Met officer arrested in connection with missing Sarah Everard.

[John]

I notice ghastly labour MP Jess Phillips read out a list of 120 women killed by men in 2020.

I'd venture that the majority of these cases were domestic violence between partners & not 120 night stalking men prowling the streets, but she fails to make a distinction.

Besides that, 120 is a very small figure compared to the 1600 people killed in road traffic accidents in the same year.

So when will she be condemning cars & reading the list of 1600 people killed by them. Which, in terms of amount of fatalities is a far more pressing issue imo.

That 120 women have been murdered by men in the last 12 months is ghastly.  I listened yesterday as Jess Phillips read out all the victim's names in Parliament.

Domestic violence or not, a man has NO RIGHT TO ASSAULT A WOMAN under any circumstances. To do so is the mark of the coward and should be dealt with by the full force of the law.

[jassi]

That 120 women have been murdered by men in the last 12 months is ghastly.  I listened yesterday as Jess Phillips read out all the victim's names in Parliament.

Domestic violence or not, a man has NO RIGHT TO ASSAULT A WOMAN under any circumstances. To do so is the mark of the coward and should be dealt with by the full force of the law.

Of course, but that's after the event. prevention will be much more difficult.

[Venturi Swirl]

Of course, but that's after the event. prevention will be much more difficult.

Teaching men to respect women in the first place is the hard bit.  I genuinely thought the younger generation of boys and young men were more enlightened these days but I know from personal experience that this is not always the case.  24/7 easy access to hardcore porn of the rapey variety probably doesn't help matters tbh.

[Wonderfulspam]

Of course, but that's after the event. prevention will be much more difficult.

I used to love P.E but I hated maths & I can't recall my 'don't abduct rape & murder people' lessons back in primary school, but I assume there were some as I've managed not to do it so far.

[patb]

I have been trying to work out why a respected and highly trained police office would (allegedly) abduct a woman so far from his home, in public using a car with tracable plates. (with all of their background knowledge re CCTV, ANPR, cell sight analysis etc) but the allegation re indecent exposure in a restaurant  a few days earlier provides a clue. Clearly "on the edge" knowing deep down that he would be traced. My understanding was that firearm officers regularly go through tests to ensure they are fit (in every way) for this role.

[Angelo222]

I have been trying to work out why a respected and highly trained police office would (allegedly) abduct a woman so far from his home, in public using a car with tracable plates. (with all of their background knowledge re CCTV, ANPR, cell sight analysis etc) but the allegation re indecent exposure in a restaurant  a few days earlier provides a clue. Clearly "on the edge" knowing deep down that he would be traced. My understanding was that firearm officers regularly go through tests to ensure they are fit (in every way) for this role.

If what we have heard is correct in that he was a flasher then he must have mental health issues. Who knows what could have triggered this but at the end of the day poor Sarah paid an awful price for this guy's shortcomings.

[patb]

I think thats a fair commemt re mental health but, if true, what are the wider ramifications of our armed police?

[Geordie]

This is a disturbing case. It has been reported by a neighbour near his home in Deal that there was a range rover parked outside his house with two men in from 5.00pm on the night of his arrest 9 March 2021. Then when he returned home at 8.00pm after finishing his shift they stormed the house with over 20 police who had been out of sight around the corner.

It is also been reported that they had already began searching the woods at Ashford before he was arrested and the remains were found the following day 10 March 2021. Considering Ashford is 50 miles South West of where Sarah disappeared and 30 miles west of his home at Deal, it is interesting why these woods became of interest to the police so early.

At the same time he was arrested so was a woman at the house who was arrested on suspicion of assisting an offender which again is unusual so early in the proceeding. She has now been released on bail. If they were already onto him and had been tracking his movements then perhaps he returned to the woods while under surveillance.

It would appear the police are confident they have their man and are not releasing any details to the public.

[Angelo222]

This is a disturbing case. It has been reported by a neighbour near his home in Deal that there was a range rover parked outside his house with two men in from 5.00pm on the night of his arrest 9 March 2021. Then when he returned home at 8.00pm after finishing his shift they stormed the house with over 20 police who had been out of sight around the corner.

It is also been reported that they had already began searching the woods at Ashford before he was arrested and the remains were found the following day 10 March 2021. Considering Ashford is 50 miles South West of where Sarah disappeared and 30 miles west of his home at Deal, it is interesting why these woods became of interest to the police so early.

At the same time he was arrested so was a woman at the house who was arrested on suspicion of assisting an offender which again is unusual so early in the proceeding. She has now been released on bail. If they were already onto him and had been tracking his movements then perhaps he returned to the woods while under surveillance.

It would appear the police are confident they have their man and are not releasing any details to the public.

What really disturbs me is that it appears an attempt was made to destroy the body and that is why identification is taking so long. My guess is that the woman released informed on him. The whole thing is truly appalling.

[Geordie]

If what we have heard is correct in that he was a flasher then he must have mental health issues. Who knows what could have triggered this but at the end of the day poor Sarah paid an awful price for this guy's shortcomings.

It is still an extreme escalation from being a flasher to a murderer over a few days. I just hope he hasn't done this before.

[Geordie]

What really disturbs me is that it appears an attempt was made to destroy the body and that is why identification is taking so long. My guess is that the woman released informed on him. The whole thing is truly appalling.

Possibly but the woods were already being searched before they were arrested. She was also arrested on suspicion of assisting an offender very early on which indicates they had grounds for suspicion. Also he would be forensically aware.

[patb]

The time line (as with all cases) is fascinating but "it is reported" is surely a red flag. For example, I would hope that undercover cops have more skills rather than parking outside the suspects house. It could have been two workman having a break for all we know. "Evidence" from "nosy neighbours via the media has a huge question mark over it.

The size of area searched would perhaps indicate cell site analys and this confirms my point I made earlier. If he visited the area of disposal with a tracable plate and/or a tracable mobile phone turned on, with his background knowledge, he knew he would be caught and relatively quickly.

Its a cliche but perhaps part of him wanted to be caught. It's early days but horrific to think of the same situation with false plates and phone turned off.

PS Geordie, I agree re extreme escalation but we should not assume he planned a murder when leaving work. He could have lured her into the car on the spur of the moment with further indecent exposure planned but she "fought him off" and he panicked.

[Geordie]

The time line (as with all cases) is fascinating but "it is reported" is surely a red flag. For example, I would hope that undercover cops have more skills rather than parking outside the suspects house. It could have been two workman having a break for all we know. "Evidence" from "nosy neighbours via the media has a huge question mark over it.

The size of area searched would perhaps indicate cell site analys and this confirms my point I made earlier. If he visited the area of disposal with a tracable plate and/or a tracable mobile phone turned on, with his background knowledge, he knew he would be caught and relatively quickly.

Its a cliche but perhaps part of him wanted to be caught. It's early days but horrific to think of the same situation with false plates and phone turned off.

Yes I can appreciate the comment of a nosey neighbour but his neighbours have also reported that the police are digging up his back garden. The police are also investigating whether he used his warrant card to lure her into his car under a false sense of safety.

[Geordie]

PS Geordie, I agree re extreme escalation but we should not assume he planned a murder when leaving work. He could have lured her into the car on the spur of the moment with further indecent exposure planned but she "fought him off" and he panicked.

There is a clip online from CCTV that is claimed shows someone with long hair trying to escape from the back of a car while it was stopped at traffic lights but the driver pulls her back. Personally, I have viewed this clip several times but can't confirm what has been claimed. There is a white van behind it so if it is relevant then you would expect the van driver to have seen something and he has/will come forward. However, there is mobile CCTV from a bus which does appear significant in identifying him but obviously I've not seen that.

[Venturi Swirl]

The time line (as with all cases) is fascinating but "it is reported" is surely a red flag. For example, I would hope that undercover cops have more skills rather than parking outside the suspects house. It could have been two workman having a break for all we know. "Evidence" from "nosy neighbours via the media has a huge question mark over it.

The size of area searched would perhaps indicate cell site analys and this confirms my point I made earlier. If he visited the area of disposal with a tracable plate and/or a tracable mobile phone turned on, with his background knowledge, he knew he would be caught and relatively quickly.

Its a cliche but perhaps part of him wanted to be caught. It's early days but horrific to think of the same situation with false plates and phone turned off.

PS Geordie, I agree re extreme escalation but we should not assume he planned a murder when leaving work. He could have lured her into the car on the spur of the moment with further indecent exposure planned but she "fought him off" and he panicked.

Yep that scenario is the one that makes most sense to me.  The abductor acted on impulse without really thinking through the consequences of his actions.  Once he realised he could be id'ed by the victim he had to kill her.  It's not an uncommon scenario, sadly.