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Title: When did being critical of immigration suddenly become racism?
Post by: Admin on January 01, 2022, 01:43:53 PM
One of our noble long-standing members has raised the question of immigration to the UK and is concerned that our sister site on Twitter is perceived as racist.

My own opinion having contributed to the Twitter site is that we are entitled to say what we think about uncontrolled illegal immigration to the UK regardless of whether those seeking asylum status are African, Middle Eastern, Indian, Chinese or from anywhere else in the world. The fact that most of these incomers is a different race to the vast majority of us living in the UK is irrelevant imo.

We welcome all views on this subject.
Title: Re: When did being critical of immigration suddenly become racism?
Post by: Admin on January 01, 2022, 05:25:44 PM
Don't be shy now...let's hear your opinions
Title: Re: When did being critical of immigration suddenly become racism?
Post by: John on January 01, 2022, 05:38:44 PM
One of our noble long-standing members has raised the question of immigration to the UK and is concerned that our sister site on Twitter is perceived as racist.

My own opinion having contributed to the Twitter site is that we are entitled to say what we think about uncontrolled illegal immigration to the UK regardless of whether those seeking asylum status are African, Middle Eastern, Indian, Chinese or from anywhere else in the world. The fact that most of these incomers is a different race to the vast majority of us living in the UK is irrelevant imo.

We welcome all views on this subject.

The simple answer is that it isn't. This is a myth put about by wokies and lefties in London to justify their attempts to fill the UK with this foreign trash.

The vast majority of British people don't want any more immigration to the UK. Having said that however, there is an argument for allowing in those with special skills that we as a society need from time to time.

It has nothing to with racism but then racism has always been promoted as an excuse for everything anti British.
Title: Re: When did being critical of immigration suddenly become racism?
Post by: Swertigo Virl on January 01, 2022, 07:30:11 PM
One of our noble long-standing members has raised the question of immigration to the UK and is concerned that our sister site on Twitter is perceived as racist.

My own opinion having contributed to the Twitter site is that we are entitled to say what we think about uncontrolled illegal immigration to the UK regardless of whether those seeking asylum status are African, Middle Eastern, Indian, Chinese or from anywhere else in the world. The fact that most of these incomers is a different race to the vast majority of us living in the UK is irrelevant imo.

We welcome all views on this subject.
Thanks for describing me as “noble” - I’m sure you weren’t being remotely sarcastic.  Just to remind you: the post of mine which attracted a warning was something along the lines of”this forum tolerates racism - just look at their twitter feed”.  I stand by what I say.  If you don’t tolerate racism perhaps you can give us an example of the kind of comment you would delete as racist.  For example, if I said that white Europeans were more intelligent and cultured than sub-Saharan Africans would such a comment be tolerated or censored?
Title: Re: When did being critical of immigration suddenly become racism?
Post by: John on January 01, 2022, 07:56:43 PM
Thanks for describing me as “noble” - I’m sure you weren’t being remotely sarcastic.  Just to remind you: the post of mine which attracted a warning was something along the lines of”this forum tolerates racism - just look at their twitter feed”.  I stand by what I say.  If you don’t tolerate racism perhaps you can give us an example of the kind of comment you would delete as racist.  For example, if I said that white Europeans were more intelligent and cultured than sub-Saharan Africans would such a comment be tolerated or censored?

Having travelling to several African countries over many years I would have to say that your statement is generally true and see no reason to delete it.
Title: Re: When did being critical of immigration suddenly become racism?
Post by: Swertigo Virl on January 01, 2022, 08:20:03 PM
Having travelling to several African countries over many years I would have to say that your statement is generally true and see no reason to delete it.
Then by the very definition of the word “racism” you tolerate it and I was correct when I wrote what I did, but instead I got a warning.  Nothing more needs to be said.
Title: Re: When did being critical of immigration suddenly become racism?
Post by: G-Unit on January 01, 2022, 08:38:45 PM
Then by the very definition of the word “racism” you tolerate it and I was correct when I wrote what I did, but instead I got a warning.  Nothing more needs to be said.

There are many differences between white Europeans and sub-Saharan Africans and many reasons for those differences. It's only racist if racial characteristics are seen as the reason for the differences.

Title: Re: When did being critical of immigration suddenly become racism?
Post by: Swertigo Virl on January 01, 2022, 09:04:28 PM
There are many differences between white Europeans and sub-Saharan Africans and many reasons for those differences. It's only racist if racial characteristics are seen as the reason for the differences.
you are wrong.

Racism is the belief that groups of humans possess different behavioral traits corresponding to inherited attributes and can be divided based on the superiority of one race over another.[1][2][3] It may also mean prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against other people because they are of a different race or ethnicity.[2] Modern variants of racism are often based in social perceptions of biological differences between peoples. These views can take the form of social actions, practices or beliefs, or political systems in which different races are ranked as inherently superior or inferior to each other, based on presumed shared inheritable traits, abilities, or qualities.[2][4] There have been attempts to legitimize racist beliefs through scientific means, which have been overwhelmingly shown to be unfounded.
Title: Re: When did being critical of immigration suddenly become racism?
Post by: G-Unit on January 01, 2022, 09:15:49 PM
you are wrong.

Racism is the belief that groups of humans possess different behavioral traits corresponding to inherited attributes and can be divided based on the superiority of one race over another.[1][2][3] It may also mean prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against other people because they are of a different race or ethnicity.[2] Modern variants of racism are often based in social perceptions of biological differences between peoples. These views can take the form of social actions, practices or beliefs, or political systems in which different races are ranked as inherently superior or inferior to each other, based on presumed shared inheritable traits, abilities, or qualities.[2][4] There have been attempts to legitimize racist beliefs through scientific means, which have been overwhelmingly shown to be unfounded.

Isn't that saying what I said? Differences being seen as due to race rather than on other factors?
Title: Re: When did being critical of immigration suddenly become racism?
Post by: John on January 01, 2022, 09:35:09 PM
Then by the very definition of the word “racism” you tolerate it and I was correct when I wrote what I did, but instead I got a warning.  Nothing more needs to be said.

It's not racism to accept that European people have processed beyond the oxen and the mud hut or that their culture doesn't include FGM or witch doctors. I'm afraid some races have not risen much above a subsistence existence which by the way is down to themselves so attempting to equate them with the sophisticated European is a non starter. Nothing to do with racism.
Title: Re: When did being critical of immigration suddenly become racism?
Post by: John on January 01, 2022, 09:42:29 PM
you are wrong.

Racism is the belief that groups of humans possess different behavioral traits corresponding to inherited attributes and can be divided based on the superiority of one race over another.[1][2][3] It may also mean prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against other people because they are of a different race or ethnicity.[2] Modern variants of racism are often based in social perceptions of biological differences between peoples. These views can take the form of social actions, practices or beliefs, or political systems in which different races are ranked as inherently superior or inferior to each other, based on presumed shared inheritable traits, abilities, or qualities.[2][4] There have been attempts to legitimize racist beliefs through scientific means, which have been overwhelmingly shown to be unfounded.

Racism is defined as a prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism by an individual, community, or institution against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized.

Pointing out that no two races are equal is not racism.

Not wanting African, Afghan, Iraqi, Chinese or Indian immigrants to swamp our beloved UK is not racism, it is just good sense. We are a small island group with 68 million of a population. Many already live below the poverty line so filling the country with hundreds of thousands of immigrants who have no cultural link whatsoever to us is a no no.
Title: Re: When did being critical of immigration suddenly become racism?
Post by: Swertigo Virl on January 01, 2022, 10:08:29 PM
Racism is defined as a prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism by an individual, community, or institution against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized.

Pointing out that no two races are equal is not racism.

Not wanting African, Afghan, Iraqi, Chinese or Indian immigrants to swamp our beloved UK is not racism, it is just good sense. We are a small island group with 68 million of a population. Many already live below the poverty line so filling the country with hundreds of thousands of immigrants who have no cultural link whatsoever to us is a no no.
So in your opinion people are not equal based on their race?  Well then like it or not that is racism.  You are tolerant of it.  I don’t really care, but I do care about being given a warning for pointing out something which is factually correct.
Title: Re: When did being critical of immigration suddenly become racism?
Post by: John on January 01, 2022, 10:21:59 PM
So in your opinion people are not equal based on their race?  Well then like it or not that is racism.  You are tolerant of it.  I don’t really care, but I do care about being given a warning for pointing out something which is factually correct.

I think you've lost the plot VS.  It's a historical fact that races evolve differently and that includes intellectually and culturally. It is NOT racism to point this out.

For example, below is a chart showing IQs in various countries. Guess which races are at the bottom?

No 74 down

https://wwiqtest.com/iq-compared-by-countries/

 
Title: Re: When did being critical of immigration suddenly become racism?
Post by: John on January 01, 2022, 10:29:16 PM
There are still three races which form the world's population, namely, Caucasoid, Negroid and Mongoloid. There are also people from a mix of these races or mixed race. Nothing is going to change that unless we get an alien intervention.

To get back to the topic of this thread, immigration. It is not racist to condemn illegal immigration for the right reasons.
Title: Re: When did being critical of immigration suddenly become racism?
Post by: Swertigo Virl on January 02, 2022, 08:07:20 AM
I think you've lost the plot VS.  It's a historical fact that races evolve differently and that includes intellectually and culturally. It is NOT racism to point this out.

For example, below is a chart showing IQs in various countries. Guess which races are at the bottom?

No 74 down

https://wwiqtest.com/iq-compared-by-countries/

 
I think you need to refresh yourself with the term “racism”.  Playing the “IQ” card in this kind of debate is a perfect example of racism.  You believe white men have a superior intellect to black men.  That is racism pure and simple.  You would presumably discriminate by race if recruiting someone for a job in a role which requires a highly developed intellect? 

“Definition of racism
1 : a belief that race is a fundamental determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race”
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/racism

By the way John, are you able to discuss this issue without being rude?  Telling me I have “lost the plot” is plain rude.  I shan’t be engaging in any further discussion about this if you continue in this vein.
Title: Re: When did being critical of immigration suddenly become racism?
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 02, 2022, 09:23:43 AM
I think you need to refresh yourself with the term “racism”.  Playing the “IQ” card in this kind of debate is a perfect example of racism.  You believe white men have a superior intellect to black men.  That is racism pure and simple.  You would presumably discriminate by race if recruiting someone for a job in a role which requires a highly developed intellect? 

“Definition of racism
1 : a belief that race is a fundamental determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race”
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/racism

By the way John, are you able to discuss this issue without being rude?  Telling me I have “lost the plot” is plain rude.  I shan’t be engaging in any further discussion about this if you continue in this vein.

Yes, just think of all the great things black men have invented. Like gangsta rap or the Soweto Necklace.

They make white inventors look very inferior.
Title: Re: When did being critical of immigration suddenly become racism?
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 03, 2022, 12:57:01 PM

Is it true that the majority of black children in Britain are living in poverty?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrjrjsTbfvc
Title: Re: When did being critical of immigration suddenly become racism?
Post by: Swertigo Virl on January 04, 2022, 07:09:14 PM
Today this noble forum’s twitter feed posted this absolute piece of garbage fake news.  Why, if not to promote hatred and fear of foreigners?

“Every one of the illegal immigrants who crossed the Channel has been caught grooming children. This is new the England that Boris Johnson and the Tories have created for us”.

Can we have a cite for this ludicrous claim please?
Title: Re: When did being critical of immigration suddenly become racism?
Post by: Carana on January 04, 2022, 09:34:38 PM
Who are not immigrants?
Title: Re: When did being critical of immigration suddenly become racism?
Post by: Carana on January 04, 2022, 09:42:09 PM
Yes, just think of all the great things black men have invented. Like gangsta rap or the Soweto Necklace.

They make white inventors look very inferior.

Are middle-Eastern people white, in your view?
Title: Re: When did being critical of immigration suddenly become racism?
Post by: Swertigo Virl on January 04, 2022, 10:31:33 PM
Are middle-Eastern people white, in your view?
please don’t feed the troll.
Title: Re: When did being critical of immigration suddenly become racism?
Post by: Carana on January 04, 2022, 10:50:31 PM
Yes, just think of all the great things black men have invented. Like gangsta rap or the Soweto Necklace.

They make white inventors look very inferior.

Would it be correct to gather that you are not a Black man who grew up under apartheid / segregation regimes with the associated difficulties in accessing the best education, and thus career opportunities ?
Title: Re: When did being critical of immigration suddenly become racism?
Post by: Swertigo Virl on January 04, 2022, 11:22:44 PM
Would it be correct to gather that you are not a Black man who grew up under apartheid / segregation regimes with the associated difficulties in accessing the best education, and thus career opportunities ?
tsk.
Title: Re: When did being critical of immigration suddenly become racism?
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 05, 2022, 07:27:05 AM
Are middle-Eastern people white, in your view?

If they are white, yes.
Title: Re: When did being critical of immigration suddenly become racism?
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 05, 2022, 07:28:23 AM
Would it be correct to gather that you are not a Black man who grew up under apartheid / segregation regimes with the associated difficulties in accessing the best education, and thus career opportunities ?

David Lammy didn't grow up in an apartheid regime, neither did Diane Abbott.

How come they're both so brainless?

Title: Re: When did being critical of immigration suddenly become racism?
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 05, 2022, 09:16:50 AM

People are very keen to denounce research about possible physical or cognitive differences between ethnic groups carried out in the past, but there seems to be little modern data on the subject. This is curious.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LgGD1kkHug
Title: Re: When did being critical of immigration suddenly become racism?
Post by: Carana on January 05, 2022, 01:11:43 PM
David Lammy didn't grow up in an apartheid regime, neither did Diane Abbott.

How come they're both so brainless?

Who do you esteem to be brilliant in UK political circles - of whichever political flavour?
Title: Re: When did being critical of immigration suddenly become racism?
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 05, 2022, 02:02:38 PM
Who do you esteem to be brilliant in UK political circles - of whichever political flavour?

Jess Phillips, her mastery of the English language & her sense of amusement at the subject of male suicide is something we can all relate to.

Seriously though, my favourite politician is Geert Wilders, we need people like him in government.

Title: Re: When did being critical of immigration suddenly become racism?
Post by: Carana on January 05, 2022, 02:20:36 PM
People are very keen to denounce research about possible physical or cognitive differences between ethnic groups carried out in the past, but there seems to be little modern data on the subject. This is curious.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LgGD1kkHug

Which species has the largest brain?
Title: Re: When did being critical of immigration suddenly become racism?
Post by: Carana on January 05, 2022, 02:21:32 PM
If they are white, yes.

What do you mean by "white"?
Title: Re: When did being critical of immigration suddenly become racism?
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 05, 2022, 02:29:12 PM
What do you mean by "white"?

Not black, or brown, or light brown, or yellow, or any other colour/shade that isn't white.
Title: Re: When did being critical of immigration suddenly become racism?
Post by: Carana on January 05, 2022, 05:10:28 PM
Not black, or brown, or light brown, or yellow, or any other colour/shade that isn't white.

I chatted with an Albino once, but he wasn't white either, aside from his hair.
Title: Re: When did being critical of immigration suddenly become racism?
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 12, 2022, 12:20:31 PM

What are the real causes of black poverty and underachievement?

The orthodox explanation for the failure of black people to earn as much as whites is routinely provided in both Britain and America as being connected in some way with racism. Looking at the history of immigration to Britain in the post-war years tends to dispel any such facile answer to a complex problem.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7UwqNmJNWs