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Re: Who Confessed to the Murder?
« Reply #315 on: May 16, 2021, 09:45:21 PM »
Shane wasn’t the ‘dog Walker’ in the house though was he?

Why ‘Shane’s torch’ ?

Wasn’t there a family torch?

What did Corrine use when she took Mia out for a walk when it was dark? Didn’t she have her own torch?

Shane is a bit of a mystery, isn't he?  We know very little about him. Did he never walk the dog?

I'd love to know more about how he got along with Luke.

Perhaps Corinne walked the dog around the streets, and wouldn't have needed a torch. Luke was going down the secluded path that night-----perhaps that wasn't where he normally walked the dog in the dark evenings.

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Re: Who Confessed to the Murder?
« Reply #316 on: May 24, 2021, 01:55:44 PM »
Will post some of Jigsawman later: That lie? blatant of having no other user names out with Angeline, Sandra L and so forth.

‘Sand87’ https://forum.casebook.org/forum/social-chat/other-mysteries/6551-murder-of-jodie-jones/page2

Isn’t Sandra Lean

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Re: Who Confessed to the Murder?
« Reply #317 on: May 24, 2021, 06:00:47 PM »
‘Sand87’ https://forum.casebook.org/forum/social-chat/other-mysteries/6551-murder-of-jodie-jones/page2

Isn’t Sandra Lean

No, I don't think Sands87 is Sandra Lean either.

But, why all this fuss about Sandra Lean using other names?  We use them.

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Re: Who Confessed to the Murder?
« Reply #318 on: May 24, 2021, 06:28:12 PM »
No, I don't think Sands87 is Sandra Lean either.

But, why all this fuss about Sandra Lean using other names?  We use them.

There are several reasons....

She also refers to them in her ‘thesis” ⬇️

Excerpt from P.270-271 ‘Hidden in Plain View’ by Sandra Lean

Internet campaigns
‘The steady increase in internet campaigns, although creating an outlet for information which is largely ignored or dismissed by the mainstream print and broadcast media, is orchestrated by individuals who have little or no experience of creating and guiding a large media presence, or how to maintain and increase interest once a case has begun to draw attention. An apparently successful campaign for one high profile case in 2009/2010, which drew several hundred supporters, collapsed amidst a very public, bitter and acrimonious dispute between various contributors.89 There were several consequences, including some contributors and supporters withdrawing from internet advocacy, others withdrawing from some campaigns whilst supporting others, and the creation of a general rift in what had, prior to that, been an encouraging and cohesive group. Anonymous and malicious posting, and posters using multiple online identities, have been an ongoing difficulty for online campaigns (and campaigners), with smear tactics and dishonesty being used to discredit individuals and cases, sometimes spilling over into physical threats and arrests90.
Restrictions in Scotland introduce an added difficulty for individuals wishing to run internet campaigns, as it is an offence to make public many documents used in trials or court proceedings,91 something which is a central part of internet campaigns both in England and in the USA. The ability to make available publicly actual copies of documents used in investigative and trial proceedings is considered to be a strong factor in convincing members of the public that a conviction is wrongful, but in Scotland, the inability to do so leaves open accusations that supporters of wrongly accused/convicted persons cannot “prove‟ that their claims have any basis in truth or fact, and those supporters and campaigners have no way of effectively responding to such accusations.

89 This campaign was beset with difficulties introduced by control issues, contributors who were ignorant of the actual legal processes involved, defensiveness, a tendency for contributors to interpret criticisms and suggestions as personal attacks, and the recurring difficulties of malicious and disingenuous contributors posting under numerous false identities.

90 In the course of this study, four people were arrested for online harassment and intimidation, direct physical threats were made to at least three individuals, including death threats, photographs of individuals‟ homes and family members were posted online, and personal addresses and phone numbers were released. Police in England acted on complaints of online harassment and intimidation, whereas Scottish police refused repeatedly to do so.

91 In Scotland, where case papers are deemed to belong to the solicitor, the solicitor is prohibited from disclosing information to „third parties‟ – for example, statements and expert reports in cases in England and Wales have been incorporated into campaign websites, but this would be an offence in Scotland.

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Re: Who Confessed to the Murder?
« Reply #319 on: October 08, 2021, 06:27:01 PM »
Following Simon Halls confession a Steve Sinclair made a comment at the bottom of Professor Julie Price’s Justice Gap article - “A time to take stock” which has recently been removed from the WWW after my communication with Jon Robbins.

On 24th Feb 2014 Steve Sinclair stated:
Now that Simon Hall has apparently taken his own life it is perhaps pertinent to view his “confession” in this new light. I am sure that some will say that his suicide is a certain sign of his anguish over his guilt. I say that, on the contrary, his death may have been through pure despair.
That despair most likely stemmed from the failure of his final appeal.Where was he to go from there? No more new evidence to rely on…the end of the road.
His confession was more than likely sparked by the inevitable realisation that those who are deemed IDOM are unlikely to ever be considered for parole. I don’t need to spell out the treatment IDOM prisoners face compared to those who realise their guilty status and play the game to prepare them for release.
I am not concerned by the kerfuffle over his so called confession. The bald facts of the case are that the conviction of Simon Hall was a miscarriage of justice. There was and still isn’t any evidence on which he should have been convicted.


Not sure if this is the same Steve Sinclair http://www.free-david-ferguson.org.uk/index.php ?

However, the fact Sandra Lean has yet to publicly admit to having been conned by Simon Hall, and indeed by those people she spoke with in order to put together the chapter in her book “No Smoke” should be a red flag for people like Corrine Mitchell and Steve Sinclair.

“I am not concerned by the kerfuffle over his so called confession?” The “kerfuffle” is exactly what people like Steve Sinclair should have been concerned with.

The bald facts of the case are that the conviction of Simon Hall was a miscarriage of justice.” What “bald facts” does he refer to, a version of the “bald facts” presented by Sandra Lean in her book “No Smoke?”

Given Sandra Leans judgement and indeed behaviour following Simon Halls confession I would advise everyone to err on the side of caution regarding any alleged confession in the Luke Mitchell case. Plus it’s more than likely imo Corrine Mitchell will only hear what she wants to hear.

Have a read of [2021] EWCA Crim 1404 - para 18

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http://www.free-david-ferguson.org.uk/links.php

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http://www.prisonersmaintaininginnocence.org.uk/cases-and-reports/

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https://www.kentonline.co.uk/medway/news/brutal-killer-marries-in-prison-42573/
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Re: Who Confessed to the Murder?
« Reply #320 on: December 21, 2021, 03:41:53 PM »
There are several reasons....

She also refers to them in her ‘thesis” ⬇️

Excerpt from P.270-271 ‘Hidden in Plain View’ by Sandra Lean

Internet campaigns
‘The steady increase in internet campaigns, although creating an outlet for information which is largely ignored or dismissed by the mainstream print and broadcast media, is orchestrated by individuals who have little or no experience of creating and guiding a large media presence, or how to maintain and increase interest once a case has begun to draw attention. An apparently successful campaign for one high profile case in 2009/2010, which drew several hundred supporters, collapsed amidst a very public, bitter and acrimonious dispute between various contributors.89 There were several consequences, including some contributors and supporters withdrawing from internet advocacy, others withdrawing from some campaigns whilst supporting others, and the creation of a general rift in what had, prior to that, been an encouraging and cohesive group. Anonymous and malicious posting, and posters using multiple online identities, have been an ongoing difficulty for online campaigns (and campaigners), with smear tactics and dishonesty being used to discredit individuals and cases, sometimes spilling over into physical threats and arrests90.
Restrictions in Scotland introduce an added difficulty for individuals wishing to run internet campaigns, as it is an offence to make public many documents used in trials or court proceedings,91 something which is a central part of internet campaigns both in England and in the USA. The ability to make available publicly actual copies of documents used in investigative and trial proceedings is considered to be a strong factor in convincing members of the public that a conviction is wrongful, but in Scotland, the inability to do so leaves open accusations that supporters of wrongly accused/convicted persons cannot “prove‟ that their claims have any basis in truth or fact, and those supporters and campaigners have no way of effectively responding to such accusations.

89 This campaign was beset with difficulties introduced by control issues, contributors who were ignorant of the actual legal processes involved, defensiveness, a tendency for contributors to interpret criticisms and suggestions as personal attacks, and the recurring difficulties of malicious and disingenuous contributors posting under numerous false identities.

90 In the course of this study, four people were arrested for online harassment and intimidation, direct physical threats were made to at least three individuals, including death threats, photographs of individuals‟ homes and family members were posted online, and personal addresses and phone numbers were released. Police in England acted on complaints of online harassment and intimidation, whereas Scottish police refused repeatedly to do so.

91 In Scotland, where case papers are deemed to belong to the solicitor, the solicitor is prohibited from disclosing information to „third parties‟ – for example, statements and expert reports in cases in England and Wales have been incorporated into campaign websites, but this would be an offence in Scotland.

What Sandra Lean omits from the above is some of the anonymous posters were Killer Simon Halls brother Shaun, who also used ‘multiple identities’ and Shaun Hall, Stephanie Bon AND Sandra Lean used ‘smear tactics’ - of which there is a wealth of evidence of - to use to dishonestly discredit individuals and cases

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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2021/12/19/wrongful-convictions-miscarriages-of-justice-innocence-fraud-whats-the-difference/
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Re: Who Confessed to the Murder?
« Reply #321 on: December 21, 2021, 05:19:39 PM »
What Sandra Lean omits from the above is some of the anonymous posters were Killer Simon Halls brother Shaun, who also used ‘multiple identities’ and Shaun Hall, Stephanie Bon AND Sandra Lean used ‘smear tactics’ - of which there is a wealth of evidence of - to use to dishonestly discredit individuals and cases

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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2021/12/19/wrongful-convictions-miscarriages-of-justice-innocence-fraud-whats-the-difference/

Sandra Lean has duped so many people, who have no idea what she’s *really* been up to for all these years

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http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=12082.msg656745#msg656745

"I refer to your recent communications with me, your posts on the Bamber forum, and our previous exchanges.

While I appreciate that fighting a MOJ is an uphill struggle, and a steep learning curve, there are some "mistakes" which cannot be explained as ignorance, enthusiastic but misguided belief, or any of the other well trodden routes most people take on their journey towards justice.

I personally believe that your recent online behaviour, the way you handled Simon's confession to the other burglary, and the consequent attacks of Shaun and Stephanie Bon have all been detrimental to public support for Simon. The letter, supposedly from Simon, was a disgraceful slap in the face to many, many people who have tried to help Simon over the years.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8086.msg384705.html#msg384705

Stephanie also thinks No Smoke should have been withdrawn or revised. I understand Stephanie’s right to feel that way. While she is also entitled to ask questions, I am under no obligation to answer them. However, on this occasion, I choose to address a couple of matters raised by Stephanie for the benefit of others who may be interested.
I spoke with many people (including others whose cases were mentioned or discussed) about the question of withdrawing the book. Not one of them wanted the book withdrawn. There were discussions about possible revisions which would, of necessity, have taken a great deal of time and effort - time and effort that I was not capable of devoting to the matter at that time.
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8086.msg382961.html#msg382961

I don’t understand her reasoning?

Wouldn’t basic logic suggest going direct to the source?

She goes on:
We will never know if Simon Hall’s confession was genuine, or the confused utterings of a crumbling sanity. The decision about whether to take up, or continue to carry, the baton for claimed Miscarriages of Justice is a matter for the person deciding to do so, and their own conscience.” You see, to this day, we have only Stephanie’s word about the circumstances leading up to the confession, .......

For anyone who doesn’t know about killer Simon Hall’s innocence fraud, which was aided by people like Stephanie Bon and his older brother Shaun Hall (referred to by Sandra Lean above) and Sandra Lean in her book ‘No Smoke’

Here are a few facts Sandra Lean won’t tell anyone ⬇️

http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/the-truth-behind-killer-simon-hall-and-his-enablers-innocence-fraud-phenomenon-scam-%ef%b8%8f/

And without doubt she is behaving the same way in relation to killer Luke Mitchell’s innocence fraud

Sandra Lean and her behaviour will feature in a forthcoming Blog due to be published in the New Year
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Re: Who Confessed to the Murder?
« Reply #322 on: December 21, 2021, 05:36:45 PM »
Shane is a bit of a mystery, isn't he?  We know very little about him. Did he never walk the dog?

I'd love to know more about how he got along with Luke.

Perhaps Corinne walked the dog around the streets, and wouldn't have needed a torch. Luke was going down the secluded path that night-----perhaps that wasn't where he normally walked the dog in the dark evenings.

Shane has taken a back seat for a reason, similar to what Phil Hall did
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Re: Who Confessed to the Murder?
« Reply #323 on: December 21, 2021, 08:01:51 PM »
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Re: Who Confessed to the Murder?
« Reply #324 on: December 22, 2021, 01:45:58 PM »
‘Analysing Chris Watts and Cindy Watts on the phone’

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YD5P7xVS0rU

I don’t think Corrine Mitchell mentioned the bottles of urine found in Luke’s bedroom during the James English podcast - though found her comments on JF & the ‘condom’ interesting

Corrine Mitchell on JF:
He must have been the kind of person who got off on seeing a dead body - he must have seen her where he was - he must of. But why use a condom for masturbating

Wonder what Luke made of the hedgehog story told by Corrine?

We still have not been told by Corrine Mitchell, or Sandra Lean, whether the alleged hedgehog (The one Corinne spoke to James English about) died on killer Luke Mitchell’s watch or Corinne’s ?

What is it with killers, animals and their mothers?  *&^^&

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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2021/12/19/wrongful-convictions-miscarriages-of-justice-innocence-fraud-whats-the-difference/
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Re: Who Confessed to the Murder?
« Reply #325 on: December 22, 2021, 02:27:39 PM »
Corrine Mitchell on JF:
He must have been the kind of person who got off on seeing a dead body - he must have seen her where he was - he must of. But why use a condom for masturbating


Corrine Mitchell was in reality referring to her killer son Luke
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Who Confessed to the Murder?
« Reply #326 on: December 22, 2021, 02:29:49 PM »
Corrine Mitchell on JF:
He must have been the kind of person who got off on seeing a dead body - he must have seen her where he was - he must of. But why use a condom for masturbating

Why use bottles to pee in when there’s a bathroom near by?
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Offline Rusty

Re: Who Confessed to the Murder?
« Reply #327 on: January 25, 2022, 12:11:15 AM »
Sandra Lean and her behaviour will feature in a forthcoming Blog due to be published in the New Year

When is part 2 due?

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Re: Who Confessed to the Murder?
« Reply #328 on: January 25, 2022, 12:11:49 PM »
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Re: Who Confessed to the Murder?
« Reply #329 on: January 27, 2022, 11:16:19 AM »
When is part 2 due?

Do you know anything about this chap https://www.crownservices.org.uk/0ur-staff Rusty?

Peter Jackson, the private detective involved with the Stefan Kiszko case, was said to be ‘a former Royal Air Force police officer

Would you say this is a different fraudster https://thewaltercumpershunterclub.wordpress.com/2022/01/20/peter-jackson-the-walter-mitty-of-otley/ or one and the same?
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