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Offline Joe Blogs

Alan Turnbulls closing speech
« on: December 21, 2024, 03:47:12 PM »
Would Alan Turnbulls closing speech have convinced you of Luke Mitchells guilt or would you have been left with reasonable doubt?
« Last Edit: December 21, 2024, 04:43:13 PM by Joe Blogs »

Offline Chris_Halkides

Re: Alan Turnbulls closing speech
« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2025, 11:48:23 AM »
Among other things, his closing speech avoided the issue Ms Bryson's getting lost and how this would have affected the time at which she saw someone.  His speech left me with no doubt that he could sell sand to Lawrence of Arabia.

Offline Joe Blogs

Re: Alan Turnbulls closing speech
« Reply #2 on: February 03, 2025, 06:47:36 PM »
Hi Chris. Are you happy with Donald Findlays closing speech? It is getting a lot of criticism on Twitter, due to the fact that Findlay implied that Andrina Bryson must have seen Luke in his bomber jacket and also for stating that it was possible for Luke to have carried out the crime.
Not sure what Findlay was trying to do. Of course it was possible for Luke to carry out the murder, but only through applying a very muddled illogical scenario!
Maybe Findlay thought that he had pointed out enough problems with the prosecution case that they would easily outweigh anything negative he said?
I mean Findlay is dead right, a LM guilt scenario is illogical from the get go, who in their right mind would arrange to meet their girlfriend only to kill them within a half hour or so? Not only did they plan to meet, but Jodi's family knew they planned to meet, just who did LM think would be the prime suspect under such circumstances?
Of course LM claims that Jodi was meeting him at his mums house in Newbattle, as arranged in the texts. And again Findlay quite rightly pointed out that if Luke lied about meeting at Newbattle, how did he know that the texts hadn't been retained on Judith's phone to prove otherwise?
And if Judith knew that Jodi planned to meet Luke in Easthouses , why then didn't she confront Luke about this when he phoned at 10.40? All that Judith did was phone Alice, who promptly headed for RDP to search for Jodi!
Indeed, there seems to be no mention of a clash of statements regarding where Luke and Jodi planned to meet that day, no mention of 'mucking about up here', Judith even went to see Luke in the days following the murder, yet only queried why he didn't phone back, no mention about meeting up in Easthouses whatsoever at that time.
Next Findlay pointed out that the couple Andrina Bryson saw seemed like strangers standing appart, not lovers meeting and embracing. Again,a very good point, a very 'important fact if you ask me!
Then we have to ask why Jodi's body was found about two thirds back along RDP if its true they planned to muck about in the Easthouses area? Why did Jodi seem to be heading for Newbattle when she was attacked? Again, very important if you ask me!
Then Fidlay points out the 5.40 call to Ovens allerting Jodi's family that she hadn't arrived! You have to ask, arrived where?? Easthouses or Newbattle? Why didn't Ovens at least quiery why Jodi hadn't arrived, if it was supposed to be in Easthouses, a mere three minute walk from Jodi's house?
Anyway, the point Findlay was making was, why phone for the cavalry to arrive when you intend to loitre on Newbattle RD seen by all in the parka for almost another hour?
This has always been a big point for me, there was absolutely no need for Luke to be on Newbattle road at all on the way home if guilty. Get home, wash, burn clothing and get an alibi in place right away, then phone Jodi's house.
Standing on Newbattle RD with the chance of being lifted by the police in the murder clothes is quite frankly absurd!
Then Findlay points out the 6.40 phone call home that Luke made, while he must have already 'been' at home going by the Crown scenario.
Then Findlay points out the claim of Luke waiting until 10.00 to get rid of the murder weapon!
Then of course we have Luke finding Jodi's body! As Findlay points out, if Luke was guilty then he would have avoided fining the body at all costs! Either simply stay at home, leave the dog at home or just refrain from going over the V and looking! For heavens sake, its that simple surely? DONT GO NEAR THE BODY!
So,on the whole, I think Findlay's closing speech had enough in it to cause most people reasonable doubt over Luke Muir Mitchells guilt!
It did for me anyway Chris! How about you??

Offline KenMair

Re: Alan Turnbulls closing speech
« Reply #3 on: February 06, 2025, 12:49:37 AM »
It doesn't matter if you're not happy with Findlay's closing speech, the jury did not believe LM or CM's version of events.
« Last Edit: February 06, 2025, 11:54:30 AM by KenMair »

Offline Joe Blogs

Re: Alan Turnbulls closing speech
« Reply #4 on: February 11, 2025, 02:07:41 PM »
Hi Ken.
Yes, in the end the jury decided that Luke and Corrine had not told the truth, but the thing is did Findlays closing speech influence them with their decision?
Hinting that Andrina Bryson saw someone in a bomber jacket and agreeing that it was possible for Luke to have carried out the crime would certainly have made the jury scratch their heads surely?
Very strange statements indeed from Findlay! No wonder supporters are asking, why?
And what did Findlay mean it was possible for LM to carry out the crime? Was he agreeing with the prosecution scenario? A scenario which he had just demolished, showing how ridiculous it was for LM to stand in his murder clothes on Newbattle Rd for an hour after the murder instead of rushing home to destroy evidence and clean up?
No wonder some are saying that Findlay must have thought LM was guilty!

Offline KenMair

Re: Alan Turnbulls closing speech
« Reply #5 on: February 13, 2025, 02:07:01 PM »
It was a matter of time before Findlay was blamed, they've blamed everyone else except the maniac responsible. DF's job is not to presume guilt but to prove that the prosecution case was proved beyond reasonable doubt, which he was unable to do due to the overwhelming circumstantial evidence and the jury not believing LM's sole alibi.

I'm sure he said he spent more time with LM than any other client so doubt he would have deliberately mislead the jury. It's another interesting but futile angle from the remaining campaigners.

Offline Joe Blogs

Re: Alan Turnbulls closing speech
« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2025, 05:52:10 PM »
None the less , Ken, I would certainly agree that it was incredibly odd to say the least for Findlay to mention Bryson seeing LM in his bomber and stating that a LM guilt scenario was quite possible!
Very strange defence tactics indeed!

Offline faithlilly

Re: Alan Turnbulls closing speech
« Reply #7 on: February 13, 2025, 06:46:27 PM »
It was a matter of time before Findlay was blamed, they've blamed everyone else except the maniac responsible. DF's job is not to presume guilt but to prove that the prosecution case was proved beyond reasonable doubt, which he was unable to do due to the overwhelming circumstantial evidence and the jury not believing LM's sole alibi.

I'm sure he said he spent more time with LM than any other client so doubt he would have deliberately mislead the jury. It's another interesting but futile angle from the remaining campaigners.

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Offline KenMair

Re: Alan Turnbulls closing speech
« Reply #8 on: February 13, 2025, 07:18:46 PM »
Sectarianism rules deep in your parts doesn’t it?

What parts are those then?

Findlay is from Fife, so is Turnbull? Findlay successfully defended Paul [Name removed], a catholic, so not sure how your sectarianism theory works. LM was not religious and identified as a teen satanist.

Offline KenMair

Re: Alan Turnbulls closing speech
« Reply #9 on: February 13, 2025, 07:21:43 PM »
None the less , Ken, I would certainly agree that it was incredibly odd to say the least for Findlay to mention Bryson seeing LM in his bomber and stating that a LM guilt scenario was quite possible!
Very strange defence tactics indeed!

I'm sure DF knew what he was doing.

Anyway, welcome aboard Sandra and say hello to your no. 1 fan faithlilly  8((()*/

Offline Joe Blogs

Re: Alan Turnbulls closing speech
« Reply #10 on: February 13, 2025, 07:49:26 PM »
No Sandra's here, Ken! That rumour is nonsense!
As for Faithlilly, I have read her posts for a number of years now on various forums, many of us regard her as a superior authority regarding LM innocence. I am a newbie compared to Faith, she is the master, I am merely a pupil!
I am the fan!

Offline KenMair

Re: Alan Turnbulls closing speech
« Reply #11 on: February 13, 2025, 11:40:57 PM »
No Sandra's here, Ken! That rumour is nonsense!
As for Faithlilly, I have read her posts for a number of years now on various forums, many of us regard her as a superior authority regarding LM innocence. I am a newbie compared to Faith, she is the master, I am merely a pupil!
I am the fan!

Lovely comment, I'm welling up.  8)><(

Considering Sandra has been exposed as a compulsive liar via the court transcripts, your comments only maintain what everyone apart from Mrs Lilly and Chris already know. A desperate last throw of the dice after your microphone and speakers were reclaimed by the bingo wivies.

Offline Joe Blogs

Re: Alan Turnbulls closing speech
« Reply #12 on: February 13, 2025, 11:58:58 PM »
Not so, Ken!
But, you're free to think whatever you wish, and call me whatever you wish!
It will make no difference to my replie's!
They like to call me Jolean over on Twitter, as you probably know!

Offline KenMair

Re: Alan Turnbulls closing speech
« Reply #13 on: Today at 12:14:10 AM »
Not so, Ken!
But, you're free to think whatever you wish, and call me whatever you wish!
It will make no difference to my replie's!
They like to call me Jolean over on Twitter, as you probably know!

I suppose identities are neither here nor there. The fact Ms Lean has been exposed as distorting "facts" to fit an agenda is more important. I'm not sure why yourself or faithlilly would support SL's view compared to court testimonies that proved LM's guilt. There is a website that goes through dozens of SL's book lies if you want to comment on them?

Offline Joe Blogs

Re: Alan Turnbulls closing speech
« Reply #14 on: Today at 12:32:38 AM »
Yes, i'm well aware of all the negative articles concerning Dr Lean, Ken, they're well advertised on Twitter!
Needless to say, I still fully support her!
Goodnight!