, 29, has been charged with her murder.
27 August 2021: Maddie Durdant-Hollamby, 22, was stabbed to death in Kettering, Northamptonshire by her partner Ben Green, 41, who also killed himself. Whilst police were quick to state there was no evidence of a history of domestic abuse, friends have described Green as a misogynist who had sexual relationships with multiple women at the same time and showed them no respect.
2 September 2021: Fawziyah Javed, 31, from West Yorkshire ‘fell’ to her death from Arthur’s Seat in Edinburgh. Kashif Anwar, 27, has been charged with her murder.
11 September 2021: Ingrid Matthew, 54, was found dead in a house in Leicester. Her son Aaron Matthew, 18, was charged with her murder.
17 September 2021: Sabina, Nessa, 28, was killed in Kidbrooke, south-east London. 10 days later, Koci Selamaj, 36, was charged with her murder.
17 September 2021: An as yet unnamed woman was found dead in a house in Welwyn Garden City after the suicide of a man in the town centre. Police are treating her death as murder.
19 September 2021: Terri Harris, 35, was found dead in Derbyshire with her children John Paul Bennett, 13 and Lacey Bennett, 11 and a friend Connie Gent, 11. A man reported as her partner, Damien Bendall, 31, has been charged with their murders.
19 September 2021: Sukhjeet Uppal, 40, was stabbed multiple times and died in her home in Wolverhampton. Jai Singh, 50, has been charged with her murder.
Waiting for further information regarding the deaths of Unnamed woman, Aberdeen, unnamed woman, Doncaster, unnamed woman, Wolverhampton, Mollie Taylor, Dyanne Mansfield, A woman found dead in Leicester, Jackie Murphy, Leicester, Tracey McGrath, Liverpool, Diane Mitchell, Gloucester ,Woman, 89, Bexleyheath, Susan Denyer, Emma Cooper, unnamed woman, Nuneaton, Joanne Baird, Sarah Hussein, Bury, Woman, Southall Park , Jomaa Jerrare, Unnamed woman, Polperro, Charlotte Ford, Offerton, Sabina Nessa.
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I don't know whether he is innocent or not, but I do think there is a possibility.
And, I'm not "busting a gut", although, I agree, some people are, and one of them was, I understand, a friend of both Jodi and Luke.
Couzens is, IMO, a completely different "kettle of fish". For a start, there is excellent evidence that he is actually guilty. Also, he abused his position. I would have got into a car with Couzens, had he tried to arrest me for breaking lockdown rules, as, like Sarah Everard, i did break lockdown rules, and I felt bad about it, as, no doubt, she did. Of course, I would have gone with a police officer. So would many other people.
An extremely dangerous man. IMO, he deserves a full life tariff.
Yes, although Sarah's murder was obviously a heinous act, we shouldn't lose sight of the fact that she was out breaking lockdown laws that were there to protect the elderly & vulnerable.
She could have killed someone.
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Why was Wayne Couzens known as ‘the rapist’? Origins of the nickname of Sarah Everard’s killer explained
He was reportedly nicknamed ‘The Rapist’ by his colleagues as he made women feel uncomfortable
https://inews.co.uk/news/uk/wayne-couzens-the-rapist-nickname-why-known-as-sarah-everard-killer-explained-1227129