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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Is The Tory Party Institutionally Racist....
« Reply #30 on: February 04, 2020, 06:44:45 AM »
Ugh! Me too, along with the ghastly Carry On fims. Anyone want to talk about sexism?
Sure, I’m up for that, seeing as how no one seems interested in discussing Tory racism.
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Offline faithlilly

Re: Is The Tory Party Institutionally Racist....
« Reply #31 on: February 04, 2020, 11:14:51 AM »
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/mar/24/tory-islamophobia-row-15-suspended-councillors-quietly-reinstated?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Tory Islamophobia row: 15 suspended councillors quietly reinstated
 
Guardian investigation finds suspensions lifted despite apparent Islamophobia or racism
Tory members’ online comments deepen Islamophobia row
Frances Perraudin and Simon Murphy
Sun 24 Mar 2019 18.00 GMT Last modified on Fri 5 Apr 2019 09.01 BST

 Cllr Andrew Bowles was readmitted to the party after a 13-day suspension for retweeting a post describing the far-right leader Tommy Robinson as a patriot. Photograph: KMG/SWNS
More than a dozen Conservative councillors who were suspended over posting Islamophobic or racist content online – with some describing Saudis as “sand peasants” and sharing material comparing Asian people to dogs – have had their membership quietly reinstated, a Guardian investigation has found.

The chairman of the Conservative Muslim Forum, Mohammed Amin, called on the party to publish a set of formal disciplinary processes after the Guardian found 15 examples of politicians who posted content that was deemed objectionable.

The findings come amid growing concerns over the Conservative party’s attitude to reports of Islamophobia in a febrile wider climate, with the number of hate crimes against Muslims reported to have risen by 593% in the week after the attack on two New Zealand mosques.


Tory members' online comments deepen Islamophobia row

The Labour mayor of London, Sadiq Khan, told the Observer on Sunday that he had been repeatedly subjected to anti-Muslim abuse from the Tory party’s members and supporters.

James Cleverly, the deputy Tory chairman, has said he disagrees “deeply” with claims from within the party that it is institutionally Islamophobic. On Sunday a spokesperson told the Guardian that the party “acted swiftly, suspending members and launching immediate investigations, in sharp contrast to other parties” when shown evidence of racism.

But after dozens of members were suspended over alleged anti-Muslim comments last week, the Guardian found evidence of five more apparent members who have posted Islamophobic comments online – referring to Muslims as “cavemen” and claiming “most” of the religion’s followers are sex offenders.

The party’s investigation process will come under severe scrutiny after the disclosure that 15 councillors were reinstated despite apparently Islamophobic or racist remarks. The Guardian’s research suggested that in the majority of cases where a councillor was reprimanded for retweeting or sharing offensive content, they were later readmitted to the party. The party said that selective cases did not provide a complete picture of how complaints were dealt with.


This week, the Conservative leader of Swale borough council, Andrew Bowles, was readmitted to the party after a 13-day suspension for retweeting a post that described the far-right leader Tommy Robinson as a patriot, condemned the decision by Facebook and Instagram to ban him and urged people to retweet if they agreed.

He said he had retweeted the post because he supported Robinson’s “right to have his say” and told the Guardian he did not “have any racist or Islamophobic views”.

In June 2017, the Pendle borough council councillor Rosemary Carroll was suspended for three months for sharing a racist joke on Facebook that compared an Asian person to a dog. She claimed she had shared the post by accident. She was allowed back into the Conservative group on the council on the day of the local election count, meaning the party took control of the local authority by one seat.

Rosemary Carroll
 Rosemary Carroll shared a racist joke on social media. Photograph: PendleConservatives/Facebook
A councillor on Dover district council, Bob Frost, quit the party last year after being suspended for a third time for offensive social media posts. He was suspended in 2011 after he joked with another Facebook user about the London riots: “I can assure you that all the bunnies here are of the woodland variety rather than jungle,” he said. He later said he had been referring to “the urban jungle”.

In 2015 he was suspended for joking that he had told a Big Issue seller to “f**ck off back to Romania”. Later that year he described Saudi men as “sand peasants” in a tweet.

He was suspended again in May and told the Guardian in an email: “I have indeed now left the Conservative party as I didn’t wish to waste either mine or their time with suspension (which is apparently de rigueur nowadays when anyone claims someone has been using hurty words).” He described the situation as “a load of bollocks conjured up by a load of humourless lefties”.

The Solihull borough council councillor Jeff Potts was suspended in September after retweeting a post that said Muslims should to be deported or terrorists would “kill innocent people for generations to come”. A further retweet read: “You’ve clearly not experienced the Pakistani hospitality, having a daughter raped by men who think she’s ‘white trash’.” In November it emerged he had been readmitted to the party, though he is still sitting as an independent on the council.

Amin said his party had historically been slow in “coming to terms with the way our country had changed over the last 60s years”. “There is a problem, in my view, particularly at grassroots level, with far too many people who have absorbed anti-Muslim bigotry, because there is quite a lot of it around,” he said.

“In terms of terrorism carried out in the name of Islam – 9/11, 7/7 etc – it’s quite easy to see where these anti-Muslim ideas come from. But the party as a whole, in my view, hasn’t succeeded in getting to grips with that.”

“There is one fundamental change that is required,” Amin said. “There needs to be a more transparent process, much clearer criteria, which are published. Not just criteria for suspending people but criteria for unsuspending people.

“I personally don’t necessarily have a problem with unsuspending people who have apologised and undergone diversity training, for example. But what we need is a clear published rule book.”

 Miqdaad Versi of the Muslim Council of Britain
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 Miqdaad Versi of the Muslim Council of Britain said it seemed the party ‘wants to sweep this issue under the carpet’. Photograph: Martin Godwin/The Guardian
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A Conservative spokesman said: “Discrimination or abuse of any kind is wrong. When CCHQ has been made aware of the small number of such cases we have acted swiftly, suspending members and launching immediate investigations, in sharp contrast to other parties.

“Our complaints process is rightly a confidential one but there are a wide range of sanctions to challenge and change behaviour, including conditions to undertake training, a period of suspension and expulsion, and these are applied on a case-by-case basis.”

Not all complaints are made to CCHQ (Conservative Campaign Headquarters), and some cases are handled locally.

Other examples of councillors readmitted to the party include the Calderdale councillor Mike Payne, who was suspended after it emerged he had posted an article entitled “France slashes benefits to Muslim parasites by 83%” on his Facebook and Twitter accounts in 2013 before he was a councillor. He has since been reinstated.


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The article said France was “no longer able to hold back the crowd of Muslim invaders, many of whom do not want to integrate into the social and economic life of their new home country, and are content to live off the state and breed like rabbits”.

Miqdaad Versi, assistant secretary general of the Muslim Council of Britain, said: “It’s clear to me that the party wants to sweep this issue under the carpet and it cares more about the public image than stopping racism have a hold in the party.”

“At the very minimum they need to have an independent person look at this. I don’t think people really have trust that the chair of the party has any handle on the situation whatsoever.”

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/nov/19/tory-aberdeen-candidate-ryan-houghton-suspended-holocaust-tweets

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/general-election-tory-candidate-suspended-islamophobia-racism-flora-scarabello-a9220406.html

https://www.itv.com/news/2019-12-07/three-tory-candidates-face-party-probe-over-anti-semitism-allegations/



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Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: Is The Tory Party Institutionally Racist....
« Reply #32 on: February 04, 2020, 07:58:45 PM »
This is getting rather dull now. It’s good to see that you and MIT actually do have something in common though.


"It’s good to see that you and MIT actually do have something in common though."

Say what???!

 ^*&&


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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Is The Tory Party Institutionally Racist....
« Reply #33 on: February 04, 2020, 08:00:45 PM »

"It’s good to see that you and MIT actually do have something in common though."

Say what???!

 ^*&&
Don’t worry, we don’t really.
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Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: Is The Tory Party Institutionally Racist....
« Reply #34 on: February 04, 2020, 08:11:29 PM »
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/mar/24/tory-islamophobia-row-15-suspended-councillors-quietly-reinstated?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Tory Islamophobia row: 15 suspended councillors quietly reinstated
 
Guardian investigation finds suspensions lifted despite apparent Islamophobia or racism
Tory members’ online comments deepen Islamophobia row
Frances Perraudin and Simon Murphy
Sun 24 Mar 2019 18.00 GMT Last modified on Fri 5 Apr 2019 09.01 BST

 Cllr Andrew Bowles was readmitted to the party after a 13-day suspension for retweeting a post describing the far-right leader Tommy Robinson as a patriot. Photograph: KMG/SWNS
More than a dozen Conservative councillors who were suspended over posting Islamophobic or racist content online – with some describing Saudis as “sand peasants” and sharing material comparing Asian people to dogs – have had their membership quietly reinstated, a Guardian investigation has found.

The chairman of the Conservative Muslim Forum, Mohammed Amin, called on the party to publish a set of formal disciplinary processes after the Guardian found 15 examples of politicians who posted content that was deemed objectionable.

The findings come amid growing concerns over the Conservative party’s attitude to reports of Islamophobia in a febrile wider climate, with the number of hate crimes against Muslims reported to have risen by 593% in the week after the attack on two New Zealand mosques.


Tory members' online comments deepen Islamophobia row

The Labour mayor of London, Sadiq Khan, told the Observer on Sunday that he had been repeatedly subjected to anti-Muslim abuse from the Tory party’s members and supporters.

James Cleverly, the deputy Tory chairman, has said he disagrees “deeply” with claims from within the party that it is institutionally Islamophobic. On Sunday a spokesperson told the Guardian that the party “acted swiftly, suspending members and launching immediate investigations, in sharp contrast to other parties” when shown evidence of racism.

But after dozens of members were suspended over alleged anti-Muslim comments last week, the Guardian found evidence of five more apparent members who have posted Islamophobic comments online – referring to Muslims as “cavemen” and claiming “most” of the religion’s followers are sex offenders.

The party’s investigation process will come under severe scrutiny after the disclosure that 15 councillors were reinstated despite apparently Islamophobic or racist remarks. The Guardian’s research suggested that in the majority of cases where a councillor was reprimanded for retweeting or sharing offensive content, they were later readmitted to the party. The party said that selective cases did not provide a complete picture of how complaints were dealt with.


This week, the Conservative leader of Swale borough council, Andrew Bowles, was readmitted to the party after a 13-day suspension for retweeting a post that described the far-right leader Tommy Robinson as a patriot, condemned the decision by Facebook and Instagram to ban him and urged people to retweet if they agreed.

He said he had retweeted the post because he supported Robinson’s “right to have his say” and told the Guardian he did not “have any racist or Islamophobic views”.

In June 2017, the Pendle borough council councillor Rosemary Carroll was suspended for three months for sharing a racist joke on Facebook that compared an Asian person to a dog. She claimed she had shared the post by accident. She was allowed back into the Conservative group on the council on the day of the local election count, meaning the party took control of the local authority by one seat.

Rosemary Carroll
 Rosemary Carroll shared a racist joke on social media. Photograph: PendleConservatives/Facebook
A councillor on Dover district council, Bob Frost, quit the party last year after being suspended for a third time for offensive social media posts. He was suspended in 2011 after he joked with another Facebook user about the London riots: “I can assure you that all the bunnies here are of the woodland variety rather than jungle,” he said. He later said he had been referring to “the urban jungle”.

In 2015 he was suspended for joking that he had told a Big Issue seller to “f**ck off back to Romania”. Later that year he described Saudi men as “sand peasants” in a tweet.

He was suspended again in May and told the Guardian in an email: “I have indeed now left the Conservative party as I didn’t wish to waste either mine or their time with suspension (which is apparently de rigueur nowadays when anyone claims someone has been using hurty words).” He described the situation as “a load of bollocks conjured up by a load of humourless lefties”.

The Solihull borough council councillor Jeff Potts was suspended in September after retweeting a post that said Muslims should to be deported or terrorists would “kill innocent people for generations to come”. A further retweet read: “You’ve clearly not experienced the Pakistani hospitality, having a daughter raped by men who think she’s ‘white trash’.” In November it emerged he had been readmitted to the party, though he is still sitting as an independent on the council.

Amin said his party had historically been slow in “coming to terms with the way our country had changed over the last 60s years”. “There is a problem, in my view, particularly at grassroots level, with far too many people who have absorbed anti-Muslim bigotry, because there is quite a lot of it around,” he said.

“In terms of terrorism carried out in the name of Islam – 9/11, 7/7 etc – it’s quite easy to see where these anti-Muslim ideas come from. But the party as a whole, in my view, hasn’t succeeded in getting to grips with that.”

“There is one fundamental change that is required,” Amin said. “There needs to be a more transparent process, much clearer criteria, which are published. Not just criteria for suspending people but criteria for unsuspending people.

“I personally don’t necessarily have a problem with unsuspending people who have apologised and undergone diversity training, for example. But what we need is a clear published rule book.”

 Miqdaad Versi of the Muslim Council of Britain
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 Miqdaad Versi of the Muslim Council of Britain said it seemed the party ‘wants to sweep this issue under the carpet’. Photograph: Martin Godwin/The Guardian
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A Conservative spokesman said: “Discrimination or abuse of any kind is wrong. When CCHQ has been made aware of the small number of such cases we have acted swiftly, suspending members and launching immediate investigations, in sharp contrast to other parties.

“Our complaints process is rightly a confidential one but there are a wide range of sanctions to challenge and change behaviour, including conditions to undertake training, a period of suspension and expulsion, and these are applied on a case-by-case basis.”

Not all complaints are made to CCHQ (Conservative Campaign Headquarters), and some cases are handled locally.

Other examples of councillors readmitted to the party include the Calderdale councillor Mike Payne, who was suspended after it emerged he had posted an article entitled “France slashes benefits to Muslim parasites by 83%” on his Facebook and Twitter accounts in 2013 before he was a councillor. He has since been reinstated.


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The article said France was “no longer able to hold back the crowd of Muslim invaders, many of whom do not want to integrate into the social and economic life of their new home country, and are content to live off the state and breed like rabbits”.

Miqdaad Versi, assistant secretary general of the Muslim Council of Britain, said: “It’s clear to me that the party wants to sweep this issue under the carpet and it cares more about the public image than stopping racism have a hold in the party.”

“At the very minimum they need to have an independent person look at this. I don’t think people really have trust that the chair of the party has any handle on the situation whatsoever.”

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/nov/19/tory-aberdeen-candidate-ryan-houghton-suspended-holocaust-tweets

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/general-election-tory-candidate-suspended-islamophobia-racism-flora-scarabello-a9220406.html

https://www.itv.com/news/2019-12-07/three-tory-candidates-face-party-probe-over-anti-semitism-allegations/

Islamophobia and anti-Semite taken totally out of context in most cases IMO.  It is all about feelings BEING HURT ON OTHERS BEHALF and nothing to do about reporting situations/problems and issues. I know of no one who has actual phobia of Islam- made up word!  I know many including many muslims who have issues with certain sections of muslim population.  We won't talk about forced marriages-honour killings- acid punishments, FGM and grooming gangs drugging and pimping underage 'white sluts' (not my words) for sex.

Spare me the racist chants I get it already and don't care.

The Muslim Council of Britain?  do you know these people and their affiliations ?  Perhaps the Guardian can dig deeper into their 'business'.
'Never underestimate the power of stupid people'... George Carlin

Offline faithlilly

Re: Is The Tory Party Institutionally Racist....
« Reply #35 on: February 04, 2020, 08:20:39 PM »
Islamophobia and anti-Semite taken totally out of context in most cases IMO.  It is all about feelings BEING HURT ON OTHERS BEHALF and nothing to do about reporting situations/problems and issues. I know of no one who has actual phobia of Islam- made up word!  I know many including many muslims who have issues with certain sections of muslim population.  We won't talk about forced marriages-honour killings- acid punishments, FGM and grooming gangs drugging and pimping underage 'white sluts' (not my words) for sex.

Spare me the racist chants I get it already and don't care.

The Muslim Council of Britain?  do you know these people and their affiliations ?  Perhaps the Guardian can dig deeper into their 'business'.

It’s okay to be blasé about racism when you aren’t the victim.

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Is The Tory Party Institutionally Racist....
« Reply #36 on: February 04, 2020, 08:22:26 PM »
It’s okay to be blasé about racism when you aren’t the victim.
No it’s not.
Mare's eat oat's and doe's eat oat's and little lamb's eat ivy.

Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: Is The Tory Party Institutionally Racist....
« Reply #37 on: February 04, 2020, 08:31:03 PM »
It’s okay to be blasé about racism when you aren’t the victim.

My Husband is from Afghanistan. His whole family bar one brother was slaughtered/tortured by the taliban- some sought asylum here!

 What do you want to teach me about Muslims having to put up with Islamophobia exactly? I have already mentioned many victims who are Muslims of certain REAL crimes committed by Muslims.
Name calling is pathetic, but hardly  warrants being classed as a criminal. FGS let's keep it real.
'Never underestimate the power of stupid people'... George Carlin

Offline faithlilly

Re: Is The Tory Party Institutionally Racist....
« Reply #38 on: February 04, 2020, 08:32:44 PM »
No it’s not.

For the hard of thinking shall in substitute easy for okay ?

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Is The Tory Party Institutionally Racist....
« Reply #39 on: February 04, 2020, 08:37:04 PM »
For the hard of thinking shall in substitute easy for okay ?
Do what you like you rude lady.
Mare's eat oat's and doe's eat oat's and little lamb's eat ivy.

Offline faithlilly

Re: Is The Tory Party Institutionally Racist....
« Reply #40 on: February 04, 2020, 08:42:44 PM »
My Husband is from Afghanistan. His whole family bar one brother was slaughtered/tortured by the taliban- some sought asylum here!

 What do you want to teach me about Muslims having to put up with Islamophobia exactly? I have already mentioned many victims who are Muslims of certain REAL crimes committed by Muslims.
Name calling is pathetic, but hardly  warrants being classed as a criminal. FGS let's keep it real.

I’m not sure the point you are making ? Black people commit crimes against black people, Chinese people commit crimes against Chinese people....and ? Should we just turn a blind eye to the real, pernicious spread of racism in this country because their own race do worse to each other ?

I would hate for your husband or any of his relations after suffering so horrifically in their homeland to be faced with the same cruelty and violence here simply because of their race, religion or nationality.

Offline faithlilly

Re: Is The Tory Party Institutionally Racist....
« Reply #41 on: February 04, 2020, 08:44:35 PM »
Do what you like you rude lady.

I’m not rude and unless you really are intellectually challenged it was abundantly clear what I meant....MIT certainly knew.

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Is The Tory Party Institutionally Racist....
« Reply #42 on: February 04, 2020, 08:58:07 PM »
I’m not rude and unless you really are intellectually challenged it was abundantly clear what I meant....MIT certainly knew.
Yup I’m definitely intellectually challenged, as well as deluded and all the other insults you want to throw at me.  I was simply pointing out that we shouldn’t be blase about racism, and it’s interesting that you are attacking me for saying so.
Mare's eat oat's and doe's eat oat's and little lamb's eat ivy.

Offline faithlilly

Re: Is The Tory Party Institutionally Racist....
« Reply #43 on: February 04, 2020, 09:05:01 PM »
Yup I’m definitely intellectually challenged, as well as deluded and all the other insults you want to throw at me.  I was simply pointing out that we shouldn’t be blase about racism, and it’s interesting that you are attacking me for saying so.

I’m not attacking you...I was merely pointing out that my meaning was clear....except to you it would seem.

You know what Alfie....let’s just rejoice in a meeting of minds...for once.

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Is The Tory Party Institutionally Racist....
« Reply #44 on: February 04, 2020, 09:07:41 PM »
I’m not attacking you...I was merely pointing out that my meaning was clear....except to you it would seem.

You know what Alfie....let’s just rejoice in a meeting of minds...for once.
Nah..  *&^^&
Mare's eat oat's and doe's eat oat's and little lamb's eat ivy.