Gerry Mccann a freemason?

[Venturi Swirl]

Of course if it had been me I’d have been appalled to have my name and that of my missing daughter associated in any way whatsoever with bottom feeders like the Ciprianos but hey needs must I suppose!

Sorry, that doesn’t quite answer my question - perhaps you could have another go?  Also why on earth would you be appalled to have your daughter’s name associated with that of another missing child who disappeared from the same area never to be seen again?  I’d not be appalled, it would be a red flag as far as I would be concerned, as it was for Mark Williams-Thomas for example.

[faithlilly]

Sorry, that doesn’t quite answer my question - perhaps you could have another go?  Also why on earth would you be appalled to have your daughter’s name associated with that of another missing child who disappeared from the same area never to be seen again?  I’d not be appalled, it would be a red flag as far as I would be concerned, as it was for Mark Williams-Thomas for example.

And that would be your choice. Me…I’d studiously avoid my or my family’s name being connected to a murderer like Cipriano but perhaps I just have higher standards.

[Venturi Swirl]

And that would be your choice. Me…I’d studiously avoid my or my family’s name being connected to a murderer like Cipriano but perhaps I just have higher standards.

Do you have some examples of the McCanns deliberately seeking out to connect their names to those of murderers?  You say you have higher standards but you seem very proud of your connection to convicted murderer Luke Mitchell.  How contrary you are!

[slartibartfast]

I've never given the freemasonry slurs levelled against Gerry as anything other than just another nasty and vicious rumour amongst the uncountable nasty and vicious lies permeating the internet.

I live very close to the town housing lodge #0 but of course I know nothing because it is a secret 😉 but I must by definition know many of these shady characters covering up all sorts of alleged criminality.

I never really thought about it from their perspective before.  But undoubtedly that organisation is being maligned by inference too.

Next time they have an open day (and that is no joke, this secretive lot distribute literature and do have regular open days) I'll mibbe pop in and ask who they think is being slurred - them or Gerry.

Nice building.

[faithlilly]

Do you have some examples of the McCanns deliberately seeking out to connect their names to those of murderers?  You say you have higher standards but you seem very proud of your connection to convicted murderer Luke Mitchell.  How comtrary you are!

I have no connection to Luke Mitchell other than I believe he’s innocent of the crime he was convicted of. Much as I believed that Paddy Hill and Michael Hickey were innocent of the crimes they were convicted of. Does that mean that I was ‘connected’ to them too?

An example of the parents seeking to connect their names to those of murderers? Eugene Zapata who admitted to murdering his wife and concealing her body exactly where cadaver dogs alerted.

https://www.channel4.com/news/articles/society/law_order/mccanns%2Bon%2Bscent%2Bof%2Bdeath%2Balert/811347.html

[Venturi Swirl]

I have no connection to Luke Mitchell other than I believe he’s innocent of the crime he was convicted of. Much as I believed the Paddy Hill and Michael Hickey were innocent of the crimes they were convicted of. Does that mean that I was ‘connected’ to them too?

An example of the parents seeking to connect their names to those of murderers? Eugene Zapata who admitted to murdering his wife and concealing her body exactly where cadaver dogs alerted.

https://www.channel4.com/news/articles/society/law_order/mccanns%2Bon%2Bscent%2Bof%2Bdeath%2Balert/811347.html

You and Luke Mitchell have a mutual friend who you have supported in her campaign to have him freed have you not?  That’s a connection is it not?  And I thought we were talking about the Ciprianos who you claimed the McCanns were keen to associate their names with?  Still no evidence of that so far.  As for Zapata I don’t think it was the fact of him being a murderer that the McCanns were keen to connect themselves to, in fact I don’t think he had been convicted at that point in time, so please stop with your silly accusations, there’s a love.  And we were getting along so well recently up until this point…

[Venturi Swirl]

Nice building.

Many masonic halls are, yes.

[Brietta]

Nice building.

What would you expect!  They are masons after all.

[faithlilly]

You and Luke Mitchell have a mutual friend who you have supported in her campaign to have him freed have you not?  That’s a connection is it not?  And I thought we were talking about the Ciprianos who you claimed the McCanns were keen to associate their names with?  Still no evidence of that so far.  As for Zapata I don’t think it was the fact of him being a murderer that the McCanns were keen to connect themselves to, in fact I don’t think he had been convicted at that point in time, so please stop with your silly accusations, there’s a love.  And we were getting along so well recently up until this point…

I was talking about the Ciprianos, who were convicted of murder, but you asked for ‘murderers’ so I duly obliged.

Once Amaral had been made an arguido in the Cipriano case the parents moved heaven and earth to hang on the coattails of that particular bandwagon…even to the extent of funnelling money through their detectives Metodo3 to Cipriano’s lawyer.

At the time the parents hitched their wagon to the Zapata case Eugene Zapata was on trial for murder, a murder he eventually confessed to.

[Venturi Swirl]

I was talking about the Ciprianos, who were convicted of murder, but you asked for ‘murderers’ so I duly obliged.

Once Amaral had been made an arguido in the Cipriano case the parents moved heaven and earth to hang on the coattails of that particular bandwagon…even to the extent of funnelling money through their detectives Metodo3 to Cipriano’s lawyer.

At the time the parents hitched their wagon to the Zapata case Eugene Zapata was on trial for murder, a murder he eventually confessed to.

I believe at the time the McCanns mentioned the Zapata case briefly in some interview his case had been dismissed by a judge so I’m really not sure what you’re tryin to say or do apart from a desperate attempt to smear them by association.  Is that what you’re doing Faithlilly because if so that’s rather spiteful and silly isn’t it?  But if you want me to descend  to that level, how much money has your friend Sandra managed to funnel through to convicted murderer Luke Mitchell’s legal team? 

[faithlilly]

I believe at the time the McCanns mentioned the Zapata case briefly in some interview his case had been dismissed by a judge so I’m really not sure what you’re tryin to say or do apart from a desperate attempt to smear them by association.  Is that what you’re doing Faithlilly because if so that’s rather spiteful and silly isn’t it?  But if you want me to descend  to that level, how much money has your friend Sandra managed to funnel through to convicted murderer Luke Mitchell’s legal team?

The parents associated themselves with the murderer.

Further Zapata’s case was never dismissed by a judge, the cadaver dog evidence was. His trial ended in a hung jury. While a retrial was planned Zapata admitted to the killing and the dog evidence was found to be absolutely accurate.

As to Miss Lean I’ll certainly tell her you want to ask her a question.

[sadie]

Of course if it had been me I’d have been appalled to have my name and that of my missing daughter associated in any way whatsoever with bottom feeders like the Ciprianos but hey needs must I suppose!

How dare you !!!

That case and the Michael Cook case were the two most notorious cases of injustice I have ever come across.   Two Criminal PJ Officers leading the case.  Amaral and Cristavao.  Both making money on the backs of missing girls


Poor though they were, may I remind you that Leandro was an upright citizen who worked hard to make a living for them, Leonor and the children.

From photographs Leonor kept her home and childen very clean and she was loving to them all.   Leandro worked in a dirty industry, scrap metal and car breaking IIRC, so he looked dirty.   I worked in Engineering and many of the people there looked dirty after a days work, but as soon as they got home they showered  and cleaned up.   I bet Leandro cleaned up too.  He appears very caring too.

Please do not refer to poor people as bottom feeders.  I knew a guy in PT, a clever guy, who worked in a pharmacutical company.   No Brit would have got out of bed for what he earned; I was shocked.   Goodness knows how he managed to live

Your left wing ideologies seem to have slipped a bit there, Faith.   I think that you owe them an apology tbh.

[Venturi Swirl]

The parents associated themselves with the murderer.

Further Zapata’s case was never dismissed by a judge, the cadaver dog evidence was. His trial ended in a hung jury. While a retrial was planned Zapata admitted to the killing and the dog evidence was found to be absolutely accurate.

As to Miss Lean I’ll certainly tell her you want to ask her a question.

As far as the McCanns were concerned their only interest in the Zapata case was the reliability and admissibility of the dog alerts.  They were not lending their support to a convicted murderer, certainly not in the way you and you mate have, so let’s get this straight: you claim to have higher standards than the McCanns and you claim you would studiously avoid lending support to murderers, but you’re talking pish.  As usual!

[Venturi Swirl]

How dare you !!!

That case and the Michael Cook case were the two most notorious cases of injustice I have ever come across.   Two Criminal PJ Officers leading the case.  Amaral and Cristavao.  Both making money on the backs of missing girls


Poor though they were, may I remind you that Leandro was an upright citizen who worked hard to make a living for them, Leonor and the children.

From photographs Leonor kept her home and childen very clean and she was loving to them all.   Leandro worked in a dirty industry, scrap metal and car breaking IIRC, so he looked dirty.   I worked in Engineering and many of the people there looked dirty after a days work, but as soon as they got home they showered  and cleaned up.   I bet Leandro cleaned up too.  He appears very caring too.

Please do not refer to poor people as bottom feeders.  I knew a guy in PT, a clever guy, who worked in a pharmacutical company.   No Brit would have got out of bed for what he earned; I was shocked.   Goodness knows how he managed to live

Your left wing ideologies seem to have slipped a bit there, Faith.   I think that you owe them an apology tbh.

If there’s one thing champagne socialists like Faith have in spades it’s utter contempt for the poor and the working classes.

[slartibartfast]

Many masonic halls are, yes.

True