It's an opinion which is held by many and which will affect how people see Charles III and his wife.
Rest in Peace
Queen Elizabeth 2nd has died
RIP
I love this little true story about Her.
https://twitter.com/davidmackau/status/1567894552744271872
Henry VIII beheaded his wives when their marriage went sour, so Diana got away lightly really.
It was 25 years ago anyway, Camilla has been accepted by the family, the boys have got over it all, I was reading earlier how Harry said of Camilla 'she's not a wicked stepmother'.
I still don't even get what was so great about Diana in the first place?
The mass hysteria when she died was quite bizarre.
I think it's about what people think it tells them about the character of the King.
I think you should make your feelings known privately, although why anyone would care escapes me.I think whoever tweets such ill-considered tweets should make their feelings known privately. Ever heard of the saying "if you can't say something nice, say nothing at all?" Yesterday certainly was not the day for such sentiment, nor today or the rest of this period of mourning IMO.
Today is the first day of a ten-day period of official mourning for the Queen. At lunchtime MPs will begin tributes to the late monarch which will continue until 10PM, before resuming again all day on Saturday.What would you suggest happen instead?
There will be no significant government announcements at any point and Parliament is unlikely to resume, for any significant period, until next month. Campaigning by all the major parties has been stopped. Meanwhile civil servants will be advised to wear black and an official ‘guide to national mourning’ will be issued by the government.
As inflation soars and thousands of small businesses risk going bust, democracy in the UK will effectively come grinding to a halt.
After a long summer in which the work of government all but ended, in order to allow the Conservative Party to talk to itself for seven weeks, we have now been thrown back into yet another period of stasis.
While the work of government will continue, our new Prime Minister, who is about to implement a series of policies with massive implications for the UK economy, will face little scrutiny.
Whatever your views of the Queen and the monarchy, this is hard to justify.
Today is the first day of a ten-day period of official mourning for the Queen. At lunchtime MPs will begin tributes to the late monarch which will continue until 10PM, before resuming again all day on Saturday.
There will be no significant government announcements at any point and Parliament is unlikely to resume, for any significant period, until next month. Campaigning by all the major parties has been stopped. Meanwhile civil servants will be advised to wear black and an official ‘guide to national mourning’ will be issued by the government.
As inflation soars and thousands of small businesses risk going bust, democracy in the UK will effectively come grinding to a halt.
After a long summer in which the work of government all but ended, in order to allow the Conservative Party to talk to itself for seven weeks, we have now been thrown back into yet another period of stasis.
While the work of government will continue, our new Prime Minister, who is about to implement a series of policies with massive implications for the UK economy, will face little scrutiny.
Whatever your views of the Queen and the monarchy, this is hard to justify.
I think it's about what people think it tells them about the character of the King.
I have respect for the Queen but personally would like to see it end there now. Megan must be delighted her children will now prince and princess...great for marketing.
Of course it tells them nothing. You can’t help who you love.
Do you think Charles' marriage to Diana was a love match?
Do you think Charles' marriage to Diana was a love match?Of course it wasn’t. It was a marriage of convenience for him (who was still in love with Camilla, by now married herself), though Diana was obviously madly in love with him. Does that make him unsuitable to be king? I would say it was pretty par for the course. Anyway that’s all in the past, he is seemingly with the right partner now and has 10-20 years or so to live out his destiny (all being well), so good luck to him.
Of course it wasn’t. It was a marriage of convenience for him (who was still in love with Camilla, by now married herself), though Diana was obviously madly in love with him. Does that make him unsuitable to be king? I would say it was pretty par for the course. Anyway that’s all in the past, he is seemingly with the right partner now and has 10-20 years or so to live out his destiny (all being well), so good luck to him.
Some people would like their King to be an honourable man. They would say leopards don't change their spots.And some people just like to be horribly judgemental and unforgiving. I’m quite happy for Charles to be king, and it doesn’t matter even if I wasn’t. He IS the king like it or not, so unless you plan to go the full Oliver Cromwell and mount a roundhead rebellion you’d best start learning to live with it.
Some people would like their King to be an honourable man. They would say leopards don't change their spots.
And some people just like to be horribly judgemental and unforgiving. I’m quite happy for Charles to be king, and it doesn’t matter even if I wasn’t. He IS the king like it or not, so unless you plan to go the full Oliver Cromwell and mount a roundhead rebellion you’d best start learning to live with it.
This comment is a disgrace. And no mention of Diana being dishonourable in the first instance.
And a beautiful and moving tribute to his mother in his first address to the nation will hopefully earn him some respect from his naysayers.
You are always quick to criticise even if the views expressed are widely held. In 2019 a survey by BMG Research on behalf of The Independent found 46 per cent of Britons want the first in line to the throne to abdicate immediately to allow the Duke of Cambridge to take the throne.It was your insinuation that Charles is not an honourable man that I believe Eleanor took exception to. Is now really the time to be making such nasty comments?
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/prince-charles-heir-throne-abdicated-william-queen-dies-death-next-in-line-public-opinion-a8704316.html
Just because you prefer your own opinions there are other opinions which are not 'disgraceful' just because they're different than your own.
Although from experience, some women can send you potty, down the pan and round the bend.
I don't know about anyone else but I am feeling quite desolate and unable to fully process that this has happened.
I did believe that The Queen would go on for a while yet
However, I do expect King Charles the Third to do a fine and noble job, even if in his own way.
I don't know about anyone else but I am feeling quite desolate and unable to fully process that this has happened.It was always going to happen sooner or later but that doesn’t make it any less sad or hard to process. I think once the funeral is over we can start to view this as a new beginning and try and embrace some sense of optimism about the future. I take a little bit of comfort from news such as Ukraine having some success in regaining territory from the Russians, King Charles’ assured, reassuring and heartfelt address to the nation, even the two princes and their wives appearing in public together sends a positive message of forgiveness and reconciliation. One has to grasp these little glimmers of hope and positivity where one can at the moment, and try not to dwell too much on the negative, overwhelming though it can sometimes seem. It’s a massively turbulent time for our nation - a new PM and a new Head of State in under a week, it’s alot to got one’s head around.
I did believe that The Queen would go on for a while yet
However, I do expect King Charles the Third to do a fine and noble job, even if in his own way.
Someone said this recently (and it may have been someone I don't usually agree with like JRM or Bojo, but I think it is a good observation) and I paraphrase:
The monarch unites us, while the politicians divide us.
More unity and less division would be good IMO!
We're very lucky to have a monarchy which can be the focus for unity. Polititians can never provide that because their whole purpose is to further the interests of the members of their own parties. They are always aware of that, no matter how much they insist that they act in the national interest.
We're very lucky to have a monarchy which can be the focus for unity. Polititians can never provide that because their whole purpose is to further the interests of the members of their own parties. They are always aware of that, no matter how much they insist that they act in the national interest.Personally I think that's cynical nonsense. Was the NHS set up to further the interests of Labour Party members? Is support for the Ukranians and capping energy prices done simply to further the interests of Tory Party members? Of course all politicians will be mindful of their support base, but many if not most politicians go into politics because they believe they can improve the country they live in and the lives of those that live in it, not to get rich and not to fulfill some sinister agenda. IMO.
Personally I think that's cynical nonsense. Was the NHS set up to further the interests of Labour Party members? Is support for the Ukranians and capping energy prices done simply to further the interests of Tory Party members? Of course all politicians will be mindful of their support base, but many if not most politicians go into politics because they believe they can improve the country they live in and the lives of those that live in it, not to get rich and not to fulfill some sinister agenda. IMO.
Personally I think that's cynical nonsense. Was the NHS set up to further the interests of Labour Party members? Is support for the Ukranians and capping energy prices done simply to further the interests of Tory Party members? Of course all politicians will be mindful of their support base, but many if not most politicians go into politics because they believe they can improve the country they live in and the lives of those that live in it, not to get rich and not to fulfill some sinister agenda. IMO.
It's not cynical, it's factual.It’s not factual, it’s your opinion.
It’s not factual, it’s your opinion.
Well, I have no idea why people stand for Parliament, but I have seen what happens if 'they' decide it's time someone resigned. They resign.I have no idea what that has got to do with anything I have written on this thread thus far.
Is everyone in agreement that the death of The Queen is very sad?
Personally, I am gutted, but I don't expect everyone to feel as bad as I do.
Is everyone in agreement that the death of The Queen is very sad?I agree it is very sad, but I’m not as sad as I will be when my mum or dad die, which is something I am absolutely dreading. I have never lost a close relative and I just don’t know how I will cope with it.
Personally, I am gutted, but I don't expect everyone to feel as bad as I do.
I agree it is very sad, but I’m not as sad as I will be when my mum or dad die, which is something I am absolutely dreading. I have never lost a close relative and I just don’t know how I will cope with it.
Royals stand vigil over Queen's coffin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nYTqQO1yFk
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Royals stand vigil over Queen's coffin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nYTqQO1yFk
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I am sort of glad that she died in Scotland where she so obviously loved to be.
I am sort of glad that she died in Scotland where she so obviously loved to be.The outpouring of affection and respect for her from the Scottish and even from Nicola Sturgeon has been quite surprising to me and quite heart-warming.
A young man gave Andrew some verbal abuse during the procession today.
Thankfully other members of the crowd weren't having it.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/tnBD9iDgoPM
The outpouring of affection and respect for her from the Scottish and even from Nicola Sturgeon has been quite surprising to me and quite heart-warming.
Awful and not even true. Prince Andrew has my sympathy. All he did was to stand by someone he thought was a friend and nothing else has ever been proved.I don’t think he’s a very nice person and he may very well be “a sad old man” as the heckler shouted out but today, as he walked behind his mother’s coffin, was not the day for such disrespect (to the Queen and the other family members). One thing that annoys me somewhat is those who insist on calling him a paedophile - he is not one of them, as far as I am aware.
Awful and not even true. Prince Andrew has my sympathy. All he did was to stand by someone he thought was a friend and nothing else has ever been proved.
It's very easy to forget sometimes that although they are shape-shifting lizards, they are also a real family with real emotions.
They have been on the go since last week with barely a moments privacy to grieve.
Honestly, I'm not often offended by anything & have frequently, jokingly, expressed opinions that any normal human being would find utterly abhorrent, but I think that young man's behaviour during the funeral procession was so overwhelmingly disgusting that I'm willing to be awake at 3am posting about it.
I sincerely hope the family don't have to witness any more of that kind of total disrespect & depravity during this weeks proceedings.
Queen Elizabeth's children are human, and humans make mistakes. On the other hand they were born into a family which has constitutional obligations. It's their duty to fulfil those obligations and they have. Now is not the time, imo, to target them when they're doing that.So why were you so defensive when I called out this forum for its nasty tweet about Charles literally less than 24 hours after his mother’s death? It was uncalled for, and yet you seemed to agree with its sentiment.
Honestly, I'm not often offended by anything & have frequently, jokingly, expressed opinions that any normal human being would find utterly abhorrent, but I think that young man's behaviour during the funeral procession was so overwhelmingly disgusting that I'm willing to be awake at 3am posting about it.
I sincerely hope the family don't have to witness any more of that kind of total disrespect & depravity during this weeks proceedings.
So why were you so defensive when I called out this forum for its nasty tweet about Charles literally less than 24 hours after his mother’s death? It was uncalled for, and yet you seemed to agree with its sentiment.
I don't feel that I have the right to dictate what those who own and/or run this forum do, and nor do you.
I don't feel that I have the right to dictate what those who own and/or run this forum do, and nor do you.I wasn't dictating anything I was expressing an opinion that such a tweet was an embarrassment and a disgrace, I thought you agreed in freedom of speech, obviously not!
I was six when she was crowned.
I only have vague recollections of seeing the coronation on television.
There was a firework display in a park nearby and I do remember a cake with a little figurine of the queen. We also got a tin pencul box and a bar of chocolate at school.
I read in the past few days that some mail boxes here were later damaged because of the reference to Queen Elizabeth 11.
She was Elizabeth 1 to us.
I have every sympathy for her family and have a keen regard for her for the way she lived her life both privately and publically but have no sadness or sense of loss.
She lived a full and long life and died without the long lingering pain that some endure and in a place she loved and with family with her.
The outpouring of grief in the past few days has bewildered me.
I saw footage of an elderly lady in Ukraine whose house had been badly damaged . She was using a little dust pan and brush trying to clean up some of the debris in her home.
That was months ago and that image has stayed with me.
Think I'm now suffering from mourning sickness overload, and I bet Mama's restless at being carted all over the place as Charlie is weary of his endless leaky pen signing sessions. One thing's for sure though... florists have made a blooming good living out of her passing.Yes, I sense a mounting backlash to the whole thing and I can’t help but roll my eyes and mutter in frustration every time I turn on the TV and radio and the first thing you hear is about the funeral and the royals, . I can’t wait for it all to be over and for normal(ish) life to resume. I am also concerned that the funeral will be used as an opportunity by some idiots to make a political protest or even worse.
I don't feel any sense of grief or loss for her passing & you wouldn't find me queuing up in the driving rain for hours just to catch a fleeting glimpse of her funeral procession, but if you did see me there & the man next to me started hurling abuse at her kids, rest assured I'd be inclined to meet that level of disrespect with force. But then I'd probably do the same if that happened at anybodies funeral really.
I have found it interesting watching some of the ceremonies that are taking place though. It's pretty much a once in a lifetime event, a change of monarch, & has given me something unique to watch/listen to while I've been decorating the house this past week.
Our individual reactions to the events are not all the same, but they don't really matter. Our country has the most famous monarchy in the world, and it's relevance is not just national, it is world-wide. That's why we are seeing so much coverage of everything that's happening and we're seeing all the pageantry the UK does so well.
I'm learning too; who knew about those Scottish archers? I didn't.
I'm of the same, but its time to move them on, we have had our longest serving monarch, what better way than to go out than on a high. As for the protestor, a procession behind a coffin is not the right platform but it must be recognised the right to protest, if at say Putins funeral it happened just imagine the west's condemnation if a protestor was dragged away.Who would you like to see as Head Of State instead? Always curious to know who Republicans would prefer to see representing Great Britain on the world’s stage. Me, I’d vote for Grayson Perry, but only dressed as Claire his female alter ego.
Who would you like to see as Head Of State instead? Always curious to know who Republicans would prefer to see representing Great Britain on the world’s stage. Me, I’d vote for Grayson Perry, but only dressed as Claire his female alter ego.
Who would you like to see as Head Of State instead? Always curious to know who Republicans would prefer to see representing Great Britain on the world’s stage. Me, I’d vote for Grayson Perry, but only dressed as Claire his female alter ego.
Elections could do this, at least get rid of that awful God save the King, replace it with Swords of a Thousand Men.Well I know he’s despised by a large percentage of French people, much the same as our monarchy is, but are you suggesting we have a President Boris, Blair or Clegg instead of a King? Ummm, well Boris might be excited at the prospect but it’s a “no” from me thanks.
Look across the channel, is Macron any less of a leader cause he isn't royalty.
Elections could do this, at least get rid of that awful God save the King, replace it with Swords of a Thousand Men.
Look across the channel, is Macron any less of a leader cause he isn't royalty.
Well I know he’s despised by a large percentage of French people, much the same as our monarchy is, but are you suggesting we have a President Boris, Blair or Clegg instead of a King? Ummm, well Boris might be excited at the prospect but it’s a “no” from me thanks.
Hmmm, President Spam, yes, I like the sound of that.I thought you'd elected yourself already...
You are always quick to criticise even if the views expressed are widely held. In 2019 a survey by BMG Research on behalf of The Independent found 46 per cent of Britons want the first in line to the throne to abdicate immediately to allow the Duke of Cambridge to take the throne.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/prince-charles-heir-throne-abdicated-william-queen-dies-death-next-in-line-public-opinion-a8704316.html
Just because you prefer your own opinions there are other opinions which are not 'disgraceful' just because they're different than your own.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11205089/New-YouGov-poll-shows-63-cent-think-King-Charles-make-good-monarch-Britain.html
This is clearly an issue that is going to be discussed going forward whether people think it should be or not.I see you have refused to acknowledge that people's opinion of Charles has changed somewhat since the opinion poll you relied on to make your point a few days ago.
I see you have refused to acknowledge that people's opinion of Charles has changed somewhat since the opinion poll you relied on to make your point a few days ago.
It's so obvious why.Obvious why you refused to acknowledge it? Yes, it certainly is. What is less obvious is why you decided to back the forum owners up by insinuating that Charles is not an honourable man who is deeply unpopular and unsuited to the role of king.
Obvious why you refused to acknowledge it? Yes, it certainly is. What is less obvious is why you decided to back the forum owners up by insinuating that Charles is not an honourable man who is deeply unpopular and unsuited to the role of king.
These are extraordinary times and people have reacted in extraordinary ways, including our new king. Can he keep up the good work as time goes by? Only time will tell. Of course he doesn't need to be popular, he's the king.Right, give him the benefit of the doubt. Don’t publicly proclaim him unfit to be king and lacking in honour hours after his beloved mother’s death, that’s just insensitive, judgmental and nasty.
Right, give him the benefit of the doubt. Don’t publicly proclaim him unfit to be king and lacking in honour hours after his beloved mother’s death, that’s just insensitive, judgmental and nasty.
I didn't proclaim him unfit to be king, I gave my opinion as to why some people think that. A subtle difference you don't seem to have grasped.I didn’t say you said it, I said you supported the tweet which did and implied Charles was not an honourable man. I grasped it very well thank you.
I never did understand why her majesty never handed over to him years ago. Was she also of the opinion he was unfit to rule as was Andrew and Edward given their less than honourable pasts.It's very simple John: QEII vowed to serve her country for the entire duration of her life whether it be long or short. She wasn't a quitter and the job didn't come with a retirement plan factored into it. Show some respect FGS.
In my opinion the crown should have gone to Princess Anne or Prince William.
I didn’t say you said it, I said you supported the tweet which did and implied Charles was not an honourable man. I grasped it very well thank you.
Understanding, ommenting and explaining doesn't mean supporting. A common mistake, I find.Yeah right. BTW I don't need you to explain tweets to me - the meaning and intent was quite obvious thanks.
Phew. What a marathon it has been for us all, let alone for The King, poor soul.The final stretch... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuENY9sKTxQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuENY9sKTxQ)
Phew. What a marathon it has been for us all, let alone for The King, poor soul.
On entry to Windsor chapel he looked as if he had had enough.
His Mother has just died. And not a second for him to grieve.
So ended one of the most remarkable day/period's in history .
His Mother has just died. And not a second for him to grieve.
Utterly impeccable send off but quite draining (and I spent the entire thing on the sofa, for those taking part I can’t even imagine the exhaustion and emotion they must be feeling, probably quite a lot of relief right now).