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Offline Angelo222

Re: British History Matters!
« Reply #15 on: June 11, 2020, 08:34:28 PM »
My thoughts are....

Colonisation & slavery happened & people need to get over it, it's in the past & we can't change it.

Black people have long since had the same rights, freedom & opportunities as every other man or woman in this country.

Black Lives Matter are a bunch of domestic terrorists who hate the police.

They wilfully ignore the wider issue of black on black killings, instead focusing on the tiny minority of unarmed blacks killed by cops.

In the USA there has been arson, rioting, looting, dozens left dead, including a black police officer & 77 year old retired black cop (killed by a black looter).

Black Lives Matter caused this & they don't give a shit about any of it.

Unfortunately the rancid, hate fuelled cancer that is Black Lives Matter has spread all around the globe, including here in Britain where thugs have been rioting, vandalising & attacking the police, all in the name of social justice.

I never owned a slave & neither did my father or grandfather.

I am white & British, I was born that way, I can't change it & I have nothing to apologise for.

I support those views, the GB BLM organisation is a criminal organisation imo and should be shut down now.

I think those numpties subscribing to BLM should read a few African history books. Slavery was a means to an end in Africa, if your tribe conquered another tribe you took the survivors as slaves and so it went on. Eventually the Africans realised that they could get more from the white man for their slaves and thus the international trade in slaves was born.

If blacks want to blame somebody for slavery I suggest they blame their own kin.
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Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: British History Matters!
« Reply #16 on: June 11, 2020, 08:40:09 PM »
I support those views, the GB BLM organisation is a criminal organisation imo and should be shut down now.


It can't & won't be shut down because it has the support of most of liberal Britain & there would be cries of racism & riots, by people who don't realise what the organisations demands really are & are sucked in by the virtue signalling anti racism propaganda.


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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: British History Matters!
« Reply #17 on: June 11, 2020, 09:26:31 PM »
I support those views, the GB BLM organisation is a criminal organisation imo and should be shut down now.

I think those numpties subscribing to BLM should read a few African history books. Slavery was a means to an end in Africa, if your tribe conquered another tribe you took the survivors as slaves and so it went on. Eventually the Africans realised that they could get more from the white man for their slaves and thus the international trade in slaves was born.

If blacks want to blame somebody for slavery I suggest they blame their own kin.
As well as the many European countries that built their wealth on the back of slaves. There is no doubt it was an abhorrent business, but then many things that were comsidered perfectly acceptable then are rightly considered abhorrent now.  Which of our historical figures pre-19th century did not approve of slavery, was not a racist, objected to public floggings and executions, didn’t treat women and children like shit, etc etc etc ?  Are we to disown our history and our historical figures because most don’t conform to our modern standards of morality and decency? 

As an aside my STBXH just told me that the last time he was in Edinburgh queueing at a shop till-point, he spoke to the friend who was with him about getting a present for his son and the  bloke in front of him turned round and yelled “f..k off back to England you c..t.”   Now if my STBXH had been black, and had been told to f..k off back to Africa that Scottish prick would be doing time in prison. 
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Offline Admin

Re: British History Matters!
« Reply #18 on: June 11, 2020, 09:49:38 PM »
As well as the many European countries that built their wealth on the back of slaves. There is no doubt it was an abhorrent business, but then many things that were comsidered perfectly acceptable then are rightly considered abhorrent now.  Which of our historical figures pre-19th century did not approve of slavery, was not a racist, objected to public floggings and executions, didn’t treat women and children like shit, etc etc etc ?  Are we to disown our history and our historical figures because most don’t conform to our modern standards of morality and decency? 


A lady in Poole asked the Sky News reporter who was interviewing her this morning if the pyramids should be tumbled now as a symbol of oppression and slavery.

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: British History Matters!
« Reply #19 on: June 11, 2020, 09:54:14 PM »
A lady in Poole asked the Sky News reporter who was interviewing her this morning if the pyramids should be tumbled now as a symbol of oppression and slavery.
I say don’t be giving people ideas.  Although the pyramids were allegedly not built by slaves, but master craftsmen paid a wage. 
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Offline Admin

Re: British History Matters!
« Reply #20 on: June 11, 2020, 09:59:47 PM »
I say don’t be giving people ideas.  Although the pyramids were allegedly not built by slaves, but master craftsmen paid a wage.

I believe the African slaves provided the muscle.

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: British History Matters!
« Reply #21 on: June 11, 2020, 10:18:35 PM »
I believe the African slaves provided the muscle.
I believe the heavy lifting was done by spaceships.
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Offline Erngath

Re: British History Matters!
« Reply #22 on: June 11, 2020, 10:54:11 PM »
As well as the many European countries that built their wealth on the back of slaves. There is no doubt it was an abhorrent business, but then many things that were comsidered perfectly acceptable then are rightly considered abhorrent now.  Which of our historical figures pre-19th century did not approve of slavery, was not a racist, objected to public floggings and executions, didn’t treat women and children like shit, etc etc etc ?  Are we to disown our history and our historical figures because most don’t conform to our modern standards of morality and decency? 

As an aside my STBXH just told me that the last time he was in Edinburgh queueing at a shop till-point, he spoke to the friend who was with him about getting a present for his son and the  bloke in front of him turned round and yelled “f..k off back to England you c..t.”   Now if my STBXH had been black, and had been told to f..k off back to Africa that Scottish prick would be doing time in prison.

Yes much the same was said to my Irish forebears who emigrated here.
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Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: British History Matters!
« Reply #23 on: June 12, 2020, 01:15:39 AM »
Here are some statistics from the U.S.A that Black Lives Matter supporters are either unaware of or choose to ignore.


Statistics Do Not Support The Claim Of ‘Systemic Police Racism’

In 2019 police officers fatally shot 1,004 people, most of whom were armed or otherwise dangerous. African-Americans were about a quarter of those killed by cops last year (235), a ratio that has remained stable since 2015. That share of black victims is less than what the black crime rate would predict, since police shootings are a function of how often officers encounter armed and violent suspects. In 2018, the latest year for which such data have been published, African-Americans made up 53% of known homicide offenders in the U.S. and commit about 60% of robberies, though they are 13% of the population.


The police fatally shot nine unarmed blacks and 19 unarmed whites in 2019, according to a Washington Post database, down from 38 and 32, respectively, in 2015. The Post defines “unarmed” broadly to include such cases as a suspect in Newark, N.J., who had a loaded handgun in his car during a police chase. In 2018 there were 7,407 black homicide victims. Assuming a comparable number of victims last year, those nine unarmed black victims of police shootings represent 0.1% of all African-Americans killed in 2019.

By contrast, a police officer is 18½ times more likely to be killed by a black male than an unarmed black male is to be killed by a police officer.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/mac-donald-statistics-do-not-support-the-claim-of-systemic-police-racism?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=benshapiro
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Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: British History Matters!
« Reply #24 on: June 12, 2020, 01:54:22 AM »


These protests have nothing to do with racism

Black Lives Matter UK is pushing a debilitating, fact-free victim narrative.


INAYA FOLARIN IMAN

8th June 2020

In an already fractious social context, what has been perceived by some to be a racially motivated killing – the murder of George Floyd by a police officer in the US – has sparked protests and riots across America. These protests have spilled over into the UK and have amalgamated into a wider crusade against what is claimed to be ‘systemic’ racism and injustice.

But far from working to address social injustice and extreme inequality, the dominant narratives emerging from the Black Lives Matter (BLM) protests simply recycle and rehabilitate tired, divisive, unfounded, counterproductive and destructive arguments. These protests threaten to wind the clock back on race relations and social progress in the UK.

The UK BLM protests are not about racial injustice. It is one thing to march ‘in solidarity’ and to demand justice. But what we are seeing here is a concerted effort to construct an all-encompassing mythology about what it means to be black in the world today – one that essentialises the black experience to be one of racism, oppression and victimisation, irrespective of any facts to the contrary. This pseudo-radical movement robs people of their agency and manipulates the goodwill of others.

The attempt by these protesters to compare race relations in America to those in Britain is ridiculous and insulting. The two countries have vastly different histories and contexts. There is of course a history of racism here, but Britain today is a very different place to that of 30 or 40 years ago.

We cannot change the past, only our present and our future. By binding people down by their history, we are sending a deeply demoralising message to a young generation of black people in the UK, people who are living in a society that has made leaps and bounds when it comes to racial equality. Despite polls consistently showing high levels of trust in police and faith in British democracy among black people in the UK, and despite the current cabinet being among the most diverse ever, BLM activists are determined to argue that British society is riddled with racism.

There are genuine and legitimate social ills that are disproportionately plaguing people of black and minority-ethnic heritage – such as the grotesque levels of knife crime among youths in London, the disproportionate number of deaths from Covid-19, and ongoing unfair treatment in the immigration system. But if we are to address these complex issues, we need to look at a range of contributing factors. Racism no doubt plays a part in some of the disadvantages people face. But the kneejerk assumption that all racialised outcomes and disparities are a result of racism does a huge disservice to those who are most affected by these problems. Targeted and nuanced solutions get drowned out by blanket generalisations.

What’s more, the diversity of BAME voices on these issues is being erased. There are many different ideas of what progress, equality and fairness looks like, and how we could achieve those goals. But the one-dimensional narrative about white privilege, systemic racism and black victimhood is purported to be self-evidently true and indisputable.

Several misleading statistics have been used to paint a picture of the UK as a racist society. One example is deaths in police custody. In reality, as the BBC has noted, ‘over the past 10 years, 163 people have died in or following police custody in England and Wales’. Of the 163, 13 were black. In fact, over the past 10 years, ‘a white individual who has been arrested was about 25 per cent more likely to die in custody than a black individual who had been arrested’. No one should die unnecessarily in police custody. But as the figures show, this problem is hardly an example of an epidemic of systemic racism in policing in Britain.

Many BAME people have come from or are the children of recent immigrants to the UK. It takes time for things to change, to build intergenerational wealth, and to move up the social ladder. But this is happening for many, although it is happening at different rates for different groups (which further complicates the ‘systemic racism’ argument). An example of this is the achievements of British-Nigerian children. According to the Institute for Public Policy Research, the proportion of British-Nigerian pupils who gained 5 A*–C grades at GCSE (including maths and English) in 2010-11 was 21.8 percentage points higher than the England mean of 56.9 per cent, and much higher than the attainment of white British and British Jamaican children.

Another example of things getting better is representation in the media. A recent report by the Creative Diversity Network (CDN) found that BAME on-screen representation is at a ‘remarkable’ 23 per cent — this figure is actually higher than the BAME share of the British general population, which is estimated to be 14 per cent.

In society at large, the trends are positive. Interracial relationships have significantly increased over the past 10 years. Although this is not full proof that social and cultural boundaries are diminishing, it is a strong indication that they are beginning to. Far-right politics in the UK, meanwhile, has collapsed, and social-attitudes surveys consistently show that racial prejudice is in long-term decline in the UK.

There is much more that needs improving. But I fundamentally reject the overly negative characterisation of British society we are being presented with, and I begrudge being homogenised into a narrative that does not speak to my reality or my experience.

The goodwill and naivety of many is being exploited to push a toxic agenda. An agenda that, if taken to its logical conclusion, would produce a new form of racial prejudice. As we’ve seen, groups of white people at protests are kneeling, apologising and begging for forgiveness for actions they did not commit, in a depressing display of self-flagellation and white guilt. It’s embarrassing. And it does absolutely nothing to move society forward. No ideas or policies are being offered – there is just virtue-signalling, power games and a pathetic spectacle that will only breed resentment and lead to a further descent into social disorientation.

The last few days have been mentally exhausting, but also incredibly revealing. Anti-racism is no longer about fighting for the right of all people to be seen as individuals. It has become a corporation-endorsed movement about making meaningless gestures that do little to address complex issues. It has become a movement that refuses to look at the root of the problems it claims to care about.

If you want to change society, start with yourself, start at home. I do not need to be told that my life matters. I know that my life matters, and I do not define my self-worth by the validation of others. White people owe me nothing and I expect nothing from them, other than basic respect for me as a human being.

https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/06/08/these-protests-have-nothing-to-do-with-racism/
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Offline Eleanor

Re: British History Matters!
« Reply #25 on: June 12, 2020, 06:52:27 AM »
I support those views, the GB BLM organisation is a criminal organisation imo and should be shut down now.

I think those numpties subscribing to BLM should read a few African history books. Slavery was a means to an end in Africa, if your tribe conquered another tribe you took the survivors as slaves and so it went on. Eventually the Africans realised that they could get more from the white man for their slaves and thus the international trade in slaves was born.

If blacks want to blame somebody for slavery I suggest they blame their own kin.

This is true.

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: British History Matters!
« Reply #26 on: June 12, 2020, 07:21:18 AM »
Thanks for the article Spam, she makes some excellent points.
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Offline Eleanor

Re: British History Matters!
« Reply #27 on: June 12, 2020, 07:38:27 AM »

Who was it who said that this debacle is causing Racism?

Jessica Mulroney, the best friend of the most famous mixed race person on The Planet is accused of Racism and fired from Television Shows.

Offline faithlilly

Re: British History Matters!
« Reply #28 on: June 12, 2020, 12:45:16 PM »
Doesn’t it warm the cockles to see a group of white people bonding over a white writers view on racial politics.

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: British History Matters!
« Reply #29 on: June 12, 2020, 12:52:46 PM »
Doesn’t it warm the cockles to see a group of white people bonding over a white writers view on racial politics.

Did you mean the article I shared?

If so, I think you'll find that Inaya Folarin Iman is very much black.
However, she did stand for the brexit party in the last election.
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