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Title: My Response from the Prisoner Location Service
Post by: mrswah on April 17, 2017, 04:27:20 PM
I have been trying, since 16th November of last year, to locate VT  and  obtain his prison number, in the hope of writing to him.  I have "chased up" the system on three occasions. This is my latest response, received on 10th April.

Unlike "Nine", I am pretty useless at IT, and haven't a clue how to take a screenshot, so I had to write the whole thing out, so that I can reproduce it here-----you will have to take my word for it that I am telling the truth!!  The stuff in brackets are my own comments.


Good Afternoon

I am sorry that you are not happy with the time it has taken to respond to your enquiry (you bet I'm not: I first wrote on 16th November of last year, and , in my last chaser, threatened to write to my MP).

I regret to inform you that your case is still ongoing.

Please note that locating a prisoner is a time consuming process (why??????).  If the person you are looking for is in fact held in custody (which he is, isn't he???), we have to write to them to gain there (sic)permission to disclose their location.  This is a requirement of the 1998 Data Protection Act. Please note we have processed your enquiry and chased it up. I will send one final chaser, but if we do not receive a response or the prisoner says they do not want there (sic) details disclosed then we will have to close your enquiry.

At this point we are not in control of how long it takes the prison and prisoner to respond to our request (what a lousy service---thank goodness I am not a relative or a friend!!).

Thank you for your patience.

Regards.




Comments, please?????????

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Title: Re: My Response from the Prisoner Location Service
Post by: AerialHunter on April 17, 2017, 09:56:35 PM
If ever there existed an example of why we cannot rely on the intelligence levels of those in a controlling position within the mechanisms of the detention system, this has got to be it!
Title: Re: My Response from the Prisoner Location Service
Post by: [...] on April 17, 2017, 10:12:11 PM
It shouldn't take that long mrwah.... should it??

I wonder why they are taking there time about this??  Do other people have such difficulties when writing to the prison location service??
Title: Re: My Response from the Prisoner Location Service
Post by: mrswah on April 17, 2017, 10:19:12 PM
It shouldn't take that long mrwah.... should it??

I wonder why they are taking there time about this??  Do other people have such difficulties when writing to the prison location service??

It is supposed to take six weeks------according to their website!

Title: Re: My Response from the Prisoner Location Service
Post by: Leonora on April 18, 2017, 07:44:26 AM
It is supposed to take six weeks------according to their website!
I can only admire your patience and persistence, mrswah! Six weeks might be acceptable if you inquired about a J. Smith sentenced to 18 months for knocking someone's teeth out in a pub brawl - but famous prisoners attract so much attention that I am sure that scarcely a day goes by when the Prisoner Location Service doesn't receive an inquiry about Vincent Tabak.

Have you asked them why they don't just look him up on Wikipedia? The prison history of each of the other famous killers is reported in the pages recounting their crimes. Your contact seems to have been gripped by the same inanity that characterises the attitude of the rest of the general public.

Wikipedia even has an article that lists the famous prisoners of Long Lartin. Oddly enough, Vincent Tabak is not mentioned.

What will you say to Vincent Tabak when you finally get in touch with him?
Title: Re: My Response from the Prisoner Location Service
Post by: mrswah on April 18, 2017, 09:17:26 AM
Leonora, I am certainly not brave enough to contact anyone else.

What would I have said to Vincent Tabak?  I would have written him a friendly, general letter, not mentioning the case at all, but hoping to strike up a "penfriendship" of sorts, where, eventually, he might have told me something relating to the case. I would also have liked to get some idea of what kind of a bloke he is, and whether or not he is well.

It aint gonna happen, though.

I am not even going to be able to find out whether he is alive or dead, or whether he is in prison in this country or back in Holland. My retired lawyer hubby tells me that "they" have to tell the public if he is dead, or back in Holland, but I wonder!

So, the great silence continues, and the great silence is one aspect of this case that really makes me suspicious!

Title: Re: My Response from the Prisoner Location Service
Post by: mrswah on April 25, 2017, 07:36:08 AM
I was being a good girl, Leonora, and trying to go through the "right channels", and taking care to supply them with all the information they wanted, and not chasing them up until the six weeks had passed, etc etc.  The Prisoner Location Service is supposed to provide a service to the public!
Title: Re: My Response from the Prisoner Location Service
Post by: mrswah on April 26, 2017, 10:01:30 AM
My final response!!!


Dear Sir/Madam

I refer to your correspondence regarding the above named.

Unfortunately, because of the restraints of the Data Protection Act of not providing information regarding a prisoner without their consent, and due to the length of time passed, I am unable to supply you with the information you require and have no alternative but to close our files.

I am not permitted, because of the Data Protection Act to confirm whether or not they are or has(sic) been in prison custody.

I am sorry that on this occasion I am unable to help you.

Please be advised that files are retained for twelve months and should offenders return their consent forms to us during this time span we will relay their wishes to those who enquired.

Kind regards.



So, according to this, they sent an enquiry to the prison and received no response.

Oh well. Another mystery-------is he dead, is he ill, is he back in Holland, is he merely determined not to have any contact with the outside world?????
Title: Re: My Response from the Prisoner Location Service
Post by: [...] on April 26, 2017, 10:17:45 AM
My final response!!!


Dear Sir/Madam

I refer to your correspondence regarding the above named.

Unfortunately, because of the restraints of the Data Protection Act of not providing information regarding a prisoner without their consent, and due to the length of time passed, I am unable to supply you with the information you require and have no alternative but to close our files.

I am not permitted, because of the Data Protection Act to confirm whether or not they are or has(sic) been in prison custody.

I am sorry that on this occasion I am unable to help you.

Please be advised that files are retained for twelve months and should offenders return their consent forms to us during this time span we will relay their wishes to those who enquired.

Kind regards.



So, according to this, they sent an enquiry to the prison and received no response.

Oh well. Another mystery-------is he dead, is he ill, is he back in Holland, is he merely determined not to have any contact with the outside world?????


OMG.... what is that!!!!

Come on own up..... What have you done with Dr Vincent Tabak!!!!

Where have you popped him..... 

Jixy... I did say that it was impossible to get a response regarding Dr Vincent Tabak in relation to trying to locate him!!!


EDIT.... Mrswah.... they didn't tell you which prison he is being detained in... And they surely do not need a prisoners permission to give you that information at least!!!!

That cannot come under the Data protection act surely???

Title: Re: My Response from the Prisoner Location Service
Post by: [...] on April 26, 2017, 10:38:25 AM
My final response!!!


Dear Sir/Madam

I refer to your correspondence regarding the above named.

Unfortunately, because of the restraints of the Data Protection Act of not providing information regarding a prisoner without their consent, and due to the length of time passed, I am unable to supply you with the information you require and have no alternative but to close our files.

I am not permitted, because of the Data Protection Act to confirm whether or not they are or has(sic) been in prison custody.


Why haven't they told you which prison he is being detained at???
Title: Re: My Response from the Prisoner Location Service
Post by: [...] on April 26, 2017, 12:44:06 PM
My final response!!!


Dear Sir/Madam

I refer to your correspondence regarding the above named.

Unfortunately, because of the restraints of the Data Protection Act of not providing information regarding a prisoner without their consent, and due to the length of time passed, I am unable to supply you with the information you require and have no alternative but to close our files.

I am not permitted, because of the Data Protection Act to confirm whether or not they are or has(sic) been in prison custody.

I am sorry that on this occasion I am unable to help you.

Please be advised that files are retained for twelve months and should offenders return their consent forms to us during this time span we will relay their wishes to those who enquired.

Kind regards.



So, according to this, they sent an enquiry to the prison and received no response.

Oh well. Another mystery-------is he dead, is he ill, is he back in Holland, is he merely determined not to have any contact with the outside world?????

As I like to Dot The I's and cross the T's... can you confirm Mrswah that it was indeed Dr Vincent Tabak's name that was the above name that they are referring too....
Title: Re: My Response from the Prisoner Location Service
Post by: Leonora on April 26, 2017, 01:52:37 PM

OMG.... what is that!!!!

Come on own up..... What have you done with Dr Vincent Tabak!!!!

Where have you popped him..... 

Jixy... I did say that it was impossible to get a response regarding Dr Vincent Tabak in relation to trying to locate him!!!


EDIT.... Mrswah.... they didn't tell you which prison he is being detained in... And they surely do not need a prisoners permission to give you that information at least!!!!

That cannot come under the Data protection act surely???
I do not ask you to like the Prisoner Location Service, mrswah. Their behaviour towards you, frankly, is DISGUSTING.

Bristol Crown Court's own website confirms that a defendant of the name of Vincent Tabak was sentenced on 28 October 2011 to a minimum of 20 years in prison, so the Data Protection Act cannot possibly forbid the Prisoner Location Service (PLS) to confirm to you that this prisoner is also on their records.

At least two witnesses under oath confirmed in open court that Vincent Tabak was an inmate at Long Lartin Prison for at least part of 2011, so the Data Protection Act cannot possibly forbid the PLS to confirm that he was there.

It is such an unusual name that the PLS should have been able to find it within a matter of minutes, rather than 6 weeks.

If the prisoner has died, then the Data Protection Act cannot possibly forbid the PLS to disclose the date and place of death.

It would in any case have been all over the news media. Vincent Tabak is a very famous prisoner, on a par with numerous other famous prisoners whose places of imprisonment and other information are frequently reported in the press.

Can you explain, PLS, why the Data Protection Act distinguishes between Vincent Tabak and all these other famous prisoners in British prisons? Your deadpan responses are very strong evidence that he has been given a secret amnesty and a secret new identity and that he is not in prison at all.

As he is not a British national, it is probable that he had applied for repatriation, and may have been granted this. If he is no longer in a British prison for this reason, then surely the Data Protection Act does not forbid you to disclose the fact either?

So far, PLS, you have not even acknowledged that you know whom we are talking about, which must make you the only person in the country who has not even heard of Vincent Tabak and his very famous crime.
Title: Re: My Response from the Prisoner Location Service
Post by: mrswah on April 26, 2017, 03:33:42 PM
As I like to Dot The I's and cross the T's... can you confirm Mrswah that it was indeed Dr Vincent Tabak's name that was the above name that they are referring too....

Yes, I can---I just didn't bother putting it in my post!
Title: Re: My Response from the Prisoner Location Service
Post by: mrswah on April 26, 2017, 03:40:25 PM
I believe that, under the Data Protection Act, they don't have to disclose what prison someone is in, and wont do so without the prisoner's permission.

He was certainly in Wakefield at the time of the "indecent images" trial in March 2015, and it is likely he is still there (likely, but not necessarily so. Ariel Hunter thought differently). What I was really after was his prison number, as one needs that to write to a prisoner.

Great cop out this Data Protection Act------IMO, obviously!

I also have a great cop out now, every time somebody suggests I should get in touch with Vincent and ask him to answer my questions!
Title: Re: My Response from the Prisoner Location Service
Post by: jixy on April 27, 2017, 11:07:43 AM
Have to say i disagree in blaming the service and dont agree that you can say their service is disgusting!

He may well have been asked and then the request chased up by the service.

If he chooses to not answer which is his right then they cannot even say his answer is NO. Under Data Protection as they have explained, its not possible to even confirm that because he hasnt given permission

It would have been easier if it was a flat out No but he has chosen not to reply. He probably isnt half as 'famous' as you think and most people if not connected to the case, wont even remember his name

The service works well. I have used it myself and received a reply within 2 weeks

Its easy to jump to conclusion and shout cover up etc. If that was the case, it would have been a polite no...
Title: Re: My Response from the Prisoner Location Service
Post by: Leonora on April 27, 2017, 11:31:28 AM
Have to say i disagree in blaming the service and dont agree that you can say their service is disgusting!

He may well have been asked and then the request chased up by the service.

If he chooses to not answer which is his right then they cannot even say his answer is NO. Under Data Protection as they have explained, its not possible to even confirm that because he hasnt given permission

It would have been easier if it was a flat out No but he has chosen not to reply. He probably isnt half as 'famous' as you think and most people if not connected to the case, wont even remember his name

The service works well. I have used it myself and received a reply within 2 weeks

Its easy to jump to conclusion and shout cover up etc. If that was the case, it would have been a polite no...
Not once did they acknowledge that the they had identified the prisoner whom she was inquiring about in their records. As his name is unique, and as he is so famous, this alone could have been done in 6 minutes, not 6 weeks. As he was convicted publicly in a Crown Court, this information is obviously NOT covered by the Data Protection Act.

Not once did they inform her of the prison where he is held, or has been held. As it is public knowledge that he has been held at both Long Lartin and Wakefield, they would have violated no rules by stating these facts. Omitting to do so to mrswah was just plain rude.

Not once did they confirm whether or not Vincent Tabak has been asked whether he wants to receive mail from strangers, as some other prisoners certainly do. This too was rude, as mrswah is entitled to know the facts that are obviously not covered by the Data Protection Act.

If you really got a reply to an inquiry about another, less famous, prisoner, after only two weeks, that is evidence brought by you, that Vincent Tabak is the subject of a special cover-up, and it is time you showed more respect for those of us who genuinely want to get to the bottom of this cover-up.
Title: Re: My Response from the Prisoner Location Service
Post by: jixy on April 27, 2017, 11:43:03 AM
They ARE NOT ALLOWED TO ANSWER IN ANY WAY IF HE DOESNT GIVE PERMISSION!!!!

He could have been released gone back to his home country or anything

He hasnt spoken up for himself in the years that has passed and I assume he doesnt want anyone else to either. Letters to strangers get in the press, they often do!

The word famous isnt a word I choose to use but his prison sentence is well documented in the media and many many people know his name
Title: Re: My Response from the Prisoner Location Service
Post by: jixy on April 27, 2017, 11:44:47 AM
PS You may WANT to know but you have no right to be told!
Title: Re: My Response from the Prisoner Location Service
Post by: Leonora on April 27, 2017, 12:02:17 PM
PS You may WANT to know but you have no right to be told!
This is not about MY rights, it is about mrswah's right to be treated politely by an official agency. Contrary to what you post, mrswah was entitled ABSOLUTELY to receive the minimum information that I listed in my post, since she had gone to the trouble of making the application. She was also entitled to be notified of the limitations imposed on her request, rather than the very rude blanket answers we know she received. These alone prove that there is a difference between the way your request was handled, and the way mrswah's was handled.
Title: Re: My Response from the Prisoner Location Service
Post by: jixy on April 27, 2017, 12:06:52 PM
Wrong you dont get to know just because you ask and rightly

She has NO rights whatsoever she has no connection to him and he obviously wants none with her!

As it should be!
Title: Re: My Response from the Prisoner Location Service
Post by: mrswah on April 27, 2017, 01:10:15 PM
Jixy, I am inclined to go with what you say about the Data Protection Act ,realising that you probably know more about this than I do.   I am certainly not losing any sleep over the response I received from the Prisoner Location service. It does make me wonder what has become of VT, but then, I am nosy!

My husband, who is a retired lawyer (although not a criminal lawyer), tells me that the public would have to be told if VT had been repatriated to Holland, or was dead. I am not sure if I agree with him, and I would like to know what the rest of you think---just as a matter of interest.
Title: Re: My Response from the Prisoner Location Service
Post by: jixy on April 27, 2017, 01:15:31 PM
My post wasnt aimed at you just the fact that Tabak doesnt want to talk to you and most likely to anyone. If he was going to take any opportunity to speak and was in fact innocent im sure we would have heard rumblings by now

Maybe its easy to say they are to blame but the obvious difference in your replies and mine are that the prisoner chose to give an answer

As it seems, you have asked more than  once and the service has done so on your behalf. IF they receive no reply, they cant be faulted for the actions of someone else. They did in fact try more than once.

At the end of the day, if he ignores the requests, their hands are tied hence your replies
Title: Re: My Response from the Prisoner Location Service
Post by: John on April 27, 2017, 02:44:01 PM
I have edited some of the less than constructive comments above so please can we have less of the sniping.

If someone wants to contact a prisoner held in the UK but don't have a prison number I suggest they write to the lawyer which last acted for him enclosing a letter.  Alternatively, a letter can be sent to their family asking that it be sent on to the prisoner.
Title: Re: My Response from the Prisoner Location Service
Post by: mrswah on April 27, 2017, 03:37:52 PM
I have edited some of the less than constructive comments above so please can we have less of the sniping.

If someone wants to contact a prisoner held in the UK but don't have a prison number I suggest they write to the lawyer which last acted for him enclosing a letter.  Alternatively. a letter can be sent to their family asking that it be sent on to the prisoner.

Thank you for that, John. Much appreciated.

Title: Re: My Response from the Prisoner Location Service
Post by: Leonora on April 28, 2017, 11:08:49 AM
I have edited some of the less than constructive comments above so please can we have less of the sniping.

If someone wants to contact a prisoner held in the UK but don't have a prison number I suggest they write to the lawyer which last acted for him enclosing a letter.  Alternatively, a letter can be sent to their family asking that it be sent on to the prisoner.
This is a very sensible recommendation in the case of one of the many prominent prisoners who continues to protest his innocence, and whose family supports him. Some of these prisoners even have websites supporting them.

Would you feel comfortable, though, contacting the family of a well-known prisoner whom they had very publicly disowned? Do they mean it, or is it just a public posture to protect them against having bricks and worse flung through their windows?

I wouldn't feel very happy about writing to an eminent lawyer who told the jury that he did not expect them to like his client, whose behaviour he said was disgusting.

Those close to Vincent Tabak personally have indicated that they do not welcome any approaches from the public, even supportive ones. He doesn't even have a supporters' web site. I think this is very odd, as Buro Happold and its employees, who had known him for much longer than William Clegg, and certainly liked him enough to keep him on and send him on business trips. I think Buro Happold have a greater obligation than anyone else to respond politely to requests from members of the public, including answering mrswah's basic legitimate questions that the prisoner location service so brusquely dismissed.
Title: Re: My Response from the Prisoner Location Service
Post by: mrswah on April 28, 2017, 11:36:43 AM
I wont write to the family, Leonora. After all, I wouldn't even know where to write, and I don't speak Dutch!

I will dare write to Mr Clegg, however, or to Mr Armstrong. I know  the address of their Chambers , and if nothing else,   I am  intrigued to see what (if any) response I get!
Title: Re: My Response from the Prisoner Location Service
Post by: mrswah on April 28, 2017, 11:40:42 AM
Incidentally, I cannot believe, for one moment, that VT's family has disowned him.

Title: Re: My Response from the Prisoner Location Service
Post by: John on May 01, 2017, 05:57:25 PM
I wont write to the family, Leonora. After all, I wouldn't even know where to write, and I don't speak Dutch!

I will dare write to Mr Clegg, however, or to Mr Armstrong. I know  the address of their Chambers , and if nothing else,   I am  intrigued to see what (if any) response I get!

Good idea, there is no reason why they cannot send a letter to VT or to his new lawyer if he has one.
Title: Re: My Response from the Prisoner Location Service
Post by: John on May 01, 2017, 05:58:39 PM
Incidentally, I cannot believe, for one moment, that VT's family has disowned him.

They are most probably annoyed with him and saddened at his despicable behaviour.
Title: Re: My Response from the Prisoner Location Service
Post by: Leonora on May 01, 2017, 06:58:22 PM
Incidentally, I cannot believe, for one moment, that VT's family has disowned him.
Nor can I. The very famous prisoner I was referring to, whose family has very publicly disowned him, was certainly not Vincent Tabak, but another prisoner with whose identity you are all very familiar.
Title: Re: My Response from the Prisoner Location Service
Post by: AerialHunter on May 15, 2017, 04:00:06 PM
I wont write to the family, Leonora. After all, I wouldn't even know where to write, and I don't speak Dutch!

I will dare write to Mr Clegg, however, or to Mr Armstrong. I know  the address of their Chambers , and if nothing else,   I am  intrigued to see what (if any) response I get!

Did you get anywhere with this exercise?
Title: Re: My Response from the Prisoner Location Service
Post by: mrswah on May 15, 2017, 05:06:00 PM
Did you get anywhere with this exercise?

I'm ashamed to say I haven't got around to it yet!

Do you think it is worth trying?  if you say yes, I will !!
Title: Re: My Response from the Prisoner Location Service
Post by: AerialHunter on May 15, 2017, 05:23:14 PM
You are not going to do any harm. Tabak probably has no idea that there is an army out here gunning for him, it might just be the catalyst we need to get the whole thing back in court.

Go for it.

AH
Title: Re: My Response from the Prisoner Location Service
Post by: [...] on May 15, 2017, 05:32:21 PM
You are not going to do any harm. Tabak probably has no idea that there is an army out here gunning for him, it might just be the catalyst we need to get the whole thing back in court.

Go for it.

AH

Oh yes... I'd love to see that...  8@??)(
Title: Re: My Response from the Prisoner Location Service
Post by: mrswah on May 15, 2017, 07:35:08 PM
I'll do it !!

Title: Re: My Response from the Prisoner Location Service
Post by: mrswah on May 15, 2017, 07:38:19 PM
Oh, and I will let you all know when I have done it!!

Title: Re: My Response from the Prisoner Location Service
Post by: mrswah on May 16, 2017, 09:09:15 AM
Just to say I have e mailed Mr Clegg's chambers this morning. I have addressed my message for the attention of Mr Clegg or Mr Armstrong, and have invited them to look at our forum.
Title: Re: My Response from the Prisoner Location Service
Post by: mrswah on May 16, 2017, 10:06:12 AM
IF  I get a reply, I will ask if they will pass a letter on---------
Title: Re: My Response from the Prisoner Location Service
Post by: AerialHunter on May 16, 2017, 11:20:11 AM
Positive action. It's the only way forward. Hours of speculation/discussion is good but this sort of thing moves everyone forward. Well done you!

AH
Title: Re: My Response from the Prisoner Location Service
Post by: mrswah on May 16, 2017, 11:38:42 AM
Positive action. It's the only way forward. Hours of speculation/discussion is good but this sort of thing moves everyone forward. Well done you!

AH

I have to admit to feeling somewhat apprehensive-----------
Title: Re: My Response from the Prisoner Location Service
Post by: AerialHunter on May 18, 2017, 07:48:06 AM
I have to admit to feeling somewhat apprehensive-----------

Don't worry, they're the apprehensive ones, you've got absolutely nothing to lose, that makes you dangerous, very dangerous indeed and ultimately untouchable. Think of yourself as mischievous and enjoy.

AH
Title: Re: My Response from the Prisoner Location Service
Post by: [...] on May 27, 2017, 02:21:17 PM
The only realistic reason I can find for you not being able to get any communication with Dr Vincent Tabak is if he is NOT actually In prison...

And by that at do not mean free running around having a Holiday...

But the only other possibility I could come to is That he is in "A Dutch Embassy"... like Assange was ... waiting for either this whole load of lies to be dropped or they themselves are trying to find out what happened in this case....

And I'm sure Nobody on this side of the water would be forth coming in an official capacity... So they can ...and have to conduct their enquires themselves... Because unless they can unravel all the circumstances surrounding this case and "Twin Track Investigations... taking place at the same time.. Then it would be hard for them to conduct any investigation on British Soil without expressed permission from the British Government themselves..(IMO)..

And in all honesty? "No One will give that..(IMO)

Title: Re: My Response from the Prisoner Location Service
Post by: AerialHunter on May 27, 2017, 05:40:58 PM
The only realistic reason I can find for you not being able to get any communication with Dr Vincent Tabak is if he is NOT actually In prison...

And by that at do not mean free running around having a Holiday...

But the only other possibility I could come to is That he is in "A Dutch Embassy"... like Assange was ... waiting for either this whole load of lies to be dropped or they themselves are trying to find out what happened in this case....

And I'm sure Nobody on this side of the water would be forth coming in an official capacity... So they can ...and have to conduct their enquires themselves... Because unless they can unravel all the circumstances surrounding this case and "Twin Track Investigations... taking place at the same time.. Then it would be hard for them to conduct any investigation on British Soil without expressed permission from the British Government themselves..(IMO)..

And in all honesty? "No One will give that..(IMO)

Unlikely I think, but they are not going to make communication easy. They also demand all your details if you write to a prisoner and they try intimidation tactics like logging you as a "Known Associate". Could be worse though, you might be considered a friend of the force.

Come the revolution, that could get painful.
Title: Re: My Response from the Prisoner Location Service
Post by: mrswah on May 27, 2017, 05:54:37 PM
Unlikely I think, but they are not going to make communication easy. They also demand all your details if you write to a prisoner and they try intimidation tactics like logging you as a "Known Associate". Could be worse though, you might be considered a friend of the force.

Come the revolution, that could get painful.

Oh, I have given them all my details, but they wont be getting any more!!

And, nobody will be trying any "intimidation tactics" with me, I'm afraid!

As for "the revolution"---------------!!!!!

Have a good weekend--that is all I can say!
Title: Re: My Response from the Prisoner Location Service
Post by: John on June 12, 2017, 05:45:05 PM
In the end there is only one reason why you may not get a response from Vincent Tabak and that is because he has chosen not to reply.  That is his right and it has to be respected.
Title: Re: My Response from the Prisoner Location Service
Post by: [...] on June 12, 2017, 05:58:58 PM
In the end there is only one reason why you may not get a response from Vincent Tabak and that is because he has chosen not to reply.  That is his right and it has to be respected.

(1): Dr Vincent Tabak may not want to converse

(2): Dr Vincent Tabak may no longer be in the country

(3): The Same "Smoke Screen" that has been used all along in "This Case ".... (IMO)...
Title: Re: My Response from the Prisoner Location Service
Post by: John on June 27, 2017, 04:28:21 PM
(1): Dr Vincent Tabak may not want to converse

(2): Dr Vincent Tabak may no longer be in the country

(3): The Same "Smoke Screen" that has been used all along in "This Case ".... (IMO)...

I would put my money on #2.   He has admitted the crime now only wants to do his time.   
Title: Re: My Response from the Prisoner Location Service
Post by: mrswah on July 04, 2017, 09:12:03 PM
I would put my money on #2.   He has admitted the crime now only wants to do his time.

Interesting, John. 

Do you  think VT could be moved out of the country (as a prisoner) without the public having to know? Only asking out of interest, as my husband reckons the public would HAVE to be told if this were the case. I am not so sure!
Title: Re: My Response from the Prisoner Location Service
Post by: Angelo222 on July 26, 2017, 05:14:22 PM
Any luck contacting Vincent Tabak?
Title: Re: My Response from the Prisoner Location Service
Post by: mrswah on July 26, 2017, 10:31:34 PM
Any luck contacting Vincent Tabak?

None whatsoever!  Nor am I trying any further.
Title: Re: My Response from the Prisoner Location Service
Post by: John on December 23, 2017, 12:13:23 AM
Can I just add that we will try and contact his lawyers with a view to opening a line of communication with him, if only to clarify a few issues once and for all.
Title: Re: My Response from the Prisoner Location Service
Post by: Nicholas on October 23, 2018, 10:50:17 AM
My final response!!!


Dear Sir/Madam

I refer to your correspondence regarding the above named.

Unfortunately, because of the restraints of the Data Protection Act of not providing information regarding a prisoner without their consent, and due to the length of time passed, I am unable to supply you with the information you require and have no alternative but to close our files.

I am not permitted, because of the Data Protection Act to confirm whether or not they are or has(sic) been in prison custody.

I am sorry that on this occasion I am unable to help you.

Please be advised that files are retained for twelve months and should offenders return their consent forms to us during this time span we will relay their wishes to those who enquired.

Kind regards.



So, according to this, they sent an enquiry to the prison and received no response.

Oh well. Another mystery-------is he dead, is he ill, is he back in Holland, is he merely determined not to have any contact with the outside world?????

Do you think they doubted your authenticity?
Title: Re: My Response from the Prisoner Location Service
Post by: Nicholas on October 23, 2018, 10:54:42 AM
I do not ask you to like the Prisoner Location Service, mrswah. Their behaviour towards you, frankly, is DISGUSTING.

Bristol Crown Court's own website confirms that a defendant of the name of Vincent Tabak was sentenced on 28 October 2011 to a minimum of 20 years in prison, so the Data Protection Act cannot possibly forbid the Prisoner Location Service (PLS) to confirm to you that this prisoner is also on their records.

At least two witnesses under oath confirmed in open court that Vincent Tabak was an inmate at Long Lartin Prison for at least part of 2011, so the Data Protection Act cannot possibly forbid the PLS to confirm that he was there.

It is such an unusual name that the PLS should have been able to find it within a matter of minutes, rather than 6 weeks.

If the prisoner has died, then the Data Protection Act cannot possibly forbid the PLS to disclose the date and place of death.

It would in any case have been all over the news media. Vincent Tabak is a very famous prisoner, on a par with numerous other famous prisoners whose places of imprisonment and other information are frequently reported in the press.

Can you explain, PLS, why the Data Protection Act distinguishes between Vincent Tabak and all these other famous prisoners in British prisons? Your deadpan responses are very strong evidence that he has been given a secret amnesty and a secret new identity and that he is not in prison at all.

As he is not a British national, it is probable that he had applied for repatriation, and may have been granted this. If he is no longer in a British prison for this reason, then surely the Data Protection Act does not forbid you to disclose the fact either?

So far, PLS, you have not even acknowledged that you know whom we are talking about, which must make you the only person in the country who has not even heard of Vincent Tabak and his very famous crime.

Maybe the reason Helen from Dorset didn't receive a satisfactory response was because the PLS questioned their authenticity?



Title: Re: My Response from the Prisoner Location Service
Post by: Nicholas on October 23, 2018, 10:57:54 AM
Jixy, I am inclined to go with what you say about the Data Protection Act ,realising that you probably know more about this than I do.   I am certainly not losing any sleep over the response I received from the Prisoner Location service. It does make me wonder what has become of VT, but then, I am nosy!

My husband, who is a retired lawyer (although not a criminal lawyer), tells me that the public would have to be told if VT had been repatriated to Holland, or was dead. I am not sure if I agree with him, and I would like to know what the rest of you think---just as a matter of interest.

I think you like to keep debate on Tabak circling round and round....
Title: Re: My Response from the Prisoner Location Service
Post by: Nicholas on October 23, 2018, 10:59:42 AM
Can I just add that we will try and contact his lawyers with a view to opening a line of communication with him, if only to clarify a few issues once and for all.

Who are his "lawyers" then? And how did you get on?

And why did you choose to take the batton from Helen so to speak and suggest you'd contact Tabak's lawyers?
Title: Re: My Response from the Prisoner Location Service
Post by: Nicholas on October 23, 2018, 11:03:05 AM
You are not going to do any harm. Tabak probably has no idea that there is an army out here gunning for him, it might just be the catalyst we need to get the whole thing back in court.

Go for it.

AH

What makes you think it won't do any harm?

And to what "army" do you refer?
Title: Re: My Response from the Prisoner Location Service
Post by: Caroline on October 23, 2018, 01:14:59 PM
Maybe the reason Helen from Dorset didn't receive a satisfactory response was because the PLS questioned their authenticity?

Unless it's made public by someone else, the authorities aren't allowed to give out that information.
Title: Re: My Response from the Prisoner Location Service
Post by: Nicholas on October 23, 2018, 01:21:36 PM
Unless it's made public by someone else, the authorities aren't allowed to give out that information.

Many of us know this Caroline but isn't it interesting how this wasn't nipped in the bud long before now!?

Have you read all the posts on this thread and the numerous red herrings ?
Title: Re: My Response from the Prisoner Location Service
Post by: Caroline on October 23, 2018, 01:27:05 PM
Many of us know this Caroline but isn't it interesting how this wasn't nipped in the bud long before now!?

Have you read all the posts on this thread and the numerous red herrings ?

No, I just find it really odd that someone would think this guy is innocent when he has never even hinted at it himself. I'll read back at some point.
Title: Re: My Response from the Prisoner Location Service
Post by: Baz on October 24, 2018, 09:50:21 AM
Unless it's made public by someone else, the authorities aren't allowed to give out that information.

I'm not sure I understand this. I think they can give that information out with Tabak's permission. I'm pretty sure that is how the system works anyway.
Title: Re: My Response from the Prisoner Location Service
Post by: mrswah on October 24, 2018, 11:05:18 AM
I'm not sure I understand this. I think they can give that information out with Tabak's permission. I'm pretty sure that is how the system works anyway.

That was my understanding of it too.
Title: Re: My Response from the Prisoner Location Service
Post by: [...] on October 24, 2018, 11:38:20 AM
That was my understanding of it too.

So why all the secrecy ?? They certainly gave you the run around mrswah.....  &^^&*
Title: Re: My Response from the Prisoner Location Service
Post by: Baz on October 24, 2018, 12:38:40 PM
So why all the secrecy ?? They certainly gave you the run around mrswah.....  &^^&*

Did they give mrswah the run around?

I did the same thing. Sent them a request. I presume this request is then sent through to 'Dr Vincent Tabak'  who can reply saying "yes give them my details" "no, i don't want to hear from that person" or just not reply to their request at all (which the service takes as a no.) So by not responding to the request he has said no. That is my understanding.

I'm not sure what more we can expect? For them to go to him and demand an explanation for his refusal to correspond with a nosy stranger (referring to myself not mrswah!)
Title: Re: My Response from the Prisoner Location Service
Post by: [...] on October 24, 2018, 12:49:39 PM
Did they give mrswah the run around?

I did the same thing. Sent them a request. I presume this request is then sent through to 'Dr Vincent Tabak'  who can reply saying "yes give them my details" "no, i don't want to hear from that person" or just not reply to their request at all (which the service takes as a no.) So by not responding to the request he has said no. That is my understanding.

I'm not sure what more we can expect? For them to go to him and demand an explanation for his refusal to correspond with a nosy stranger (referring to myself not mrswah!)


Was data protection apparently..

My final response!!!


Dear Sir/Madam

I refer to your correspondence regarding the above named.

Unfortunately, because of the restraints of the Data Protection Act of not providing information regarding a prisoner without their consent, and due to the length of time passed, I am unable to supply you with the information you require and have no alternative but to close our files.

I am not permitted, because of the Data Protection Act to confirm whether or not they are or has(sic) been in prison custody.

I am sorry that on this occasion I am unable to help you.

Please be advised that files are retained for twelve months and should offenders return their consent forms to us during this time span we will relay their wishes to those who enquired.

Kind regards.



So, according to this, they sent an enquiry to the prison and received no response.

Oh well. Another mystery-------is he dead, is he ill, is he back in Holland, is he merely determined not to have any contact with the outside world?????
Title: Re: My Response from the Prisoner Location Service
Post by: Baz on October 24, 2018, 12:53:24 PM

Was data protection apparently..

Yes, as in can't give out someone's data without their permission.
Title: Re: My Response from the Prisoner Location Service
Post by: Caroline on October 24, 2018, 12:55:59 PM
I'm not sure I understand this. I think they can give that information out with Tabak's permission. I'm pretty sure that is how the system works anyway.

That's what I meant - they can give the info with his permission, you can obtain it from someone else but they don't give it just because someone asks. There is no mystery.
Title: Re: My Response from the Prisoner Location Service
Post by: justsaying on October 24, 2018, 05:02:40 PM
You do not have to go through PLS to write to a prisoner. You can write to them at their last known prison and the letter will be forwarded onto wherever they have been transferred. You do not need a prison number to do this, the letter will still be forwarded.
Title: Re: My Response from the Prisoner Location Service
Post by: Nicholas on November 06, 2018, 12:22:57 PM
Unlikely I think, but they are not going to make communication easy. They also demand all your details if you write to a prisoner and they try intimidation tactics like logging you as a "Known Associate". Could be worse though, you might be considered a friend of the force.

Come the revolution, that could get painful.

Can you expand on these "intimidation tactics" to which you refer?

And what "revolution?"
Title: Re: My Response from the Prisoner Location Service
Post by: Dexter on April 26, 2022, 04:14:14 PM
Vincent Tabak, 44, has been transferred to HMP Winchester from maximum security Wakefield prison where hes been held for most of his time since the Christmas killing of his neighbour.