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Disappeared and Abducted Children and Young Adults => The faked abduction of baby Daniel Freitas Abreu (1) on the island of Madeira. => Topic started by: VIXTE on January 20, 2014, 09:01:49 PM

Title: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: VIXTE on January 20, 2014, 09:01:49 PM
Monday, January 20, 2014
Missing baby boy.
An 18 month old baby boy went missing in Estreito da Calheta Sunday afternoon.
The boy has blonde fair and green eyes and wearing blue trousers, orange grey jacket, black trainers and a red dummy.

(http://lh6.ggpht.com/-4yS8ZdfRPA0/Ut0SSZCvZNI/AAAAAAAAQrg/HODZoxku3Vo/s640/1606874_10201458045600892_619709190_n_0.jpg)


Update

Unrest in Calheta as police stop search at 22.10 and will continue in the morning at 8am.

Update Monday

Its looking more likely the child has been taken, a neighbour heard a car outside at the time just before the child was reported missing
http://www.madeiraislandnews.com/2014/01/missing-baby-boy.html
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on January 20, 2014, 09:30:51 PM
Is he British?

The card with his photograph says 'Merry Christmas'
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: VIXTE on January 20, 2014, 09:43:18 PM
Is he British?

The card with his photograph says 'Merry Christmas'

There is no much about this case in the media but the uncle of the boy is Portuguese while I have seen some non Portuguese name quoted somewhere as possibly the mother

His name is Daniel Gonçalves
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: VIXTE on January 20, 2014, 09:54:01 PM
http://www.jn.pt/paginainicial/pais/concelho.aspx?Distrito=Funchal&Concelho=Calheta&Option=Interior&content_id=3640985&page=-1

Google translate

Authorities seek missing 18-month Madeira

The search to find Daniel , the baby of 18 months which disappeared Sunday afternoon , in the parish of Calheta in the west of Madeira , were resumed on Monday - morning.

(http://cdn.controlinveste.pt/Storage/JN/2014/big/ng2990844.jpg)

Lydia with her two sons, Daniel 18 months and a 3-year-old girl.

Family to the authorities , this Monday morning returned to look for Daniel was all very fast , he said. The crainça year and a half disappeared Sunday afternoon during a get-together at home godparents .

" He was standing next to me and suddenly walked into the street . Told my husband to go back. When we reached the yard no longer saw him ," said his mother , Lydia Gill , quoted by DN.
" A child of one and half a baby can not escape," says the mother .

Authorities resumed this Monday morning , searches to find Daniel , after having discontinued operations by 22:10 pm on Sunday .

" All the means are already on the ground ," told the commander of the Volunteer Firemen of Calheta.

John Joy advanced that are involved in this operation elements of the firemen , the Public Security Police ( PSP ) , Judicial Police ( PJ ) and a team of canine Republican National Guard ( GNR ) , for a total of 16 elements .

"We will focus the search in the same area we were Sunday and possibly extend the perimeter , but no new data ," he said .
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on January 20, 2014, 10:04:54 PM
http://www.jn.pt/paginainicial/pais/concelho.aspx?Distrito=Funchal&Concelho=Calheta&Option=Interior&content_id=3640985&page=-1

Google translate

Authorities seek missing 18-month Madeira

The search to find Daniel , the baby of 18 months which disappeared Sunday afternoon , in the parish of Calheta in the west of Madeira , were resumed on Monday - morning .

Family to the authorities , this Monday morning returned to look for Daniel was all very fast , he said. The crainça year and a half disappeared Sunday afternoon during a get-together at home godparents .

" He was standing next to me and suddenly walked into the street . Told my husband to go back. When we reached the yard no longer saw him ," said his mother , Lydia Gill , quoted by DN.
" A child of one and half a baby can not escape," says the mother .

Authorities resumed this Monday morning , searches to find Daniel , after having discontinued operations by 22:10 pm on Sunday .

" All the means are already on the ground ," told the commander of the Volunteer Firemen of Calheta.

John Joy advanced that are involved in this operation elements of the firemen , the Public Security Police ( PSP ) , Judicial Police ( PJ ) and a team of canine Republican National Guard ( GNR ) , for a total of 16 elements .

"We will focus the search in the same area we were Sunday and possibly extend the perimeter , but no new data ," he said .

Let's hope this fact makes for a more focused search and investigation
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: AnneGuedes on January 20, 2014, 10:14:27 PM
They stopped searching for the baby boy (totally Portuguese) this morning and are interviewing all the family (the disappearance happened at the godfather's).
It seems they've learnt the cost of respecting the despair of the parents.
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: Carana on January 20, 2014, 10:58:35 PM
They stopped searching for the baby boy (totally Portuguese) this morning and are interviewing all the family (the disappearance happened at the godfather's).
It seems they've learnt the cost of respecting the despair of the parents.

That's what I thought that I had understood... that the ground search had already ended and the family was being taken in for questioning by the PJ and that no one seems to have a clue as to what happened to the child apart from someone noticing a car nearby.

How far did this search extend before giving up?
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: Carana on January 20, 2014, 11:06:22 PM
His mother's name seems to be Lídia Gonçalves.

It sound like a family had a weekend meal together and the toddler disappeared out of view for a short time. An accident nearby? Could someone have taken him?
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: Carana on January 20, 2014, 11:08:24 PM
They stopped searching for the baby boy (totally Portuguese) this morning and are interviewing all the family (the disappearance happened at the godfather's).
It seems they've learnt the cost of respecting the despair of the parents.

What do you mean by that?
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: AnneGuedes on January 20, 2014, 11:12:27 PM
What do you mean by that?
Don't you know ? 
If you use "menino desaparecido Madeira", you'll find pictures and videos showing police searching.
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: AnneGuedes on January 20, 2014, 11:13:34 PM
His mother's name seems to be Lídia Gonçalves.

It sound like a family had a weekend meal together and the toddler disappeared out of view for a short time. An accident nearby? Could someone have taken him?
Perhaps a car accident.
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: lizzibif on January 20, 2014, 11:17:22 PM
Are the parents out searching for him..?
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: Carana on January 20, 2014, 11:36:47 PM
Have I misunderstood or have the ground searches already ended?

O coordenador da PJ da Madeira, Eduardo Nunes, encarregue de investigar o desaparecimento de um menino de 18 meses, anunciou que as operações de busca «foram dadas por terminadas».
http://diariodigital.sapo.pt/news.asp?id_news=680396
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: AnneGuedes on January 20, 2014, 11:46:53 PM
 Reply #6
They didn't give the results they got with the dogs. Secrecy !
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: Carana on January 21, 2014, 12:16:02 AM
Reply #6
They didn't give the results they got with the dogs. Secrecy !

Ok. Has there been a move to actually enforce judicial secrecy? Or doesn't CdaM have a correspondent there?
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: AnneGuedes on January 21, 2014, 01:52:14 AM
Is he British?

The card with his photograph says 'Merry Christmas'
Here in Portugal there's no tradition of sending cards of "bom natal". Therefore "merry christmas" ones are on sale.
This little boy is neither British nor was abducted from bed. No help.
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: John on January 21, 2014, 10:43:52 AM
The Judiciary Police (PJ) announced on Monday that they had "suspended" searches to find 18-month reported missing since Sunday afternoon in the parish of Calheta, Madeira.

(http://imgs.cmjornal.xl.pt/2014-01/2014-01-20084957_CA967162-B341-4FEB-88DD-FECB0766BF67$$738d42d9-134c-4fbe-a85a-da00e83fdc20$$8af96c78-31ef-4d4e-851f-c72d2b599f86$$odia_imagem_grande$$pt$$1.jpg)

Daniel, 18 months, disappeared in the Calheta.

 "The searches were completed by hand," said Eduardo Nunes told reporters, adding that "all scenarios are open" and remain unknown location of the child.

 "We do not know what happened. We are trying to collect evidence that will allow us to realize in fact what happened. The only thing we know is a child who disappeared here," said the guardian.

 However, the child's parents, Daniel Freitas Abreu, were referred in the car of PJ to Funchal where you will be heard, Lusa found on site.

 The uncle of the child, Vicente Freitas, whose house was in the child with the family, the site of the Kings Above, in the western part of the island of Madeira, told Lusa that "was not the first time that Daniel" was in Local and disappeared around 14:30.  "We do not understand what happened," he said.

 The searches triggered by elements of Fire, PSP and PJ were unsuccessful and interrupted at night, were resumed this morning, reinforced with a team of canine GNR, however have now been given as "suspended".

www.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=www.cmjornal.xl.pt%2Fdetalhe%2Fnoticias%2Fnacional%2Fportugal%2Fpais-do-bebe-desaparecido-na-madeira-levados-pela-pj
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: John on January 21, 2014, 10:50:17 AM
www.cmtv.sapo.pt/detalhe.aspx?channelID=34F5E1B7-BABF-4C08-83FC-20AF9E097CDA&contentID=6772390F-45F5-431B-A124-0CF50108989E
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on January 21, 2014, 04:15:11 PM
Here in Portugal there's no tradition of sending cards of "bom natal". Therefore "merry christmas" ones are on sale.
This little boy is neither British nor was abducted from bed. No help.

Thanks for that interesting information, Anne.

So much for the powers of deduction.
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: Angelo222 on January 21, 2014, 04:26:56 PM
Madeira is a beautiful island but when you go away from the coast it rises sharply and has an interior with many hills and valleys.  A main road circumnavigates the island with few if any other roads or tracks because of the challenging terrain.  Most homes in the interior are only linked by footpaths.

This baby could be hard to find.
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: Redblossom on January 21, 2014, 04:47:45 PM
According to this, police viewing parents as suspects....sorry, cant do google translate


http://www.noticiasaominuto.com/pais/161956/pais-de-bebe-desaparecido-tornam-se-principais-suspeitos#.Ut6y3GuQGSN


also another article and video from yesterday


http://www.publico.pt/sociedade/noticia/pj-admite-rapto-de-crianca-na%20madeira-mas-nao-exclui-outros-cenarios-1620429
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on January 21, 2014, 06:28:42 PM
According to this, police viewing parents as suspects....sorry, cant do google translate


http://www.noticiasaominuto.com/pais/161956/pais-de-bebe-desaparecido-tornam-se-principais-suspeitos#.Ut6y3GuQGSN


also another article and video from yesterday


http://www.publico.pt/sociedade/noticia/pj-admite-rapto-de-crianca-na%20madeira-mas-nao-exclui-outros-cenarios-1620429

Interesting that it says at the bottom of the second article that, according to the PJ, eight children are currently missing in Portugal. That's a lot of children from a small country isn't it?
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: Redblossom on January 21, 2014, 06:44:29 PM
Interesting that it says at the bottom of the second article that, according to the PJ, eight children are currently missing in Portugal. That's a lot of children from a small country isn't it?
I dont know what the article says but 8 kids in a population of 10 million is not large, its far fewer than the uk eg, less than half, in a population of 65 million 200 missing, and dont understand what point youre making here

Eta MUCH less than half

Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on January 21, 2014, 06:48:10 PM
I dont know what the article says but 8 kids in a population of 10 million is not large, its far fewer than the uk eg, less than half, in a population of 65 million 200 missing, and dont understand what point youre making here

I didn't realise so many were missing in the UK...that's a terrifying number..eight sounded bad enough to me!
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: AnneGuedes on January 21, 2014, 06:50:50 PM
Interesting that it says at the bottom of the second article that, according to the PJ, eight children are currently missing in Portugal. That's a lot of children from a small country isn't it?
Among those 8 most "are" already adults, as you may see on the PJ page dedicated to missing people.
https://www.policiajudiciaria.pt/PortalWeb/page/%7BAA001182-B622-459A-BF72-FD6EDD83C76F%7D/?portletLabel=T2608720801203616720906&actionSubmitted=navegacaoPessoasDesaparecidas&portletParameter=pessoasDesaparecidas&portletNav=1 (https://www.policiajudiciaria.pt/PortalWeb/page/%7BAA001182-B622-459A-BF72-FD6EDD83C76F%7D/?portletLabel=T2608720801203616720906&actionSubmitted=navegacaoPessoasDesaparecidas&portletParameter=pessoasDesaparecidas&portletNav=1)

The mother just wants her baby back and the father is critical of the PJ work..
http://www.tvi24.iol.pt/503/sociedade/bebe-madeira-daniel-desaparecido-crianca-tvi24/1530191-4071.html (http://www.tvi24.iol.pt/503/sociedade/bebe-madeira-daniel-desaparecido-crianca-tvi24/1530191-4071.html)
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: Redblossom on January 21, 2014, 07:02:21 PM
I didn't realise so many were missing in the UK...that's a terrifying number..eight sounded bad enough to me!

missing kids can be 1-18

I doubt there are any more cases than you can count on one finger, maybe two, maybe three, of an 18 month missing from home and taken by a stranger....perhaps he crawled and toddled out so far no one could find him...maybe..it happened with that poor couple in australia, iirc, their 2 yr old or similar age, crawled out and fell down a drain

Another case in a week of lets see

Eta sorry it was NZ

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10602845

Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: AnneGuedes on January 21, 2014, 07:06:22 PM
I dont know what the article says but 8 kids in a population of 10 million is not large, its far fewer than the uk eg, less than half, in a population of 65 million 200 missing, and dont understand what point youre making here

Eta MUCH less than half
200 per year ?
Every Five Minutes. A Review of the Available Data on. Missing Children in the UK.
http://www.gpdg.co.uk/pact_old/pdf/E5M.pdf (http://www.gpdg.co.uk/pact_old/pdf/E5M.pdf)
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: Redblossom on January 21, 2014, 07:11:19 PM
200 per year ?
Every Five Minutes. A Review of the Available Data on. Missing Children in the UK.
http://www.gpdg.co.uk/pact_old/pdf/E5M.pdf (http://www.gpdg.co.uk/pact_old/pdf/E5M.pdf)

I just looked previously at


http://missingkids.co.uk/

Current missing

PACT? No comment!! has dirty name now..as do a few so called charities...
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: AnneGuedes on January 21, 2014, 07:21:57 PM
I just looked previously at


http://missingkids.co.uk/

Current missing

PACT? No comment!! has dirty name now..as do a few so called charities...
It happens in many charities, not only this particular one.. Donators don't mind... They donate to donate... taking it off their income revenue.
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: AnneGuedes on January 21, 2014, 07:36:19 PM
The father - Somebody got in, seized the baby and took him away.
http://www.sabado.pt/Ultima-hora/Desporto/Pai-de-menino-desaparecido-critica-Policia-Judicia.aspx (http://www.sabado.pt/Ultima-hora/Desporto/Pai-de-menino-desaparecido-critica-Policia-Judicia.aspx)
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: AnneGuedes on January 21, 2014, 08:12:45 PM
The dogs lose the trail of the baby at the house door, as if he didn't go outside, at least walking.
A neighbour heard clearly a car stop for a little while, but the baby's mother said she heard nothing.
The parents are very young and have no job.
I wonder.
http://expresso.sapo.pt/pais-de-crianca-desaparecida-na-madeira-regressam-a-casa=f851621?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=mail&utm_campaign=newsletter&utm_content=2014-01-21 (http://expresso.sapo.pt/pais-de-crianca-desaparecida-na-madeira-regressam-a-casa=f851621?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=mail&utm_campaign=newsletter&utm_content=2014-01-21)
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: Lyall on January 21, 2014, 08:18:42 PM
I hope there's a happy outcome 8((()*/
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: Redblossom on January 21, 2014, 08:25:30 PM
The dogs lose the trail of the baby at the house door, as if he didn't go outside, at least walking.
A neighbour heard clearly a car stop for a little while,
but the baby's mother said she heard nothing.
The parents are very young and have no job.
I wonder.
http://expresso.sapo.pt/pais-de-crianca-desaparecida-na-madeira-regressam-a-casa=f851621?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=mail&utm_campaign=newsletter&utm_content=2014-01-21 (http://expresso.sapo.pt/pais-de-crianca-desaparecida-na-madeira-regressam-a-casa=f851621?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=mail&utm_campaign=newsletter&utm_content=2014-01-21)

Bungled in a car then? Or not....hope the little mite is found

Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: AnneGuedes on January 21, 2014, 08:44:43 PM
Bungled in a car then? Or not....hope the little mite is found
They say it's a calm street, not much traffic.
They're analysing the CCTV of a close by house owned by immigrants in the UK, it seems the camera spots a part of the street.
I wonder.
Not an abduction, no. The coincidence of the baby alone outside the door and a car of to be adopters passing by is null.
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: Redblossom on January 21, 2014, 08:53:43 PM
They say it's a calm street, not much traffic.
They're analysing the CCTV of a close by house owned by immigrants in the UK, it seems the camera spots a part of the street.
I wonder.
Not an abduction, no. The coincidence of the baby alone outside the door and a car of to be adopters passing by is null.

Do you mean abductors?

yes null..I agree

Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: AnneGuedes on January 21, 2014, 09:00:14 PM
Do you mean abductors?

yes null..I agree
I mean somebody with a terrible desire of a child.
18 months, he wouldn't scream if the person is very soft and caring.
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: VIXTE on January 21, 2014, 09:04:20 PM
It was on an island.. how can anyone take him away from there?

He must still be there..where else he would be?
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: Redblossom on January 21, 2014, 09:07:43 PM
I mean somebody with a terrible desire of a child.
18 months, he wouldn't scream if the person is very soft and caring.

Oh right maybe.....thats a good way to steal a child..to adopt...just drive by and be nice to them

Im too cynical as most cases are not stranger abductions..the ones that are I feel sorry for...the liars that pretend their children were abducted, well.....
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: Redblossom on January 21, 2014, 09:39:52 PM
Ok lets recap

Baby crawled off on its own out and not found, but no dog scent anywhere and no baby found in all the searches

Baby crawled out on its own just at just the time an opportunistic or planned abduction happened as if they knew the baby would crawl out!

A family member took him/ a family member arranged for it....

 >@@(*&)




Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: Carana on January 22, 2014, 10:13:31 AM
Good news!

Someone responsible for maintaining a canal has just found him alive.

http://www.madeiraislandnews.com/2014/01/missing-baby-boy.html
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: Angelo222 on January 22, 2014, 10:29:20 AM
An unbelievable end to this story as Daniel has been found alive along by an irrigation channel close to the home he went missing from. Good news but still lots of questions to be answered as I don't see how a 18 month old could survive 3 days alone.  The Portuguese police couldn't have done a very good job of searching the area around the godparents house but then again this is Madeira we're talking about.

Will be more to this story later. Daniel has now been taken to the health centre for checks.


Hallelujah   8@??)( 8@??)(
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: Carana on January 22, 2014, 10:48:58 AM
He was found asleep on some kind of sluice-gate by the gate operator... 2km away.

www.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=www.cmjornal.xl.pt%2Fdetalhe%2Fnoticias%2Fnacional%2Fportugal%2Fbebe-da-madeira-encontrado-com-vida095428070


...added Englsh link....
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: Angelo222 on January 22, 2014, 10:56:10 AM
I find it very hard to believe that a toddler who could barely walk could  travel a distance of 2 Km.

Could someone have lifted him and then had second thoughts about what they had done?
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: AnneGuedes on January 22, 2014, 10:57:31 AM

They took him to the hospital to make sure, he didn't look unwell.
Yes, Angelo, I wonder..
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: AnneGuedes on January 22, 2014, 11:00:03 AM
Moses Saved from the Waters
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: Redblossom on January 22, 2014, 11:19:21 AM
Good news!

Maybe the abductor heard the mothers appeal yesterday, see video below, and left him somewhere he knew he would be found, so he wasnt either alone or unfed for three days or got there by himself..mind you you would think he would make a phone call instead of just dumping a baby where he did!


http://www.publico.pt/sociedade/noticia/amigos-da-familia-de-crianca-desaparecida-na-madeira-organizam-buscas-1620612

Eta

Of course he might have taken the boy and left him where he was found the same day, so how he survived is a miracle, but who takes a baby and just dumps them a couple kms away? For what reason?
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: Carana on January 22, 2014, 11:38:34 AM
I find it very hard to believe that a toddler who could barely walk could  travel a distance of 2 Km.

Could someone have lifted him and then had second thoughts about what they had done?

I don't see how he could have got that far on his own, either. Someone had heard / seen a car nearby, but I don't know how seriously this was taken.

According to the article above, the PJ called off the search on Monday when he wasn't found nearby, quizzed the parents (and presumably the rest of the family), and were then going to organise a broader search today.



Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: Eleanor on January 22, 2014, 11:45:32 AM

The PJ haven't exactly covered themselves in glory, have they.
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: jassi on January 22, 2014, 11:56:11 AM
The PJ haven't exactly covered themselves in glory, have they.

Who knows ?
The case isn't resolved yet. The fact that the child has been found merely raises more questions.
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: AnneGuedes on January 22, 2014, 11:58:24 AM
I don't know how seriously this was taken.
What do you mean ?
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: AnneGuedes on January 22, 2014, 12:13:36 PM
The complex irrigation system in Madeira has to be checked at regular times. The checker heard a crying at 4am. The little boy was wet and a bit cold.
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: Redblossom on January 22, 2014, 12:31:33 PM
Who knows ?
The case isn't resolved yet. The fact that the child has been found merely raises more questions.

Doesnt it just, seems like a pointless "abduction"

Lets hope police get to the bottom of it
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: Carana on January 22, 2014, 12:40:35 PM
What do you mean ?

Exactly what I said. A neighbour hearing a car doesn't exactly mean much unless she was able to give more details.
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: Carana on January 22, 2014, 01:07:59 PM
The complex irrigation system in Madeira has to be checked at regular times. The checker heard a crying at 4am. The little boy was wet and a bit cold.

The information seems confused at the moment.

According to this, he was found by the guy at 8.30 am.

A criança foi encontrada numa levada – um canal construído para conduzir água –, a cerca de dois quilómetros de casa, por um funcionário da represa de água, na Calheta, Madeira, por volta das 8h30 e não corre perigo de vida.
http://www.cmjornal.xl.pt/detalhe/noticias/nacional/portugal/bebe-da-madeira-encontrado-com-vida095428070

Which would make more sense if he was admitted in A&E at 9.30.
"A criança acabou de dar entrada (09h30) nas Urgências, aparentemente está bem, com sintomas de hipotermia, e está a ser avaliado pelos médicos da Pediatria", adiantou fonte da unidade de saúde.
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: AnneGuedes on January 22, 2014, 02:06:57 PM
The information seems confused at the moment.

According to this, he was found by the guy at 8.30 am.

A criança foi encontrada numa levada – um canal construído para conduzir água –, a cerca de dois quilómetros de casa, por um funcionário da represa de água, na Calheta, Madeira, por volta das 8h30 e não corre perigo de vida.
http://www.cmjornal.xl.pt/detalhe/noticias/nacional/portugal/bebe-da-madeira-encontrado-com-vida095428070

Which would make more sense if he was admitted in A&E at 9.30.
"A criança acabou de dar entrada (09h30) nas Urgências, aparentemente está bem, com sintomas de hipotermia, e está a ser avaliado pelos médicos da Pediatria", adiantou fonte da unidade de saúde.
The information came from an official site. The toddler was first brought to a Health Center.
Then the mother arrived and they were taken to the Hospital.
Temperature = 35 C, very slight hypothermy
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: Carana on January 22, 2014, 02:12:38 PM
The information came from an official site. The toddler was first brought to a Health Center.
Then the mother arrived and they were taken to the Hospital.
Temperature = 35 C, very slight hypothermy

I'm aware of that. The question is when the canal worker found him. At 3 am? 4 am? Or at 8.30 am? The news is confusing. I find it more logical that he'd found the baby at 8.30 and he was admitted to the health centre by 9.30.
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: Lyall on January 22, 2014, 02:17:56 PM
The PJ haven't exactly covered themselves in glory, have they.

 ?8)@)-)

There's always one: Just rejoice at that news 8((()*/
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: Carana on January 22, 2014, 02:39:25 PM
?8)@)-)

There's always one: Just rejoice at that news 8((()*/

I'm amazed and very happy that this little boy has been found alive. Whatever happened, the main thing is that he's ok.
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: Lyall on January 22, 2014, 02:40:38 PM
I'm amazed and very happy that this little boy has been found alive. Whatever happened, the main thing is that he's ok.

8((()*/ Nice one.
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: AnneGuedes on January 22, 2014, 02:41:59 PM
I'm amazed and very happy that this little boy has been found alive. Whatever happened, the main thing is that he's ok.
Let's hope his parents are as well. No job and a request to the SS for alimonies.
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: Eleanor on January 22, 2014, 02:44:39 PM
?8)@)-)

There's always one: Just rejoice at that news 8((()*/

You think The PJ did a good job, do you?  That baby could have died while they were trying to blame the parents.
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: AnneGuedes on January 22, 2014, 02:45:01 PM
I'm aware of that. The question is when the canal worker found him. At 3 am? 4 am? Or at 8.30 am? The news is confusing. I find it more logical that he'd found the baby at 8.30 and he was admitted to the health centre by 9.30.
Does it matter ? The doctor finds it hard to believe the baby (in good shape, just a bit hungry) resisted for so long with a night temperature under 10C.
His strong crying saved him.
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: Lyall on January 22, 2014, 02:47:21 PM
You think The PJ did a good job, do you?  That baby could have died while they were trying to blame the parents.

All over Europe on discussion boards they may well be saying "those Scottish police aren't very good are they?", but is that fair? We only get 1% of the story from reading papers, be those papers in Scotland, England or Portugal.

Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: Redblossom on January 22, 2014, 02:50:45 PM
All over Europe on discussion boards they may well be saying "those Scottish police aren't very good are they?", but is that fair? We only get 1% of the story from reading papers, be those papers in Scotland, England or Portugal.

PJ are crap all the time for some people


 @)(++(*

How many countries require one to have a degree before applying? To work for CID
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: AnneGuedes on January 22, 2014, 03:04:07 PM
PJ are crap all the time for some people


 @)(++(*

How many countries require one to have a degree before applying? To work for CID
How many police forces lose their time investigating psychics' visions, suspects' dreams and other hair crooks' inventions ?
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: Carana on January 22, 2014, 03:10:22 PM
Let's hope his parents are as well. No job and a request to the SS for alimonies.

Alimony? Had a previous marriage broken down?



Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: AnneGuedes on January 22, 2014, 03:17:01 PM
Alimony? Had a previous marriage broken down?
I mean a monthly money contribution.
They most likely had no regular job before being jobless, otherwise they would be entitled to welfare.
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 22, 2014, 03:19:06 PM
PJ are crap all the time for some people


 @)(++(*

How many countries require one to have a degree before applying? To work for CID

 depends on the standard of the degree...
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: Carana on January 22, 2014, 03:23:25 PM
I mean a monthly money contribution.
They most likely had no regular job before being jobless, otherwise they would be entitled to welfare.

Ok. So you mean unemployment benefit, as opposed to alimony.

Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: jassi on January 22, 2014, 03:26:39 PM
depends on the standard of the degree...

To join the UK police, you don't seem to need any formal qualifications at all.
I found that surprising as I thought some decent GCSE' would have been the minimum.
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: Eleanor on January 22, 2014, 03:28:12 PM
That child did not get to where he was found, on his own.  He was picked up from somewhere very near the house, possibly hidden for a short while, and then dumped in what to me sounds like a very dangerous place.

Could it have been a deranged and grieving mother who stole him, and then her actions counter acted by a member of her family?.  Worth looking at, at least.

But the point is that the child was almost certainly taken by someone, and no one saw a thing, in the middle of the day.

Add this one to The Statistics.
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: Redblossom on January 22, 2014, 03:30:10 PM
How many police forces lose their time investigating psychics' visions, suspects' dreams and other hair crooks' inventions ?

The PJ were lambasted for poor investigation...l.think they took their time and resources to investigate even stupid psychic reports!!! On top of all of the false and planted sightings on top of what they normally had to investigate...and they had the british media on their backs as well....calling them names,, no doubt with the aiding and abetting ofthe mccanns and family, disgraceful  story
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: AnneGuedes on January 22, 2014, 03:34:23 PM
Ok. So you mean unemployment benefit, as opposed to alimony.
No, I didn't say that. When people are in a precarious situation they have the right to request a financial help from the SS. The situation is analysed and, if justified, a pension or allimony is paid. Nothing to do with unemployment department : to get money from there, you must have lost your job.
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: Redblossom on January 22, 2014, 03:35:21 PM
To join the UK police, you don't seem to need any formal qualifications at all.
I found that surprising as I thought some decent GCSE' would have been the minimum.

 @)(++(*

oh dear
I guess a degree is slightly  better overall
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: Eleanor on January 22, 2014, 03:42:06 PM

A Degree doesn't teach you Common Sense.  And I don't think anyone has invented a Degree in that yet.
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: jassi on January 22, 2014, 03:42:19 PM
@)(++(*

oh dear
I guess a degree is slightly  better overall

I would think so, but perhaps goes to explain Redwood's progress. I wonder what his qualifications are ?
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: Redblossom on January 22, 2014, 03:56:31 PM
I would think so, but perhaps goes to explain Redwood's progress. I wonder what his qualifications are ?

No idea but he is not the one doing the work, dosnt matter too much but my original comment referred to accusations of members of the PJ being incompetent fkwits...which is a bit stupid
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: AnneGuedes on January 22, 2014, 04:04:49 PM
No idea but he is not the one doing the work, dosnt matter too much but my original comment referred to accusations of members of the PJ being incompetent fkwits...which is a bit stupid
Common sense is the most fairly distributed thing in the world, for each one thinks he is so well-endowed with it that even those who are hardest to satisfy in all other matters are not in the habit of desiring more of it than they already have.
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: AnneGuedes on January 22, 2014, 04:08:26 PM
And
It is not enough to have a good mind; the main thing is to use it well
 ?{)(**
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: AnneGuedes on January 22, 2014, 04:18:13 PM
No exhaution signs, 3 km from the house, close to a path used by tourists and in a part searched by officials and volunteers...
http://www.publico.pt/sociedade/noticia/bebe-desaparecido-na-madeira-encontrado-com-vida-1620635 (http://www.publico.pt/sociedade/noticia/bebe-desaparecido-na-madeira-encontrado-com-vida-1620635)
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: jassi on January 22, 2014, 04:27:47 PM
Presumably placed there recently. Question is who? Stranger or not?
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: Eleanor on January 22, 2014, 04:32:27 PM
Presumably placed there recently. Question is who? Stranger or not?

Well it won't have been one of the family, will it.
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: jassi on January 22, 2014, 04:44:30 PM
Well it won't have been one of the family, will it.

Certainly could be - perhaps someone with a grudge. We simply don't know, so should not discard any possibility.
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: Lyall on January 22, 2014, 04:46:36 PM
Well it won't have been one of the family, will it.

You could be an expert witness you know 8)-)))

Barrister to Eleanor: I put it to you that...

Eleanor: No, I'm not having that!

 8)--))
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: Eleanor on January 22, 2014, 04:49:00 PM
Certainly could be - perhaps someone with a grudge. We simply don't know, so should not discard any possibility.

Oh My God.  You really are desperate.
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: jassi on January 22, 2014, 04:50:11 PM
Oh My God.  You really are desperate.

Not at all - you clearly have a closed mind and have excluded any possibility other than a stranger.
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: Carana on January 22, 2014, 04:52:20 PM
No, I didn't say that. When people are in a precarious situation they have the right to request a financial help from the SS. The situation is analysed and, if justified, a pension or allimony is paid. Nothing to do with unemployment department : to get money from there, you must have lost your job.

Perhaps they did get a small amount of money to survive. The economy in Madeira doesn't seem that great at the moment, so that could apply to lots of people.

It still doesn't explain how the toddler was found 2 kms or more away.

We'll see, I suppose. Perhaps the entire family was "innit" or a stranger was.

The main thing is that he's ok.



Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: AnneGuedes on January 22, 2014, 04:57:02 PM
Perhaps they did get a small amount of money to survive. The economy in Madeira doesn't seem that great at the moment, so that could apply to lots of people.

It still doesn't explain how the toddler was found 2 kms or more away.

We'll see, I suppose. Perhaps the entire family was "innit" or a stranger was.

The main thing is that he's ok.
Why don't you read, Carana ? They made a request, nothing has yet be granted.
A baby is fine if his parents are fine.
This baby will likely be considered miraculous and get special attention.
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: Eleanor on January 22, 2014, 05:01:19 PM
Why don't you read, Carana ? They made a request, nothing has yet be granted.
A baby is fine if his parents are fine.
This baby will likely be considered miraculous and get special attention.

If he doesn't get taken into care because his parents took their eyes off him for five minutes.
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: Carana on January 22, 2014, 05:13:50 PM
Why don't you read, Carana ? They made a request, nothing has yet be granted.
A baby is fine if his parents are fine.
This baby will likely be considered miraculous and get special attention.

I am trying to read, Anne.

I've read that he was found at either 3 am, 4 am, or at 8.30 am. That the searches stopped on Monday, that they didn't....

Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: AnneGuedes on January 22, 2014, 05:36:37 PM
I am trying to read, Anne.

I've read that he was found at either 3 am, 4 am, or at 8.30 am. That the searches stopped on Monday, that they didn't....
There's also before 8am ... I haven't seen 3am.  The searches stopped on Monday afternoon. I think the police understood that the story wasn't well told.. But volunteers went on searching.
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: Carana on January 22, 2014, 05:50:25 PM
There's also before 8am ... I haven't seen 3am.  The searches stopped on Monday afternoon. I think the police understood that the story wasn't well told.. But volunteers went on searching.

Anne, I think that the expression of "a story not well told" would translate as "the story was fishy".

But there was still a baby boy who hadn't been found - dead or alive, in cold weather. Why did the official search stop (if the reports are correct)? Why did the searches stop during the night? Didn't they have torches? The PJ could have ordered the search to continue while interrogating the family; one avenue of enquiry doesn't exclude the other, surely?
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: AnneGuedes on January 22, 2014, 05:59:50 PM
Anne, I think that the expression of "a story not well told" would translate as "the story was fishy".

But there was still a baby boy who hadn't been found - dead or alive, in cold weather. Why did the official search stop (if the reports are correct)? Why did the searches stop during the night? Didn't they have torches? The PJ could have ordered the search to continue while interrogating the family; one avenue of enquiry doesn't exclude the other, surely?
Mikaeel could hardly be thought walking miles on his own, but he had his boots and hood on and it wasn't impossible.
But this 18 months had just started to walk, the ground is steep and wild, they looked in holes and drains and pools in a 2 km circle, they searched during the night and then decided it was vain. With a certain reason. Why not look on the other side of the island ?
Let's wait and see who put that baby near a frequented path..
They said his nappies were dirty. How much dirty I wonder.
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on January 22, 2014, 07:17:42 PM
Mikaeel could hardly be thought walking miles on his own, but he had his boots and hood on and it wasn't impossible.
But this 18 months had just started to walk, the ground is steep and wild, they looked in holes and drains and pools in a 2 km circle, they searched during the night and then decided it was vain. With a certain reason. Why not look on the other side of the island ?
Let's wait and see who put that baby near a frequented path..
They said his nappies were dirty. How much dirty I wonder.

!

Thank goodness this little boy has been found.

Perhaps it suggests that there is indeed such a thing as abductors handing children back.
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: AnneGuedes on January 22, 2014, 08:15:17 PM
!

Thank goodness this little boy has been found.

Perhaps it suggests that there is indeed such a thing as abductors handing children back.
A screaming without stopping baby ?
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: AnneGuedes on January 22, 2014, 08:17:46 PM
I've read that in the North of Portugal, some 12 years ago, a 2 years old boy had walked for 7 km, rain and chilly, in the country side, without shoes.
He left after lunch and was found in the middle of the night.
But he wasn't alone, he was with his dog.
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: Lyall on January 22, 2014, 08:24:54 PM
I've read that in the North of Portugal, some 12 years ago, a 2 years old boy had walked for 7 km, rain and chilly, in the country side, without shoes.
He left after lunch and was found in the middle of the night.
But he wasn't alone, he was with his dog.

Was it sponsored? Seems a waste otherwise 8)-)))
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on January 22, 2014, 08:29:11 PM
A screaming without stopping baby ?

Presumably an abductor would have factored that in at the start...
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: AnneGuedes on January 22, 2014, 08:35:42 PM
I had never heard of it.

(http://www.dnoticias.pt/sites/default/files/imagecache/body_300/Joel.jpg)

The case of little Daniel brought the memory of the inhabitants of Ventozelo in Tras-os-Montes, the anguish experienced 13 years ago with the disappearance of a two year old boy found miles from home.

www.google.com/translate?hl=en&ie=UTF8&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dnoticias.pt%2Factualidade%2Fmadeira%2F427148-caso-de-daniel-trouxe-a-memoria-outro-desaparecimento-em-tras-os-montes
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: AnneGuedes on January 22, 2014, 08:37:21 PM
Presumably an abductor would have factored that in at the start...
His disappearance was very silent..
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: drummer on January 22, 2014, 08:41:50 PM
Thank goodness the baby has been found.

I find it strange that people who slate the McCann's for leaving their children unattended do not mention how terrible it is that the Portuguese police called off their search during the evening whilst this poor baby was missing. How could any police force find it acceptable to call off the search knowing that an 18 month old child could be out there on his own.
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: VIXTE on January 22, 2014, 09:51:25 PM
I am so so happy to hear that news!

Thanks god! And thanks universe!

Finally some good news!


Re him walking a long distance, my little niece went missing on a beach, she was 2 and she walked to the third beach around, some 500 meters.. the beaches were full of people and nobody noticed it.. police was called but luckily someone brought her back :)

So a child is able to walk for a long distance.

But 3 km is a bit too long!

When I was little a little boy went missing in my grandma's region, he 3 years old, the search went on for 4 days and they found him dead and frozen on a mountain, around 30 km away.. how he got there nobody knew.  8)><(

That story really changed my life.. The boy was having an afternoon nap with his mum, mum was tired and she did not notice him sneaking out of the bed. He went  out and met his little girl friend and they decided to to go to his grandad's but they got lost, the girl was found alive one km away but the search for boy was for days.. it was so much rain and so cold, people were exhausted but they never stopped searching until they found him. :(
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: AnneGuedes on January 22, 2014, 09:58:24 PM
This toddler was one year and a half. Big difference.
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: AnneGuedes on January 22, 2014, 10:23:26 PM
You can see where the toddler was found and the man who found him. The father refused to answer to the journalist.

www.google.com/translate?hl=en&ie=UTF8&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tvi24.iol.pt%2F503%2Fsociedade%2Fmadeira-crianca-rapto-pj-coordenador-daniel%2F1530661-4071.html


http://www.tvi24.iol.pt/503/sociedade/madeira-crianca-rapto-pj-coordenador-daniel/1530661-4071.html (http://www.tvi24.iol.pt/503/sociedade/madeira-crianca-rapto-pj-coordenador-daniel/1530661-4071.html)
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: VIXTE on January 22, 2014, 10:26:42 PM
This toddler was one year and a half. Big difference.

I agree with you..One and a half can merely walk..
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: Carana on January 22, 2014, 11:51:19 PM
I am so so happy to hear that news!

Thanks god! And thanks universe!

Finally some good news!


Re him walking a long distance, my little niece went missing on a beach, she was 2 and she walked to the third beach around, some 500 meters.. the beaches were full of people and nobody noticed it.. police was called but luckily someone brought her back :)

So a child is able to walk for a long distance.

But 3 km is a bit too long!

When I was little a little boy went missing in my grandma's region, he 3 years old, the search went on for 4 days and they found him dead and frozen on a mountain, around 30 km away.. how he got there nobody knew.  8)><(

That story really changed my life.. The boy was having an afternoon nap with his mum, mum was tired and she did not notice him sneaking out of the bed. He went  out and met his little girl friend and they decided to to go to his grandad's but they got lost, the girl was found alive one km away but the search for boy was for days.. it was so much rain and so cold, people were exhausted but they never stopped searching until they found him. :(

I'm very happy that the little boy in Madeira has been found. And I feel sad about the story from your childhood. I can understand that it must have touched you.
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on January 23, 2014, 12:57:37 AM
You can see where the toddler was found and the man who found him. The father refused to answer to the journalist.
http://www.tvi24.iol.pt/503/sociedade/madeira-crianca-rapto-pj-coordenador-daniel/1530661-4071.html (http://www.tvi24.iol.pt/503/sociedade/madeira-crianca-rapto-pj-coordenador-daniel/1530661-4071.html)

The video is incredible. Amazing good fortune that the man found him when he did, in such a relatively remote area.
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: Eleanor on January 23, 2014, 05:30:55 AM

I would be most surprised if he got there on his own.  That water gully scared me witless.  And God forbid if he had been found dead due to an accident.  Who would have believed his parents were innocent?  No wonder his father didn't want to speak to the journalist.  He was half way to being stitched up.
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: John on January 23, 2014, 09:48:43 AM
You can see where the toddler was found and the man who found him. The father refused to answer to the journalist.
http://www.tvi24.iol.pt/503/sociedade/madeira-crianca-rapto-pj-coordenador-daniel/1530661-4071.html (http://www.tvi24.iol.pt/503/sociedade/madeira-crianca-rapto-pj-coordenador-daniel/1530661-4071.html)

How on earth an 18-month-old baby manage to get so far in such terrain is incredible.
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: John on January 23, 2014, 09:55:13 AM
Thank goodness the baby has been found.

I find it strange that people who slate the McCann's for leaving their children unattended do not mention how terrible it is that the Portuguese police called off their search during the evening whilst this poor baby was missing. How could any police force find it acceptable to call off the search knowing that an 18 month old child could be out there on his own.

I bet they were gobsmacked when he turned up 2 km away and in such rough terrain.   I can understand them calling off the search when Daniel was nowhere to be found within a km of his godparents house, just goes to show though.  Had he fallen into a ditch and been drowned and then found would they now be looking for an abductor/killer?
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: Lyall on January 23, 2014, 10:00:43 AM
I would be most surprised if he got there on his own.  That water gully scared me witless.  And God forbid if he had been found dead due to an accident.  Who would have believed his parents were innocent?  No wonder his father didn't want to speak to the journalist.  He was half way to being stitched up.

Maybe he needed to find himself a spokesperson >@@(*&)
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: Luz on January 23, 2014, 10:03:51 AM
The video is incredible. Amazing good fortune that the man found him when he did, in such a relatively remote area.

Not a remote area. It's a place that is daily checked by public servants to make sure the water flows through those channels ("levadas") and that it is very close from where the child went missing.
Whoever took him made sure he was found within a very short period after he was left there. No signs of hypothermia although it was very low temperature. Only mild signs of dehydration that were immediately corrected at the Hospital.

The PJ are investigating the parents, close relatives and friends as the most probably implicated.
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: Eleanor on January 23, 2014, 10:12:28 AM
I bet they were gobsmacked when he turned up 2 km away and in such rough terrain.   I can understand them calling off the search when Daniel was nowhere to be found within a km of his godparents house, just goes to show though.  Had he fallen into a ditch and been drowned and then found would they now be looking for an abductor/killer?

Of course they wouldn't.  Would you?  Even I might have been sucked in.

The whole thing is a disgrace.  Have The PJ not learned anything?

And just as a matter of interest, it was bright moonlight here for all of the three nights.  Same time, give one hour, and the same hemisphere.
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: Eleanor on January 23, 2014, 10:17:49 AM
Not a remote area. It's a place that is daily checked by public servants to make sure the water flows through those channels ("levadas") and that it is very close from where the child went missing.
Whoever took him made sure he was found within a very short period after he was left there. No signs of hypothermia although it was very low temperature. Only mild signs of dehydration that were immediately corrected at the Hospital.

The PJ are investigating the parents, close relatives and friends as the most probably implicated.

So the parents dropped him off half way up a Levada and hoped he would drown or die from some other means?

Do you ever read what you write?  Or are you just obsessed with parents killing their children?
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: Luz on January 23, 2014, 10:27:46 AM
Of course they wouldn't.  Would you?  Even I might have been sucked in.

The whole thing is a disgrace.  Have The PJ not learned anything?

And just as a matter of interest, it was bright moonlight here for all of the three nights.  Same time, give one hour, and the same hemisphere.

Are you crazy?!!!!
That was a strategic move that worked very well. It could have given a different result, but it worked. By taking pressure from whoever abducted the child they gave place for the child to be returned alive and well.

You should restrain from talking about what you don't know - there was a whole planned police operation that gave the results that were impossible with and by the McCann.

I know, different cases: here we had a live child in the latter there was a dead one.
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: Carana on January 23, 2014, 10:41:19 AM
The latest seems to be that the PJ now suspect that he was kidnapped to be sold.

Polícia suspeita de rapto de bebé para venda

Criança de 18 meses já apareceu, mas a PJ prossegue a investigação, Saiba todos os pormenores no CM.

http://www.cmjornal.xl.pt/detalhe/noticias/exclusivo-cm/policia-suspeita-de-rapto-de-bebe-para-venda
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: Eleanor on January 23, 2014, 10:41:53 AM
Are you crazy?!!!!
That was a strategic move that worked very well. It could have given a different result, but it worked. By taking pressure from whoever abducted the child they gave place for the child to be returned alive and well.

You should restrain from talking about what you don't know - there was a whole planned police operation that gave the results that were impossible with and by the McCann.

I know, different cases: here we had a live child in the latter there was a dead one.

Ah, I see.  A strategic move by The PJ.  Leave a small baby lying around in the undergrowth where he might die or drown. So don't bother to look for him.  Good thinking, Batman.  And then if he is found dead we can always blame the parents.
I can see how that might work.  For The PJ.  Tough shit for the baby.
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: Carana on January 23, 2014, 10:53:34 AM
Not a remote area. It's a place that is daily checked by public servants to make sure the water flows through those channels ("levadas") and that it is very close from where the child went missing.
Whoever took him made sure he was found within a very short period after he was left there. No signs of hypothermia although it was very low temperature. Only mild signs of dehydration that were immediately corrected at the Hospital.

The PJ are investigating the parents, close relatives and friends as the most probably implicated.

Didn't the doctor say his body temperature was 35C, or did I mishear?

http://www.publico.pt/multimedia/video/bebe-reaparece-na-madeira-2014122150162
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: Eleanor on January 23, 2014, 10:58:10 AM
Didn't the doctor say his body temperature was 35C, or did I mishear?

http://www.publico.pt/multimedia/video/bebe-reaparece-na-madeira-2014122150162

He was suffering from mild hypothermia.  But you can always rely on Luz to leave out pertinent facts if it suits her.
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: jassi on January 23, 2014, 11:32:35 AM
This would suggest that he had not been outside since his disappearance, but had been placed there shortly before he was discovered.
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: Carana on January 23, 2014, 11:49:07 AM
This would suggest that he had not been outside since his disappearance, but had been placed there shortly before he was discovered.

(Sorry, I can't get Google to translate for some reason.)
One article interviewed some forest rangers who'd been in the area looking for him and reckon he'd been placed there after they'd passed, but they don't say which day they'd passed. If the little one had fallen asleep, they could have missed him.
http://www.publico.pt/sociedade/noticia/autoridades-convictas-de-que-a-crianca-foi-colocada-no-local-onde-apareceu-1620722

But, according to this article, he's being kept in hospital for a bit longer as he has muscle pains which the doctor reckons is due to exposure to the cold.
http://www.publico.pt/sociedade/noticia/autoridades-convictas-de-que-a-crianca-foi-colocada-no-local-onde-apareceu-1620722

Google translation of the above (the first one wouldn't work).

Baby missing in Madeira will continue hospitalized
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January 23, 2014
A child of 18 months who had been missing for three days in Calheta, Madeira Island , will remain hospitalized at the Hospital of Funchal , because the analyzes carried out revealed " muscle pain," said the responsibility for the Regional Health Service

" The child will not have high today because there have been analytical changes that reveal some degree of muscle pain which we presume to be related to exposure to cold ," said Miguel Ferreira Lusa .

The doctor said that the boy " will be interned in Pediatrics at least until tomorrow [ Friday ] , because this needs to be reviewed and monitored ."

On Friday the analyzes again be repeated and if the situation " has evolved favorably , then you may have high " , yet that day or Saturday, he added .

The child disappeared on Sunday when it was a family gathering at his uncle's house , the site of the Kings Over in the upper part of the municipality of Calheta.

The child was found three days later , on the morning of Wednesday, by a levadeiro ( professional responsible for the distribution of irrigation water in Madeira) between 07:00 and 08:00 , one taken near the house where it disappeared .

The baby was transported to the Hospital of Funchal , after being seen in the health center of Calheta , with the medical team informed that he was " clinically well " .

" On the arrival [ in emergencies ] , the child was conscious, lucid , slightly cold , but had no visible lesions of mistreatment ," then told José Luis Nunes , director of paediatrics and Neonatology Hospital in Conference media .

Pediatricians found , on occasion , " puzzling " that the child has survived alone for so exposed to cold weather .

However , the coordinator of the Judicial Police in Madeira , Eduardo Nunes admitted Lusa that the last steps " could suggest " stand up " before a crime of rape* ."

The official stressed that " remain open all possibilities " , ensuring that " PJ will continue to investigate " until the case is resolved.

Lusa / SOL

* that should read kidnapping, not rape.
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: Carana on January 23, 2014, 12:01:04 PM
PJ admite crime de rapto no caso criança desaparecida durante três dias
22 | 01 | 2014   15.26H

O coordenador da Policia Judiciária na Madeira disse à Lusa que as últimas diligências efetuadas podem levar a pensar que se esteve perante um crime de rapto no caso do menino que esteve desaparecido durante três dias na Calheta.

"As últimas diligências, os últimos acontecimentos podem levar a pensar que estamos perante um crime de rapto", afirmou o responsável policial na região.

Eduardo Nunes acrescentou que "continuam em aberto todas as possibilidades. A PJ vai continuar a investigar enquanto não estiver resolvido este caso".
http://www.destak.pt/artigo/184991-pj-admite-crime-de-rapto-no-caso-crianca-desaparecida-durante-tres-dias

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PJ admits kidnapping in missing child case for three days
22 | 01 | 2014 15.26H

The coordinator of the Judicial Police in Wood told Lusa that the latest steps taken can lead to think that it was facing a kidnapping in the case of the boy who was missing for three days in Calheta.

"The latest steps, recent events may lead to think that this is a kidnapping," said the investigating officer in the region.

Eduardo Nunes added that "remain open all possibilities. PJ will continue to investigate until it is solved this case."

Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: jassi on January 23, 2014, 12:03:59 PM
I suppose that if wandering off is excluded, that only leaves kidnap.
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: Luz on January 23, 2014, 12:05:56 PM
So the parents dropped him off half way up a Levada and hoped he would drown or die from some other means?

Do you ever read what you write?  Or are you just obsessed with parents killing their children?

You are demented?

I reproduced what the  PJ coordinator stated in the news, that they were investigating the close family, friends and neighbours that were with the child when he disappeared.

If you read my posts you'd noticed I said that whoever took the child made sure nothing bad happened to him, according to what the authorities released.

Unlike the McCann, these parents didn't attempt to obstruct the finding of their son. They co-operated with the police and the result was a happy one.
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: Eleanor on January 23, 2014, 12:17:17 PM

"Made sure nothing bad would happen to him?"  Yards from a water channel?  Suffering from hypothermia and dehydration?  What are you on?
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: Carana on January 23, 2014, 12:19:21 PM
According to the doctor there were no visible signs of having been mistreated.
However, a body temperature of 35C and being kept in hospital for muscle pain presumed to be due to exposure to the cold doesn't sound like whoever dumped him near a canal necessarily had his well-being at heart.

And in 5C, rainy weather.
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: Carana on January 23, 2014, 12:34:24 PM
You are demented?

I reproduced what the  PJ coordinator stated in the news, that they were investigating the close family, friends and neighbours that were with the child when he disappeared.

If you read my posts you'd noticed I said that whoever took the child made sure nothing bad happened to him, according to what the authorities released.

Unlike the McCann, these parents didn't attempt to obstruct the finding of their son. They co-operated with the police and the result was a happy one.

That happy result seems to be more in spite of the PJ than thanks to them, seeing as they called the search off.
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: Luz on January 23, 2014, 12:50:25 PM
That happy result seems to be more in spite of the PJ than thanks to them, seeing as they called the search off.


You are a lost case.  ?>)()<
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: Carana on January 23, 2014, 01:04:46 PM
Protecção Civil rejeita responsabilidade na interrupção de buscas de criança na Madeira
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22 de Janeiro, 2014
O presidente do Serviço Regional de Proteção Civil e Bombeiros da Madeira (SRPC) recusou hoje qualquer responsabilidade na decisão de interromper as buscas da criança desaparecida domingo na Calheta, adiantando que a operação foi coordenada pelas autoridades policiais.

"A dado momento, a Polícia Judiciária assumiu a coordenação da operação e a informação de suspender as buscas surgiu da PJ", disse Luis Néri à agência Lusa.

O responsável do SRPC adiantou que, "inicialmente, quem tomou conta desta operação e pediu meios foi a PSP e só depois surgiu a PJ".

Luis Néri acrescentou que a decisão de suspender as actividades na Calheta aconteceu "depois de uma reunião no local e mediante os factores que estavam em jogo".

"A Protecção Civil apenas esteve envolvida nesta operação de busca e salvamento a pedido da PSP, chamada duas ou três horas depois de ter sido dado o alerta, junto com outros intervenientes e depois a PJ assumiu a coordenação", apontou o responsável da SRPC.

Segundo Luis Néri, depois todas as acções desenvolvidas "tiveram a ver com o que a PJ entendeu, com base no que se estava a passar".

"A decisão de suspender as buscas nunca partiu da Protecção Civil, os bombeiros só colaboraram no que foi pedido", disse este responsável.

O coordenador da PJ no Funchal, Eduardo Nunes, recusou hoje fazer qualquer comentário sobre esta situação, escusando-se também a falar cobre as críticas feitas pelo pai da criança.

Na segunda-feira, o responsável da PJ no Funchal informou que as buscas para localizar a criança de 18 meses desaparecida na tarde de domingo no Estreito da Calheta, na zona oeste da ilha, estavam "terminadas".

"As buscas foram dadas por terminadas", afirmou nesse dia Eduardo Nunes aos jornalistas, acrescentando que "todos os cenários" estavam em aberto.

Posteriormente, os pais e todas as outras pessoas que se encontravam no convívio quando a criança desapareceu, foram ouvidas nas instalações da PJ, no Funchal.

Na terça-feira, o pai da criança, Carlos Abreu Sousa, acusou a polícia de não estar a fazer "um bonito trabalho", considerando que não estava a mostra a "devida capacidade de procurar, de investigar".

A criança de 18 meses, que esteve desaparecida desde a tarde de domingo, foi encontrada esta manhã na Calheta, Madeira, está a ser observada nas Urgências do Hospital do Funchal.

O menino desapareceu quando se encontrava num encontro da família na casa do tio, localizada no sítio dos Reis Acima, na zona alta do concelho da Calheta.

Lusa/SOL

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Civil Protection rejects responsibility in stopping child searches in Madeira
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January 22, 2014
The President of the Regional Service of Civil Protection and Fire Wood ( SRPC ) today refused any responsibility for the decision to discontinue the search of missing child Sunday at Calheta , adding that the operation was coordinated by the police .

" At one point , the Judicial Police took over the coordination of the operation and information to suspend the search came up from PJ ," said Luis Neri Lusa .

The head of SRPC said that " initially , who took charge of this operation and asked media was the PSP and then came the PJ ."

Luis Neri added that the decision to suspend activities in Calheta happened " after a meeting on site by the factors at play ."

"Civil Protection only been involved in this search and rescue operation at the request of PSP called two or three hours after being given the warning , along with other actors and then took over the coordination PJ " , said the head of SRPC .

According to Luis Neri , after all actions " had to do with what PJ understood , based on what was happening ."

" The decision to suspend the search never departed from the Civil Protection, the fire department was only cooperating in order," said this charge .

The coordinator of the PJ in Funchal , Eduardo Nunes , today refused to make any comment on this situation , also speaking excusing the criticisms made by the father of the child covers .

On Monday , the head of the PJ in Funchal said the search to locate the missing 18-month on Sunday afternoon in Calheta , on the west side of the island , were " terminated " .

" The searches were completed by hand ," he said that day Eduardo Nunes told reporters , adding that " all scenarios " were open.

Subsequently , parents and all others who were living in when the child disappeared , were heard in the premises of the PJ in Funchal.

On Tuesday , the child's father , Carlos Sousa Abreu , accused the police of being not doing " a beautiful job " , considering that the show was not a " proper ability to search , investigate ."

A child of 18 months , we've been missing since Sunday afternoon , was found this morning in Calheta, Madeira , is being seen in the Emergency Hospital of Funchal .

The boy disappeared when he was a family gathering at his uncle's house , located on the site of the Kings Over in the upper part of the municipality of Calheta.

Lusa / SOL
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: Luz on January 23, 2014, 01:14:14 PM
Do you know what criminal investigation is?

It's not putting your nose on the floor like a hog and keep thrusting forward. It implies gathering information, putting up hypothesis, and acting accordingly.

In this case the PJ did that. Acted accordingly and obtained the results they expected.
Could it had gone wrong? Yes it could. There were no garanties that the abductor would keep the child alive, however, the longer he/she kept him the more danger the child would incur. That's why the PJ chose to take the pressure from the abductor to allow him/her to return the child. It worked.
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: Eleanor on January 23, 2014, 01:22:31 PM

You have to laugh.  Convince the abductor that you think the parents are responsible, and then he will give the child back.

Batshit crazy.
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: Carana on January 23, 2014, 01:24:04 PM
Do you know what criminal investigation is?

It's not putting your nose on the floor like a hog and keep thrusting forward. It implies gathering information, putting up hypothesis, and acting accordingly.

In this case the PJ did that. Acted accordingly and obtained the results they expected.
Could it had gone wrong? Yes it could. There were no garanties that the abductor would keep the child alive, however, the longer he/she kept him the more danger the child would incur. That's why the PJ chose to take the pressure from the abductor to allow him/her to return the child. It worked.

I see. Cunning plan. Since when do police forces hunting for a missing, vulnerable child suddenly stop after a day? The fact that they wanted to investigate the parents and other family members is standard practice, but so is continuing to search for a potentially live child.
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: Luz on January 23, 2014, 01:29:31 PM
I see. Cunning plan. Since when do police forces hunting for a missing, vulnerable child suddenly stop after a day? The fact that they wanted to investigate the parents and other family members is standard practice, but so is continuing to search for a potentially live child.

The investigation didn't stop, the searching apparatus did. And especially the MEDIA was put out of there.
I know that you haven't understood yet that PJ does criminal investigation, the other forces, like GNR and /or PSP are the ones involved in the searches. The fact that GNR stopped being in the terrain didn't mean the criminal investigation didn't continue, even because there was not a 100% assurance that the traced strategy would give the result it did.

And I can see that you understand very little about strategic police work.
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: Carana on January 23, 2014, 01:39:17 PM
The investigation didn't stop, the searching apparatus did. And especially the MEDIA was put out of there.
I know that you haven't understood yet that PJ does criminal investigation, the other forces, like GNR and /or PSP are the ones involved in the searches. The fact that GNR stopped being in the terrain didn't mean the criminal investigation didn't continue, even because there was not a 100% assurance that the traced strategy would give the result it did.

And I can see that you understand very little about strategic police work.


I'm sure other police forces around the world would be fascinated to learn more about such missing child strategies...
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: Luz on January 23, 2014, 01:42:06 PM
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My time is too precious to waste on people that do not deserve it.
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: AnneGuedes on January 23, 2014, 01:49:35 PM

I'm sure other police forces around the world would be fascinated to learn more about such missing child strategies...
Then usefully inform them !
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: AnneGuedes on January 23, 2014, 02:03:29 PM
Maybe he needed to find himself a spokesperson >@@(*&)
?{)(**
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: Carana on January 23, 2014, 02:22:25 PM
Then usefully inform them !

Nah. I'll leave the honour to Luz.
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: AnneGuedes on January 23, 2014, 02:32:20 PM
Nah. I'll leave the honour to Luz.
Is that too much work for you ?
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: Carana on January 23, 2014, 02:33:26 PM
I suppose that if wandering off is excluded, that only leaves kidnap.

I'm in two minds at the moment as to whether he could have wandered off and got lost or not. According to one of the articles I've posted, he was found 20m from a footpath leading towards the uncle's house. What would seem odd is that no one seems to have heard him yelling for his mum in what seems to be a rural area. But if he'd gone running off after a puppy or something, he might have been quite far before anyone noticed he was missing.

Against that is the - so far - wildly varying reports of how far away he was actually found. I've read 1km/2km/3km. If he was only 1 km away, I suppose it's feasible, 3km would seem hugely unlikely. There's also the question of whether or not the little tot could have survived all that time in cold, rainy weather. There's also the fact that the forest rangers apparently checked the area at some point, but if he'd fallen asleep and wasn't visible, they could easily have missed him, particularly if they didn't have much experience in looking for missing toddlers.
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: Carana on January 23, 2014, 02:45:43 PM
Is that too much work for you ?

I really can't see myself explaining to Interpol that the best strategy to find a potentially living child in cold, rainy weather is to call off the search less than a day later, while they interrogate the parents, tell the newspapers that they suspect the parents/family in the hope that a potential abductor will dump the child who will hopefully be screaming its head off when a couple of levadeiros happen to be walking by.

I expect that Luz could explain that cunning strategy far better than I could.
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: Eleanor on January 25, 2014, 05:35:37 PM
Could I ask why Luz hasn't been laughed off The Forum?

The PJ left that child to freeze or drown, in the hope that they might catch his abductor, while setting up a case against his parents.?
This is such a disgrace that beggars belief.
And God help his parents  if he had been found dead.  Luz would have had them nailed to the wall.
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: Lyall on January 25, 2014, 06:03:28 PM
Could I ask why Luz hasn't been laughed off The Forum?

The PJ left that child to freeze or drown, in the hope that they might catch his abductor, while setting up a case against his parents.?
This is such a disgrace that beggars belief.
And God help his parents  if he had been found dead.  Luz would have had them nailed to the wall.

You guys have had so much advice for the world's police forces since 2007 by now you could have compiled a ground breaking, internationally recognised training manual ?{)(**
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: Eleanor on January 25, 2014, 06:42:28 PM
You guys have had so much advice for the world's police forces since 2007 by now you could have compiled a ground breaking, internationally recognised training manual ?{)(**

You mean that The PJ need that much help?  Oh Dear.  Okay.  Let's start with the fact that the parents aren't always culpable.  Never could it have been so proven without this last debacle.
God is good.  And so is Karma.  Tick bleeding Tock.
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: Carana on January 25, 2014, 08:46:05 PM
You guys have had so much advice for the world's police forces since 2007 by now you could have compiled a ground breaking, internationally recognised training manual ?{)(**

The PJ may well be cash-strapped, but there are quite a few resources online (even for the general public). What is the purpose of regional international police conferences if not to share best practice, lessons learned and future orientations?
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: John on January 28, 2014, 09:40:11 AM
Baby Daniel discharged from hospital in Funchal.

The boy of 18 months who had been missing for three days in Calheta, Madeira, will be discharged on Monday, told Lusa the president of the Regional Health Service

 'The child will be discharged today, "said Miguel Ferreira, ensuring that Daniel is" clinically well ".

 The doctor said that the hospital 'communicated this decision to the authorities, in this case the Judicial Police, who raised no objection or limitation on the output of the child'.

(http://i.imgur.com/J4wDIOY.jpg?1)

(http://i.imgur.com/z6TmPKF.jpg)

Daniel arrives home in the arms of his aunt.


Daniel disappeared on the afternoon of Sunday, January 19, for a family life, the home of the sponsors, the site of the Kings Above Calheta in the upper part of the municipality of Calheta.

 Was found three days later, on the morning of Wednesday, by a levadeiro (professional responsible for the distribution of irrigation water in Madeira), taken in a nearby home where it disappeared.

 He was then transported to the Hospital of Funchal, and doctors considered it was "clinically well", giving only 'signs of cold. "

 The boy was hospitalized and, the next day, the clinical analyzes' showed some degree of muscle pain ", so the doctor decided to equip prolong hospitalization.

 The Judiciary Police coordinator in Madeira, Eduardo Nunes, admitted at the time, following the steps taken if being-towards a 'kidnapping'.

 The PJ continues to investigate the case.


www.tvi24.iol.pt/503/sociedade/daniel-madeira-daniel-madeira-bebe-desaparecido-tvi24/1531992-4071.html

Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: John on January 28, 2014, 10:00:01 AM
It has also been disclosed that the family of Daniel has been promised €15,000 in help from the Governor of Madeira.

www.cmtv.sapo.pt/detalhe.aspx?channelID=34F5E1B7-BABF-4C08-83FC-20AF9E097CDA&contentID=86D7BA50-D897-4CA8-BC85-3B307D2EFDDA
Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: John on January 28, 2014, 10:22:24 AM
"I've got what I want most at home," says mother of little Daniel.

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The family of the18 month old child who was missing for three days in Calheta in Madeira Island, said, on Monday, to be satisfied with his homecoming.

 "Right now I've got what I most want at home is Daniel," said the mother of Daniel, Lydia Freitas, when he arrived at his house at number 133 of the Loin of Orange Road, in the upper parish of Calheta .

 The mother, accompanied by Aunt Katie, arrived this Monday, at the in-laws house, who live with the boy who was immediately taken from the car and carried, wrapped in a blanket, into the house.

 "Daniel is well thanks to God, thanking you [media] that [we] given some privacy because Daniel at this time, wants to be near family," she said.

 Also grandfather, Augustine Abreu said the boy at home "is happier" at home.

 Grandmother, Rosa Sousa, also expressed her satisfaction saying she was "happy that the nightmare is over."


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Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: drummer on January 28, 2014, 11:32:00 AM
A PSP officer is in hot water for posing for photographs with ‘missing’ Madeira baby Daniel Abreu moments after the little boy was found. The policeman then apparently tried to sell the shots to the media. The photos showed him smiling into the camera in full uniform holding a confused Daniel in his arms. The PSP’s regional command has now opened an investigation into the unorthodox behaviour. Diário de Notícias claims it could constitute a “serious disciplinary infraction” as it “exposed the minor to illicit photography”. The paper went on to say that the officer, who works locally in Calheta, vowed that the money he made would all be going to the family. The photos eventually appeared in the Tribuna de Madeira weekly newspaper, under the headline: “A happy ending enveloped in mystery”, and mystery indeed remains the order of the day. Daniel has finally been released from hospital where he had been undergoing tests, and newspapers now say the Madeira government will be offering the little boy’s hard-up family €15,000 to repair their home. It’s a promise that has been met with incredulity from Daniel’s grandfather who told Correio da Manhã that people had known of their problems “for years” and never offered help of any kind. “We will just hope it isn’t another promise that nobody keeps,” said Agostinho Abreu. Meantime, Polícia Judiciária detectives have reportedly “identified” the person suspected of having snatched Daniel from his family, but as yet no further details have been released. Daniel Abreu, 18 months old, was reported missing by his family on January 19. He was found three days later near an irrigation canal, a couple of kilometres from where he disappeared.


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Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: Mr Moderator on June 23, 2014, 10:06:40 AM
Guardianship of the children of Lydia Vieira will be decided by the Court of Funchal

Sunday, June 22 2014

The regional director of Social Security, Bernadette Vieira said Monday that the Court will decide who gets guardianship of minors, Mariana and Daniel, sons of Lydia Vieira, who is detained at the Prison of Funchal.

Daniel's mother, the boy who has been missing for three days in January in Calheta, gave Saturday night entry into the prison of the barrier, being suspected of involvement in the case, said the source of the Judicial Police.

"She was arrested, defendant was composed and conducted the Prison Cancela and back on Monday to be heard by the investigating judge," said the same source tonight.

"Right now the situation is a crime which is the Court who will decide what to do about the guardianship of minor children and Social Security will meet what the court decides, a situation that is now beyond the services of Social Security", Lusa said Bernadette Vieira.

"We have to await the court's decision," he added.

The boy's mother 18 months, along with the child's father and another individual - unidentified - gave evidence early Saturday at the site of PJ in Funchal for about seven hours, being suspected of having "staged" the disappearance of son.

The arrest of Daniel's mother comes after disagreements with the child's father, following which led to accusations that PJ to make several steps, including interrogations, which began Friday were made.

Daniel, a boy of 18 months, has been missing since the afternoon January 19, when it was a family gathering at his uncle's house, located on the site of the Kings Over in the upper part of the municipality of Calheta, eventually be found three days later by a professional responsible for the distribution of irrigation water in Madeira between 07:00 and 08:00 in the woods.

When found, the child showed signs of cold, but according to the pediatrician noted that the Hospital of Funchal, was "clinically well".

At the time, the doctor found "puzzling" that the baby was able to survive alone in the open for three days and nights in the highlands of Calheta.

After prompting the child's disappearance has triggered a search operation to find the boy, but at the end of the next morning, the coordinator of the PJ in Funchal gave a "finished" searches without the child had been found.

The arrest of Daniel's mother happens after six months of his disappearance.

Digital Diary with Lusa


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Title: Re: Baby boy missing on the island of Madeira found safe and well.
Post by: Eleanor on June 23, 2014, 10:16:11 AM

It might be a good idea to tread warily in this case.  But at least she is hardly likely to appear anywhere covered in bruises.

So some advances have been made.  At least I do hope so.